EP140.4 - Driving the PHEV in Charge Mode and B0 for best fuel economy on the highway

Today I explain how I drive the car on the highway with hills and mountains and achieve very good fuel economy. OK, that's a longer video but I needed the extra time. So much to talk about...
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[@shadowbanned5164]

Im sorry but for a large SUV hybrid 4 litres per 100kms is pretty darn good in my opinion.

[@marcgravel3010]

Very interesting....Multiple camera view was really fun. Don`t complain about the heat.....it`s -15 C here in Canada. :) You are awesome Andy!!!

[@user-mk4vm4ot5m]

Very usefull, interesting. Good job.

[@RusticInspiration]

Excellent video Andy

[@Johnbro8]

Thanks for sharing your advice

[@yowill405]

Boy, I sure didn't know what I was getting into by buying my 2020 Outlander PHEV. Loved my Prius for the past 12 years and thought this is just going to be that much and better (didn't want to wait 2 year waiting list for Rav4 PHEV!) Thanks for your videos for help in understanding... Not that, at 2 weeks in, do I begin to pretend I understand yet... YIKES!!

[@J0risNL]

How does it compare to the prius? I am actually debating between a 2015 prius or a 2015 outlander PHEV. Would love to hear your experience with both

[@yowill405]

@@J0risNL well, I ended up giving the Outlander back (with much opposition from Mitsubishi) as I found out it is not advised to use it with an extension cord which, in my situation, was the only way I could plug in. (The warranty would void if there ever should be a problem with the charging which they neglected to tell me when I bought the car) I eventually won my battle and they bought it back and I returned to a trusted Prius sooo now have my 2020. A MUCH better fit and vehicle, imo, just don't have quite the space as the larger Outlander. But that's ok by me as I'm one person only using the car.

[@bobcheckley6802]

Hi Andy - I have recently bought the Mitsubishi Juro what a change of driving style so confusing but after watching your vids so helpful now i am putting them into practice the highest mpg i have got to 106 mpg not sure how that converts into KM's. Very good vids and informative.

[@grahamhenley2951]

Great explanation :) Going to check out your other vids shortly! First I gotta find that app you are using.

[@unpluggedEV]

Thanks for your feedback. The Link is in the video description in every video.

[@pitiglobos]

Excellent trip/s Andy, thanks. Today my aux battery died (after 5 years and so many gadgets plugging), its normally? Could you comment something more about this aux battery, it's possible mount any with more power (65amp), the serie mount 55 amp.

[@richardhill3976]

great video andy, perhaps one day you could do it in real money ha imperial so we can understand mpg etc, i have not converted yet to metric cheers and have a great christmas, and most important a healthy new year

[@alanbowling9739]

Andy where you talk about 12 KW regen as you go downhill - actually its about 14.5Kw because the aircon is pulling around 2.5. The Dog tells you the net figure.

[@SreecharanChallagundla]

@andy i follow your videos, if you can make one video on when to use B0, B1, B2, B3 & B5 that would be a really great help.

[@johnayers2762]

Hi Andy. Into our first week of owning a 2014 phev (we live in chch nz). 45k on the clock and the SOH is 86%. Lovely car to drive. The car will ultimately be used by the wife for trips into town for work and back 22 km round trip, and maybe a few kms after work. Anyho, last 5 days averaging 42-44km per full charge, flat roads town driving. So far, hardly used petrol and charging it up at the end of the day after tea for the next day, or a couple hours during the day for a top up when i used it. Is this healthly for the battery? Should we use only electric when we can? How often should we charge it a day considering? Your advise is much welcome. regards john

[@unpluggedEV]

Charge it as much and often as you can. ABC - Always Be Charging

[@amughul]

Hi Andy, I came across to your video after 2 years of your posting, but thanks for sharing! If you still own a PHEV, can you please tell me if someone has ever replaced the battery in this car? I am thinking to buy a used 12.2015 (year 2016) car with 140k driven, imported from Netherlands to Finland. I am a bit concerned about the battery life of this car as people say that it degrades and battery capacity drops. I also read online that IF PHEV has a battery with less than 26Ah capacity, it would be replaced by Mitsubishi dealers when the car has less than 160k km and less than 8 years. Is that true? I need your help!

[@NitroCharger]

Hii. i m from Turkey / İstanbul. İ like your videos. Please make more long videos

[@LowOnCash]

Thanks for the greta video does the App work on the 2023 model? Mike

[@ninjaninja9954]

I got an outlander but what is the best general B setting for my wife? I don't want her to start changing around stuff on the go. But I think B3 is the best mode? Reason is it provides some charging which maybe equal to the miles you save while coasting in B0, acts like an engine brake which can make you slow down quicker in an emergency situation and B3 is not that difficult to feather the pedal to make it coast on a faster road

[@Charlieczek]

Hello, I tried this on our highway. Not bad. BUT - in ECO mode battery wasn't almost being charging. If I drive in NORMAL mode, charging was much better.

[@chrisiebebop1]

Hi Andy I'm from the UK I have a 2015 outlander PHEV and I am looking at a average 19 miles on a full charge, with no heat or lights. My car is currently with Mitsubishi just now and I have had a call to ask me what I thought was wrong with the car I've told them that I feel I should be getting a lot more than that. And basicly they are trying to fob me off with " well it depends how you drive and if it's cold outside and all that nonsense. I will try and find out from them what the capacity of the batterys amp hours is when I pick it up tonight. Do you remember what the amp hours was on the full change when you got the procedure done that took you state of health back to 99.7%. This info would be much appreciated. Thanks. Ps really enjoy you videos.

[@unpluggedEV]

You need to get the Dog and show them the numbers. The GOM cannot be used and it totally depends on how you drive it.

[@aarmanslibrary3174]

Great video... Sir

[@johnford9140]

Hi, i have been watching many of your informative vids since buying my phwv. My only comment in this video is you recommend using the charge mode instead of save mode as it saves a litre in comparison. But what about battery degradation? If you charge, recharge 3x during the trip and save a litre, have you not just taken 3 cycles from you battery instead? Would the latter cost not be more? Also, in save mode, would you not benefit from regenerative braking thus perhaps giving you lots of charge towards the end?

[@unpluggedEV]

That's not quite how it works. The DoD (depth of discharge) is what counts. A full cycle would be a 100% DoD (from 100% to 0%). In Charge mode we charge the battery up maybe 5-10% only, say from 60% - 70%. The DoD would be only 10% in this case, so 1/10 of a cycle. In Save mode the car does it automatically and charges around 3%, turns off the engine and uses these 3% of electric energy. The DoD is only 3% but far more frequent then with the Charge mode example. I found as the engine stays on for longer it operates in a more efficient way and uses less fuel therefore.

[@Uajd-hb1qs]

I had a Volvo diesel hybrid and I’ve tried using these techniques but it seemed to behave very differently. The big difference is it didn’t have a proper glide function; the motor would initiate a minimum regen when the throttle was released and the intensity would increase through the brake peddle. The only times it wouldn’t regenerate when coasting would be if the engine was on or if it was in “pure” mode and travelling over 45mph so the rolling resistance was certainly very different to this car. Another difference I’ve just noticed rewatching this video is the charge function in the Volvo would charge the battery regardless of throttle position and it would charge the battery to only 48%. It put a lot of load on the engine, dropping my fuel economy all the way to 25mpg while I averaged 54mpg without it. The battery also seemed to lose an unusual amount of battery power even when stationary. I once lost 10% battery charge just going through a McDonald’s drive-thru which just didn’t seem right. Anyway, I know I couldn’t optimise it’s performance cuz I couldn’t monitor the battery health to the degree you can and the faults it has, I’m not willing to put the money into it right now. I must ask though, when your car is gliding with no regen, what would be powering the car’s auxiliary systems? Would it be the main battery or would there be another source?

[@maxim552]

getting my 2020 phev tomorrow. trading my chev colorado for it. this is all new to me so have to ask what did you actually do here. just hit charge mode and go and not change anything. i have to do 4 1800 klm round trips a year and would like to get the best mpg possible. also can you start off in ev, put in charge mode when depleted, then ev again when charged and keep repeating. would this not give you great mpg? again all new to me just asking. tks geoff

[@airestocky]

Hi Andy, thanks for sharing this - it‘s like a preparation until I‘ve my own one (PHEV arriving 04/2019) - one question: why are you using Charge instead of Save uphill? Your intention is to fire the patrol engine, right? In Save mode this would work also, right? Or do I overlook something? Thanks again, viele Grüße, Klaus

[@airestocky]

got it by watching and listening carefully :-)

[@unpluggedEV]

@@airestocky Charge keeps the engine running for longer which is more efficient. Save will intermittent start the engine. It takes longer to warm up, more emissions, less efficient. The two modes do not make a difference uphill but it's just a habit.

[@BuntaBall40]

Andy, are you still running phev box

[@dickthompson8018]

Andy, I have a theoretical question. If you keep the car in in B3 for example, and could use the "gas" pedal with just the right light touch, letting up partially to coast, would that be similar to switching to B0, and letting up on the pedal all the way?

[@unpluggedEV]

Yes, that is possible. I used to drive in B5 all the time and just compensate the gas to let the vehicle coast. If you watch the Dog though, it is very very difficult to hold this exact point... Watch EP60 in which I explained that.

[@dickthompson8018]

unplugged EV thanks for the reply Andy. I don't have a PHEV yet, but am following you and others to learn what I can, hope to get one next year, possibly when the 2019 with the larger batteries comes to US. I think I understand the B setting and how coasting effects energy consumption , thanks to your videos. Now comes the question of what B setting to use when there is a driver that doesn't understand all of that . For example if someone ( no not my wife🙄),, who has a lead foot and and gets less mpg than I do in the same car, goes thru brake pads twice as fast as I do in the same ice car. Coasting is not her strong suit. So would driving in a higher B setting all the time, be the best choice, to regen as much as possible, to keep the friction brakes use down. When the brake pedal is pushed, does the regen come on at a high level automatically ? Sorry to write so much. Thanks

[@scottclementbuilt7213]

so think of it as resistance you get more regen, but takes more gas pedal to push against the resistance, i think there is more loss because the load to fill the battery. think less resistance and less gas pedal would yeild the best result. you can save your brake pads by using more B3-4-5

[@basiorpiotrek]

Toll video aber wie viel brauche benzin das fahrzeug bei 130-140 km/h ? ( autobahn ) Danke 👍

[@unpluggedEV]

So schnell duerfen wir hier nicht fahren ;)

[@basiorpiotrek]

OK 😂😁 Ich auch, aber ich muss ein paar mal im jahr auf die autobahn fahren ( fast 700 km. eine seite ) darum ich frage.

[@brucedockrey3409]

Hi Andy I have a question what dose eeprom abnormal BMU mean and how do i fix it Regards Bruce

[@micktierney65]

Andy what app are you using I have just the basic app. I live in the UK?

[@micktierney65]

Andy cancel Ive seen it it's for android. I have IOS

[@unpluggedEV]

​@@micktierney65 You can use the EVBatMON which is also for iOS. It does very similar things. evpositive.com/evbatmon-for-phev-ios.html

[@don.timeless4993]

Good job. I already love this SUV! But the 40 km battery is disappointing! I think most of people wants to drive the PHEV cars all the day electrically & gasoline only for emergencies! They should have shrinked gasoline engine components for the batteries capacity. It'll be on my list until they increase batteries capacity. & I hope they enhance the range even more with the upcoming sold state batteries!

[@unpluggedEV]

Problem is, you carry this heavy engine, transmission, tank, cooler, exhaust, ... with you all the time. Makes the car really inefficient. Also, you still need to do maintenance on the vehicle even you have not used the engine much.

[@ajwraith]

Can I ask about the use of charge mode approaching the hill and then climbing it. You turned it off it the top. I’d like to know why please

[@unpluggedEV]

Hi Andrew, this is all in my other videos about the PHEV. I made a lot of tests and I'm sure I covered this question a few times...

[@lennonbg]

Andy, about the reset on PHEV, one man says this, is that correct? Read about lithium batteries how they work in automotive applications if you want to understand the issue you have created. By resetting the BMU you have basically eliminated the bottom buffer of the battery which means that you have increased its DoD. Just by doing this every time now when you discharge the battery below that artificial bottom buffer (which you do not have any more) you will be accelerating the degradation of the battery. You also risk experiencing issues such as car suddenly stopping while driving with EV system error message. You have not fixed anything with BMU reset. By such reset you just borrowed for a short term some longer EV range driving in exchange for more rapid battery degradation in the future and reduced overall lifetime of the battery. There is really no free lunch here. It is your battery, so it is up to you what you want to do with it, but that reset was not a smart thing to do and as I wrote before, nothing to be proud of.

[@unpluggedEV]

No, that's not what the reset does. We have tested the DOD and all other parameters in every detail here on the channel. It is purely software related, nothing else. It will not harm the battery.

[@ahmadbagheri4407]

Hello. I do not know English well. I understood correctly. In the long run for low consumption, I have to press the charge button when the battery runs out and drive in B0 mode. Did I get it right? Thank you very much for your help

[@scottphilips8514]

Electrical power is not as efficient at high speeds The motor isn’t as efficient at low speeds. Use charge function if you are travelling at high speeds approaching an urban area where you don’t want the engine on and you don’t have enough charge to make it through .

[@viduwedda1883]

Hi Andy. How much cost for one Km. (Mean $) Thanks extremely very excellent video.

[@robertpeace4596]

What did the car do per mph?

[@wimalkumara4289]

I need some advise on the transfer box oil change please. Mine is 2014 PHEV and already done around 58k KMs. Do i have to change the transfer box or gear oil for that matter at 60k KMs?. Pl advise . Wimal from Sri Lanka.

[@unpluggedEV]

Best to look up the service/maintenance schedule for the vehicle in your country. It tells you what oil changes are due at what time.

[@wimalkumara4289]

Thank you

[@london2792]

If I want to drive less than 60km which mode I need to turn on?

[@nricz]

I'm wondering how much fuel it will use if you drive it with 0% battery from start to finish.

[@agilenjeyamraj1739]

110km/h = 8.0L/100km

[@BWT599]

I am a new owner of a 2018 PHEV model and the dealer rep told me to charge all the way through, I.e. with a charger plugged in all the way through to 100% and all the way through when pressing the charge button. I tried charging all the way through with charge button mode and the charge stopped about 90%. The rep told me to do full charged in order to protect the battery from deteriorating.

[@unpluggedEV]

What the rep tells you... he's got no idea about battery management. The charge stops at 90%, OK. I can imagine that this is very wasteful in fuel consumption. The energy the battery takes is fairly small at this SOC so probably not worth charging above 80%.

[@BWT599]

@@unpluggedEV to add more context, sometimes I want to just gain 5 to 10 km in EV after depleting my first full battery. So gaining 5 to 10 km via Gas charge is what the rep says is bad. I need these extra bumps in EV to idle in EV while my kids nap in congested urban settings during winter and summer months in Canada. I have also found though that even if I'm at zero for EV there is enough of a reserve to idle in EV state for maybe 20 to 30 minutes more which is really helpful.

[@dionysusrizon6868]

Like it

[@esa4aus]

In my 2015 PHEV , you can only use cruise control in D (adaptive) not any of the B5-B0 so you can’t control the regents/coast. I understand that may be different in other years.

[@RobertHutton]

In my 2014, you can set the B value to anything before you engage cruise control but B0 - B2 get changed to B2 and B3 - B5 are kept.

[@fbottone]

Is there a difference in engine RPM/output between Save mode and charge mode?

[@unpluggedEV]

No difference.

[@fbottone]

@@unpluggedEV Ah thank you! I am trying to figure out how this works. I owned a Volt previously, and mountain mode (similar to charge mode) would increase engine output to slowly increase SOC. Hold mode would just make enough to prevent SOC from dropping.

[@unpluggedEV]

@@fbottone Sounds like the same in the PHEV (Charge and Save mode). Charge mode slowly increases your SoC while Save works intermittent to hold your actual SoC level. I found charge mode a little bit more efficient as I can use the battery power at a later state again. It depends a bit what journey you do...

[@fbottone]

@@unpluggedEV Ah! This makes sense now, thank you!

[@joemendoza8232]

What about driving 50 to 150 km open road highway mostly flat surface? Save vs Charge?

[@unpluggedEV]

There is no 150km/h here in AU. Madness to drive that fast with such a car.

[@MichaelDrMann]

unplugged EV it is not madness - ur not used to it - in Germany it is common

[@NikoAbston]

I drive 100km to work and home each way.. 200 per day. Speed limit in my US State highway is 105km/h 65 mph. I try best to keep this speed as this is the top speed I've found to be optimal for the hub single speed. However, driving this limit in the US results in dangerous situation as other drivers maintain 20mph more than the limit.

[@supernova655]

i want to buy this car for same distance ...highway everyday 200km. speed 100km/h... what consumption will be ? Tnx

[@Secretlyanothername]

US is crazy. Here in Australia there are lot of speed cameras, many of which are hidden, and police will pay attention to you if you're going more than about 10km/h (6mph) over the posted limit. People complain about it all the time, but we have traded speed for safety.

[@NikoAbston]

@@Secretlyanothername i moved within 20mi from work 1 year ago. I drive EV to work, and EV home (charging at work). Pandemic made that less frequent, however.

[@eugenfrostman674]

Hallo, kannst du deine Videos auch auf deutsch machen? Das wäre sehr nett))

[@IanNelson]

Why use B0 and not B1 or B2 - do they not charge more?

[@unpluggedEV]

You need to watch the other videos. It's all explained in there.

[@maddoxlopez5748]

Where can I get this PHEV WATCHDOG THING

[@unpluggedEV]

All info are in the description.

[@maddoxlopez5748]

Thanks

[@ZERGG0]

4000 subscribers already HAHA!

[@unpluggedEV]

That's crazy, right!

[@electrikabd5240]

How can you stay in Regen B0 at 50km/h speed continuously?

[@shadowbanned5164]

Downhill slope will allow that 0 setting is no braking pretty much coasting.

[@roltol7539]

full charge and full tank how many KM you can drive on a highway ?

[@shadowbanned5164]

Depends on the highway and ambient temperature etc etc but he got 4 liters per 100km in this video if you equate that out to a 45 liter tank it gives you just over 1100km range.

[@BELHORIZON31]

I am commuting every day to work 110 km return, what i should do?

[@ironman8257]

change job

[@PSL523]

Hi how do I switch from petrol to eco?

[@unpluggedEV]

Really?

[@laurentiutrifan8173]

You're funny af :-)

[@MikeStoddart]

What is B0?

[@unpluggedEV]

Start here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIDVcnmQmtqFitE

[@plconic8817]

Хорошее видео. Жаль только не понимаю по английски.

[@unpluggedEV]

Ну, это не хорошо, тогда просто смотрю видео: \

[@stickysquirrel2116]

Should've switched on the engine earlier. it didn't even reach regular working temperature.86-90degrees. Also why not use cruise control ? And I'd rather start the car only once. starting strains the engine ALOT.

[@RobertHutton]

Cruise control doesn't let you glide. B2 is the minimum.

[@stickysquirrel2116]

@@RobertHutton I know. But it also consumes just enough energy to move the vehicle. So while it doesn't glide it's overall consumption should be better.

[@RobertHutton]

But it will potentially accelerate harder than you would. It puts the priority on keeping the car going at the exact speed, and will fluctuate the power more than you as a driver who can allow the speed to fluctuate and keep the power usage down.

[@stickysquirrel2116]

@@RobertHutton well the cruise control never accelerates as fast as I would. Now for shorter trips cruise is ALOT less viable. And I live in a hilly area for my country's standards. So even B2 will let my car glide due to the weight. Anyway for medium/long trips the cruise control will almost always come out on top.

[@ariemulderij4341]

why are you driving on the wrong side of the road 😆

[@16jchan]

COWARD!!!!!!1 6:03