EP 255: Dr. Biswo Nath Poudel | Nepal's Economic History | Mallas & Shahs | Sushant Pradhan Podcast

Dr. Biswo Nath Poudel, a distinguished economist and former Vice Chair of Nepal’s National Planning Commission took us into an insightful journey through Nepal's economic development history. With expertise in natural resources economics, labor economics, and economic history, Dr. Poudel provides a comprehensive overview of Nepal's economic landscape, tracing its evolution from the Malla and Shah dynasties to the present day. This podcast is a first part of a three-podcasat series, where he offers detailed insights into key historical milestones and economic trends, shedding light on the factors shaping Nepal's economic trajectory.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 INTRO
01:07 Economic History of Nepal
01:57 Lichhavi Era, Kathmandu
06:07 Malla Era & Tibet
11:20 Pratap Malla's Death, Kathmandu's Instability
23:49 Prithvi Narayan Shah's Brutality, Kathmandu Capture
36:57 Was he Interested in Unification?
38:55 Economy and Wars during Shah Dynasty
51:42 Rana Bahadur Shah's era
1:01:10 Bhimsen Thapa's era
1:19:43 Rana Jung Pandey, Rajendra Shah & the British
1:28:57 The Start of Ranas
1:34:57 The Economy Before Ranas
1:40:45 Part 2 coming soon

[@poudelsushil]

One of the best Nepali podcast i have heard so far. Felt like watching a movie. Dr. Bishwo Nath Poudel’s knowledge in history is something that need to documented for future educational purpose. Now i am wondering where my family lineage were and how they were part of this history.

[@animatemyconfession]

Fav for a Reason, Every one thinking about Swarnim Wagle, but this guy izz on whole next Level

[@sevenchakra5548]

Yes he is in a different level, a level where pseudo intellectuals live. This man needs a proper history lesson. Besides narrating what Anglo-Saxon (known to be liars) historians have written about Nepal, he does not seem to know much. Does he know how kings were made all over the world? Does he know about official creation of Free Masonry in 1717? Does he know about Royal Society? Does he know about Cromwells, the uncle and the nephew? Does he know about Russian mysticism? Does he know about Russian occult and how it is related to tantrisme? Does he know how all these impacted Anglo-Saxons' politics all over the world? Does he know why Nepal remained independent? Does he even know that the British royal dynasty is German? Does he know that most of the British and European kings were either of French or Prussian (German) descendants? Does he know that Young Turks were Jews falsely converted into Islam? Does he know why Protestant revolution occurred? Does he know what the real reason behind french revolution was? Does he know who Kazars are and how they spread all over Europe and controlled world finance first through Italy, then Netherlands, then England and now USA (New York)? Does he know what Israel is doing right now? Does he know what messianism is? Does he know what prophecy of Isaiah that Netanyahu is talking about? You cannot understand Prithivi Narayan Shah, his unification of Nepal and then later on the rise of Ranas without understand all these. This so called professor is a joke.

[@purenefoli]

@@sevenchakra5548 you do the honor of connecting the dots 😜

[@yuvrajchhetri9073]

this guy is endorsing hear say as a fact. you think that's information.. most of the fact are baseless biased subjective judgement of a speaker

[@NabPkr]

@@sevenchakra5548 Holy, your comment is so grand and profound. I'd love to hear about you and how you've acquired knowledge on such broad spectrum. Thanks.

[@sevenchakra5548]

@@yuvrajchhetri9073 Definitely. The world took a very different turn after the crisis in Catholic church. The protestants were born and the Judaeo-Protestant ideologies took control over the world. Prithivi Narayan Shah was born during this period. Kings all over the world before 16th century and after 16th century were completely different. Different time, different tide, different way to running kingdoms. This clown, an impostor is posing as a history professor.

[@memestudio56]

सार्है राम्रो podcast। अहिलेसम्मको असाध्यै मनपरेको र धेरै सत्यमा आधारित।

[@pkk57]

मन पर्यो । अर्को भाग पनि ल्याइयोस्।

[@jak1375]

I am loving this . This is such mesmerising history telling. Its my second repeat listening.

[@maheshpant8474]

Best of the best podcast I have heard so far! Very well done Sushant, keep up the good work!

[@thehimalayanconnection7823]

अति राम्रो वार्तालाप र एतिहासिक जानकारी को लागी धन्यवाद , ति तमामअनाहकमा काटिएका ,मारियेकाहरु को आत्मा को चिर शान्तिको कामना गर्छु

[@kiranshrestha8519]

Loving the new perspective of our history in depth. Thank you and very much looking forward to the next episode.

[@baburamaryal6121]

What a insightful conversation ! magnificent !

[@Pank132]

One of the best episodes!!

[@yakrage]

Majja Aayo ... Next Ep. Eagerly Waitin

[@SushantStha-rd2pe]

Insight ful. I never miss any videos from him.Waiting for 2nd part

[@TAXPUNDITSomkmmm-ot6uy]

One of the most engaging podcast. Weekend 2 hours podcast on garera mitho nap liye🙏🇺🇸🇳🇵👍👌

[@prabeshtandukar3386]

Very interesting Eagerly Waiting for part 2

[@chetnepali3465]

In depth information, loved it. need part 2 soon.

[@rakeshkc3720]

This is the best conversation so far 😀🙏…

[@crea5091]

Good one !! Loved it !!

[@asminsilwal5518]

Realistic and genuine.

[@buddhaneverest]

Thank you Sushant Dai

[@egoanil]

Truely explaination with authentic😮 reference.

[@sthakhem]

धेरै राम्रो टल्क !!!

[@dilipgauchan7702]

I could listen to this guy all day , what a good story teller

[@laxmanpahari2765]

very nice and informative about the history of Nepal. Plz do the part two

[@HG-cy7wv]

Thank you Susant for again.. 👍

[@nishantshah6146]

More podcasts should comes like this, need to know more about our country history.

[@khagenneupane3395]

Part two awaited 💞🙏

[@me2000]

Susant bro you are contributing the nation unknowingly. God bless you. The best podcast.🙏

[@bijdhyastha5503]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@NewBegining367]

Oh God euta complete historical movie nai here jasto bhayo. Good luck Sushant brother.

[@user-ob3uc6fd3d]

Wow. Khatra lagyo. Please keep up the good work. Yo podcast ajhai long hunu prthyo. Biswo Prakash Sir ko knowledge and information lai salute cha. Lets make another video on what policy level things were there during Malla regime that made the era so developed

[@prabinarayamajhituladhar5791]

Very good podcast.

[@SukDevKhanal-vd8uj]

Love this🙏

[@PepperPaudel]

Interesting watch! Really enjoy a different spin on Nepali history

[@dipeshshrestha9308]

Full history in one pod so informative

[@prashantpradhan4424]

best podcast so far ! this is how podcasts needs to be rather than following the common narrative. Critical thinking and realistic historical perspective KUDOS sushant Pradhan

[@sumeetdagi818]

What a sensational podcast it is. What a chaotic political situation we have been through. If we don't compare ourselves with others, I think we can find a whole lot of reasons to be grateful for the freedom we have found as a Nepali society. Now I am more clear that we shouldn't go for Monarchy, but rather strengthen our democracy, rule of law, good governance, and effective foreign relations.

[@ujjwalkhadka3824]

I slightly differ here. assume a powerful leader you meant is efficient leader, in this case YES. Resource distribution requires strong leader (and his/her team) fine execution. A weak leader will only want to please everybody and do nothing in the end, real leaders need to open a path on top of existing foundation and obstruction, therefore the term powerful, needed to let others obey at will, nobody willing to please a weak leader, but will listen to the powerful leader. since you start off a developing country, it means you are behind the development curve and disadvantage in pretty much all aspect, such as resource, technology, infrastructure, etc. Discipline democracy is good (Not like Nepal)its loottantra in the Name of Democracy)but to achieve a good stable governance it has to start with some autocratic means…

[@kshitizadhikari7814]

That's the problem, you know why? Just a single podcast can change your perception then that means your beliefs are not strong. PN Shah unified Nepal, that's a basic fact. This guy tries to analyse context of 250 years ago in current scenario. This is just a talk, it might not be true at all. He said PN shah wasn't interested in unifying Nepal, yet he did it. Lol contradicting his own opinion. If he was that brutal he could have killed plenty of people of valley and remove Kumari as goddess if his ego was way too big as this guy tells. Things don't add up here. He is economist, not historian and historian themselves have been wrong in so many cases.

[@MrNameeo]

Good coverage.

[@abc4677]

Nice ...and interesting podcast

[@DiigitalRamesh]

Please bring the guest again and again!!

[@nomadicjoyride3699]

Awesome man❤

[@MilanShah-gv3dm]

Very deep conversation sir🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@99sacrifice]

First nepali podcast i watched full. Agree with all Dr. Poudel said. That unification thing is all bullsh*t. From economic prospective it makes sense. Learned alot. Many people think Keyrong is Nepal China border, it is not. Timure is Nepal China border. From Timure it takes 90 min approx to reach Keyrong. Waiting for part 2

[@dhakalsandeep3452]

Dr. Biswo is the most knowledgeable person of Nepali economic history after Mahesh Chandra Regmi.

[@narjungsingh6804]

Great

[@indramainali4613]

Dr Bishwo! You are an walking encyclopedia! I have never heard anyone so knowledgeable and fluent in the history of medieval Nepal! Great Man! I was having a virtual tour of the Bagh Durbar watching live tigers roaming around the courtyard of the residence while listening to Bishwo.

[@gdpandey8511]

This is a great druely amazing 😍

[@jonrai]

🙏 waiting for part 2 👍

[@nareshshakya4170]

very interesting 👋👋

[@milan478]

Good work brother

[@surajshrestha8423]

अब ईतिहास त पढन पाउदैन तर यसरी ईतिहास काे कुरा हुदा धेरै कुरा सिकन बुजन सकिनछ धेरै धेरै धनेबाद

[@sureshasuresha6520]

Shah dynasty को इतिहास सिध्याउने आदेश पाएको छ प्रज्ञा प्रतिष्ठानले, भनेको सुनेको छु

[@user-ig8pr2nk3g]

Man dr. Biswo nath paudel true guiness 🎉

[@manish.bhatta]

This man and his in-depth knowledge is amazing

[@abdulsansari413]

I always listen and watch enlightened talks of Dr Biswo Poudel--He always shares on the basis of economic history and political economy--he is a great economist of Nepal--I wish him all the best!

[@rcdhakal_sir]

Surprised.... My economics professor is talking about factual bit unbooked history. Hats off professor

[@sagaradhikari7906]

Mphill Gardai ho KU ma ??

[@Redundancyrocks]

Gunakamadeva was the one who flipped shitty kathmandu valley into " Nè "(pilgrimage) because Gunakamadeva came from Dunhuang (guiyi circuit) and modeled it with the image of rich silk route cities like dunhuang and khotan. The myths of swayambhu is of khotanese in origin. So called newari script was brought in by those tibetans because dunhuang was the one where every dharma texts were transcribed and translated during late tibetan empire. So called thakuris were of tibetan origin and were rulling the valley from Bhot-anta ( sindhupalchowk). People had to pay levy to enter the valley during and after gunakamadeva. The invasion of tibet by mongols did cut off the route and weakend the rulers. This podcast host is a blooody joker !

[@rcdhakal_sir]

@@sagaradhikari7906 ho hajurr

[@indowarrior9195]

​​@@Redundancyrocksfrom where do you draw that conclusion? So we should listen to Rinpoches and sanskritist who was a fanboy of rinpoche? There is no written evidence, no any inscriptions nor sutra speaks of it. The only attested name of Bhot-anta is from the time of Songsten Gampo and Trisong detsen which is so few, where do you find the connections of Thakuri Dynasty in it? Also, Bhot anta refers to Bhutan, how hard is it to study translated Annals of tibetan and bhutan history for you? Now please dont come up idiotic argument of Sindhupalchowk being bhot-anta and Songsten gampo ko palo ma bhote haru ktm aauda bhotāhiti banatheo. I mean can you Tibetan folks even study some inscription of Bhotahiti? Tessei Bhote vanera hepya haina k timi haru lai mula. I study both Tibetan and Sanskrit. Give me sources, not your imaginative oral stories made up by Rinpoches which was backed up by white fan boys. Tetro dakini sanga nachera hinya Padmasamvab kei dherei kura pauna garo xa. Aba later time ma gayera connected vako mongolia ra khotan ko syawambhu myth lai Gunakamadev sanga jodxa jasko inscription feri 4-5 ota majjale pauxa k. Kehi buddhist connection xaina bhai Gunakamadev ko.

[@Bipin001]

Nice😊

[@ashutoshmanidixit6944]

Sushant's 'monocast' style barely skims the surface, leaving him drowning in shallow waters of comprehension. The conversation must have swiftly flown over his head.

[@Meta_ex]

He has nothing to add just like us, we were never taught our own history in detail. The ability to absorb information is a good thing to formulate relevant queries for future dialogue.

[@bishalkhatiwada899]

पार्ट टु पनि चाहियो दाजै❤लास्टै क्युरिसिटि बढायो यो ईतिहास बारे❤

[@sauravbajracharya3403]

Grand son of Dhan Bajra Bajracharya here. Thank you for mentioning him when the country is forgetting him.

[@sauravbajracharya3403]

@@indowarrior9195 timi ho mahaan bro 😂😂 bachcha jasto comment hando raicha

[@mongollama3940]

Bro, if u are gson, please upload his works in digital format hai. TU ma Dhan Bajra Bajracharya history reading sources navayera garo xa. Aru sab ko books pauxa market ma but uhako paudaina. It will be a great value/addition to youths who want to study about Nepalese history and for scholars too.

[@keshabkhatiwada8718]

My sincere respects to the great Historian 🙏

[@aryankarki7900]

🙏🙏🙏

[@adkyya2373]

किन उहाको पुस्तक बजारमा सजिलै पाइदैन?? सजिलै पाइने ब्यबस्था मिलाइदिनु होला। 🙏

[@blackhole5086]

Waiting part 2

[@prabinkafle2738]

Dr. Bishow is an erudite politician. Wouldn't expect a podcast more insightful than this. Utterly pithful and meticulous narration. Thank you.

[@HG-cy7wv]

Kasto ramro interpretation...

[@kiranawale2954]

need 2nd part ASAP

[@sanjogpoudel976]

Sushant have really big ears 👂👍

[@bikashkumararyal5209]

Nice

[@101yayo]

Please give approximate dates when talking about history.

[@amitrayamajhi677]

The era of Shahs, Ranas, and Thapas holds incredible potential for captivating stories and plots that would enthrall movie audiences. It's surprising that filmmakers and screenwriters haven't explored this rich history yet. Countless narratives could emerge from this period, offering a treasure trove of material for compelling movies.

[@ln5712]

My thoughts exactly. I always wonder why they are so interested only on those same old love stories.

[@unujhjjjjjjjjjjjjj]

Me too. The stories that can be drawn from history of Nepal is endless. I would also like to see movies done in Kirati, Licchavi, and Malla Era, just imagine, stories on how whole civilization shifted. How lichhavis travelled from Vaisali then to how they became successful to enter Nepal and even rule it. Likewise, stories for Mallas, how they had to leave their thriving country because of Mughals and take shelter in Nepal. Even, story of Taleju bhawani coming from heaven through Indrajit to Lanka, then Ayodhya hidden for centuries and then accepting Malla Kings.

[@smritipokhrel6540]

There were movies made that weren't successful. Economy is the key.

[@theenvyful]

...didnt skip a sec. Great podcast. Learned alot from Dr Bishwo. Amazing knowledge. He should be invited more often.

[@whatyouwant8020]

Damn!!! one of the best podcast in this channel.. Keep it up Sushant brother!!

[@inkdouma]

khai ta arko part i'm still waiting, aaye paxi link haldinu la dai!

[@egoanil]

release next episode asap, Man.

[@nepalsudar]

He scratch the Harsh Reality of Our history . Freedom and democracy comes through that dark era yet people got a slogan saying “राजा आउ देश बचाउ" ! A good podcast !

[@PriyansW]

baised podcast xa

[@PriyansW]

naak kaateko kitab timro cristain pastor le lekhya ho see the book author name ,tehi cristain missonaries lai pn shah le jiwan daan diyera desh nikala garya hun

[@RoshanKunwar-kd8kh]

Waiting for 2nd eposide

[@blackhole5086]

Part 2 aauna paryo

[@anonymoussoul8770]

Downloading options Remove nagardinu hola hai travel garda sunne garchu dherai ananda huncha 🙏🏼❤️

[@chaalllaaann8294]

Spotify sunne ne

[@anonymoussoul8770]

Video pani herne garchu 🙏🏼

[@vijaythapa2357]

Podcast ko dauran ma mentioned books pani bio maa note garidinu bhaye ikxuk viewers lai sahaj hunethyo!!!

[@rukeshgiri2487]

🙌

[@rajeshgurung4654]

Is there any way, where we can organize the seminar session or lecture regarding the topic with Dr. Bishwo Nath Poudel. Literally, I was in depth n can listen throughout the day.

[@mllbgaming5917]

Someone should make a tv series on Prithbhi Narayan Shah. I can already imagine the battle and politics in my head😀😀

[@virus7472]

Dherai paxi info dinya ramro manxya aaunu vayo

[@bhumigat2349]

ईतिहास brutal थियो, अत्याचारी थियो भन्ने angle बाट वहाँले ईतिहास पस्किनु भयो। यो भन्दा धेरै बढ्दा brutality धेरै पछिसम्म युरोप, अफ्रिका र अमेरिकामा थियो। mass massacre, ethnic cleansing, slavery, slave trade यी आदी तमाम brutality दोस्रो विश्वयुद्ध पछिसम्म पनि युरोप, अफ्रिका, दक्षिण पुर्वी एसिया जताततै थिए। इतिहासको मूल्याङ्कन तत्कालीन समयसँग तुलना गरेर हेर्ने कि आजको आँखाबाट मात्र हेर्ने? अहिले पनि युरोप अमेरिकामै त्यो brutality का अंशहरू बेलाबेला प्रकट भैरहेका हुन्छन। वहाँले ईतिहास नेपालको ईतिहास लाई negative हिसाबले मात्र हेर्ने हुँदोरहेछ। विश्व ईतिहासको पनि हेक्का राख्नु होला।

[@neonn9674]

Itihas kelauda apa ramro matra kelayera hunxa???? Naramro lai kelaunu parena… sati pratha ko ni kura nagareko vaye hunthyo vanna khojeko ki?????

[@NB-nabin]

2 taie prospective waa Neutral vayera fact vanne naaki aaphno opinion. And kuro Sati prathako ho tyo galat kura ho but tyo vitra pani ramro kura Sano baccha vayeko widow lae sati janu pardaina thyo

[@thedav54321]

👍👍

[@akashkhattri8196]

38:22 I totally disagree......afno vested interst ko lai bhaepani India China ko agadi 1ta dhikko nation ko jug ta rakhnu bhyo ni

[@shrijanapradhan5449]

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💖💖💖

[@arpanaadhikari1062]

still waiting for part 2

[@binodgc7389]

Imagining a century of blank pages in the annals of history seems rather amusing. If those scrutinizing today's political landscape refrain from documenting or daring to reveal the true workings behind the scenes, this era may too be relegated to obscurity. Perhaps the guest on the podcast possesses insight into the unfolding events of these decades. If not, who knows what revelations may emerge a hundred years hence........................ Back in 2006, the political scene in Nepal went through a major shake-up when the political parties joined forces to kick out King Gyanendra and take control of the government. Among these parties was the UML, led mainly by KP Oli, who had ousted Madhav Kumar, the longtime leader of the party. Once Oli rose to the top, he proved to be quite cunning. He didn't have a child. He surrounded himself with loyalists and systematically ousted anyone who opposed him, not just from his own party, but even from other communist groups, hoping to weaken them collectively. It's quite unusual, right? Oli seemed obsessed with power, willing to do anything to be seen as the father figure of Nepal, despite not having any children of his own. He married a Newar woman, like many other communists entering Kathmandu from poorer backgrounds, perhaps to save on rent or for other reasons. On the flip side, the Nepali Congress was under the sole leadership of Sher Bahadur Deuba. Now, how he rose to power remains a bit of a mystery. Surrounded by questionable characters, he earned the dubious title of the "chief of the corrupt." It's really puzzling how someone from Dadeldhura ended up studying in Britain and marrying into a powerful family. Some say a British ambassador might have played a role in his marriage. Deuba served as prime minister five times, which is quite a lot, especially in those turbulent times. He had a son who tried to capitalize on his father's influence in business, but it didn't quite work out. Perhaps he lacked the smarts or was too focused on trivial matters. Then there's Prachanda, whose real name is Pushpa Kamal, but most people know him by his nickname. He's a bit of a complex character-part revolutionary hero, part power-hungry schemer. He fought for the people, but also constantly sought power to protect himself and his family. After his son's death, he tried everything to make his daughter influential in Nepali politics. So, yeah, Nepali politics was a rollercoaster ride during those times. blah, blah, blah Perhaps it was a mistake to overthrow the king, or perhaps not. Here we stand under the 5th republic constitution, marginally improved from before but still falling short. It seems we have lost our way somewhere along the journey.

[@subashthapa2172]

Sir le time time ma ale sano sor ma bolera bujina. Natra story kada xa nepal ko. Thank you for telling the history.

[@prs26]

History is written only by the brave

[@santoshbhandari7545]

Biswo Poudel is such a realistic economist and leader. We need to hear from him more often.

[@rajeshsubedi6384]

@ sushant: hey mate can you please bring additional guest with this guy may be Historian Dinesh Raj Panta. It looks like this guy is economics background putting history alongside, Dinesh raj Pant, can correct Bishow nath if required??

[@khanalu]

Real Podcast not a so called interview type Podcast.. great knowledge.. fan of Bishwa Ji.. your analysis is above the our dirty politics.. Hats off 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@sumendramool]

😊😊😊

[@laxmithapaliya7501]

Next episode dai

[@YRSHAHI]

Not sure how much truth lies in your historic talk, but if we call ourselves Nepali then Prithvi Narayan Shah is the one who had a vision to make this country. Any country needs to have leaders who are ambitious and visionary and PN Shah was yes ambitious and visionary person. We need to respect him and what he did otherwise we would be still fighting with small countries or would've easily taken over by India. We should also respect Kirats, Lichhabis and Mallas and all other states of Nepal thats why we are diverse yet united. जय नेपाल!!!

[@pradeepkhadka5193]

Auta movie banaunu parxa yo sabai ko tw atti mai babal 🤗🤗

[@ChanchalSharma_chhauri]

So very like “The Game of Thrones”

[@Rikesh101]

Drop ep2 right now bro

[@st_prashant_jung_shumsher_rana]

Well Prthivi Narayan was conqueror but not a saint. He too had his darksides

[@suman2830]

Part 2 khai ta

[@deepakbhatta9913]

He just translated the concept designed by westerners about our history particularly great king Prithvi Narayan Shah.

[@sabinbishankhe1410]

1.41 is too short it had to be 2.41 ❤

[@buddhaneverest]

Agreed

[@subashthapa2172]

Sushant dai le mesmarized vayera question nasodya ke homework nai nagarera question nasodya????