Ep. 323 | .223 Rem vs .300 Blackout - Enough Knockdown for Deer?

[@Mr.Run-n-Gun]

I have used 300 BLK, suppressed, with the Barnes 110 Tac TX for multiple deer. The only reason I don't still use it is my 14 year old son likes it for every reason I liked it. Portable, quiet, easy to use from a tree stand. I couldn't be happier watching my son enjoy the outdoors!

[@scotteger6271]

I’ve considered that same setup in something like a Ruger American ranch for myself. The hard part is mentally getting used to only having so much power/range…even though the range is exactly what I encounter year after year!

[@Mr.Run-n-Gun]

@@scotteger6271 Right on. I forgot to mention, where we hunt is dense timber. 50 to 75 yrd shot at most.

[@scotteger6271]

@@Mr.Run-n-Gun yea me too mostly...it's just a mental game, like getting a 400-500cc bike that does what you need when there's a 1000cc one available

[@HB-kp6rl]

Id like to see a 6.5 grendel vs a 6 arc. Or a 300 black vs 762x39. Food for thought

[@cristianespinal9917]

I took a big doe with a .300 Blackout two seasons ago using the Barnes 110 gr Tac-TX out of a 16" barrel. The shot was 50-60 yards, double-lung, hit ribs in and out, no shoulder. Tiny entrance, big internal damage, and an exit that looked like it was caused by a small broadhead. The deer ran about 20 yards, then staggered 10 more until it laid down. The blood trail was thick. I would use it again without hesitation. I also took a coyote with it the day before using it on a deer. The coyote went belly up and was DRT. Edit: By the way, the round was a handload. My muzzle velocity was right at 2400 fps.

[@GarageHooning82]

I picked up a ruger american in 300blk for practice shooting and man it shoots 110 vmax bullets amazing. Regularly can do half moa groups with it. Blows my mind how great cheap guns can be

[@guccimoto2283]

What mags are you using?

[@brenn330]

Ryan, I use the Barnes 110 Tac-TX. 10" barrel with a can. Shots have been between 15-125 yards. All did the trick very well on whitetail.

[@rossarnett8079]

77gr Sierra Match King is absolutely amazing on deer. It doesn’t get talked about much because it’s a “target” round but it is absolutely devastating on deer. Ive shot deer from 50 yards to 280 yards with that round, all of which dropped very quickly after impact That’s pretty much my go to for whitetail now

[@matthewbooth9869]

Tipped match king, TMK is the one to use.

[@GammaRayTrae]

I’ve always heard this round fragments and destroys the meat how true is this?

[@rossarnett8079]

@@GammaRayTrae I haven’t had a problem with that on either the TMK or the OTM round. I primarily use the OTM round now, no reason other than that’s what I have the most of. Out of the dozen or so deer I’ve shot with the OTM round I haven’t had one run further than 30 yards. I’ve used the Barnes tsx 55gr bullets in the past as well, but I noticed they were prone to ricochet once they hit a rib, I had one hit a rib and ricochet towards the rear of the deer and destroy a ham upon exit. That’s why I use the 77gr Sierra’s now. No issues with that at all, and yes they will go through both shoulders no problem

[@addisonclark1883]

Me 2 buddy.

[@mattcomchoc2957]

Dang right somebody is gonna throw 6.8SPC in the comments. Prolly be a Texan on top of that! it suppresses great, was designed for shorter barrels, and since going more than about 150yds with a thermal is sketchy, it's the perfect choice for reliability and energy out of an AR-15 pattern carbine y'all should get Todd Huey from Lone Star Boars on here sometime to talk about the "Jihog"

[@mblake0420]

Use both and they both work, 110 vmax for 2 legs, 125 sst 19 grain Lil gun 4 legs, 62 grain 29.6 grain 2000mr gold dot/fusion for everything the end

[@Bshwag]

I would rely like to see 6.5 grendel vs 6mm arc vs 22arc

[@Yeoman7]

I second that.

[@Stakkatoking]

I just got a box of the 62gr Fusion 2 days ago. They shoot fine on paper. I'm in Europe and use my .223 with 55gr bullets for predators and roe deer, which is about a quarter the weight of white-tail apparently. In most jurisdictions here .223 would be illegal for anything larger, e.g. red deer. Here in Germany the requirement for roe is >1000J at 100m (very roughly 800 ft lb @ 100 yards?). I want to go up from the very common 55gr (lead) bullets to reduce velocity at shorter ranges to minimize meat damage (hematomas), and to retain energy at "longer" ranges of 100-200m.

[@jacobackley502]

Might try all copper bullets. I’ve found them to be much less destructive than lead core bullets

[@RayFortenberry-ry6tp]

Been hunting for many years. Got a CVA single shot pistol in 300 blackout for this season. Got a young buck with it at 115 yards with Barnes 110 grain factory ammo. Was impressed with the results. Passed through the chest at that distance. Off of a bog tripod. 2X Burris scope. First ever with a pistol. Fun little hunting rig

[@OutlawGRUNT]

After watching this video, I’m even more confident with the 62gr Federal bonded bullets!

[@DanielPhillips86VA]

Took an 8pt buck this year for the first time with my Ruger Ranch in 300blk using Winchester 150gr XP. Complete pass through at 75 yards, placed right behind the shoulder. Entered directly into a rib and had a tumble oriented exit wound. Regardless, resulted in less than 50 yards of tracking. One concern was that there was no blood trail whatsoever. However, where he expired, blood was flowing down the edge of the mountain in a staggering amount. Overall I’d call it success, but still concerning. Having only one sample to base my analysis, I’d like to confirm clean lethality one more time before allowing my 7 year old to use this as his first deer rifle. Great Video!

[@db2teg383]

I used to use the same round and had basically the exact same result. Switched to the Barnes and no problem now

[@jaredlee9525]

Took 2 doe this year with a 14.5” and a 16” ar…75 gr Hornady frontier the 14.5” was at 25 yards phenomenal performance…the second was at 165 yards and both were extremely effective!!! First dropped in her tracks (high shoulder shot) second ran 20 yards and fell (double lung)!!!

[@devinjacksen3790]

Love seeing these comparisons with firsthand knowledge.

[@hghunter44]

I have had good luck with the Barnes 110grain TAC-TX on deer. I have used the Barnes 55 grain TTSX in my 22-250 for deer as well.

[@philpayne5313]

120 TTSX in 7mm-08 is money

[@joebowman8204]

Big fan of the Fed Fusion in my 308 and 6.5CM. But I may give the Barnes a try in 556 on whitetail doe next season.

[@diggernash1]

62 gn gold dots perform well in .223; 110 tac-tx and 125 gn ballistic tips work well in 300 blk

[@shanescott3168]

I harvested a doe last week with a RAR in .300 BLK. The bullet performed well. .300 BLK supersonic has less recoil and muzzle blast than other deer cartridges. I have taken deer, hogs, and turkeys with my .300 BLK AR. I would choose .300 BLK with supersonic ammo every time over .223 Rem.

[@rms0719]

my boy (13) loves a little .222 that was left to me years ago but he wanted to go on an axis hunt this year and bought him a 300 blk. one doe, double lung from 40 yards went 20 feet and looked like someone dumped a 5 gallon bucket of red paint from shot site to where she laid. got a buck from 95 yards and had him take a high shoulder and anchored him right there. found the bullet just under the skin on the other side. both was a 110 grain hornady cx. both of us have come to love the little gun and long as its within reasonable range it does its job well.

[@Magnum_Express]

As for the lead vs copper debate, from the countless gel tests I watched of both, I dont think shedding weight matters as much as just creating a large cavity a the depths of an animals vital organ. I like seeing large craters in that gel , more than I like seeing pencil thin tracks that exit out the back of the gel. As long as the bullet you're using has adequate expansion , where it needs to be in the animal, use whichever is required by law or shoots better. That said if i ever hunted grizzly or moose, I'd take a copper bullet every day of the week over a lead bullet.

[@MadMaxZ06]

I used a factory loaded Barnes 120gr. TAC-TX BT .300Blk fired from a 16” barreled AR15 on a doe at about 50-yards and the ONLY characteristic about the performance that was underwhelming in ANY regard would be the size of the exit wound! While it did exit after engaging AND breaking both shoulders, the exit wound did NOT look like a .308Win or .270Win. The trauma inside the doe looked VERY high powered rifle, just not the exit wound.

[@cristianespinal9917]

I had the opposite experience with the 110 gr Tac-TX. The entrance was like a pinprick and the internal damage was as good as with any high-powered rifle, but the exit looked like a small broadhead.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@cristianespinal9917I don’t think that’s opposite at all, seems like your both describing the same thing just describing the exit a little differently.

[@cristianespinal9917]

@@jaydunbar7538 yea, fair, not quite the opposite. We both had great internal damage, which is really the point.

[@HB-kp6rl]

Mark has good some solid choices on bullet retention weights. I remember the episode he was spot on both cartridges

[@Joeatsaco69]

I have moved to the 300BO. I do still have a 223 for NV only because it’s already set up. A disappointment I had was a Sierra (I think) in 110 JHP in 300. It looked like a 357 Mag round. It impacted on a hogs shoulder. It did break the shoulder but did not penetrate. I had to follow it up when I recovered. So it is a personal defense round now. Hogs need a pointed tip. On a deer it might have been fine. Don’t shoot light stuff on Armored targets.

[@ShootingUtah]

Sounds like it was a 30 caliber bullet made for 30 Carbine. I've tried some 110 grain bullets designed for 30 carbine in 300 blackout as well and the accuracy sucked. I never did hunt with them.

[@CantVoteYourWayOutOfTyranny]

Everytime I listen to these shows I pick up something new

[@chadillac95]

27:42 a simple way to look at it, in my opinion, is that copper needs velocity to open up. So if you drop bullet weight and gain velocity, your bullet will perform better

[@scotteger6271]

All bullets need velocity to open up. Copper just thrives on speed. With some bullets they don’t survive high velocity impacts well, but generally copper will handle it just fine. The problem is, the minimum velocity for expansion usually happens sooner with copper than something like lead. So you just have to know your minimum velocity range and you’re good.

[@chadillac95]

@scotteger6271 yes. To elaborate on what I said, the higher the velocity, the more a copper bullet will open up. To put it in perspective for numbers people. Most the older copper bullets would expand DOWN TO 2200 fps. The new barnes LRX claims to open up down to 1600 fps. A basic cup and core bullet expands down to 1400 fps, and a bonded bullet will expand down to 1800 fps. So if you can get a copper bullet to start off going faster right out of the barrel, it'll travel further down range before it's not as effective

[@scotteger6271]

@@chadillac95 correct we’re saying essentially the same things

[@jacobackley502]

@@chadillac95 the 110gr tac tx black tip that really made 300blk shine opens up down to 1400fps (principally because it’s a large hollow point, almost pistol sized, once the plastic tip blows away). I’ve found most 30 cal jsps really don’t open up much below 1800, with almost none below 1700. The one exception was the speer 150gr btsp. That one had some modest flattening at ~1500 fps which blew my mind.

[@chipsterb4946]

@@jacobackley502thanks - good to know. People often don’t pay attention to the effective velocity range for any given bullet.

[@dotmoredots9370]

Federal fusion i a ruger American 300blk, sandman k suppressor and federal fusion ..Worked on a 175lbs 8pt this yr for me . Seeing the results id use it again for under 150yd shots No experience past that distance to have an opinion yet think i have 2 recovered one from this one and one from a 7mm-08

[@robertsebacher44]

Why not go with 350 legend? You can hunt in straight wall states and move up to 30:30 ballistics. It fits in a AR 15.

[@david-lisaharden2100]

Try comparing the .30-30 and the .300 aac and see how they compare.

[@whatsmolly5741]

Barnes 110 and 120 tac tx tips get stuck in my lee die when reloading : /

[@PietWolmarans]

Nice video guys, as always very informative, I have a suggestion. 300blk vs 300hamr with 110gr Barnes in those gel blocks

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Both are just fine. Obviously when one goes smaller on the cartridge the margin of error goes down, but they still work. Out of the 2 id pick 300BLK for some versatility.

[@blakebarnett5078]

So far my sons has shot 4 deer with 223 75gr hornady frontier. 3 does and 1 good size buck. Buck was high shoulder shot. Dropped him stopped and the cape on the off side 100 yards the does were 50 and in behind the shoulder 5 steps and fell over dead. The inside of the chest looked like they had a granade go off. Just picked up a 6.5 grendel. Have been looking at the ruger american gen 2 just can't make up my mind 300 blk or 6.5 grendel love the idea of both.

[@MustacheBallistics]

I’ve had success with 300blk on three bucks 75 yards and in. Shooting Hornady black 110gr vmax.

[@Wheelchair-bear]

Hammer Time? It seems that Hammer Bullets are tailor made for Ryan. Any chance you would experiment with the Tipted Hammer Hunter Bullets, or get Steve from Hammer on the the podcast?

[@cbvidieo]

I agree, Hammer bullets are faster and more accurate than Barns, but more expensive also.

[@BrentforMLA]

More expensive but worth it.

[@Wheelchair-bear]

​@@cbvidieoThey also preform differently, the Hammers are more explosive with better penitration.

[@shawnhalloran3672]

Ryan I wish i could send you guys some pictures of the deer I took this last season i know you guys would get a kick out of the results. I worked up an amazing load for my .300 Weatherby using a Barnes 120Gr TAC-TX leaving the barrel at 3700FPS!!! The first deer was at 154YDS and the second deer was at 50YDS. Neither one took a step I’ve never seen a deer die so fast in my life!

[@maker_greg]

Is Ryan gonna try the 95gr barnes lrx in his new 6 arc? Very curious what results that will get.

[@czguy3045]

Here in Indiana, between the two, I'd definitely lean towards the 300 with a quality 110 to 125 Gr projectile but the 223/556 loading with one of the Gold Dots is great as well. I'm 99% sure the Gold Dot loading is the same as the Fusion in the 223/556. We have big deer here so even if the 223 was legal, I'd be disinclined to use it, but I 100% know they will work here so I'm sure they'd work where the deer are usually well under 200 lbs.

[@Owen-cq3vm]

Have used 222 Remington on mist of my deer. Will try my 300. Aac this year. I like tac tx by Barnes out of my mcx

[@mr.mr.3301]

If there is a cartridge you wish would become more popular I suspect if Vortex did a gel test and if it performed well it would help give that cartridge life.

[@LucasBoone318]

Personal preference when using a 300 BLK, the 130 gr Remington Hog Hammer rounds. They use the Barnes TSX and are awesome on deer. The all copper HPBT is an excellent round. Still has a healthy weight with good speed inside 100 yards.

[@madmod]

Im genuinely surprised by the performance of the 223

[@kylecarpenter40]

Here's an idea for a podcast. Cover Cartridge Efficiency, 300 AAC for example to a 30-30. 22 ARC to a 22-250. There are so many modern cartridges that will make you scratch your head how they're able to achieve like performances to some of their older brothers.

[@scotteger6271]

Optimization of the case, powder, bullet shape/size/weight and also optimization of the rifle/weapons platform. We learn from the past and make subtle improvements. Like direct injection in cars…not a radical change but man what a result. Look at the tried and true 9mm and you have a newer cartridge like 30 Super Carry. Achieves basically the same penetration with less recoil and increased magazine capacity. We took what we learned over decades with the 9mm and made subtle improvements…borrowing from other cartridges and things we learned, like how the 6.5 Creedmoor penetrates more than a 308 in most cases

[@kevinsulak4258]

Would love to see a comparison in gel of the traditional lead tipped Remington core lokt against the newer polymer tipped core lokt

[@philbyrd5561]

why did you not shoot as a third category the sub soniic 190gr hornadyy subx... its designed to expand at low velocity ... also 205 punisher gorrilla solid copper...

[@jfess1911]

An interesting thing about the 300 BO is that it frustrates some shooters who mainly run supersonic loads. The cartridge was optimized for subsonic use with heavy bullets and can be picky with supersonic ones, especially if the shooter wants consistent sub-moa groups. It can be argues that even a 3 MOA gun is fine for the effective big-game hunting range of the 300 BO, but most hunters want something more accurate. The author of the Rifleshooter website even published an article entitled "300 BLK accuracy problems? Maybe it isn’t you…". His first 300 BO tended to group around 2 MOA and, although he eventually got his precision rifle with a Bartlein barrel to group well, it took 26 loads before he got there.

[@jeramystephens74]

Curious why they didn't use 150 gr Fusion out of the 300BO instead of the blue box. Not sure if there would be that big of a difference.

[@timothythompson6549]

Mark, after watching the short barrel episode multiple times I'm looking really hard at the CVA Cascade SB for a hunting rufle. Maybe even with a LPVO.

[@bigfastdodge]

6.8spc vs .308

[@jasoncarr551]

6.8 SPC vs 25x45 sharps

[@Perry2186]

I have used a 125gr sst 300blk on a groundhog

[@dukedenarie5858]

Congratulations on your KZbin plaque! I was just thinking the other day that you should be there soon. This appears to be a bit belated.

[@ethan5.56]

I’ve been running some 62 grain controlled chaos in my 12.5 5.56 AR

[@fatbackcrowe2448]

Shot a nice 8pt buck at about 75 yards with 300BLK Gorilla 115 Pig Punisher Controlled Chaos and it didn't penetrate the shoulder-blade. wont use it again for hunting.

[@powerbagle]

What bullet and caliber?

[@fatbackcrowe2448]

oops @@powerbagle

[@powerbagle]

Interesting, the core should have gotten through.

[@fatbackcrowe2448]

It fragmented , part of it even went through the ear and antler. It had fragments in the neck as well.@@powerbagle

[@brenn330]

Would love to see some of the 300 subs performance in gel at 50 and 100.

[@scotteger6271]

Tough part is getting ones that expand. Hornady makes the Sub-X, which is designed to expand even at subsonic speeds

[@brenn330]

​@scotteger6271 not to many factory options. Gorilla ammo makes a couple really interesting offerings.

[@scotteger6271]

@@brenn330 also check out Defiant Munitions

[@givaghi]

Not sure… can’t remmember… you have for sure a podcast on each on separately… but did you ever do a cartridge talk 6mm ARC vs 6.5 Grendel?

[@jeramystephens74]

I'd like to see that also

[@Jay-d9p6o]

Chuck in the 6mm max

[@jmmette82]

Recorded on December 19th? Ryans watch..

[@jrhunt414]

22 mag vs 22lr next.

[@skippygus73]

55 tsx is just fine for Does and small spikes. I don't have any experience with the 110s nor AAC but I would think that it would be better for wound creation. I don't plan on using the blackout but moving towards 300 Ham'r instead in that type caliber. My first choice with the ar15 is still going to be the 6 ARC for so many reasons in particular how well the 80 grain TTSX or CX are performing for me. I'm also seeing tremendously favorable results with the 108 eld for pigs, I don't think I'd use it for deer though.

[@joshtrauger3088]

How far are you shooting with that 80 grain barnes? And what length barrel?

[@skippygus73]

@@joshtrauger3088 18" Odin hunting self limited to 200. Have hit steel out to 500. 3 weeks ago I got a double on a pair of 90 lb hogs at 130 yds and neither took a step with the CX. My gun likes the TTSX a little better on both accuracy and a tiny bit faster but they are a little harder to get at my local shop.

[@joshtrauger3088]

@skippygus73 nice. I'm looking to be able to reach out 400 yards. Thinking the 90 cx or 95 lrx out of a bolt gun will maybe do it. Gotta make some loads and run some numbers. Thanks for info.

[@skippygus73]

@@joshtrauger3088 I think making hits to 400 won't be the problem but speed at impact will be. If you can get the lrx to hit above 1900 fps it would work. I haven't found a great LRX load for me yet that is accurate as I'd like plus the speed is a bit low for me. I've got a 21" barrel I also load for that does like longer bullets like the LRX that I'm going to test once the weather gets better. Also going to try varget instead of LVR for it for a better temp stable load. I've found a few options that perform better at range. For me if I'm shooting that far I'm going with the eld x or Berger 105 hunter. They perform better at lower speeds for me. Hopefully those are an option for you. From a bolt gun you do have better options at range for sure best of luck to you.

[@leejohnson2024]

I love my 300 blk, in an AR pistol, an AR rifle, even a cz bolt, I love my 300 blk after a ham breakfast.

[@mb391]

I have loaded 70gr tsx for my savage axis 1:10 twist .223 rem and got 3 shots in an inch with varget and cfe 223 was a little more dispersed at 100 yds. The velocity was in the mid 27's w varget and low 28's w cfe223. Haven't got to hunt a deer yet but will attempt this fall if I am lucky.

[@paisleyprince5280]

Shot placement....

[@Steve-ev6vx]

Proper cartridge choice too.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Ethical margin of error.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

Its not a comparison between t28 and 22lr... captom obvious

[@adamlohman6206]

Big hole = better

[@fnkdtnk]

@@adamlohman6206correct, and sometimes small bullets moving very fast make bigger holes than big bullets moving 2/3 as fast.

[@DavidEmpey-p4h]

Can you guys do 300 prc VS 7 prc or your choice. Thanks for all you guys do. Love your content.

[@brodiewright7962]

How is it you guys have a better show about ammo/guns/glass/all things hunting-shooting than hornady or frankly any other show in the space? Keep it humming! Ryan knows so much I’d listen to him read the reloading manual and commentary on it.

[@derekdonkoh1846]

Great discussion! My question is from the perspective of PDW using 300 Blackout subs. There are a lot of 9mm Carbines and with new technology in ballistics (I run 9mm G9 Defense, no endorsement) is there a true difference in terminal performance between using the 300 Blackout sub vs 9mm EHP or JHP?

[@bryanshull372]

If you like the 223 sized case look at the 25-45 Sharps. It is also just a barrel change. Very easy to form from 223/556 brass and no trimming necessary or very little. 6.5 Grendel and 250 savage performance. I'm getting around 2600 fps with 110 grain FTXs and 26.5 grains of Ram Tac. 117 grain Hornady is about the same with the 120 grain going a respectable 2475 fps. The 250-3000 Savage had as its claim to fame the first cartridge to reach 3000 fps. It did so with I think an 80 grain bullet. The 25-45 Sharps also can hit that velocity with the standard lead core bullets. However, like you Ryan I also love the Barnes bullets. I loaded 80 grain ttsx to 2989 fps and 100 grain tsx to 2767 fps. This is a reloaders dream cartridge and it doubles the effective range of the "Modern Sporting Rifle" in 223/556 or 300blk.

[@Steve-ev6vx]

Now that's a round I would be comfortable with. I just couldn't go below quarter bore for medium size game.

[@bryanshull372]

@@Steve-ev6vx check it out, I just bought the barrel and dies and started forming brass from Lake City surplus. I used cci 41 primers and Ram Tac powder. Even though these loads are compressed I had no preassure signs. This is the only powder I have tried because I have 8 pounds of it.

[@30rdmaga]

8.6 blk 👀

[@derrictaylor1181]

A 6" 300blk shooting 124gr projectiles has more energy on target than a 10.5" 5.56 shooting M193.

[@jaydunbar7538]

I like my 20”, but I’m a fan of velocity.

[@derrictaylor1181]

@@jaydunbar7538 I mean duh, that's what it's designed for. It's also not 30' long once you add a can to the muzzle. With my deadair sandman S on the 6" it's shorter than a 10.5" with just an A2 flash hider. Also made hits at 300 yards with supers and subs.

[@-Zevin-]

Energy on target is kind of like "stopping power" it also doesn't in practice mean much. .223 is extremely efficient. 300blk has its merits sure, especially in the realm of suppression, however I think .223/5.56 is consistently underestimated, especially in the hunting community. The Navy seals use the MK12 SPR 18 barrel 5.56, they determined with a 77grain Sierra TMK it is lethal on human targets out to 600 meters or almost 700 yards. Of course Deer aren't humans, but that just goes to show what modern bullets can do and how effective small caliber can be.

[@derrictaylor1181]

@@-Zevin- that's not my argument. 300blk in shorter configurations like a 6" barrel are way more effective than 5.56 with the same barrel length.

[@-Zevin-]

@@derrictaylor1181 You said energy on target, I was pointing out energy delivered itself can be a meaningless metric. You aren't wrong though that shorter barreled rifles do better with larger calibers. This likely has to do with powder burn rate. The smaller the diameter the more it benefits from barrel length. On the extreme end it's why Russia went with a .50cal bullpup rifle for CQC, short barrel + very high grain weights allow for incredible suppression effectiveness.

[@gsitzkowitz]

Ok, I know I’m a pain but I can’t help it! You need to contact Wilson Combat and get a 300 Hamr! Wilson has bought Lehigh defense and is manufacturing bullets specifically for the BLK and the Hamr. Not only does it make the BLK a more viable cartridge but it absolutely make the Hamr a rock star! I think you be shocked and I think your viewers who hunt with ARs would be well served. And no I don’t work for Wilson! I would like to see a comparison of the Hamr to the Grendel.

[@australianaxisdeerhunter7443]

Good comparison, though I think Ryan too easily dismisses .223 with heavy for caliber projectiles. A 77gr Sierra MK impacting around 2800 fps is nothing to sneeze at.

[@wahyasaquii7563]

The Mark 262 has entered the chat…

[@JeffDeibert]

Northwest guy says drift fishing…and the Midwest guy says ,”oh yeah, like a bobber”. 😂

[@Jeffreyperez-rp6ow]

Totally off topic, sorry fellas, but I'm still looking forward to a discussion on the .358 😁

[@bertpulaski2492]

While I have both and have used both on whitetails, they are effective. I personally prefer to use a little more gun, 243win is my minimum. Yes shot placement is KEY with any cartridge. It’s just not first go to rounds. Now, coyotes and hogs (depending on location I’m hunting) are definitely ones I grab. Now the .300blk is one of my favorites to reload and is stupid fun to shoot, especially subsonic out of a bolt gun. Here’s the kicker for me, I’m also typically not going for an AR patterned rifle. I do have them but I prefer bolt guns due to ease of policing brass for reloading purposes. Would I let a child use either of these rounds? They have to show proven accuracy with that specific combo before I even consider letting them use it.

[@ronws2007]

Both are great ideas for a close range. Definitely less than 100 yards. It also depends on the state regs. In Texas, on public land, TPWD requires that for deer hunting you shoot no less than a .243 W (or 6 mm equivalent.) On private land, you might okay with a .223. On public land, you would need the .300 BO, even if you had tuned up a .223 to perform better. Sometimes, rules make sense, other times, they do not. In Texas for archery hunt, you can use a simple recurve, a compound, or a crossbow. Except for 4 north Texas counties where you can hunt with a crossbow only if you have a doctor's note and I am not kidding.

[@nreyes1100]

What you be your sub pick Pigs or deer 300aac - 50 yards and in

[@Spruce-Bug]

Those guilded metal bullets dont seem to drop animals like bonded bullets do its been 3 times now that a TSX bullet has zipped through with no obvious expansion looking at the exit wound.

[@vernehambone3590]

300 BLK: Super-110 TAC-TX with H110 Subsonic-200 Grain Maker Rex

[@jbuck9821]

I have and like my .300 AAC. I like that it is capable of both hyper and subsonic. However, if I were to focus on supersonic for hunting (and wanted a 30 caliber bullet out of an AR-15/MSR) I find the 300 HAM'R very interesting. I like that it is not shortened to fit the long heavy for caliber projectiles. So with the 110gr, it is over 250fps faster than the AAC.

[@Bill-B00]

Has Ryan tried Maker bullets since he likes Barnes? Maker seems to have a larger selection than Barnes

[@wesr1490]

The federal fusion definitely has really good penetration but if you don't hit anything from what I've seen it just punches a hole through. My dad was using them in his 270 and after shooting a couple does (one was never recovered, the other we found but there was no blood trail and just a small hole on each side) he switched to the Hornady Superformance SST that I've been using in my 06 for years. Now if he would have hit either in the shoulder I think it would have dropped them but he didn't and the results weren't great. I personally like shooting just behind the shoulder myself and try not to ruin any meat.

[@Jay-d9p6o]

I would really like to see the new 6 max cartridge

[@williambehrend5452]

There's a few companies making the 300blk in bolt guns and they are a riot to shoot

[@Ruggedpony6arc]

6Arc vs 6.5 Grendel gel test please!!

[@Jay-d9p6o]

vs 6mm max

[@K-bob_45]

I want to see 300 blk vs 44 magnum. Frontal area vs velocity. Similar powder capacity and similar KE. 44 carbine vs 300 blk carbine

[@mrmr5843]

😂”tick-tick-tick”….. (long pause) “we’ll review the video later”😂😂

[@rikertvonfulton16]

223 is 200 yards or less. Very effective on whitetail.

[@adamwiggins5777]

6mm ARC vs 6.5 Grendel please

[@WayStedYou]

23:00 that looks like its already at the edge of even opening up @ 100 yards The 30-30 you bring up right after has that meaty flat lead front that makes it open up and transfer the energy even if its on paper ft-lbs don't always measure up to the 300 BO/7.62x39 etc.

[@daviddroescher]

¿Where is the line drawn between good expansion and over expanded;? The peddles folded to tuching seams like over expanded, without knowing the distinction of the difference.

[@JB-dz2bm]

6.5 grendel vs 6.8 SPC?

[@tombotting3345]

I would opt to buy a 350 legend for a young hunter. I bought my daughter a 350 legend

[@textucker3909]

Took a Texas white tail with Hornady 127? Gr. in a Remington 700 If I recall correctly, zeroed at 100, you were never more than 1 1/2" off from muzzle to 200 yds. Heart/lung shot dropped that deer with only one hop/step. Ballistics tables put the energy @ 200 yds as the same as a 125 gr .357 at the muzzle. Now I just need a suppressor....

[@joelodjick230]

Very cool show! lol @ "knockdown" though

[@jwoo1800]

Don’t know if it’s the bullet or the loading but my Savage 111 in 7mm Rem Mag despises the Federal Fusion rounds. Sub MOA gun with several different rounds. Will NOT shoot Fusions

[@Mr.Run-n-Gun]

5.56 vs 300 blk in AR pistol format (10ish" barrels). As Ryan knows Minnesota allows pistols for deer and not rifles. 300blk walks away clear winner.

[@dingdongmagee]

Shout out to Scott H for sending me the best hat Ive ever had!

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

Can someone design a. Umber to handle 400 grain in a 308. For subs out of some 300 win mag action.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

And not 8.6, just a very long 30 call cooper etc

[@Rico11b]

The Military doesn't use a .223 Remington. They use the 5.56mm which is the "militarized" version of the .223 Remington, and it has much greater chamber pressures than the .223. The .223 has enjoyed "decades and decades" of hunting medium game like Whitetail Deer. Your 100 yard and less is just BS! Whitetail can be dropped in 1 shot from much greater distances than 100 yards with the .223. That's a cop-out to claim that 100 yards is the max distance. You're just repeating foolish "assumptions" you've heard some other fool say.

[@K-bob_45]

Lethality vs the ability to anchor said animal reliably are different things.

[@Rico11b]

@@K-bob_45 That's laughable. I've seen deer run away and take 45 mins to find even after getting drilled through heart/lungs with a 300 win mag. So much for "anchoring". Over my many years of hunting I've seen DOZENS of Whitetail run away from solid hits with 30-06. Again, so much for "anchoring".

[@StephenFlock]

Subs and bullets that would expand

[@huntincolby7]

Cartridge talk 257wby mag