Ep 4: Amplifier Overkill For My Tiny Atmos Theater? Outlaw Audio 7000x and 5000x Amplifiers

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Outlaw Audio on sale outlawaudio.com/shop/?rewrite=model-2220&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA3Na5BhAZEiwAzrfagEIi_hvKJQzfDnwSaj_4z0MG9eGtaeug2Cm6tJrCh3f2nEs9Uj6KZhoCVfUQAvD_BwE

[@1165mac]

Wow, thanks! I'll certainly check out the sale.

[@MarkStewart-w2v]

I have the 7000 hooked up to the RZ50. I'm running Klipsch speakers. Can look a movies for hrs the amp never gets warm 😊

[@brucebmendoza]

What people don’t understand is having separates processor preamp and separate power amplifiers you without a doubt are truly giving yourself the real true experience of audio and video enjoyment at home. As it should be.

[@DarrenKrusi]

Looking forward to how you deal with sound complaints from the next bedroom over.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

😆😆 if he says anything, I’ll remind him he doesn’t pay any rent

[@batman.darthmaul]

I use 2 5000x units myself, one for front stage, one for surrounds. I had a Yamaha amp that went into protection mode and cost almost as much to fix as to buy something new. When this happened, I was in no position financially to either repair my Yamaha or get something new. I had to go _2 years_ listening to everything over my TV's speakers! Anyway, I've been using my 5000x units for a little over a year now and absolutely love them. Outlaw for life.

[@empire7179]

I'm so glad I watched this video because I have a small space a little bigger than yours and I was going to buy an Outlaw but I can see that those apps are way too big for my space. My wife already asked me to turn it down with what I have now. Plus I live in an apartment. I don't want to be an outlaw in my own apartment complex.

[@MattyDaddy14]

This is awesome!! I love that you’re expanding the system like this for us!! 🎉 those amps are on my short list for my future system so I love that your doing this from beginning to end!! Please include the steps of connecting everything! 🎉 Also, are you going to have to run a new 15/20amp outlet in the room for all the amps and subs? I don’t think using a splitter will be a good idea! 🎉 Maybe incorporate a higher quality surge protector/power supply? 🎉 Can’t wait for next video! 🎉

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Thanks, glad you’re enjoying the series! I’ll try to cover those details in an upcoming video.

[@ScottGunMag69]

It’s always better to have way more power than you need.

[@kevinfinke6927]

I feel the same way about cars too!

[@GurvanBHC7]

Yes the « you have too much power », « your speaker are overkill » need to STOP 🤯 It's always the same people who don't understand anything about distortion, SPL and so on. And also people who have never experienced a home theater with huge subwoofer that doesn’t distord when pushed to reference

[@Steelersinfinity]

TW AD-8300 - 11 CHANNEL AMP - 3X300W & 8X155W @ 8 OHMS $1775.00

[@gab7344]

I'm looking at buying theTW AD-8300 Do you have the TW AD-8300, how is it. Can you Bi Amp with it.

[@brucebmendoza]

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS. WHY NOT PEOPLE. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 Right on my man. Enjoy it and have fun brother.

[@tylerpanteleeff8581]

My 5.2 (hopefully 5.2.2 soon) running through a denon s760h is plenty load. I can't imagine needing or using that much power for that room, even with those speaker sensitivities. Save your ears from damage and tinnitus!

[@shahross8366]

Exactly. It's like putting a jet engine in a Prius 😵‍💫

[@matta9316]

I have a bunch of Outlaw amps; they are reliable and great performers, look great also. Would highly recommend their products.

[@carlosh8113]

I did the same. Got all chane audio speakers, 2 outlaw audio amps and the arcam av41.

[@HMPOD]

What is the center channel, receiver, amp etc sitting on? That looks to be the bit of furniture I need and yet can’t seem to find.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Here’s the link. It’s not super sturdy, FYI. The 70 lb Outlaw Audio amp is about the most it can hold. mavely.app.link/e/dcXqssRdrOb

[@askmatt7283]

You can never have enough power. Its all about headroom. How far can you push your system without distortion, stress or fatigue? Keep up the good work 🍺

[@SastusBulbas1]

Lovely power amps, sadly not available in the UK, but nice to see them unboxed.

[@ZeonStar77]

I’m rewatching this series as it is giving me ideas on how to improve my own small theater down the road. I have 9 of my speakers ran from my Denon X4400H and then I have a 2 channel Amp running the fronts. I was wondering if you considered having only one external amp and using the ONKYO for fewer speakers, like say the Atmos speakers? I may try something like that myself someday. Get a bigger external Amp but still have my AVR process some of the speakers.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

That’s a great idea. It’s always an improvement any time you can take some of the load off the AVR internal amps.

[@ZeonStar77]

@ Thanks! Did you ever consider going the 1 external amp route and using the Onkyo for some of the amplification in this setup?

[@herefordian70]

Love these videos but I clearly need to find some for an apartment living room/bedroom, single AVR, set-up! That's my limit sadly.

[@sage11x]

Ooo… just noticed the AVR you’re using. So the Onkyo (and also the Pioneer equivalents) have an issue where low impedance loads- like your 4 ohm MPs- can cause the amplifier to go into a ‘protect mode’ where it will severely reduce power output. So, yeah, sticking with external power amps on this case was probably a good idea. FYI, Contrary to your assertion, 4 ohm speakers don’t require more power to drive. But they do present a more complex load for the amp and cheap amps typically don’t have robust enough power supplies to handle the extra current draw.

[@1165mac]

I've got three Outlaw 2220 monoblocks for my front stage and won't ever turn back. I'd love to get two more for my main surrounds and may do that when and if they go on sale again.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Currently on sale outlawaudio.com/shop/?rewrite=model-2220&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA3Na5BhAZEiwAzrfagEIi_hvKJQzfDnwSaj_4z0MG9eGtaeug2Cm6tJrCh3f2nEs9Uj6KZhoCVfUQAvD_BwE

[@GoldenStatePR]

Currently on sale actually.

[@Oscarbruv]

Is this room on a 15amp? I’ve been trying to figure out if I need to budget for an electrician to set up a 20amp. Between these two Amps + receiver + sub and tv(low watts from what I’ve read) if I’ll trigger the breaker?

[@brucebmendoza]

Nooooo. Just my two cents. If any electrician. Says yeah sure I can bump up your breaker to a 20amp don’t do it please. Just have a Electrican go in and install wire up a new 15 amp outlet. Your home or apartment is not wired for 20amp. So it’s is much more safer to wire up a new outlet with a new 15amp breaker.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

It’s a 15 amp circuit. I don’t anticipate having any issues, but we’ll see. If I trip a breaker you guys will be the first to hear about it 😁

[@Oscarbruv]

Okay, this is good to know. Thank you both!

[@RR-dr6du]

Bought a 7000 once.. thougbt it sounded really grainy.. returned it went with emotiva next.. thought they got sloppy and sounded fatigues when pushed.. ended on Nads and parasound amps.. fine to have those amps in that room.. higher powered amps sound better at lower levels.

[@jsclayton]

Loving this project! How is the heat from those? I’ve been eyeing Buckeye amps but I’m also a sucker for a sale. 😅

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

I haven’t tested the 5 and 7 channel amps yet, but my Outlaw Audio monoblock amps only get slightly warm. In fact, I have 3 monoblocks stacked on top of each other and heat isn’t a problem at all.

[@Boxkerp]

Don’t get a trigger cable splitter or splice a cable . Just get a trigger expansion module from emotiva for 40 dollars

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

I didn’t know they had such a thing. Thanks for the tip!!

[@Boxkerp]

It’s pretty cool I own one myself. You can add three devices and several options to turn on amps. You can use a single trigger out from a receiver or processor to turn on the module which will turn the devices or you can connect the module to a smart switch to turn on the module

[@reese373]

Might have to come over to Outlaw audio. I just picked up OSD Nero HTA7200and connected to an Anthem avm 70 8k via XLR 7 channels and 2 subs. When the room is quiet, there is a high-pitched sound coming from inside the amp. The sound is generating with the Anthem and the Amp powered down. The sound also continues with the OSD amp turned off with the power switch in the back of the amp in the off position. The high-pitched sound only stops when the OSD is unplugged. I've moved all xlr cables away from the power cables but it did not help eliminate the sound. Do I have a faulty amp? Just purchased 2 weeks ago same time as the Anthem. I'll see what OSD suggests but if I cant figure it out or get it replaced, I may try the Outlaw.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Sounds like a defective amp. Curious what OSD comes back with

[@reese373]

@ I’ll keep you updated. Messaged today. May not get a response until Monday.

[@reese373]

Quick update. OSD asked for a vid so they could evaluate the sound. Sent vid and they set up a rma to send me a replacement. I still wasn’t understanding how this was happening even when turned off so I one by one unplugged the xlr cables, still sound. Then sub power cables and sound stopped! Ahhh haaaa. Put ear behind sup and yup. Bad amp on one of the SVS Pb 16’s. Contacted SVS and they are sending a new amp to replace. They told me just toss the old one once I replace it.

[@reese373]

So far tho I like what I’m hearing from osd. I think I’ll get an outlaw as well and add more speakers to the stage since I’m seeing some Black Friday week sales lol

[@chrishamilton5960]

I would have gone with a much bigger TV over the external amps. That Onkyo is more than enough for that room.

[@gab7344]

Is there a difference in sound quality using XLR and the RCA connections. Which is better

[@brucebmendoza]

Yesssss. Okay when you will notice is when you have a turntable playing and while you wait for the needle to starting playing the song you hear that hssssss hmming noise. With XLR that will be minimal hissing sound while you wait and hear the Vinyl play music. I can hear the difference but I love being an audiophile so I know what to hear and look for.

[@colinmcauliffe5205]

I have the anthem avm 70 and the anthem mca 525 amp they make a big difference in the sound, over the Yamaha a2a receiver.i have klipsch speakers.

[@Carl-iw9sy]

Rumor has it that the tiny Atmos theater will be getting a Trinnov Altitude 32 🤔

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Shhh, no spoilers 😉

[@garyharper2943]

Don’t you wish they had vu meters? Did you consider Emotiva?

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

I do like the look of those meters, but at the same time they sit directly below the TV so that would be a bit distracting to have them lit up when watching movies. I do want to try Emotiva at some point. I’ve heard good things about them and would love to give them a try.

[@garyharper2943]

The Emotiva amps have 12 volt in and out triggers.

[@melraine919]

Hello 🙋‍♂️ George question, I have 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos DENON AVC-X4700H Which is powering four bed layer Speakers and four height Atmos Speakers eight in total LCR is running off the EMOTIVA -XPA GEN 3 Do OUTLAW do a 8 channel power amplifier 🤞🏼🙏 Kind regards Mel 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

I don’t believe Outlaw has an 8 channel amp

[@melraine919]

@ Awe dear, Thank you for your reply 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@sage11x]

So for anyone wondering the real answer is: “because I can.” And in this hobby that’s all you need to know. :)

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Well said 😁

[@LifeSized101]

I went with open box Marantz sr7015

[@ps_sanjayofficial5973]

make teardown of the amp !

[@Totalplonker]

Listening habits! Yeah, sure, it's nice for the entire system to come on automatically, but in reality, it's more to do with listening habits. Why have I disconnected the trigger to my Atmos power amp? Never mind, every time I play two channel music (Tidal Connect), I have to get up and turn off the Atmos power amp. I also find I prefer not to listen to the up-mixers! Therefore, unless it's Atmos (or object-based content), the poweramp should stay off. My opinion, of course. After all, some people enjoy 5.1 movies with the height channels on. And that I can understand. However, when listening to two channel rendered movies, height channels have to be off. Not unless one wishes to hear the exact same base-level signal coming from The Heights! Hence, when using AVR's that are not externally amplified. The front presence option

[@siriosstar4789]

Being unfamiliar with the outlaw brand , how are these prices possible ? i would think the parts alone would cost that much

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

Excellent question. I don’t have inside information for their business model, I can only speak to the result. And the results are excellent!

[@siriosstar4789]

i am thinking that if the parts are of decent quality and it sounds great , then the consumer is being ripped off by almost every other manufacturer known . The prices quoted by Outlaw are astonishing .

[@paulc5389]

Not sure you need to justify free stuff lol. Can we talk about that TV though.. what viewing angle is it giving you? Because on video it appears to be too small.

[@GeorgeTheaterAtHome]

It’s a 55” screen and I’ll be sitting 7’ away. I think it’s close to being the right size. Forrest thinks I need to get a 70” but my wife says that’s too extreme 🤷‍♂️

[@paulc5389]

@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome 70 inch would be the recommended 40 degree viewing angle for 16:9. That said they don't really exist and if your wife prefers something smaller 65 would probably be a good compromise? 55 would definitely be too small for me. I have a 55 in a small dedicated room but I sit about 5 ft from it.

[@spacemanwho]

Nice🎉

[@Myhomeentertainmentsystem]

I have 7000x on my Klipsch

[@petecap4382]

Hey genius buy a good power surge protector they have triggers in and outs 🤦🏻‍♂️if u investing in all this it would make sense to buy one

[@chrishamilton5960]

Yes totally overkill in that space.

[@tom6363]

😮

[@gowthamk5392]

Too much power ll damage ur spkrs in long run ryt!?

[@brucebmendoza]

No only if you raise the level up too much. But with this set up he will never have to reach half volume trust me.

[@danemoreno88]

Don’t believe everything you read I have the rz50 and it’s great no problems whatsoever chasing sinad is not a factor for me . the outlaws are very conservatively rated had the 5000x before . audioholics tested them and was getting 180 watts a channel out of the old 5000 in 8 ohms