Ep 38. Creamy Castes

[@alicekerketta4230]

All non savarnas should pitch in together and create a museum of caste atrocities. That will regurgitate people's memories on why we need reservation for years to come.

[@escapistreader3860]

Our thinking matches so much.

[@bhisham2687]

This is law of nature, weak will always get oppressed, keep playing victim card till someone makes u his true victim😅

[@scholarpradeep]

Good idea 👍

[@bhisham2687]

@@alicekerketta4230 keep playing victim card🤡😂😂😂😂

[@alicekerketta4230]

​@SushantGope-d3gif our ancestors would have given up we all wouldn't even be here. Let's not give into negative feelings and keep fighting. Our fight is what keeps our legacy intact. As DBA we don't have the option to give up. I know young kids are getting very disheartened and that is why I recommend looking at stories of our icons who literally turned the wheels of times just so we could have a better life. We absolutely must not give up.

[@123xyzabccba]

The progress of mahars of maharashtra is mainly because of their change in mindset after converting to buddhism. They showed the courage to throw away all hindu gods out of their life permanently and got emancipated from the yoke of bammanism which ascribed lowly status to non-bammans. This very act of defying gods instilled the kind of confidence into this caste which was more then enough to take on the parasitic bamman+bania+kshatri combo.

[@chirasreepal]

Professor Ravikant, this was a very informative episode. Absolutely loved your insights. Thank you very much!

[@x.y.1215]

Professor, these videos are so informative. I learned about the caste system - I mean, really learned about the caste system, about a decade ago. It boggles my mind that the world is not aware of the caste system as a massive crime against humanity. But then, after befriending a Brahmin for a few years, I understood why. When I first met this person, I was immediately informed of this person’s caste. In my mind, that meant that this person did not eat meat. That’s it. How wrong was I. The comments made about other castes and religions, the idea that Hinduism was “scientific” and all other religions being ignorant of its superiority, the racism this person had against people of darker color…it goes on. What I realized was that this was common. So I started to research and learn about the caste system. It’s thousands of years of mind control. I didn’t even know how much names gave away. It was like walking into a world of people being categorized and judged without ever knowing the individual. I am so grateful that I have never had to understand this atrocious system, but one has to understand it to understand the politics of Bharat and the people. The more I learn the subtleties of this issue, the more layers of insanity are revealed. I now also understand why the desis in the West who hold high positions or come from prestigious institutions are honestly not that bright. I thought it was just me. Even the Brahmin friend was a PhD, and yet was often one of the most clueless people around. Now I get how this happens. Thank you for making these videos, talking openly about these issues, and making people not familiar aware of the smoke and mirrors savarnas use in the West to distract people from really understanding the diabolic nature of the caste system.

[@sarceexplores]

Happened to start watching this episode, unknowingly, after CJI's recent comments on how he found the solution to a case and the intro just hits home with how so many of us are feeling right now.

[@thomascromwell6840]

You're my new favourite podcast if this is a podcast.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

10/10 Thumbnail 🥛

[@123xyzabccba]

It was in 1984 Prakash Ambedkar the grandson of Dr Ambedkar had first organised a massive Morcha demanding implementation of Mandal Commission

[@123xyzabccba]

@@gauravjaina965 : Similar accusations were made against mulayam yadav , laalu yadav kanshiram ….whoever tried to open a third front. Why is kejriwal not accused for causing the defeat of congress in delhi and punjab ……

[@123xyzabccba]

@@gauravjaina965 : perhaps ur unaware of the political realities of Maharashtra. Actually it’s in the interest of all major parties like congress and bjp to keep Ambedkarite politics suppressed otherwise it has the essence of attracting all subalterns and minorities and cause decimation of manuwadi parties like congress cpm cpi ncp bjp et al…hence they all gang up against anybody who is seen to lead Ambedkarite movement. Prakash Ambedkar was always targeted by congress , bjp and others so that a strong bahujan leadership does not rise and power pendulums between manuwadi parties. Besides political mathematics the manuwadi also use the time tested weapon of character assassination to defame bahujan idols like Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj, Mahatma phule, Tukaram, Sambhaji, Shahu, Ambedkar et al ….all those accusing PA as B team of bjp are cunningly quiet on AAP , Trinamul, Ncp etc whose rise has been only at the cost of the congress…,

[@123xyzabccba]

@@gauravjaina965 : i gave a comprehensive reply so that there r no more questions; as it is Politics makes strange bedfellows…..It wld be wise enough if PA makes a strategic alliance with bjp otherwise he’ll b taken for granted as always …..

[@123xyzabccba]

@@gauravjaina965 : not ‘joining’ its aligning for political gains ….like bsp under kanshiram …..

[@Homosapiens0804]

If you have any SC ST OBC, in Psychology, Anthropology, Zoology, Primatology department, u will be able to understand the case of JUSTICE GAVAI and many like him. I was put in similar case like him, but overcome the mental pressure which was put on because I have done Masters in Zoology, was interested in primatology, psychology and social behaviour subject, so my knowledge and instincts made me aware of what is going around me. I do know and realise the social prejudice antiques and self interest element which work in these cases, how the dominant ones play it. Though i am not a phd so my knowledge is limited, but experience has taught me lot about these social prejudice and caste elements in it.

[@drjagritisingh6569]

Seriously,vacancies are never fully filled for sc st obc .

[@x.y.1215]

Professor, there are very few people who are able to relate the layers of caste issues to a larger audience. Bharat needs people like you to be around for many more years. You are a valuable human being with a sharp intellect. I’m sure you’ve heard this many times, but…please - please stop smoking.

[@drjagritisingh6569]

Uttar pradesh mein sharma aur eastern Uttar pradesh baniyas obc mein aate hain and i swear my uncle's friend 's Tripathi family rejected the rishta of a diwedi because diwedis are lower than them and diwedi guy was an IRS officer and my uncle's friend's sister was a lower rank officer. Offcer rank doesn't make you eligible for rishta for upper caste families. I was like what the F.

[@HDB41]

So what's the problem? it's ok to marry on the basis of class and rank, but wrong to do it on the basis of caste, race, or religion? marry someone of your own caste, it's not like an IRS officer won't get a good rishta in his own caste.

[@akshay104]

​@@HDB41ur high on idiocracy

[@kapiljangid7784]

Thank you so much for your time.

[@keshavmonga9199]

Hi Ravikant, thank you for the episode. I wanted to let you know that there is a sound quality issue in the spotify version as compared to the KZbin version.

[@BuffaloIntellectual]

its been a recurring issue since I started recording the video-- but this episode I finally think I figured out the cause. next episode should be fine. sorry for the incovenience-- i dont have a team, i do everything on my own so production quality control is a little sub par.

[@saltypeanutOP]

@@BuffaloIntellectual love you man take your time

[@clot27]

1:20:00 agreed, as a yadav. My community thinks we are so powerful coz we had multiple CMs bla bla, we are just selfish.

[@nachiketmore3375]

PLEASE SIR,MAKE MORE VIDEO I NEED YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND PERSPECTIVE. TY

[@aryashreemazumder4323]

Spot on! Loved it💛

[@medialords8647]

वर्गीकरण में बहुत पेच हैं। 1 ): सीट पूरी भरी ही नही जाती NFS लगा के खाली छोड़ देते हैं फिर बाद में genral को भरते हैं। 2 ): पहले exam में ज्यादा नंबर आने पे sc,st को जनरल में डाल देते थे और लिस्ट में नीचे रह गए को आरक्षण खुद ही मिल जाता था जिसको बीजेपी ने बंद किया कि कैटेगरी चेंज नही होगी। 3 ): sc,st obc में अगर subcatgory बनानी है तो caste census करवाओ ताकि उचित रिप्रेजेंटेशन उनकी संख्या के हिसाब से मिले। 3 ): वर्गीकरण का डर ये है कि जब ये अभी NFS लगा के सीट को जनरल को दे देते हैं फिर आरक्षण ना कमज़ोर को मिलेगा ना मजबूत जाति को मिलेगा और कुछ साल बाद बोलेंगे अब आरक्षण की जरूरत नहीं रही क्योंकि लोग ही नही हैं काबिल। सवाल ये उठता है कि सवर्णों को इतना विरोध क्यों है जाति जनगणना से अगर इनको इतनी फिकर है... मतलब बीमारी के लिए test,xray नही करेंगे ताकि बीमारी का इलाज हो सके।

[@sohampablo]

This was a particular listen. The country is a veritable bonfire of the corpse of morality.

[@KumarMadao]

Prof. Ravikant in the initial video caste is in my mind.

[@desi_anarch]

Prof sahab we need an ambedkarite reading list

[@mazhab77]

When will Savarnas address the Creamy Layers in their lot, I wonder 🤣

[@ARCHxPRO]

hey can you make it in 1080p ?

[@drscience_xo]

sir big fan i think you should make an episode of just rss its history and its future

[@alicekerketta4230]

Was waiting for this video. Full paisa vasool. You have covered everything a person needs to look at when talking about this topic. Funny how government wants to survey benefits of reservation and yet we have no report on how caste benefits people. If they actually conduct caste census the entire Gen Cat will fall in Creamy layer.

[@RuhmCo]

Sir I need to stop listening to your podcasts because I'm watching my ignorance and stupidity decrease with every episode that I listen to. And that is not a good thing if I want to make a good career. I cannot afford to be any less stupid than what you want us to be. I'm sorry sir.

[@BuffaloIntellectual]

Plz stop listening and build a career. Then hire me 🙏🏽

[@RaditorRadiator]

Thank god I am a savarna. I would never have survived the day to day oppression

[@BattleGod-z6t]

what is your caste?

[@AksharaAbigail-hh1yr]

Honest Lindu

[@am.e.r102]

brilliant breakdown. really needed this

[@medialords8647]

I strongly think caste census make things clear..जैसे बिहार में लोग सोचते थे है जगह obc में हर जगह यादव ही दिखते हैं लेकिन बिहार में caste census में क्लियर हुआ की उनकी जनसंख्या ज्यादा है लगभग 17% यादव थे...जिसकी जितनी संख्या उसको उसी के अनुपात में प्रतिनिधित्व मिलना चाहिए।

[@harshrox2]

I have only one comment to make: why can't it be both ? I mean we can have same thing like hierarchal reservation, first extreme sc, then sc, then extreme deprived OBC and than OBC. And while what you are saying is correct the barrier to the issue is the documentation of proving yourself extreme OBCs when it shd be other way around. I.e, you can fill whatever you are but then govt shd take steps to correctly identify the categorization, and remove burden from people to go through this harrowing process. But then the issue that germinates from this is that it would invite rent seeking for certification by local bureaucracy. But what you are suggesting is good on paper , but it will make caste dynamics afroze. In the state they are in and be captured by elites groups and people of a sub classification. The representation point is foundation of caste based reservation of modern times. But representation is not only for optics but to create sensetization of issues within a administration. If the person who occupied this position have no lived experience regarding the same, then in the long run it will entrench new hierarchies, that is the point of caste census and periodic revision of communities and taking account of new bais software relative deprevation like class, these are not and cannot be the only factors . But the sadly the way our society and government function, it is extremely limited by these parameters. Just calling others as moron shows that you either unwilling to acknowledge new realites or belive that caste consciousness shd be the foundation of Indian politucs(nothing wrong in that) , but ignoring the point of all these claims in politics is to deliver empowerment to those left behind, the current EWS doesn't do that neither does current SC/ST quota. And while you are Correct in identifying NFS issue, the solution is not this or that but a combination of such strategies to deliver justicemore meningfully.

[@harshrox2]

Let us take a hypothetical scenario, let us assume we create category that sees that regular people who sell vegetables on the road side or those who sell fruits in the streets are a deprived class, so for "administrative convinence we designed a category said falwah and said , okay these people shd get x amount of reservation and then let us see all your and mine argument from this lens . You will get why ambanis who claim to to be fal walh or multiple retail brand owners or those who do bulk purchase and supply of fal or those who own high shops and own juice shops shd be excluded, it is not because fal walah are not deprived but rather it because the classification is not well targeted, doesn't account for change in socio-economic status within the community, relative deprivation and the structure remains frozen and is not readily updated due to political compulsions.

[@harshrox2]

Moreover categories like fal walha make state free of its responsibility to do actual meanifuful justice like enfirmcemt of minimum wage that is flexible to geo-economic realities and its failure to provide essential service like health. Eduaction etc

[@harshrox2]

At best fal walah categorization is partial solution to multidimensional issue , that obscure real issue and tries a quick band-aid solution to ground reality and its inertia to to change with social reality, which is evolving while the system is stuck in its antiquity and used for politicsand "caste consciousness" rather than actual issues of tacking ground issues.

[@harshrox2]

On grandfather comment, please don't reduce reservation to an individual issue it was never that it was always about categorization of people based on relative deprevation and segrgartion in society as a unit. My grandfather and father also faced similar circumstances, I have literally livedand played with pigs who eat their own shit And I being a general guy don't crib for getting reservation and will criticize EWS, this is not about individual it is about justice as concept that can help most people more effectively.

[@qwerty9797]

1:18:07: THIS, in itself, is an AD HOMINEM ATTACK and an ANECDOTAL FALLACY!!! 😤😤 Go to the logic prison now, and also, I'm so smart.

[@BuffaloIntellectual]

i see your ad hominem & raise you a strawman argument. now iam smarter! bR0!

[@123xyzabccba]

J Bela Trivedi gave the judgement which deviated from the majority only to create an impression that bammans are caste-neutral 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Homosapiens0804]

48:52

[@sakshampathak8289]

Sir you gave the gurjar example and i also support the caste system but dont you think the rich gujjars who are many times act as goons (you mentioned it as well) get the benefit the a poor gujjar cannot. So i think a creamy layer would definitely help a poor gujjar to get access to opportunities. Sub categorisation will create more divide in dalit movement but creamy layer will actually help the poor dalits.

[@Homosapiens0804]

Creamy layer is not beneficial for 1 generation educated poor as stated, rather it takes away any chances to progress in future endeavours of career progression, creamy layer with and without will not have much effect on rich ones as they already have other income sources , and getting in government institutions is just a plus point not the end all, while for 1 generation educated poor it is the end all. For eg. poor ones get a job of cleark through quota, but now they got aware and have some money to give at home but very restricted time for self progress, but still want to take other exam and want to further in career by going after better job position like bank po so it will be difficult for them to go through it compare to rich ones or general competition, as they don’t have much background to sustain such economic pressure as well as competitive exam pressure, they will be crushed much harder then so called rich ones because of creamy layer.

[@KarmavsWild]

👍👍👍

[@gharaanaa6587]

We are focusing on tiwari..but all we need to focus on is "justice" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@prasheekborkar123]

Bhai get a good camera it will really help

[@arnavgadpayle5013]

Destined to become a comedian Forced to become a teacher

[@navideology]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@gmi_edits8734]

39:41 I agree with you completely😅😅😂😂😂😂

[@realsbs]

The point u said I have OBC certificate but then go out to criticize itself...time to raise eyebrows

[@ripanchowdhury9992]

some good points, but a lot of ad hominem attacks, and most of all no mention of the abuse of the caste certificate a lot of individuals are doing.

[@BuffaloIntellectual]

Listen-- 1:17:42 🙏

[@ripanchowdhury9992]

@@BuffaloIntellectualexcellent rebuttal. Another ad hominem attack. Bravo 👏

[@kunalfadtare2056]

what data do you have for, 'abuse of caste certificate'? how many actually do it? is there actually some bases for you claim or is it just a speculation?

[@locus1289]

1:17:55

[@expiredparacetamol]

Bhai philosophy channel bna apna

[@dolllylanjhiyana1029]

🙌

[@ApoorvSrivastava-mq4iv]

bhai, hindi bhi use kiya karo! 80-20 (Hin-Eng)

[@anjelresearch703]

As always, you're damn too creative with your catchy titles and the subtle thumbnails.

[@ananyapatil7552]

People like you are the caste system never goes away. You are no better than the politicians. You just want to continue the reservations.

[@AksharaAbigail-hh1yr]

Ok Lindu , is reservation because of caste system or caste system because of reservation ?

[@piipiipuupuu1761]

@AksharaAbigail-hh1yr back to naala

[@dsyoutube-q8w]

Lol! Such profs and podcasts truly highlight the reason why "upper castes" have always dominated and will keep dominating the so called "lower castes". There is no vision beyond becoming "kallector", "keelark" or "home sekratery" in people of our "bhelaages". Nobody wants to be a doer. Everyone just wants to have a "post" either via reservation or blame the reservation for not getting such a post. Yet to see someone from the non savarna group advocating for creating a business community group, opportunity network, working towards helping their contemporary reach better positions economically and otherwise(like the "upper caste" people do). All efforts towards resentment and focus only on "gaarment jaabb" which is not lucrative enough for even single generation sustenance let alone multi generational thriving. And such profs(probably from savarna) come up to rage bait and disillusion the groups even further. Maybe on purpose? Coz if non savaranas become self sustaining and economically empowered, who will subscribe to their idea or revolution? Who will pay them fees for IAS coaching keelaasis?😂😂

[@Homosapiens0804]

People whose more than half of community live in hand to mouth situation, don’t have substantial percentage of intellectual class, don’t have substantial agricultural or any other kind of land ownership, and have only enough of finance to sustain 1 generation expenses considering current economy and inflation, Don’t have much to make substantial level of Economic buisness class, as u need consumers to sustain business, once your social identity will be known to open market consumers that business is going to be bycotted not only by the consumers but also by elements which work to make establish a business itself. The cold shoulder treatment these UC give to English speaking Middle class of SC ST students and professors in universities is an open secret, you think that same will not be reflected in so called Indian society, the society which do not let IPS groom of Sc st community to sit on a mere horse in his own wedding, CM goes to temple and later the temple is cleaned with gangajal. Do you even have any sort of reasonable mindset to understand the Caste element playout in this Indian society or are you one of those who practice Intentional Ignorance. Good luck for such intentional ignorance.

[@Homosapiens0804]

Kawand yatra of UP and name plating of even the small rediwalas , reflect that boycott practice, and u are talking about so called BUISNESSSS CLASSSSS ESTABLISHMENT.😂😂😂

[@Homosapiens0804]

People whose more than half of community live in hand to mouth situation, don’t have substantial percentage of intellectual class, don’t have substantial agricultural or any other kind of land ownership, and have only enough of finance to sustain 1 generation expenses considering current economy and inflation, Don’t have much to make substantial level of Economic buisness class, as u need consumers to sustain business, once your social identity will be known to open market consumers that business is going to be bycotted not only by the consumers but also by elements which work to make establish a business itself. The cold shoulder treatment these UC give to English speaking Middle class of SC ST students and professors in universities is an open secret, you think that same will not be reflected in so called Indian society, the society which do not let IPS groom of Sc st community to sit on a mere horse in his own wedding, CM goes to temple and later the temple is cleaned with gangajal. Do you even have any sort of reasonable mindset to understand the Caste element payout in this Indian society or are you one of those who practice Intentional Ignorance. Good luck for such intentional ignorance.

[@dsyoutube-q8w]

@@Homosapiens0804 kawar yatra was similar to halal certification. Had nothing to do with caste but religion. Nobody would be unwilling to eat from non-vidharmis regardless of caste. Do Muslims not demand halal certification? Is that not otherization? And how economically potent are kawariyaas? You should be naive to think that the economy runs on kawariyaas 😂😂 But yaa, the Islamo-leftist alliance in the unis doesn't expect you to speak up against them for your kith and kin 😂😂

[@Homosapiens0804]

⁠@@dsyoutube-q8w And just because in this case its so called religion, BOYCOTT PRACTICES in Indian society is acceptable…….Riigghhhhttt , i will consider ur point in administrative perspective not social, that since today its religion tomorrow it will not be caste……..woowwww what an honourable intellectual argument u have……I applaud your intellect and intelligence and knowledge/ awareness of Indian society……😂😂😂😂

[@raisarwanath4484]

Gay bheem.

[@AksharaAbigail-hh1yr]

Dont you know about Vishnu and Mohini Khand ?

[@SarthakBhatia]

Love the thumbnail 😂

[@123xyzabccba]

J Bela Trivedi gave the judgement which deviated from the majority only to create an impression that bammans are caste-neutral 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kaushalgagan6723]

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