Gerald Horne: Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the USA

Former UCSB professor Gerald Horne, the award-winning author of more than thirty books, discusses his book “The Counter-Revolution of 1776” which argues that for the country's forefathers, "freedom" meant the right to keep others enslaved-and that the consequences of this definition continue into the present in the form of a racialized conservatism and a persistent racism targeting the descendants of the enslaved. [4/2015] [Show ID: 28602]
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[@johnstevenson9072]

I am ashamed to say that I have only discovered this walking historical encyclopaedia this evening. He is simply brilliant and riveting to listen to.

[@felixdacat6572]

Strength and Honor to you Dr. Horne...You are a true river to our peoples and the world.

[@grantjoh2931]

Gerald Horne is a genius. Thank God for his insights in this critical moment.

[@omalone1169]

4:20 where is the skit / sketch

[@lookingfortruth1930]

Do not call upon God, knowing that these kinda people (marxists) do not believe in God.

[@khalidnamar8723]

The world genius, just like the word brilliant has lost all meaning.

[@lookingfortruth1930]

@@khalidnamar8723 The dumbing down education in the US was done intentionally. This will be the last generation

[@khalidnamar8723]

@@lookingfortruth1930 you are correct.

[@SithLordPrince]

Dr. Gerald Horne, a mind like fire and a heart of gold. True warrior scholar. We don't deserve this guy.

[@DigiologyStudios]

Well said. We Don'T! BUT Humanity DOES!

[@joetoe9947]

… yes we do… just like ALL THE OTHER BLACK HEROES who arrived before he did… we “deserve” them ALL!…

[@judithgrace9850]

Not afraid, for God is in charge People are leaving the deadly and expensive USA. We must love 💕😘 one another, and stop destroying each other. We must eliminate sellouts and evil demons who are destroying us. I left the USA at 79,due to it being deadly and expensive. I did not want to be eliminated, until God calls me.nor did I want to eliminaste anyone trying to get into my home, which I had heavily blocked in all rooms and the a/c. And I was ready to give out a dirt nap in and out of my home. I am the nicest lady, but I always have some thing to defend myself in or out of my home.All knives are removed from .my kitchen, and only I know where the weapons of mass destruction are located, I left two marriages. When there were deal breakers and friends with both husbands. I had one daughter after 10 years of marriage , and I did my best with God to teach her to be moral, honest, and treat everyone the way she wanted to be treated. I sugar coated nothing from her early age. Greetings from cool Querétaro God knows the truth Send these killers to.war zones. God knows best. I just moved to a safe,Warm,, and less expensive country at 79. I paid to have my apartment emptied,,, and I rented a beautifully furnished apartment, that included all utilities, maid, security, groceries delivery and laundry. God is in charge, and he told me to leave the USA for Querétaro at 79. Scare tactics do not work with me, for everyone dies, rich or poor etc. God is in charge. You kill bodies, but release souls.. Do not kill unless self defense Solutions: Keep your people in their own country and put the military on all borders to keep them out. Send all criminals to war zones. Traitors. Inside traders, ay for play kickbacks are criminals also I prepped for 6 months, and gave away preps when I left the USA for Querétaro,and I have my 6 months back from home delivery. USA is too deadly and expensive. $100k should be direct deposited in USA bank accounts age 18 and up tax free. I left the USA at 79 for Querétaro. Direct deposit of 100K to all USA citizens, so you can move where you can afford and it is safe Thank you. I left the USA at 79. $100k to all citizens 18 on up tax free.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

The far right think we don't deserve him, or Angela Davis or Eugene V Debs etc etc. Our challenge is to grow the coalition needed to institutionalize norms based on the truths he reveals.

[@kennytheclown3859]

You right too!

[@mhakus]

I'm so glad I listened to this, I read the book, and I'm going to read it again.

[@davidchunkyonion]

Gerald Horne is a national treasure.

[@kennytheclown3859]

True.

[@happygucci5094]

Global treasure. His concern is GLOBAL.

[@juanitaesperaranza8364]

I'm dumbfounded. I learned so much new information listening to this lecture. I'm downloading it so I can really grasp the full spectrum of Dr. Horne's narrative and instruction.

[@jrshield7793]

I hear you. The magic number for me was 7. After 7 times listening carefully through (and pausing here and there to listen to some of Dr. Horne's other lectures on the subject matter, finally, I think I mostly understand what he's talking about. Thanks to all the years, Dr. Horne dedicated to research to discover this wonderful information and most importantly, making the critical connections that he does, people like me and you, and are smarter and better understand out past (and present). Americans particularly can greatly benefit too by beginning to detach the myth that has been assiduously crafted (through the media, Hollywood, and through teaching in "schools") in the United States which makes it appear as though the United States entire existence is the result of a wonderful human experiment born of mutual cooperation and democracy, rather then the reality, that is rise was the result of the systematic liquidation and genocide of a 100 million inhabitants with sophisticated cultures and the capturing, shackeling and dragging millions of human beings from Africa and across the ocean, where, (if they survived the horrible journey) were sold into slavery and forced to work for free, under the lash as free labor (and bred) which helped to produce eye watering profits for the enslaving class who were able to built a country.

[@Ash-iy3xc]

Same

[@happygucci5094]

He is beyond brilliant-the sheer scope and depth of his knowledge is matched by his LOVE of humanity. Genius- and that is not hyperbole.

[@Kujengaashe]

Excellent research and a correct interpretation of history! Praise TMH for this man.

[@DigiologyStudios]

Great video, Gerald Horne suggest the immense profits in the slave trade voyages was a seventeen to one investment, astronomical. This man uncovers facts that no one would utter without affirmation.

[@davidprior854]

Finished this book the other day and was excited to find this lecture on youtube. It's a very compelling read, I highly recommend it.

[@JoeBidenator1564]

I wish Americans would get this through there ignorant thick skull's.

[@juniorwizzard4923]

l am especially honoured to have discovered Dr. Horne and his extraordinary work to tell the story of the Black experience in the context of history in the Americas.

[@highrzr]

So many things I didn't know. What a great presentation and perspective.

[@walterhunter3353]

I live in Texas but I’m from Arkansas originally were there still a lot of discrimination and racism. But I always buy informative books in bulk and take them to that small town and give them out and I’m out to the local schools and the University

[@Geekella]

This is a good idea

[@Bonzi_Buddy]

Move to beautiful West Memphis in Arkansas, clown.

[@electricianindustrial1904]

Hayti 1804🇭🇹 Justice ⚖️ for Black people. Justice ⚖️ Pour Peuple Haitien 2023 Revolution ⚖️ Reparations to Haiti.

[@makeHimknown3]

This is SO good. Well done sir

[@manmohanmehta5697]

He is a great scholar. Very lucid and objective historian.

[@timothytoa345]

Brilliant explanation and legend of History.

[@harryd5893]

Enlightening!

[@stevenjohnson1927]

AWESOME !! Very Informative !! After analysing the presentation , I love how the facts were presented in a very simple way for my comprehension . Kindly accept my gratitude.

[@fthechance]

Your low IQ makes you very easy to manipulate... Go play the victim, it's what you are good at.

[@hueykhalidX]

@chance - STFU, clown!

[@omalone1169]

49:00 please I dont get Kenya and Jamaica reference

[@allanluis3696]

@@omalone1169 Barack Obama and Kamala Harris, respectively.

[@jsamc8420]

Who ever profited the most from slavery should pay up. Use the money to start a non commercial Cable network connecting people of African decent all over the world.

[@JoeBidenator1564]

It would be wealthy business men, aka coorporations.

[@cattycorner8]

Major Mazzaroth The people in North and South America who profited are long time dead. North America , specifically United States has been paying reparations in the form of social programs such as food stamps and housing and all other similar programs since the early 1960's.

[@pattayaesl7128]

@@cattycorner8 Lame AF .We are coming for you.

[@allanluis3696]

@@cattycorner8 majority of the payments go to whites lol. It is impossible for those programs to be deemed reparations to descendants of slaves when the white population benefits the most from it. Same as minority quotas, it benefits mostly white women who count as a "minority", even though they benefited from the racist oppression in the USA against Black slaves/peoples more than any other group outside of their undoubtedly white husbands/co-conspirators; the never-ending trick bags of the Europeans.

[@trangwuong7689]

Thank you.

[@purpshiso]

fantastic lecture. also, nice use of visual metaphor with the band-aid

[@malicktchakpedeou9989]

Can you please explain the band-aid metaphor you're referring to ?

[@nickhomyak6128]

Love the absolute proper apology to the present innocent ; but unto the historical legacy and continuum of what actually happened, in the rise of capital against nature and man..Love ya Professor Horne..Never considered thyself white; but Slavic..

[@ervinb6696]

Truth be told keep it up brother!!

[@greedyfirstalgorithmlast26]

The Spanish Armada campaign of 1588 changed the course of European history. If the Duke of Parma’s 27,000 strong invasion force had safely crossed the narrow seas from Flanders, the survival of Elizabeth I’s government and Protestant England would have looked doubtful indeed. If those battle-hardened Spanish troops had landed, as planned, near Margate on the Kent coast, it is likely that they would have been in the poorly defended streets of London within a week and the queen and her ministers captured or killed. England would have reverted to the Catholic faith and there may have not been a British Empire to come. It was bad luck, bad tactics and bad weather that defeated the Spanish Armada-not the derring-do displayed on the high seas by Elizabeth’s intrepid sea dogs. But it was a near run thing. Because of Elizabeth’s parsimony, driven by an embarrassingly empty exchequer, the English ships were starved of gunpowder and ammunition and so failed to land a killer blow on the ‘Great and Most Fortunate Navy’ during nine days of skirmishing up the English Channel in July-August 1588. Only six Spanish ships out of the 129 that sailed against England were destroyed as a direct result of naval combat. A minimum of fifty Armada ships (probably as many as sixty-four) were lost through accident or during the Atlantic storms that scattered the fleet en route to England and as it limped, badly battered, back to northern Spain. More than 13,500 sailors and soldiers did not come home- the vast majority victims not of English cannon fire, but of lack of food and water, virulent disease and incompetent organisation.

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

Well there you go! It was God's providence that saved Merry olde England.

[@cliffgaither]

Yohann Last :: Thank you for that informative history lesson.

[@Rickelsonnih]

Excellent exposition and argumentation. Enjoyed the narrative.

[@chrisjones2224]

Now don't stop short of the what if scenario, and tell of what the Spanish Empire would gave done, free from 'interference' in not just South, but North America

[@Spartacus_Clips]

Great lecture

[@omalone1169]

53:00 where is this critical voice from/of Australia

[@andrewalker4457]

Excellent 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@electricianindustrial1904]

Hayti 1804🇭🇹 Justice ⚖️ for Black people. Justice ⚖️ Pour Peuple Haitien 2023 Revolution ⚖️ Reparations to Haiti.

[@timbuk2.019]

Ooowweee he's good excellence he articulated & sumerized the history so well and put the facts objectively in perspective

[@edoedo8686]

Wow....brilliant.

[@Kentrosauruses]

9:15 Dr Horne starts

[@jeanmonicawilliams-smith7827]

Pray 🙏

[@RobertMcKayPoetry]

So the 1400% profit figure he quotes must be like a return on capital figure of some kind, right? Amazing.

[@patricianatividad8451]

& I am a caregiver

[@hectorrodriguez2686]

I was raised un Puerto Rico. I want to echo what he said about the French, Dutch and English run away slaves who managed to reach Spanish territories. If they agree to convert and to join a military company for self defense the king would in exchange grant them besides their freedom his protection as his subjects. This was an open secret among the Africans slaves in the Non Spanish Caribbean. I also remember an account from my history class of companies of such freed slaves repulsing French and others raids with nothing else but edged weapons. They were a valuable military self defense force to the Spanish.

[@feonjun]

This man is a great speaker, explain and presenting this argument for the common man to understand and without arrogant. I can't say the same for Thomas Sowell regarding African American history. So, the Africans were not low IQ as the White Nationalists in the 19t, 20th and 21st century would like us to believed.

[@Playthellgb42]

THAT'S BECAUSE UNCLE THOMAS SOWELL IS A POMPOUS ASSHOLE!!!

[@cattycorner8]

Feon Jun Of course not! Look how blacks as a people have survived and thrived. Today they are in every walk of life, excelling in their fields : Doctors, Teachers, Authors, Economists, Surgeons, Attorneys, Judges, Political Leaders, Entrepreneurs, Plumbers, Electricians, Contractors, Pilots, etc. etc. and have overcome all the problems their mothers and fathers had to face.

[@maddman4747]

true, just another myth, and substantiation, of why the great religions of the day hoarded all information/knowledge from the masses.. keeping all peoples, some more than others in a state of ignorance, and superstition.. sadly still today we still give these religious icons a superior status, and as long as you're putting pennies in the plate. they care not who you are, nore what race.. enjoy the day -- madd

[@Afrometa]

Nobody takes Thomas Sowell serious outside of the people who use him to speak their doctrines

[@omalone1169]

@@Afrometa how come

[@LiquidFlux66]

💯

[@doctuhmazing]

Dat some powerful chit right there, mang!

[@bessiebassey9527]

THANKS FOR UTUBE THAT I AM ABLE TO LISTEN TO THIS ARESOME HISTORY OF EUROPEAN SCRAMBLE TO SHARE AND CONTROL THE WORLD AND BLACK PEOPLE HAVING JOIN IN AND CHANGE SIDE FOR THEIR SURVIVAL WHEN AND WHERE NECESSARY. A BRILLIANT MIND AND AN INDEPT ANALYTICAL SKILLS FROM A BLACK BROTHER. THIS IS THE KINK OF BOOK THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO BOTH OLD AND YOUNG PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD AS PART OF OUR HISTORY GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER FOR THIS GREAT WORK.

[@donaldcarpenter5328]

Who WERE those "natives" who were LIVING in the Carolinas/Georgia?? The Cherokee, Chokta, Creek, etc...

[@alsaulso1332]

wow!!!

[@MoorenaEl]

i hate they cut this video

[@andyayala9119]

love this guy

[@TonyqTNT]

This is very informative. I was confused about black militia troops in Florida. Were they armed by the British government or armed from their own funding?

[@Aquil84]

Armed by the Spanish. Florida was Spanish territory up until 1820s Subsequently they were fighting Seminoles a majority of who were run away Africans.

[@Afrometa]

Spanish

[@omalone1169]

@@Aquil84 thank you that confused me so much .

[@hazzard5011]

Great scholar and a nice guy!

[@bakerbaker454]

The real definition of a teacher : Is a Prophet ! As I learn and listen ! Falling down the rabbit hole ! THE PR

[@jamielunes1841]

Frontal lobe?

[@georgenelson8917]

While this is a very good speech, Gerald leaves out as a Major cause of the Revolution: The Proclamation Line of 1763 following the 7 years ( French & Indian War); it forbade the white English settlers from moving and taking the Indian’s land west of the mountains from Canada to Florida. Reserving the land for the Indians to the Mississippi River. This in fact was the main ( silent ) reason for the Revolution.

[@robertrichard6107]

I think that may be a given in the book, he does give a bigger picture where old lower Quebec and St. Augustine privateers were squeezing from the north and south directions. There was even a French Fort in present day Jacksonville. Washington wanted to make Michigan his farmland, but got wiped out at Pittsburgh by 1763.

[@omalone1169]

@@robertrichard6107 have you a source?

[@brucecorda3825]

@@omalone1169 he literally just said the book lol

[@omalone1169]

1:45:30 mention of Clarke wearing European clothes and Cheikh Anta Diop and his white wife

[@omalone1169]

1:53:00 Shang Dynasty was black?

[@jeffreybechtold5032]

Can someone explain to me how the American Revolution is a counter revolution? I’m having trouble fully understanding The Counter-Revolution of 1776.

[@marquispatton8198]

I agree with a lot of the things in this book but I think he's giving the British too much credit. The only true revolutionaries in opposition to the patriots were the enslaved rebels and "radical" white abolitionist unicorns.

[@stormz1243]

The original text of the Declaration of Independence had an entire paragraph devoted to freeing the slaves. You can thank the southern colonies for having it removed. They wouldn’t approve the declaration without that paragraph removed.

[@MSILBB]

nice try

[@johnla3092]

You mean all of the Democrats in the south? Yes that is true.

[@omalone1169]

???

[@syourke3]

True! And that fact completely disproves Horne’s thesis! Horne is a fraud, like The 1619 Project.

[@owencharles7809]

Please intro too long I am Fell asleep during intro

[@magicalthinkingbarbie4657]

I feel like I can not agree 30:18. They knew their skin tone when they set foot on Africa and the America's.

[@tesmith47]

No, they identified by country, i.e. french,English etc.

[@user-wd4qk3el7j]

So where was the African resistance right there ,put a book mark there.

[@patricianatividad8451]

Who are you kidding.....

[@jenniferhampton5171]

What are you saying?

[@blerdrotic]

I've always said that the crap blacks go through just feels personal.

[@robertrichard6107]

Better get out your light saber Hans and teach'm a lesson.

[@MrK67017]

Kneeling? Seriously??

[@robertrichard6107]

There's probably a lot of Reaganite types in that audience he didn't want to upset up there in Santi Barbie where Gipper had his ranch.

[@omalone1169]

@@robertrichard6107 explain

[@ashleyKennedy5]

The glorious revolution also unleashed the catastrophic urbanisation and the industrial revolution on England and Europe creating the mass under-privileged working class. Only 13 of the 21 British colonies in North America revolted. The revolt of the colonies did not kick British forces out of North Americas. You may note Canada still exists.

[@omalone1169]

What were the 21 colonies

[@patricianatividad8451]

FACT

[@charleswalker5140]

Do not call this scholar by his first name, should be addressed as “Professor Horne”!!!

[@cominroitover80]

Great lecture. Terrible stopping point, how the hell would a truth and reconciliation board be implimented in the US when the main perpetrators of slavery are dead? I really wanted him to elaborate on that.

[@Nghilifa]

cominroitover80 Well, it doesn't really matter that those who perpetrated it are dead, because the wealth that they acquired is still in the hands of their descendants & white america in general. Some people are so misinformed that they believe that the wealth acquired through slavery in USA back then, had no impact on the economy of USA today. That is absolutely false, so there's really no requirement for the actual perps to be alive today.

[@obiyanko2019]

+cominroitover80 Well, there is a concept called "an heir" who inherits from his fathers: shall they inherit the profit alone? Do they not inherit the debt as well? The present heirs are reaping the evil fruits of their fathers wicked labour and praising their fathers to the heavens for all to hear. Does it not amount to endorsement of what their fathers did? Have you not heard about how "great" George Washington was? Have you not heard how "great" Thomas Jefferson was? Were they not slave owners? They will mourn with Jews over some doubtful holocaust of 6 million but never apologize for 400 years of brutalization and dehumanization of Africans to the tune of over 100million.

[@obiyanko2019]

cominroitover80 It seems you are quick to indignation but are not patient to understand. I am not citing jews in a culpable way but using their cause as example of the hypocrisy of americans and europeans who mourn for a few jews they did not kill but will not mourn for 100 million africans they brutalized and lynched and.murdered. Neither am I asking for "reparations". They can keep their bloodied money. Let us endure hardships righteously, and build our countires thereby, and not accept blood money of the wicked.

[@cominroitover80]

The Bantu what the hell are reeds? I mean yeah, european jews are white at the end of the day and they did exploit the black community like every other groups of whites, but the fact is that they did step out of their way to help the civil rights movement, and yet most holocaust deniers in the US are black people, so it's just a bit ironic. black nationalists have a special hatred for jews that they don't have for regular white people, which just doesn't make sense to me.

[@obiyanko2019]

cominroitover80 Were there no jews in south africa at the height of apartheid which was contemporaneous with civil rights? Where were the good jews then? Did they not trade gold.and diamonds whiles the zulu were being dehumanised and brutalized? Did they not profit from the weath of the zulu whiles the zulus had dogs and guns turned on them tearing them apart and gunning down their school children? It seems you yourself do not know black history in US where jews are concerned. Lookup David Levy Yulee. So a few jews marched in the 60s when 1000s more sold slaves is to their credit? How are they friends of blacks when they deny any culpability for their role in slave trade and their politicians supported slavery and segregation? Choose your friends wisely. Seems you liberal blacks have no honour and sleep with those who raped our mothers, brutalised them, lynched your fathers, killed babies - now you call them your friends and want to marry their sons and daughters? Black men who think like this will never build a nation or strong community any where and will be always exploited. Do not confound foolishness with love or some notion of universal brotherliness.

[@patricianatividad8451]

FACT OR FICTION

[@chrisb1805]

at the end he cherry picks what he wants and avoids others. Many, perhaps all, do that. But not completely honest. How is South Africa now?

[@fthechance]

WAKANDA LIVES!!!!!

[@Afrometa]

??

[@Trfagdhhdi]

Let’s not forget that slavery was invented by Muslims and Africans and when England and Europe banned it, It was the African and Muslim kings that didn’t want it stopped.

[@tesmith47]

Not true slavery Isa world wide, historical human structure.......?BUT CHATTEL SLAVERY IS A FIXTURE OF MODERN CAPITALISM

[@incognito3620]

Why in gods name was this not taught in schools and still is not taught in schools. Even at college level. I wonder if this is not what many are up in arms about today- referring specifically to “Critical Race Theory” I had never heard any of this history.

[@marquispatton8198]

Our history is either "critical race theory", victimization based, white washed, or glossed over. If it doesn't fit that mold it isn't taught

[@2Goiz_1CuP]

🙏❤️ THAT'S what I'm talking about! ACCOUNTABILITY. That is a great american Americans need EGO-DEATH soooo bad🇺🇲✝️

[@Ash-iy3xc]

Floored that everything they teach us in school is a lie

[@wordgeezer]

@ 14:57 is a profound revelation ~ In 1948 I learned that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree. In 1958 I learned that he crossed the Alleghanies to do a survey on the Mound Culture. In the here an now there is only history. Thank you for your insight to the real happenings. I say this as a fan of Charles Darwin in his book "Voyage of the Beagle".

[@patricianatividad8451]

Now in Texas we have beautiful persons who are color we don't treat them any less ..we are hateful also we can relate kindness compassion even say gooood morning

[@bessiebassey9527]

THANKS FOR UTUBE ! O

[@krumpnoob]

Just wanted to point out that he said he wanted to research 100 years before 1934 then says that he looked back into the 17th century...?!?!? What?

[@jamesbuchanan6256]

@Professor Gerald Horne would you please do an interview with Jesse Lee Peterson

[@ben5mop.iamarteifio412]

Dr Gerald- you have brilliant made an account of the events re The USA original history- However don't stretch your imagination-- AFRICAN of Angolan descent could have never been proficient in the Portuguese language. So please don't twist facts.

[@user-wd4qk3el7j]

Where was the revolting African backup support so they are stii right there in Georgia stuck didn't go any further and allowed them self to be stuck had be there like of mobility. I think it was more of this free black wealth rather than the black scare that the colonyies revolted against British monarch .

[@geoffreyriggs5485]

Obviously, this is really troubling. What's necessary now is that someone as knowledgeable as Professor Horne address why did someone like Thomas Jefferson, later a sellout and a slaveholder himself after 1776, first aim his ire directly at the slave trade in his original Declaration, as though slavery were one of the unwelcome legacies of the British Empire and King George rather than something the colonists wanted to maintain? "he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them to slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportations thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain determining to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold" Yes, there were plenty of colonists who wanted to uphold the slave trade. Why else was this clause removed? But once Jefferson, before being tainted with the trade himself, cites the trade as a chief reason why he stands against England(!), it is hard to see a proactive attempt to _maintain_ slavery as a chief goal behind the colonists' revolt. Many colonists wanted to maintain slavery, yes. But with Jefferson first inveighing _against_ it, it's hard to see retaining slavery as a chief reason for opposing King George. King George comes off here as being largely viewed as slavery's godfather. That needs to be addressed.

[@etonwetonw]

What if he is just being a politician?

[@edavila1]

same reason Trump says he is the least racist person in the room. Nobody admits to being the human trafficker and child rapist in historical documents. Public relations isn't a new thing.

[@cliffgaither]

@@edavila1 :: That was "well-said" especially about PR not being a new thing. Famous ("great") people w / writing skills know how to BS on paper for future generations, especially for future historians.

[@cliffgaither]

@@etonwetonw:: Good question !

[@robertrichard6107]

Jefferson was a big wineO.

[@paqman777yt]

The British sided with the South during the Civil War because they were more concerned about cotton then the lives of African slaves. I certainly understand why the African slaves fought against the Colonist but the Revolutionary War was not fought to preserve the institution of slavery. Our founding did not allow for a strong central government having the power to emancipate the slaves at that time. That power was reserved for each individual state and by 1804 all the Northern states had indeed declared themselves free and abolished the practice of slavery based on the principles on which this nation was founded.

[@Afrometa]

The emancipation proclaimation was a transfer of private property of citizens to the government (the two confiscation acts prior to The Ep) So the enslaved (not slave) africans weren't set free and slavery never ended.

[@robertrichard6107]

His point is there's ambiguity of the founding slave owners 'Declaration of Independence' granting freedom to 'whites' who weren't indentured servants; merchants, artisans, farmers, then naming Indigenous people savages etc, then by 1783 after Shay, kept their balance of power over non slave owners by counting their slaves as 3/5's of a vote. The Mansfield decision was made in 1772, so Jefferson and the likes knew abolition was coming.

[@jamesoakes1819]

how dare you bring facts into this discussion

[@jamesoakes1819]

@@robertrichard6107 Slavery was never really a pressing issue for the most part. Many of the founders found slavery to be morally objectionable but naively assumed it would just go away on it's own. There's no evidence to support the thesis that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery.

[@joetoe9947]

… here’s a question that perhaps Dr Horne might answer… what has he (or anyone in this thread) to say of the “black indigenous” who helped construct/form “the basis of wealth” of these united snakes, er, states!?…

[@brettsessums718]

There was a slave trade amongst Africans selling each other WAY BEFORE the Europeans and Americans got involved…… free market capitalism also existed in both Africa and Europe way before the slave trade…..

[@BUSHFLIX]

Long introduction = gulag

[@donaldcarpenter5328]

Nat Turner...

[@patricianatividad8451]

Also I know that the NIGERIAN STOLE 60 BILLIONS OF MONEY BUT GOT CAUGHT

[@obiyanko2019]

For those who aim to deflect guilt by saying "we did not do those things so how can we be guilty" Is there not a concept called "an heir" who inherits from his fathers? Shall they inherit the good name alone? Do they not inherit the debt and evil as well? The present heirs are reaping the evil fruits of their fathers wicked labour and praising their fathers to the heavens for all to hear. Does it not amount to endorsement of what their fathers did? Have you not heard about how "great" George Washington was? Have you not heard how "great" Thomas Jefferson was? Were they not slave owners? They will mourn with Jews over some doubtful holocaust of 6 million every year but never apologize for 400 years of brutalization and dehumanization of Africans to the tune of over 100 million.

[@obiyanko2019]

***** True. We must not distract ourselves but must stay focused.

[@graniteminerman]

+The Bantu Very well said. The people to whom you refer want to associate themselves with the so-called 'positive' aspects of the KKK-like figures you mention, yet want to not only dissociate from but completely deny their ultra-rightist legacy. Not only that, but as you also mention, they want to reap the benefits left by those monsters - the stolen land and world's biggest economy, which is based in majority part on slavery - but not repay it in any way to the people from whom it was stolen. Thus they themselves take on the mantle of ultra-rightism and genocide, while preferring to view themselves as 'liberals', etc. Which also reveals how sheltered they are from world and critical opinion in their corporate propaganda bubble.

[@obiyanko2019]

graniteminerman peace and love brother. Let us make sure our children understand and never forget like we do. It is our godly dignity that we dont forget our history regardless of any assimilationist and pacifist.

[@cattycorner8]

The Bantu the truth is that the nation's founders were indeed great men, and the nation they founded is the greatest ever i n the history of the world. The United States was the only country where a peasant could rise to the level of a king. That is why today people are still literally dying to come here. We all have an equal opportunity to succeed, to achieve our dreams of a decent living wage job or career, our own home for our families, to live in a beautiful, safe neighborhood with good schools.

[@obiyanko2019]

@@cattycorner8 That's your view of the US by your subjective criteria. The power brokers in the US are a wicked and evil people and it continues. Not only US. All nations that have sought global domination have done the worst evils to humanity, including the Arabs, Ottomans, British, Romans, etc.

[@Unprotected1232]

Is it me or why can't I understand on an intuitive level what or why some adopt racist views. Is it because I know how fallacious the arguments made by racists are that I cannot relate to their superficial appeal?

[@short-leggedturtle1315]

Rambling speech. I wish he would have focused more on tying together the history better.

[@Playthellgb42]

IT WAS NOT RAMBLING IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE! AND OBVIOUSLY WAAAY OVER YO HEAD!!! READ THE BOOK ASSHOLE!!!

[@patricianatividad8451]

Now I am not going to bow down to noooo one who is wrong with this crap ...even I notice people just want popularity for your book this is gooood but please don't take me as a fool

[@cedricroney1475]

His smacking is so annoying to me.

[@cedricroney1475]

I wish he would have gotten right to the point. He is a very long winded talker and ran out of time. He didn't talk to much about the topic.

[@cliffpage7677]

What is the point? I have never listened to a more disjointed lecture. I would be afraid to begin reading any one of his books for fear of being drawn into an endless dark tunnel and lost in insanity before I got halfway through. Mr. Horne needs to learn to develop an outline and stick to it. He wanders from one side of the road to the other like a man falling out of a pulcaria trying to find his way home, by looking through a bottle. Facts and anecdotes do not a convincing argument make.

[@kokobwild2413]

I don't think he's trying to argue with anyone is he? That said if you are right and he is then facts DO make a convincing argument IMHO....to people who give a shit about facts anyway. If you aren't convinced by facts then good luck.

[@hornworldbefree4490]

Before his time for sure!

[@steveeric6942]

Due to the complete lack of structure and presentation, this was painfully uninteresting.

[@cattycorner8]

Absolute bollocks.

[@rosbifle413]

HAHAHA idiot!!!! Plain and simple. This guy is very lucky there are so many gullible low I.Q. morons to buy his stuff otherwise he would be broke. Fucking hilarious speech though!!!!!! Hahaha

[@hornworldbefree4490]

I have the same name no E on Horn!