EP177 - Archer Class USS Sagittarius

Today we look at a fun little ship that has quickly become a fan favorite. The Archer class, or as some may know her better the USS Sagittarius. We were lucky enough to get very detailed deck plans from the very talented Scott Bell-Fleitas and you can order then for yourselves as well from his Amazon page at: amzn.to/2cczAXo
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[@ShinyaKogamiawesome]

The Archer-Class is the Millennium Falcon of Star Trek.

[@ShinyaKogamiawesome]

Or the Firefly of Star Trek

[@adamlytle2615]

It's actually considerably smaller than Serenity!

[@ShinyaKogamiawesome]

+Adam Lytle Yeah the Archer-Class could almost fit in the cargo bay of the Firefly-Class

[@JonarusDraconius]

Oh hello Qrow! What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be helping your nieces? ~JD

[@ShinyaKogamiawesome]

+JonarusDraconius I'm improving my knowledge on space travel. We all need something to keep us from getting to bored offer all.

[@Shadow5220]

On the bunk issue, in WW2 submarines often ran in shifts crew sharing bunks. Day shift would work while night shift sleeps and vice versa. I'm over simplifying here but you get the idea. Space was on a premium so they had to use every bit efficiently.

[@Questron71]

And at 25 m for the main deck they might have more space than most oft he WW II classes of submarine that only featured a single deck inside a 40-60 m cigar shaped hull... "Typ VII" one of the most often built german designs for example had a volume inside the pressure body of 45.5 m length and 4.7 m diameter... That would be like a circle of 13-16 m diameter with a bit over 1 deck in size... crew? at least 42 people!

[@TheJMPD]

Of course it is a small vessel... "SCOUT" ship! Remember, the Universe is HUGE! What better way to explore, than with small, fast ships. Think Lewis & Clark type missions. Personally. I love this design

[@mattmon6118]

The Sagittarius also appears in the series of novels "Star Trek: Seekers." I thought I was remembering it wrong when I thought there were twelve crew members, but after double checking on memory beta, there are 14 crew members and they do sleep two to three in one room with bunks. It also has auxiliary vehicles for land and water. I'm so glad you made a video about this tough little ship.

[@mattmon6118]

As a side note, I don't think the class is named after Archer, I think it's just meant to be Archers. I don't know any other ships of the class, but Sagittarius is an archer.

[@ScottBellFleitas]

According to the authors, It's named after Jonathan Archer, AND the rest of the class are named for archers, both historical and mythical.

[@wclv1810]

Looks like we're setting a course straight into the.... *DANGER ZONE*

[@casey9439]

That's a plucky little scout. I love it! the crosssection shows a torpedo magazine down the middle of ten to twenty rounds.

[@paulwarren9927]

Awesome little ship. Love how the saucer, secondary hull, and deflector all fit together. It actually reminds me a bit of the Perseus class in STO, but the Sagittarius looks much much better.

[@creepyrobot23-50]

I built a model of a custom designed Starship in Minecraft and it looks just like this! I had never seen this ship before.

[@orionslaver432]

I saw on deviantart that it can actually fit in a Constitution class' shuttlebay, albeit with absolutely no margin for error when landing.

[@georgesulea]

14 man ship, hotbunking for everyone but captain and xo. No turbo lifts...cool little cutter/PT boat/scout.

[@nedt8778]

I really love this little ship. When I was searching for additional images through Bing I found a couple images of what appears to be a refit of the archer class, with some nice late TOS elements.

[@AndyBuildsStuff]

Love this design, it's got pretty much all the bits that I want in a starship, but small enough to build it out of Lego. I'd reduce the enlisted crew to eight (from 12) and add a bunk to each cabin - so each crewmember at least gets their own bed. I enjoyed your video, although I'd love to see the images you're talking about take up more of the screen.

[@flyingfortress15]

There just something I like about the sheer tinyness of this class that I like.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

I have watched this almost every day for a week. i love this lil ship. gummie kicked in but al is good fellas. cheers

[@andrekirkman3402]

You guys should consider posting the image diagrams in the description so we can see it better.

[@ScottBellFleitas]

They're for sale at the link given in the description.

[@hallevingston2892]

A dozen crew members. Hot bunking it. Except the CO and XO only having private cabins.

[@adamgrog9614]

very nice little ship. and well thought out. its like a u-boat.

[@jacobvaughn9276]

It's tiny and perfect. This is the ship i'd love to tool around the alpha quadrant in.

[@1Kaisermerlin]

I would love to have this as my personal ship.... we need a Star Trek Version of Star Citizen...

[@stevenheckert4515]

it looks like what the Vulcan Stephen would have flown around in from the Book Their First Mission.

[@kos2919]

So a scam project?

[@watchthe1369]

I think they are trying that with Picard.....and not doing to good.

[@emu2020]

I like this little ship. It is one of the few Trek designs that doesn't look crazy sitting on the ground. I would love a model of one around 1:100 scale. I know that is crazy sounding but it would go well with some tabletop gaming stuff I have making it dual purpose as cool eye candy and a usable game piece.

[@gaetanbard102]

The vessel his build like a submarine, in real life you do share bunk.

[@Questron71]

With the measuring grid below the picture the saucer to Impulse Engine outlets is 25 m and the back part including the nacelles is roughly 20 m to that... with less than three decks of height it should be roughly the interior volume of two trailer homes or something like six-eight shipping containers (12 m * 3 m * 3 m). Not very luxuriously, but manageable for a crew of about 14.. The ship has not lifts... only ladders (like in TOS the Jefferies Tubes would sometimes have)

[@vishnu79]

With regard to the "bunking" issue, only the Captain and (maybe) XO would have a single compartment/bed, the Medical and Engineering Officer (likely very junior officers at that) would share a compartment with a bunk, and the other crew would also share. It is also very likely that the enlisted crew uses what the Navy calls "hot-bunking" where you would sleep in "your" bunk while offshift (assuming a 12 on/12 off shift cycle) while your counterpart was onshift, and he/she would sleep in "your" bunk while you were onshift.

[@Formulka]

such a cute little ship, well thought out as well

[@BillWJr2]

My comment is not about the ship from the video. It's actually about what he said about the towers in the background of one of the pictures that the ship is on the ground. He said they look like the towers from The Men In Black movie. I guess they sort of do. But all I wanted to say was that those towers in the MIB movie are actually real structures that were built for the New York City Worlds Fair and are not far away from CitiField where the NY Mets play. I just got a chuckle out of that and thought I'd pass it along. Great video as always.

[@gregoryshorts700]

I have seen this episode like 6 times already and i just cant get enough of the Archer class. I believe i need to sit down and pay homage to this design and design an Archer Two class. I'm thinking just q bit bigger but not that much.

[@novax-ig9yt]

Pretty cool looking ship! I think a TNG-era version of the Archer class would have been cool to see on DS9, along side the runabouts.

[@robwong7206]

Well, other than the Capt and XO, I think everyone else would be doubling up in quarters with 2, maybe 4 bunks. They did pack people in on the TOS ships.

[@mikeb6572]

In the books they were hot bunking. 4 Beds for 12 people sleeping in shifts. The CO and XO got thier own bunks in very small rooms.

[@shawn2780]

I haven't read the books (which it sounds like I need to remedy, I love the idea of small little ships like this- like a submarine in space!) but this makes sense, as not everyone would be asleep at once (who'd run the ship?) Edit- this is what I get while commenting while watching.. They mention this specifically

[@mikeb6572]

Me too. I was commenting on your comment before I was done watching the video. :)

[@UserNameMandatory]

in Voyager, Tuvak's flashback to serving under Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, he goes back to rack out and you see how the lower ranks are bunked.

[@stevenheckert4515]

true but I still think it is dumb... first of all with a crew of ONLY 14 your captain is at best a very Junior LTC most likely a Full LT . is it really necessary to have an official XO position rather than just have it be the next senior officer. with that being said it is DUMB to have two cabins that only are used by a single occupant nd requiring the rest of the crew split their bunks three ways... personally I would have ALL six cabins have triple bunks with the at least one bunk in each cabin stowed into a wall or Roof or floor slot for emergency evacuation, medical missions, and troop transport. I would also find a way to use the sick bay, conference room and maybe some little area up in the upper deck converted to sleeping arrangements. quite frankly it ridiculous to extend full captain and XO privileges to such a junior officer at the expense of the comfort of the rest of the crew.

[@gordon5004]

A beautiful ship. Walking around it would be trippy. Count me in.

[@deepsixer611]

I'm not a big fan of the Year TOS ships the cost to tint glasses Dee anyone I like but I must admit looking at is Archer class I love it I think brilliant little ship. They should also give it the option of weapons pod mounted on top like on the Miranda class and the Runabout.

[@MrSheckstr]

14 man crew and six cabins.... Here is how it would work First of all your Captain is likely only going to be an officer of O-3 rank at the most or a Full Lieutenant so it's not really necessary for him to have an exclusively private room (actually I would have replaced the conference room with a ready room with a pull out couch, any meeting requiring more than four people could just be a PA announcement or informally in the hallway. But let's get back)..... Your XO then would likely be an O-2 Lt with two other officers being ensigns (maybe one of them a chief) Those would be bunked in the two forward cabins that would have two bunks. Your aft cabins would all have three bunks with each bunk geared so that unused bunks can be stowed closest to the ceiling and floor and the remaining bunks equally spaced in the remaining area. These cabins would be for crew with one room reserves for the most senior two crewman as a sort of "goat locker"

[@MrSheckstr]

This would give you 16 beds (17 if you convert the conference room in a captains cabin) for a 14 man crew. Given that most likely this ship would be attached to a base or station anytime it isn't at full operational capacity the night shift could be as few as 1-3 people. While it looks good on paper to simply have a 3 or 4 watch rotation an efficient division of labor would have a portion of the crew assigned to mid watch ( say in a 3 watch crew your shift change is on the 8s then one station in three is actually relieved at the 8s+4, with 4 watch rotation you would have shifts on the 6s with 1:3 stations relieve at the 6s+3)

[@hicks45146]

Defo like this ship. They should put this in to STO or maybe in one of the new series that they are doing but slightly upgraded to suite the era. Let's hope that one of the producers takes a look and likes the idea. As for the room space for crew they could have pull down bunk beds put in there for more space for the crew or to help add a few more crew for long range scouting. One of my favourite ships so well done to the designer!!! Well impressed and thanks for sharing.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

watching again. i just love it so much. rotating quarters,logical. small and functional. Very logical in space.

[@markbrowne181]

I have commanded this ship (in an RP setting) . 3 decks, 14 crew, including Captain and XO. Could be configured on the fly for scientific and compbative scoult missions. Fits very comfortably in a Constitution Class Shuttle Bay. Highly manuverable, with a top speed of Warp Factor 7.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Commander Cocking needs to go on a submarine or an old sailing ship. Rooms are usually tiny on those ships and they're actually huge vessels. Two of my uncles served on submarines during the cold war in the 50s and 60s. They both told me you had to be a special kind of person to live and work on a submarine for long periods. THey saw people lose their shit being trapped inside for too long. Also why does everything have to be an era thing? Like the self illumination. I think it just makes more sense that we simply didn't see it in TOS, but it was always there. Just like the RCS thrusters and the phaser banks. When it comes to continuity I think Occam's Rrazor fits best.

[@whatsoperadoc7050]

26:19 “Hot bunking” is the answer for the “missing” bunks.

[@cdlord80]

Looking at the deckplans, there are six rooms for quarters. You can house 12 crew if everyone double bunks or 10 if the captain and XO have private rooms.

[@marketingmajor8126]

Length: 45 meters. Width: 22.5 meters. Height: 9 meters. Crew Complement: 14. The Sagittarius has a top cruising speed of roughly Warp 9.4 (TNG scale). She has a single, multipurpose probe/torpedo tube, but she usually carries only about four photon torpedoes at any given time. She has twin phaser nodes, both mounted on the dorsal side of her saucer (which makes the ship a bit more vulnerable on its ventral side. The Archer-class ships are actually newer than the Constitution-class ships and can also outrun and outmaneuver Constitution-class ships (in part because of their superior power-to-mass ratio), but the Archer-class ships are not made to last long in firefights. They are designed as high-speed outriders, and their loadouts are specialized for scouting operations and long-range reconnaissance.

[@markfields6797]

thank you guys so much for doing this awesome ship. I wish all well

[@Ibushi]

Ladder - Can you just lower or turn off the gravity plates for that area so the ladder is more like guide rails for when you jump?

[@frankharr9466]

I think the necelle-caps make sense if you posit that they're pulling in H from a wider angle. 9.00 m is a tad closer to 29.5 or 30 ft. and 44.0 m would be 144 ft.

[@spencesanders7879]

I use this ship for my Star Trek games. Works great.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

One of my favorite ships. The Star Trek version Millinium Falcon and also Firefly. Not actually but very cool,and all 3 are that cool equally. If that makes any sense at all

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

i totally agree. wait, who are you again?

[@MarkaNgamer]

One of the best looking TOS ships by far!

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

All it needs is an engine upgrade,some ablative armour and its a beast of a tiny ship. A mild tractor beam would be cool too. just for mining and rescue of small objects

[@RMS148]

As an Star Trek engineer I would build in little 3 open antigrav circle platforms as lifts. Just for one person, just step on and it goes to next deck In a emergency with no main power, ladders fould out of the wall, so you can get to next deck.

[@darrellboggess4954]

makes me think of the Runabouts so often used in DS9

[@aiosquadron]

It's something in between a runabout and a corvette.

[@bradleypotts9865]

Feels like the fore bearer of the Runabouts.

[@lunatickgeo]

My favorite Star Trek ship

[@winkles2314]

One of my favourite ships, thanks for the upload guys :)

[@l.clevelandmajor9931]

One of my favorite designs in the Federation fleet. The small size ensures that there are not a whole lot of crew members to deal with. And because it is small, it has a tiny profile ; becoming much harder to hit than the larger ships. With the Warp capabilities I dare say it can hold its own in a fight, with ship a good bit larger. As a Scout, I see it being quite fast for its day; perhaps able to warp in, either strike, grab intel, or enemy technology, and warp out before the enemy can react. Of course it won't always work that way, but with the right captain and crew, it could fly rings around the bigger ships. It is a ship that has only enough room to handle what it needs. Incidentally, to all my trekkie friends that work in 3D art applications, this ship is available for several applications, such as Poser, DAZ Studio, Lightwave, 3DS Max, etc. Check out Star Trek Artists Unite at DeviantArt, and you can see a lot of great Star Trek artwork, as well as find links to 3D art products, all of which you may download for free. I recommend getting into doing art in the Star Trek universe.

[@Taorakis]

The Crew compartments seem to be a bit higher, which fits the novels sine all crew quarters are for at leas 2 crew members, i think the total number was 12 or something? so 4x2 + 2... more or less fits. ;) It's been a while since i listend to all the novels (in audio form) but please guys, read/listen to them, they are very nice. :) You will get so much more love for that ship out of it! The 2 vehicles are somekind of cargo lifter buggies. :) Not Motorcycles.

[@JohnWaclawski]

Look at the plans on the link you posted to Amazon. You can see it doesn't "balance" itself on the 2 landing pads but rests on, what appears to be the deflector dish, underbelly mount.

[@Questron71]

I'd call that a "skid" like the snowboard like appliance some glider planes have to land on... which also can take on the look of a kind of keel on lots of small boats...

[@a.j.leonard964]

Though little ship!!!!!

[@glenmcinnes4824]

Actually you could park the thing on a vacant 32 perch (apx 25m frontage) house block, diagonally, if the Neighbors don't mind a touch of overhang, but that's only the sourer section, without giving up Cargo space for mobile labs you can only do Astro-Sciences, perhaps basic Bio & Medical or run Physics simulations on the computers, perhaps some basic Materials Sciences in Engineering. the rest of the mission profile would be Humanities. this is clearly an Advance ship for something larger.

[@davidponseigo8811]

It's a damn torpedo launcher, everyone knows that.

[@robdee7520]

The Archer Class is a true Scout Ship, designed to quickly explore new planets or regions of space, for later expeditions for more better equipped ships. According to Deviantart.com, Archers were amongst the fastest ships of the TOS era, highly maneuverable, and customized by their individuals Captains.

[@beejcarson]

Nice little design

[@lawneymalbrough4309]

It says scout so it's not designed for long missions. Just pop out into space quickly for a look around and head back home. Crew would be small. Probably doesn't have much in the way of defensive weapons. They would rely on speed to get away from danger. Probably a bit faster than a constitution class ship.

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

I really love this little ship!! I think it should be larger because of the nacelles .. they look like they are larger than they must be to match the proprtions of the windows

[@T1fl0]

What a beautiful ship!

[@dunsel5887]

with an 8 hour sleep cycle you can do a 3 shift work rotation. That's 5'ish people on duty it any given time. Or have 2 shifts with 7 on duty. But that's along work day. And during battle all 14 are up tending repairs and stuff. I don't know why you'd need to store so much water. the Bussard's collect hydrogen & oxygen that can be used in a fuel cell and make water and power. I do like the ship !! and the books...

[@johngregory4801]

You and I know every journey is over when they run out of Corona...

[@JonarusDraconius]

It seems like a 'carrier frigate' size ship (to put it in STO terms - And speaking of which, I'd LOVE to see it implemented as an OS version there of) ~JD

[@NostalgiaBrit]

I would be proud to own & Captain an Archer-Class starship… Minimal crew (pilot, engineer, medic etc.), and it'd be like my very own version of Firefly! The only thing better would be to actually own a Firefly-Class ship, like Serenity!

[@glenmcinnes4824]

It's the size of a two story house (without attic?), I wounder if you could knock the crew numbers down by making sure the Crew where also fully qualified Mission Specialists. minimum of four people per watch (Command, Helm, Opps, Engineer) perhaps with a dedicated Medical Officer (also the Bio Sciences Officer), you could skeleton it down to eight if you extended the watches out to twelve hours.and eliminated a dedicated MO. or even down to 4-6 if used as a Patrol Cutter (6hr patrol range) or if you where taxi flighting it through safe space for 3-5 days transit time.

[@superdave6889]

Trekyards: judging by the size of the vessel, the crew would probably "hot bunk", the interior feels like it should be very ww2 submarine-esque (only the captain has his own cabin that probably doubles as his day cabin/office, officers bunk together 2 to a cabin, enlisted 4-6 to a cabin in stacked bunks with hot bunking) just my thoughts as to how the interior would be.

[@Questron71]

absolutely confirmed by the novels!

[@trr94001]

Looks like one of Masao Okazaki's ships.

[@addier44]

Based on Okazaki's Paris class Starship design in the Star Fleet Museum website. That site also has deck plans which show the vessel has six decks and is larger scale than shown here.

[@kennethsumida5264]

I agree. I'd like to see this ship in sto. and any fan made trek show. it looks just right for a support craft or patrol ship.

[@larqven0192]

I liked it as a 'split level' deck plan. I'm not surprised about the ladders, but some sort of "Lost in Space" elevator surely could have been put in, and would have made moving of cargo easier, I should think? Surely the ship would have made a good exterior for the "Lost in Space" ship! This is similar to how the interior of that iconic ship with such a large interior space discrepancy! While I have said I support larger ships, that is generally meant as colonizers or other people or material movers. Star Fleet and the Star Trek universe is oft based on smaller ships. The hero ships of TOS and TNG we've seen are to be the giants of Star Fleet of their respective eras. The few civilian craft of Star Trek, at least of the TOS era are often presented as glorified shuttles in size, very similar to this, or even smaller. Also, while clearly a very small ship, if this ship was seen before "Star Wars" came out, I don't think that the emphasis of 'It's SUCH a SMALL ship would there.Almost all Star Fleet ships are between this ship and the Constitution in size. Many congregating at the median between the two, and some being closer to the Archer than the Median, I would suspect.Cool that the ship lands, as it is small enough to be easily believable. It does make me wonder how ships like shuttles and such control their descent and final landing without obvious thrusters. With artificial gravity, I suppose counter force might be generated within a ship's hull for landings?

[@tsambkos]

I love small spaces. this so would work brilliantly as a space yacht

[@JamesOxford98]

The top view is slightly voyager-ish, and the small scout skeletion crew is defiant-ish.

[@JessHull]

I would love this as the "captains yacht" on a Connie. I know theres now place to really put it but I would commission the San Francisco ship yards to retro fit it into the saucer section of the Connie.

[@90lancaster]

It could be nested on the top of a saucer or between the nacelles of a standard design ship I guess. or even fitted in the lower cargo bay area (the bit they never show) where the hull scoops out - or that scoop could be extended and one fitted in a special extension for it. something like this would be great slotted into the sphere of a Olympic class or the Deadalus Class too. It reminds me a bit of what a Obereth Class would be like without the Pontoon.

[@markplott4820]

Down again photo looks like the B-rel BoP in ST:IV voyage home when it was landed on Vulcan. Pretty cool.

[@1976Boats]

Just FYI, stairs on a ship (nautical type) are called ladders. It's possible that the ladders on this ship is more like the steep stairs on a warship.

[@Razorwind01]

looks like its straight from the Starfleet Museum. I noticed Masao Okazaki's credit on one of those plans.

[@todabrilla]

What a great design!!

[@yourseatatthetable]

Look's like something that the private sector might produce for commercial sale in the Federation.

[@watchthe1369]

2 pads and a skid under the deflector hull in the front.

[@LoneStarGemini]

It’s a fun little ship but the smallest TOS I prefer is Miranda class.✨🖖

[@tendergaming9400]

this would be awesome in the new show!!

[@turbopokey]

I have issue with the weight of the nacelles only being supported by those thin little struts during planetfall, feels like they should be sturdier for supporting the tonnage of the coils.

[@adamlytle2615]

Okay two more random thoughts: I really don't buy the idea of a transporter on a ship of this size in the TOS era. TNG era, sure. Which brings me to my second thought. Would love to see this in the TNG era and in fact it would be cool if DS9 had three of these instead of the Runabouts.

[@naomy1701]

13:45 the 25m are how long the line is, which fits about the main body of the ship, so with Nacelles its roughly 50m in length id guess (EDIT: ok nvm, our good captain explains it right after lol)

[@watchthe1369]

Yeah, I would say 3 to 6 man crew with RV scale crew accomodations.

[@markoeason6577]

Definitely a good ship

[@alanhembra2565]

Hot swapping the beds like they do in real life on submarines.

[@ericclarkson2252]

officers 2 to a room, crew is barracks. Captain may have own stateroom.

[@kennethsumida5264]

are you going todo a mission briefing on the sentinal class? I would love to see this ship.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

I love this ship

[@adamlytle2615]

Such a neat little ship. I'd love to see it docked on the back of a Constitution somehow - maybe some sort of docking apparatus between the nacelles or otherwise on the spine of the secondary hull. It makes sense for a frontier exploring ship like that to have a beefier advanced scout vessel than a shuttle.

[@beejcarson]

Nice design.

[@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind]

watching this again

[@jaywiegs1712]

It would be kinda neat to see 100 combat versions of these swarm out of the USS Vengeance / STO

[@thribs]

It looks like the TOS precursor to the Vesta Class.

[@Deth1977]

ladders are a more efficient use of space versus stairs.

[@alanhembra2565]

I'd love to see a refit era version of this ship.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

This ship would look like it would do well to be in a Wolf pack.

[@jeffturnbull9661]

It's a Starfleet iteration of a PT boat

[@MrSheckstr]

As far as weapons I would guess it only has phasers BUT I like the idea of it being able to have torpedo launcher pods that could be attached to the underside of the landing pads that would be ejected once spent. (So a cross between JFK's PT 109 and the rocket pods on an Apache Long Bow Attack helicopter

[@90lancaster]

Hard points for extra launchers would be useful but not as such for Torpedos (unless it was doing a bit or border patrol) but perhaps for replacing the communication enhancer buoys. or for an elaborate survey mission. I guess it could also load up a pallet in the back with a torpedo box launcher and fire them out of the landing door at the rear too. I would guess the ship is set up to be able to open the cargo hatch to space an isolate the rest of the ship.

[@christianbarger9524]

This is a resource scout ship. Run in, drop supplies off, run out. A TOS drop ship.

[@ak102986]

You guys does do a video about the Starfleet Museum.