Ep. 1 - Achieve HUGE sound! Home Theater Setup! Proper placement and Setup !! | Home Theater Gurus

[@ChannelBri]

Great video

[@lawsonconner1611]

Instablaster...

[@VanillaCoke]

Came for surround sound placement, left with geometry homework Thank you for this series of videos! My setup was completely off

[@hometheatergurus]

Ha.. Well that's a good thing. Be sure and see the newer episodes on atmos (ep 49 for example).

[@Ausseke]

I have to say , this is the best video I have found for speaker placement ! At 52 I am just now getting my first home theater, nothing crazy , it is going in my living room. Right now I am at a 7.2.2 and I love the system but I knew it could be better. Thank you for your time in doing this and others on your channel.

[@ajaltonwilliams1986]

Congratulations man I can’t wait to buy house and get there

[@madhouse32dk]

I can't begin to ezpress my gratitude for this video. My home theater sound has changed dramatically after placing the speakers where they should be. Now the sound fills the room and it sounds amazing. Thank you!

[@ChadAV69]

I just moved my speakers from 55 degrees to 68 degrees and it sounds way better. I thought the center image would collapse but it didn't it actually made it better. I don't have a center speaker so I need it to be good. If I could go wider I'd try 80 lol. Thanks.

[@bigjack79]

Man time flys. 3 years later and I’m back where it all started.

[@hometheatergurus]

Tell me about it. I made this video in August of 2019. Almost 4 years ago.

[@gsanchez922]

I already have my side surround at 90 now is time to places my rear and front. I bought a cheap digital Protractor to do it 😅

[@stevegyivicsan4215]

You have a very well informed tutorial, always look forward to new episodes. I have a Denon x4800h and 10 svs speakers, including the sub. which is the pb-1000pro then my l.c.r are the ultra b/s my surrounds are the prime b/s and then the svs elevations 2 fronts and 2 rears. This is all new to me, lm the old school type 5.1 and basic a/v receiver. So lm learning alot from your shows. I'm trying to rap my head around Audyssey and speaker placement. So lm greatful for your style of teaching, us old school types of guys. Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. What do you think of the equipment l put together. Hope l started off on the right foot.

[@jimmy_dee]

What I love about these videos are they are so obvious but I had not thought about it before he said it.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I know what you mean, it makes sense once it's explained and you're like of course!!! That's why I like to explain things and not just say do this do that like you guys are robots. Understanding it makes all the difference and when you get bad advice which is everywhere you'll know.

[@jimmy_dee]

@@hometheatergurusI've watched a couple of your videos and decided I am going to work my way through every episode..

[@CarlosGomez-THX_1138]

Trig like Pythagorean theorem. Thanks for showing the way.

[@shaneb6446]

First off, excellent videos! They've been an invaluable resource for me as I learn more about the home theater hobby. I was hoping you could address speaker placement in a room that is less than ideal; for context my room is 7'8" tall, 25 feet in length, and 13 feet wide at the front of the room, but starting at about 9' in length my room's right side widens out 3 more feet, then widens again another 5 feet at 14 feet in length. My L and R surround speakers have been difficult to place; the left side has a wall running the length of the room so the LS is pretty much right up against it (1 ft from the couch edge and the couch is 8 feet long), and the right side has more space to work with but the RS either needs to be up against the wall as well (which places it about 3 feet further away from the MLP than the LS) or pulled closer to the couch to avoid the entry to the adjacent laundry room. If the RS is closer to the couch then i can also more closely adhere to the 90 degree spec, otherwise both LS and RS are placed @ about 103 degrees for a clear line of sight for the whole couch. I also have a central beam/duct running directly over the couch which is about 11" lower than the rest of the ceiling, and the rear spkrs are a little closer to the MLP the the front top Atmos spkrs as well. I placed the rear ceiling Atmos spkrs in DIY spkr boxes between joists to lower them about 10" to avoid reflecting off of the overhead obstacle. So I have 2 Q's: 1. - Should I prioritize the 90 degree speaker angle and try to keep the surround speaker distances the same from the MLP, or leave it as I have them now which has the RS further away and both at about 103 degrees? 2. - Is my approach of lowering the rear Atmos spkrs a sound one or am I missing approaching the situation wrong?

[@pauldesrosiers1769]

I watched all of your Home Theater Gurus videos while i was building my "room". My room is done now and would like to compliment you on a really good series. Difficult to describe just how good my room sounds today. My hobby and work has been electronics for over 40 years and i can say i learned a lot from you sir. Thank you!

[@johnterpack3940]

This is what I've been looking for, actual math. I can't stand channels that act like math doesn't exist and all this stuff is just personal preference. Of course, our TV room is probably about as poorly designed as possible. I'm going to have to make serious compromises as I build our system.

[@hometheatergurus]

Glad you found it helpful. I later want to redo these first few epsidoes as I was really rusty.

[@kenallwine3309]

This is great information! How would this work for multiple rows of seating on risers? I am hoping to build with 2 rows of 4 chairs.

[@percybedford6266]

Thanks for this tutorial. I was going to put my 3 frontstage speakers behind my screen. Now I think I will go with a different design. I am now a subscriber.

[@hometheatergurus]

This is why I do this...saved another guru from mediocrity and sadness and led him to awesomeness..😁

[@percybedford6266]

@@hometheatergurus I appreciate it bro.

[@niro750]

​@@hometheatergurus I have bought m&k in walls and was thinking of an AT screen but that may be an issue as the speakers might need to go very close to the wall which would then need to cut the screen size down a bit. It would work for scope but if I was to watch in 16:9 I couldn't mask the sides and not block the speakers. 🤔

[@samo8204]

If you could build your home AROUND your home theater, what size room would you build? Also, is there a mathematical recipe for LxWxH that is best?

[@hometheatergurus]

Hmm. 18Wx 24Lx12H. One row. The new room is close to this but not quite. Yes there's a set of ratios called the golden ratios but these days we can pretty much get great sound in any room with treatments and seat properly placed and subs properly placed and aligned.

[@anthonykeve8894]

@Home Theater Gurus (HTG) I’m sorry for my long winded reply. Made me a subscriber m! Pour yourself a tall one and relax I say this w/out reservation: set up is key paralleling sound treatments and your vid is the simplest yet most comprehensive setup description for 5 & 7 channel systems! I will share every opportunity I get. A pre-purchase “must-view” for all first time buyers. Tip to viewers: take all measurements from the tweeters. A question for HTG: measured from the tweeter, how high should surrounds, sides and rears, be off the floor? I’ve heard/read 6’ regardless of 2 or 4 surrounds. Dogma from ~2010: “execute 5 channels well than a “so-so” attempt on 7 channels.” You should develop a video to help buyers make logical decisions to fit systems into a given space. I’ve seen more than a few cram 7+ channels into a space barely enough for 5. I have the means* to execute 7 channels well. My existing space (living room) allows the couch about 1’ from the wall - not enough space for the Back speakers from my EARS. Dedicated space awaits the last of the “herd**” to exit the house. There I’ll have about 6’ from them. Too often people cram speakers too big*** and/or too many channels into too small space. The “insult to injury” badly under powering them especially across the front. *add’l speakers and separate amp **kids ***4’ towers you can almost touch from the couch, when “CORRECTLY powered & positioned medium sized “bookies**” would do better. I’ve been into 2 ch audio since 1980 and Home Theater since the early 90s. I’ve read countless articles and viewed many YT videos to ring the most possible from my current system & space.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Anthony! For surrounds I normally spec them about 1' above the seated head to the acoustic center. In a two way this is some where between the woofer/tweeter . Now this depends on how many rows we have and other room factors. We actually get into towers vs book shelves as well and explain what drivers are producing what.. hint a two way tower shoots vocals right into the sofa..:). So you are absolutely right about bookshelves.

[@northeastcorals]

I can't help imagining a huge wardrobe full of the same style, but different coloured Smedium sized V-neck shirts :P Great videos mate, keep up the excellent work ;)

[@hometheatergurus]

😂. They're all a large lol. Xl is too big and medium too small. I have big neck and non v necks aggregate me something fierce. But you pretty much nailed my wardrobe. 😁

[@electronash]

Gaz's Frags It's like how Einstein kept a wardrobe of the same coloured suits, so he didn't have to waste too much thought on choosing what to wear. Only this is saving thought for angles of speaker placements instead. lol

[@W1GGL3Z]

Your video is amazing! So much information that I was able to apply and start making huge changes. Thank you for making your videos! Maybe I’m being a complete airhead but how are you getting the decimals you’re using? I’ve just been using a protractor. 😂

[@sjsphotog]

Arent you supposed to go from the MLP to measure and not the side walls? or did your calculations already account for this difference? Where did you get the multiplication factors like x0.25 and x1.16 etc etc from? you didnt mention that in the video. You could have just picked the mid-point of the allowable range instead of doing the calcs for both extremes just to keep the video shorter and find the optimal spot but we appreciate all the work you put into this. thanks. Im redoing my home theater seating area now and needed some good info on what to do

[@hometheatergurus]

I did measure from the mlp for all of these. I calculated the formulas myself using trig and converting it.

[@thunderracing1527]

Great Video. Quick question. I have open concept living area and don’t have option to have speakers on the walls. I have 2 options but not sure what direction to go. 1 - 5.2 Bookshelf speakers on stands but would not be able to keep speakers there permanently. Only during movie listening. 2- 7.2 Place speakers in ceiling using Paradigm Angled speakers. Thank you.

[@jameshaydel8262]

I'm setting up a 5.1.6 in a 10ft wide by 20 ft long 8ft tall room with the listener right in the middle. The TV in on the 10 ft wall. Not sure if the heights should be inboard, outboard or in line with main front speakers. Maybe I missed this in the video but any advice would be appreciated.

[@hometheatergurus]

Hey James, see ep 49 for Atmos. Also don't sit in the middle length wise as there's a null there. Also I'd highly recommend 7.1.4. It's very doubtful you want 6 channels of atmos. If u need help with the layout I do offer layout service. Also I do have speaker options with threaded inserts. I think that was you asking on another video comment. Email me at [e-mail]

[@ChrisHVACguy]

Awesome vid! Clears everything up. Is there a minimum distance from listening point to the rear surrounds in 7.1 layout? I'm trying to figure out if there's enough room behind my couch to convert my 5.1.2 to 7.1.2

[@rahulrane1658]

Very good knowledge. Good luck to your channel. Subscribed!

[@goopgil6919]

Thank you for the excellent video full of details. I am wondering if we will hear any noticeable difference between 7 and 9 channels for the bed layer. Does room size matter for deciding if I should use 9 vs 7? My HT is 17’ wide x 24’ long x 10’ high. Thanks!

[@hometheatergurus]

See ep 45 which goes over the issues wides fix. Basically for side seats it's pretty beneficial and the smaller the room the more beneficial. The video will make it make sense.

[@nordinekara5518]

Great video. If I understand correctly. Having a listening position against the back wall is not worth having a home theater?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks. I wouldn't say that at all. It does bring forth compromises but some can be addressed and it's still worth having a home theater setup if thats what you want.

[@nordinekara5518]

@hometheatergurus thanks for your quick response. my sofa is 40cm from the wall. what type of surround speakers can i use and at what height. greetings from paris.

[@faysalusman]

I plan to install acoustically transparent screen. F C speaker plus the subwoofers will go behind the screen. I have seen lot of videos and people are stuffing the empty space especially close to the speakers with sound absorbing material. How important is this treatment and if it’s important do i need to stuff the entire empty space behind the screen. Correction; fronts will be hidden but not behind the screen. Just learned this from your videos :).

[@hometheatergurus]

Haha.. I was going to comment on the mains but I see you watched the videos.. :) Stuff the entire cavity with insulation. You don't want it to resonate and it'll help with sbir which we haven't covered yet. The best option would be to frame in around the center and create a baffle wall but the insulation is the next option.

[@nattydj8646]

Great video. Why no publish the math in the video description?

[@nattydj8646]

Right now I'm using www.calculator.net/right-triangle-calculator.html?av=&alphav=30&alphaunit=d&bv=8&betav=&betaunit=d&cv=&hv=&areav=&perimeterv=&x=57&y=10 which is workable but not as simple ;)

[@AllAccessConstruction]

Dope.. What if you don't have the room in the back.. I have 7.2.4.. So I ended up having side rears..

[@hometheatergurus]

I'm going to start doing short videos answering questions like this in comments. Yours will be the first! :) I'm about to shoot it so make sure and subscribe and hit the notification bell so you don't miss it.

[@shaolin95]

Side rears is an oxymoron.

[@RajaChandi]

This is very informative. I have a question. What calculation was used to get the couch back 11 feet?

[@hometheatergurus]

Proper main width and room modes. If you can't spread the mains to get the right angle move up. This is explained in ep 1. I also have an episode on room modes.

[@s98ks22]

Awesome content! Thanks for the knowledge!!

[@paulk9534]

Surely youve gotta start with desired screen size, because distance need3d away from screen by ThX standards tells you how far back your seat should be 🤔

[@hometheatergurus]

Room modes tell you wheres to sit. Then you use viewing angles to calculate screen size. There's videos on the channel for both.

[@Flightsimmovies]

How high should my rear speaker be and do you have a calculation equation for that? Thank you! (5.1.4)

[@drrvk]

Good informative video but I want to know u r taking reference from centre of seating position but what about the people who r sitting in second row or side of reference point ...will the sound effect will change for other people who r sitting around the centre reference point

[@CodenameHawk1225]

I have a long wide, open, three tiered layout where the speakers are located up and over the seating area based on the room setup. Meaning, part of the room has an 18” lower hanging part where they covered up the support beam and ran duct work. Yes, it sucks. The seating area is about 9'x24'. My first seat starts at 11' and the last is 22'. I want to place the speakers in a better place, as well as add Atmos. The right wall past the hanging row is about 5' past this. My concern is, I will totally mess my sound stage by putting the right speakers on the wall, as well as create a bigger problem with setting up Atmos. What would you suggest?

[@thatoneguy6776]

so... put them next to the television, next to the couch, behind couch and let build in calibration of receiver balance the sound.... there, i saved you time and energy.

[@yogabyaakaash]

If we also look at the front speakers making an equilateral triangle, would that be an accurate way as well?

[@sj460162]

Great video! Please advise...my trusty kenwood reciever (17yrs old) has just packed up and I need to replace. My budget is £500. Are the all in one blueray home cinemas any good for this price..or should I stick to recievers?

[@marketingstrategyacademy8319]

If your seating is not centered say off to the right side, should you focus on the angles vs. alignment. Specifically the surrounds, my setup right now based on angles as my left surround sitting back further as the left wall is further away from center. I assume use angels vs. aligning the left and right surrounds to be even?

[@hometheatergurus]

If you want the best sound at the MLP then yes you need to pay attention to angles based on the MLP.

[@betitos11]

Hi, can i ask a question, i have a tv on my garage wall that i sit 12ft from and a 5.2 surround. I only have 30 inches on each side for wall mount speakers. To go any wider i would have to mount speakers 5ft in front of tv on shelf 6ft high aimed down to sitting area. I can leave center channel on wall with tv or move as well. What do u suggest? Thanks.

[@AllanNeely]

I see a lot of people who believe in having the Left and Right Speakers pulled more into the room in order to get them the same distance as the center to the MLP. Anyone else tried this and what is your experience with the way it sounds compared to them being the same distance from the front wall.

[@hometheatergurus]

I cover this in some other videos but they're manipulating sbir issues and reflections. We do this other ways.

[@devvin]

How (if at all) would placement be different for mains if I've got bipolar tower mains? do I still do the 53 degree setup or something different due to the design of the speakers. I love the channel. Thanks.

[@badejong]

I found your channel looking for articles about Atmos. My HT is allready setup using KEF dipoles as surrounds and backs. I have two rows of seats. That is why I use them.. Would uou be willing to do a video of setting that up?

[@njrumenos]

Should I use flat or angled surrounds? I feel if I use 15 degree angled surrounds they might be set too high and I will have little separation to atmos speakers, flat surrounds seems to be the winners but I’m not sure?

[@phillipbrenton3380]

How did you determine seat location, you just passed by it and went to main speaker distance. Maybe I'm wrong?

[@matthewcarpenter3553]

Steve, thank you for the videos, they are helping me very much. I am new a still trying to figure out some things. I am laying out my speakers now. As for my side surrounds in a 7.1 I am using Klipsch RP-502s. Should I treat these like a one woofer speaker and place 90 deg. From my main listening position? Or should I treat them as wides? My room is 17x21 and my main seat is front row center. Behind that I have another row of 4 seats. Thank you for the help.

[@shaundavidssd]

Place your sides just behind you 100° not 90 you'll see a nice difference when you do

[@LarHines]

Awesome thanks really need for multiple row of seats please

[@hometheatergurus]

That's a good idea. One row will still get priority. You'll use on and off axis manipulation to get as even a sound as possible. I'll add that to the to do list! Here's some great info on it. www.acousticfrontiers.com/dolby-atmos-dispersion-requirements-for-ceiling-speakers/

[@sherazdotnet]

When calculating the distance b/w MLP and the front speakers, do you use the baffle or Tweeter to calculate the distance? My speaker is JBL 4722n and its tweeter is 12" further away from the baffle (Large horn). I'm assuming its the distance from tweeter since most of the sound comes from there?

[@jamesphillips9128]

Hi .... Great video so much useful information.. Fabulous Do you room setup / Acoustic consultancy as im planning an in wall project ?? Many Thanks

[@hometheatergurus]

Hey James, yes I do. See the top of the video description for contact info.

[@lordwaynethegreat]

Great dtuff Steven! Very useful

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Wayners... :)

[@KneyerLand]

Talking about distance. I read that we need a minimun distance to listen and feel 80 Hz, maybe 9 ft I don't know. Due to the size of my room, I need to be more close to the sub and speakers. Is there a way to solve this issue or is it imposible? Regards, great great channel and content

[@RMNSChannel]

Thank you for sharing the knowledge

[@liquidimprints]

So I have a question: if you set the distances of all the speakers, and then you rerun calibration and it sets them at different feet from your main listening position do you just recorrect that to what it's supposed to be inside your avr levels?

[@Mbpatsfan85]

Great video Steve! Definitely got a subscriber here and I'm really looking forward to next weeks video. Keep em coming!!

[@irwfcm]

I have a question about your placement of the front Left and Right speakers. I understand wanting all the speakers 60 degrees apart. That makes perfect sense to me. My concern is putting them in the corners. It was beaten into me over a very long time period, "Thou shalt not place speakers in the corner." I've also seen you say the Dolby recommendation for front speakers in 22-40 degrees off-axis. But the pdf file I downloaded from the Dolby website has 22-30 degrees for a 7.1.4 system (which is what I'm changing my home theater space to be). So 30 degrees is on the extreme edge of the Dolby recommendations from what I can see. Have you had any problems with putting the front in the corners? Or I guess in my case, they would really be about 2 feet in front of the corners along the side wall behind an AT front wall (part of which will be the AT screen). Total room is 15' wide X 20' long. It's just hard for me to get over what I've been told for so long about not placing speakers in/near the corners of a room. Thanks.

[@hometheatergurus]

If you watch the entire video I show you a Dolby pdf that recommends 22 to 40 degrees with 30 highlighted as ideal. That's directly from Dolby. 30 degrees (60 apart) will give the largest sound stage. As for corners because this is for home theater we are crossing to subs so we can place mains in corners. There's a lot of misconceptions in home theater that have trickled down from the 2 channel world where they don't use subs . There's also a lot of misconceptions that get spread as truth due to not understanding proper setup and not completing the setup. That said even two channel mains can be placed in corners if you know how to work some magic with eq and seating placement as room modes are something we know how to deal with and we must deal with no matter where they're placed. Go look at all the professionally designed room by Erskine and quest with mains flanking the screen next to the side walls. Speakers go where they go and that will always give you the best sound. Hope that makes sense.

[@zheka50]

@@hometheatergurus Thank you for the very informative videos. I use an AT screen with a set of fairly large LCRs behind it. The mains are too close together to meet the recommended 60 degrees spread. There is not enough room outside the screen to move them out. The screen has 4" border frame. I could push the mains into the corners but that would place the border 6-8" in front of the speakers. What do I do?

[@alenrevactive5284]

going to try narrow speakers flaking the screen. something from JBL Studio line

[@PharaoRamsesII]

I trust Kelly Slater with my Home theater

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks for watching and thanks for letting us know. 😁

[@zaidfaizal-z3s]

Hey Whats the difference between using a protractor and your method?

[@hometheatergurus]

Nothing.. They both find angles.

[@hectorortega9131]

Mr. G. My receiver does not have a "sub out" rca jack, but does have "tape out" right and left rca out jacks, can i hook my sub to one of those jacks? If so should i use a Y adapter at the R&L out put jacks of the receiver because my sub only has One rca input jack. ?? Thank uoi.

[@ezrabranderhorst]

Awesome video!!! Question - I have a 135” acoustic transparent screen as I have the speakers behind. Can I make the cavity where my LCR + 2subs wider than the screen to get the proper distance between speakers? I sit 11 feet from the screen. My room is 16(w) X 20 (l) X 9 (h) I want to expand the cavity at least an extra foot on each side but it would be the length of the screen then - and it may not meet the recommended distance.

[@Nancy-eb3dt]

Great channel Steve. After watching Episode 1 I found that my mains were not meeting the minimum Dolby standard of 44 degrees. I have a 140 inch 2:35 act screen with speakers behind. I extended mains out to 53 degrees & are no longer behind screen as a result but sound stage is much bigger. Big improvement. However mains are now within 2 feet of side walls & towed in to MLP. The room is treated but are they issues with close proximity to side wall boundary?

[@hometheatergurus]

So the sound stage is bigger? What do your ears tell you, doesn't sound like it's an issue.. 😁 Absolutely no it's not an issue. We use bass management and room treatments and the old thinking they can't be by a side wall is just an old wives tale spread by these that don't understand how to properly setup a room with bass management and treatments. You're on the tight track!

[@Nancy-eb3dt]

@@hometheatergurus Hey Steve. I understood your 11 ft from boundary wall as that is 62% of room length that is an acoustical standard for seat placement 38% but you lost me when you then moved your couch back 11 ft from center line. If I do that my seats will move back 33 inches too far back. I moved my mains & are now outside of ACT screen & forward from front boundary wall & then drew center line baffle to baffle so my mains are at 54 degrees. I will leave seats untouched at 62% from front wall boundary. Your thoughts!

[@hometheatergurus]

@@Nancy-eb3dt are you talking seating based on room modes? I have an episode on that and that is what you use to place the seats

[@Nancy-eb3dt]

@@hometheatergurus Great I'll find the episode. Cheers!

[@menash41]

The wall behind me is 15ft away. Does that mean my rears should be 15ft apart? Or 7.5?

[@jumpingcastlefiestaSouthport]

Awesome stuff. Love to see some sub intergration/minidsp vids With speaker angles i use a protractor app on my android phone. Works well

[@hometheatergurus]

Subs will be around the corner. It'll be several video long though. Room modes, Harmon study, using rew, measuring in room and interpreting responses, mindsp all have to done first. I don't wanna jump into it just yet.

[@leroypreston2762]

Realising my room space doesn’t support the science but I love home theatre 😭

[@tyo101]

Very helpful, thank you.

[@hometheatergurus]

You're welcome!

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Damn this information is so solid, I got lost 5 minutes in :D

[@chrischiang1512]

I like ur method, it's easy to understand. Thanks for making this video. May I know, what is the formula you use to get the multiple times X value based on the degree set? For example u 110 degrees = 1.15, how did u know 1.15 is for 110 degrees?

[@hometheatergurus]

I use trig to find a value and manually convert it using multiplication until i find the right value that way as well.

[@chrischiang1512]

@@hometheatergurus I setting up a 5.1, due to my room shape I have to put the rear speakers slightly narrower than the front Like a V like shape. Do you see this as a problem? Maybe the sound stage at the rear is also narrower?

[@tackytony]

Hi! I'm really enjoying your videos and gaining lots of good info as I plan/design my new home theater room. I have a question: What is the recommendation for the minimum distance for the seating from the rear surrounds? I had figured I would just place the seating against the back wall, but then started thinking about adding rear surrounds behind the seating - and thought that a foot or two of distance between my head and the rear speakers would be too overpowering. What is your recommendation? Thanks!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them. I like to be 4' away minimum.

[@jaywaller9125]

Hi Steve, I have a simple question. Videos 1 and 2 assume you are using a 3 chair layout to obtain speaker placement. [0|0|0]. Where the center seat is the on-axis position for LCR. So the string you pull diagonally across the room goes through the reclined head position of the center seat. I have a four seat configuration that looks like this: [00||00]. In this case, where would I pull the string through to achieve proper front and rear speaker placement?

[@hometheatergurus]

The middle of the seating area so between the two middle seats.

[@jaywaller9125]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks buddy. That is what I was planning.

[@roman8387]

amazing content! great work!

[@AllanNeely]

Great video. You've missed an important part of your tutorial and that's determining the height of the law surround sides and backs. Do they change depending on if you're using Atmos?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks. I cover this in episode 3 as it's determined by the use of atmos or not. If I could go back and edit this video I'd refer you to episode 3 for height information. I'll probably re shoot these first few videos later down the road.

[@Salman-nx3bg]

@@hometheatergurus Hi. Can you tell what you meant by 60°difference at the time stamp 13:45 please!

[@joelane4670]

Hello..hey bud my couch sits right up against the back wall, so instead of using back rear speakers can I use height speakers instead? My room is probably 10 x 10 with 10 foot ceilings..I have small Polk satellite speakers and I just purchased two small JBL’s that I was going to mount on the ceiling..None of the speakers are Dolby Atoms compatible.also I have one Subwoofer..The small JBL speakers will basically be mounted on the ceiling right above are listening position..What’s your thoughts on this set up, provided we don’t have much of a choice..Thanks for your awesome video. I just started watching because I just purchased a new demon avr.

[@hometheatergurus]

You're welcome, glad you like them! Any speaker can be use for atmos. It's all about location and aiming. In that setup I'd do 5.1.4 with top middle and front height speakers. See Ep 3 for placement and also check out the ep about down firing speakers which will really explain how important being on axis is. Setup right your room will sound Amazing.

[@joelane4670]

Home Theater Gurus ..my avr only has one more spot for back rear speakers.so I’m just hooking up 2 height speakers. So is that.5.1.2 on my avr setup. Sorry if these questions sound kinda dumb..I’m hvac mechanic,not sound guy..lol. That’s what I have your channel for I guess.lol..ill watch Episode three again then..thanks so much. Just wanna do this setup right the first time.i have the demon avr-x1500x

[@hometheatergurus]

@@joelane4670 no problem man... Haha. I have a 608 cert myself.. ;) Yep in that case it'll just be a 5.1.2. You may find you like the top middle slightly forward just make sure you watch ep 3 to keep them in tolerance. And as mentioned the video on using down firing speakers which is really about the importance of being on axis. Ohh and ep 3.5 is strictly about positioning top middle speakers correctly as they're often installed spraying the good off axis forward and back and not across the seats.

[@joelane4670]

Home Theater Gurus..thanks for your advice..in your personal opinion,what would be the best small surround sound speaker setup for a $500 Budget?..20-20-10 high?..prefer satellite speakers..but would like suggestions..thanks again. Joe l

[@hometheatergurus]

@@joelane4670 that's tight. It may be a tad over but I'd look at HSU hmb - 1 and also RSL speakers. The RSL atmos speaker for instance is a cheap with an angled baffle and rotatable tweeter. I've heard very good things about it. I plan on getting my hands on it to measure it and see what it looks like at angles we'd be at when used for atmos front and rear tops.

[@AndJusticeForAll...1985]

Dude I watched your video where you painted the speaker in that red with the clear coat. You know I went and bought all the supplies to do that. It costed me close to 300 so there no backing out now. I want to put a 13w7 in there. I want to get the calculations perfectly correct on the box. I am about to watch episode 1 through 35 in the next week. I’m gonna learn all the rew. It’s a daunting task but I’m passionate about music. Not so much watching movies. I think a 13w7 would be absolutely gorgeous in that box. I’ll shoot you some pictures when I’m finished. A while back I purchased the UMIK. ITs been sitting in storage but it’s time to bust it out and get down. I think I’m going to seal the w7. JL uses the w7 in the fathom and Gotham home subs I’m pretty sure. Have a good one and keep doing what your doing dude. A lot of people are learning and appreciate the long videos with all the details.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thank you and there's a lot to learn but thats what makes it fun and where the performance is at. And yeah I love base coat clear coats now. It's hands down my favorite speaker finish.

[@jjdente7666]

Great Video Steve. Subbed!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks JJ

[@nickbozzo5957]

Do the rule and calculations apply to rooms with 2 rows of seating ? Is the front row always the reference row?

[@wl1686]

Undortunately, I dont have walls for my side and back surrounds. Is it good to use inceiling angled speakers for side and back surrounds?

[@hometheatergurus]

You can but it gets very tricky and you may even need to do some reflected sound similar to upside down bouncy atmos. It's not as good as a properly placed speaker but you do the best you can.

[@HTadd1ct]

Never ever resort to this. No walls means speaker stands . Hanging from ceiling at ear level. Place on furniture etc. Anyone that says otherwise has no respect or regard to accuracy of home theater.

[@ryansessin2916]

I am trying to get into this kind of stuff but don't really know where to start, to begin learning about all the technicality of it. Any advice where to start? Thanks!

[@UofARollTide]

I hope this guy has got a protractor already. Could figure this up in less than a minute. 😂

[@hometheatergurus]

Or in seconds with a calculator. This guy personally does it in a program but for those that don't have that option.

[@alcon1427]

Is there no webpage that you can use and enter your room size and then it´s calc all the distance auto in feet/meters,,would be quite easy to avoid measuring all angles yourself

[@hometheatergurus]

Not that I know of. Have you watched the video? You can calculate out your placement in 5 minutes tops for a 7 channel system.

[@avsolutions212]

How did you determine the seat location and how did you get the 11 foot distance seating position? Can you help me out?

[@eskimo4130]

Might be to do with TV size vs viewing distance. 30-40 degrees in your vision i think is used. See rtings website for TV help

[@DIGGERS881]

I’m a little confused. That processor’s layout shows the front three speakers in an arc placed equal distance from the center listening position. Your LR’s are the same distance from the front wall and toed in. I have 3 identical speakers under my projection screen. Should they be placed the same distance from the front wall? Thanks!

[@hometheatergurus]

The angle is what's important. Place them at the proper angles and you're good to go. The diagram is shown like that to show the angles and how they cut up the pie. Lay them out per the video and enjoy!

[@DIGGERS881]

Thanks! You have easily the best home theater channel on KZbin. I’ve learned so much since discovering it.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thank you!

[@thebigk013]

How important is speaker distance from the main listening position? I’ve heard online that if you can, you want to set your speakers up an equal distance from the MLP. So left front 11 feet from MLP, center 11 feet from MLP, right front 11 feet from MLP etc. Is distance from MLP important, or should you mainly be concerned with angles like displayed in the vid?

[@hometheatergurus]

Sure if everything was perfect but thats not realistic. It's not going to effect the sound at all if you set the distance properly. And absolutely get the speakers in angle the tolerances, that's extremely important.

[@thebigk013]

@@hometheatergurus Ok thanks for the insight! Loving your channel, it has some incredible info. Keep up the great work!

[@joelopez7459]

I'm wondering what you do if you're seating position is off-center

[@Member319]

Mmm, I have the Focal Evo Atmos 5.1.2 set, problem is that I have one side of the room full of windows, so my curtains will block the speaker if I place them in de 90-110­° position. Can I place them instead against my back wall? The distance will be 260cm to the front of the speakers. The width between the speakers could be 260cm

[@hometheatergurus]

It's the angles that are important. If they fall into the proper angles you're good to go. If not you'll have issues with panning and proper placement but sometimes you just have to live with it.

[@Darthmel450]

But what happens when your sofa is against the wall how will you place the speaker not everyone has the perfect home theater

[@hometheatergurus]

Very true. That would be a candidate for a 5.1 or 7.1 (with wides) and for atmos top middle or top middle and front height. See ep 3 as we actually discuss rooms like yours.

[@joelane4670]

Are your rear speakers up high or ear level?. Really confusing..

[@hometheatergurus]

That wasn't covered in this episode. That is covered in ep 3 where we look at dolby specs implementing atmos which also dictates how high the surrounds and rear should be.

[@jccohen9626]

Any chance you can do the same thing but including ATMOS? 7.1.4? Is there a link for that?

[@hometheatergurus]

I filmed it yesterday so it'll be out in a few days after I edit it. The bed layer for a 7.1.4 was cover in the video above.

[@jccohen9626]

awesome thank, would appreciate it of you could reply here with the link once it's uploaded so I can get a notification

[@hometheatergurus]

@@jccohen9626 I'll try to remember. If you're subscribed it'll be the next upload I do. I just did one on a quick method to lay out a 7.1 and using towers as surrounds and rears. Next one is atmos speakers.

[@jccohen9626]

I am more interested in your thoughts on atmos. I originally built a 9.2 theater with wides and 4 surrounds actually to your specs years ago. about a few inches from the ceiling. but when ATMOS came to the market I got a new receiver and put 4 in the ceiling to Dolby specs, but had been in a magnolia design center ATMOS room and the ATMOS demo was MIND BLOWING! far more distinction compared to mine, since their surrounds were pretty much almost ear level. About 35-45 degree difference on the atmos from the surrounds. I don't really have that option so want to see your take on it. I am now running a 9.3.4

[@hometheatergurus]

@@jccohen9626 what speakers did you install? Are they downfiring ceiling speakers?

[@Mike-fs3bv]

I thought my room sounded good before. I have a lot of work to do.

[@donalddluckerii3147]

Hi Steve, where are you getting your info from? Are you in the industry? Hobbiest?

[@hometheatergurus]

The best answer is... Both.. :). I began designing subwoofers 20 years ago, then got into diy projectors (yes it was a thing), then got really interested in the science behind room acoustics. Over a decade ago I was using REW and and loading eq filters in EQ equipment that's like Flintstone technology compared to the eqs we use today. I have friends pretty high up in the food chain, some installers, some designers. I also sale equipment but only brands or lines I'd own. Over the years I've spent hundreds of hours helping people, even professional installers, which has led to this channel.

[@BAttitude7689]

Do you still offer services helping people remotely? I saw youthman recent video that you helped him? What do charge for that type of service?

[@Lazarus.09]

I would just like to ask, how are you getting your point numbers, (.35, .53, 1.15 etc...)?

[@hometheatergurus]

I just converted the angles to something anyone can calculate using trig and converting it myself . Then I confirmed everything using my formula and confirming it with a trig calculator.

[@Lazarus.09]

@@hometheatergurus lol!! Yeah...thanks, trig is just above me pay grade. I'll just continue to use your numbers.👍🏼

[@hometheatergurus]

@@Lazarus.09 you're not alone. That's why I converted everything to give people something easy to use. But in all honesty I used a trig calculator so it's just plugging in numbers.

[@Lazarus.09]

@@hometheatergurus well I know I'm not the only one and not the only one to say it, but, thanks again for everything you're doing, this has been far more help than I've run across. I haven't even watched your REW video and just setting my speakers up better watching your vidz has already make a DRAMATIC difference.

[@bingdong8571]

Recommended things messes everything up. Theres too many contradictions. Im sick and tired of seeing different recommendations for speaker locations. They are where they are. F-it, done, sounds great. Too much work moving 15 speakers around based on this weeks recommended locations.

[@hometheatergurus]

Sounds like you may need a vacation..:)