Freespace - Terran Destroyers

[@MacsLore]

Now that you've scrolled down, check out www.hard-light.net/ to find how you can turn your copy of Freespace 2 from looking like something out of 1999, and have it look more modern with fancy lighting and higher-poly models. Just install your copy of FS2, then download and install Knossos.net from the HLP site. Not only does it have the MediaVPs that make Freespace look fine, it also acts a central repository for all the mods created over the years. Hard Light also has a Discord, located at discord.gg/jdbY7vz4 . Less important, but still important links: Bluesky: bsky.app/profile/macslore.bsky.social Patreon: www.patreon.com/c/user?u=98553222

[@ASpyNamedJames]

FS3 = Shivans + Humans vs Vasudans (Ancients) + Humans. Oops, I gave it away...

[@stormweaver2535]

I always wonder. When doing the mission where you fly a captured shiva ship to board the lucifer, could you honestly do it correctly or is the mission scripted to fail?

[@stormweaver2535]

Also one of my favorite things was being able to take down at least one shiva fighter before they unlocked shields.

[@captainandros]

@@stormweaver2535 I did that in a Valkyrie and had my ML 16 lasers on the nose of the ship with Fury Missiles and i was able to destroy 3 in that mission

[@bernardvc5820]

these are some excellent visuals there. Congrats from a FS player of the first hour

[@mikejalcock]

I love that people are still making content for a 25 year old game and giving it the admiration it deserves. Freespace 1 & 2 will forever be the best space sim's ever made. It's unforgivable that we'll never see a Freespace 3.

[@Gibson7Clans]

@@mikejalcock there are I think. Few spiritual successors, if I used that term right. 🤔 of Modders making full campaigns and stories, continuing the series in a well made way. I believe you can download them from the mod program, that this KZbinr talked about in his video post. I know it’s not the same as an official new game release. I’ve not tried them myself, but for some of the fan community. They are highly praised.

[@FunkThompson]

My headcanon is the Shivans just decided to all suicide when they blew up the Capella star. Probably due to boredom; "Man, these other species ain't got nothin'. This isn't even fun anymore." :D Because yeah, the end of Freespace 2 had a literal Armada of the Sathanas + escorts vs. well, the charred hull of the Colossus and a handful of smaller ships that couldn't survive a near pass of a Sathanas, much less a direct fight with hundreds. The Shivans had won, but said "Nah, this isn't even worth it" and blew themselves up ;)

[@pso1234]

Don't his a flag, I don't want an sequel by EA, UBSoft,... with the subtitle " To the money "

[@mikejalcock]

@@pso1234 fair call

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Might I suggest for you a modd from Freespace 2. Blue Planet and its sequels.

[@FunkThompson]

Freespace / Freespace 2 truly were my favorite Space Sims of the era. Plenty of contenders, but flying a fighter or bomber between those cap ships as they exchanged beams was pulse-pounding.

[@joefratianni8693]

Hell yes it was. Freespace 2 needs a redo in current graphic engines and it would blow anything out now out of the water.

[@FunkThompson]

@@joefratianni8693 Freespace 2, in Star Citizen's Engine. SOON (TM) :D

[@Slav4o911]

One of my favorite games and also the story is perfect, I love that we didn't win at the end, which is much more realistic in such scenario, in most sci-fi we win no matter the odds, in FS we don't... we just barely survive.

[@FunkThompson]

@@Slav4o911 Eh, I'm OK with the "not really a victory" ending, but we still have no idea why the Shivans did what they did. I think they intended a sequel that we just never got.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

We were like flies to them. 🙏🙄

[@DavidJC94]

Babe wake up, Mac's Lore dropped a new Freespace video!

[@feels-road9529]

Hell yeah!

[@dereksherwood3794]

I'll never forget watching the Colossus go down. I paused the game and sat there for a few minutes wondering "What the hell do we do now?". Such a mysterious ending. I wish we could get even a short story explaining what the Shivans were up to.

[@Aristocles22]

One of the devs gave us a little bit of info. The third game would be about the GTVA striking back, and as for Bosch, it didn't end well for him. He could communicate with the Shivans in the sense that he could say "words" they could understand, but he had no idea what those words were. He might have told them that he was delicious. In any event, they most likely killed him after examining him and his command crew, and by "examining", I mean "vivisecting."

[@maddlarkin]

​@@Aristocles22 It's such a shame that was never made, sad what ended up happening to Volition, but the guys who made Freespace were long gone when it finally shuttered

[@maddlarkin]

I remember having that after the Galatea went down, just staring numbly at the screen...

[@Aristocles22]

@@maddlarkin The main menu screen is different after that, as it shows the inside of the Bastion. Same thing with that one mission when you're on the Bastion on a transfer mission before the Galatea is destroyed.

[@Vilfy]

Nah for me the Galatea hit way more then the Colossus. Colossus was always just a npc ship for me, but Galatea or Psamtik.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

"We did it. We blasted that Sathanas! WE WON!" - GTVA "Now do it another 500 times." - Shivans

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

good job Patrick

[@Slav4o911]

It seems as we were busy building the Colossus the Shivans were also busy... 🤯 Though to me Lucifer seems to have been their scout fleet... their real fleet was what we encountered in FS 2. We were out of their league the whole time. It's funny how we prepared for 30 years to encounter another Lucifer (and hopefully beat it), just to lose again on a much bigger scale.

[@radastir]

I still remember this intel gathering side mission (do them!). GTVA Colossus defeated the Sathanas, badly damaged and in repair dock for the coming months, the alliance thought they had won the war and then you see the Sathanas fleet transit while sitting in your stealth recon fighter: 1 - 2 -3 - ... - 89 - 90 - 91 - and still counting...

[@saschafaser547]

I just wanted to take a moment to express my admiration for your fantastic KZbin video about the games Freespace & Freespace 2. Your passion for the game truly shines through, and the effort you put into creating this content is evident. I really appreciate the time and dedication you invested in this video. Keep up the great work!

[@MacsLore]

:3

[@Themans9875]

Awesome work, Freespace and some of its mods, especially Blue Planet, are such an excellent setting...thank you!

[@NovaCat-AG]

Subbed. Freespace was 60% of my childhood. Love that its not yet completely faded! Awesome animations btw!

[@Ozzyorcborne1]

Amazing video. I loved seeing the Hecate and Orion in those sweeping shots. Amazing stuff as always.

[@carlosalbertogarciamartine4150]

VOID people did one of more generous acts I can remembrer opening code and leting other people can use to their owns open games as, diaspora, Babylon 5 or the awasome Wing Commander Saga. Thanks guys ❤

[@crosana01]

I thought the canceled B5 game's code was still under lock and key???

[@charlesballiet7074]

one of my all time favorite scifi setting and I got to say despite her unsymmetrical layout I got a soft spot for the Orion's design

[@CodexIndia1]

Such a shame they don't make games this epic anymore.

[@Slav4o911]

It's almost unbelievable they didn't made a 3rd part, though knowing how they make games these days, they better not make one now. It would be only about money and to extend some corporate/political agenda.

[@Dawnesya]

It would be by a completely different team and companies, likely without the same feeling as before ​@@Slav4o911

[@RobG007]

Wooow, anybody else having goosebumps when remembering these masterpieces Freespace 1+2 by wathcing this summary vid? Nice job! Nostalgia is fine, but I will never play Freespace cuz it will never meet my expectations. You can have only one first time. And that one was Colosal. First time seeing many fighter pilots skirmishing on the tapestry of nebula, where you can't see your own tip of your nose, or then first time vitnessing a battlecruiser split on half by supermassive red laser, with the iconic sound effect. That feling cannot be recreated nor bested by any game. Not even the same game today. Technology in game dev progressed so it won't be the same feeling. But hell yeah, Freespace is a Legend!

[@Dawnesya]

Idk, it still feels good today. Also looks much better due to improvements. There are also many interesting fan campaigns.

[@razorramon3117]

For me, my freespace journey began with a demo disk in a PC Gamer magazine. I was hooked immediately. I recall getting the 1st game on my 16th birthday. My bro and me played countless campaign reruns, trying to best complete the missions, get the most rewards. Then the second game came out and we got to all that all over again. And then... I found the freespace SCP by pure chance. Absolutely amazing Job those guys did to the games and the mods are fantastic too. Especially the blue planet series. I really wish for the second iteration of WiH to be voice acted though.that would be amazing!!!

[@Lyonide]

Did not expect to see Freespace content in this day and age. Very cool.

[@Dawnesya]

Depends what you mean by "content". There are still campaigns being made, new graphical upgrades, people post gameplay videos :)

[@Lyonide]

@Dawnesya Just that it hit my feed without prompting really. Got me in the mood to play Blue Planet again.

[@Dawnesya]

@@Lyonide Well, Inferno just released with second part and re-done first part, has voices too if you want to try something new new :)

[@Lyonide]

@Dawnesya I 1000% do, last time I played though WiH none of it had VA.

[@madeinraklandinc]

Let's go. New free space lore vid

[@JonathanLundkvist]

The irony that a single Orion specced in Second Great War Configuration most likely could have won the Great War all by itself.

[@chaszczek]

To win great war all that would be needed is tech to trace and hit lucifer in subspace

[@Yeehim]

The Deimos class still remains my favorite cap ship design to this day

[@Vilfy]

Yup, but I gotta admit pretty much all FS2 terran and vasudan ships looked great to me.

[@herpderp9774]

It is such a shame we never got a continuation of this series of games officially :(

[@NCC-72545A]

Chef's kiss On this video. Also, are you going to do a video on all the other Freespace capital ship types for each species?

[@MacsLore]

They are fertile ground for videos, even if they would be shorter. And I probably should circle around to doing the Fenris & Leviathan...probably.

[@Gibson7Clans]

Sweet! FreeSpace was great. 😁👍 would love to see more lore videos.

[@acewing1]

Some people’s childhood was Mario, Sonic, or Pac-Man. Mine was Alpha 1 Also, thanks for releasing this in my B-day. It was the first video I watched today! ❤❤

[@Palmerrip]

I missed out on Wing Commander, but I loved playing Freespace when I was young.

[@maciej2c]

if orion would orbit on the international space station 400km above earth, it would (from the side) apear visualy half+ the width of the moon (60% moon width) i also love how blue planet expand on the ship design into the future and anti shivian design (outdestroying the destroyers)

[@MacsLore]

Yeah it was kind of a stretch, but I thought it looked cool.

[@maciej2c]

@@MacsLore its not a neatpeak, just underlining how much subjugation can 1 ship impose on a planet population, now imagine colossus (its as long as 1.7 moon's width at 400km atlitude)

[@badgercdlyons]

Just for reference, a top speed of 15 m/s translates to 54 km/h or just under 33 mph. Imagine going from Earth to Mars at those breakneck speeds.

[@Gibson7Clans]

@@badgercdlyons it was in game speeds. 😆 interesting enough. Most sci-fis show space combat at slower dog fighting speeds. Also they had FTL for long distance travel.

[@PersonOfNoConsequence]

It's definitely a gameplay convention, and not something to be taken seriously. I like to mentally convert in-game velocities into acceleration, so an Orion would clock in at 15 meters per second per second, or roughly 1.5 G. Artificial gravity is a thing in this setting, so even fighters accelerating 10 times that figure would be okay.

[@Quecojo]

Love it. The Orion is so epic. Love this IP so much. Can’t wait for a mod in Sins of a Solar Empire 2

[@The_Viscount]

I feel like there was a Homeworld mod at some point. This IP deserves more awareness and recognition. Part of me wants a reboot, but I'm afraid of the results...

[@Quecojo]

@@The_Viscount There still is. Enemy AI is kinda broken though (for Homeworld: Remastered). There used to be a mod for Sins Rebellion. And another mod based on the "Blue Planet" mod for Freespace 2 (essentially a fan made Freespace 3). What they would do is divide the fighters between different ships and lock the more advanced ones behind research.

[@vincentho9721]

Nice, really enjoyed this upload. I'm glad to see capital ships being covered a bit more and wouldn't mind more.

[@AphexWebb]

I love this. Well scripted, great visuals and narrative to an amazing universe! Outstanding stuff. Bro, please make a video of the whole timeline lore of this franchise. You'd do it proud 😊

[@dieterhrabak4947]

Vasudan, Shivan, and Terran flak guns and gunners are no joke, their three are very competent.. Especially that Anti Fighter beam..

[@KabukeeJo]

GTD Al Bundy is Earths mightiest defender!

[@MacsLore]

Her crew scored 4 touchdowns in one Football game during the Galactic Terran-Vasudan Olympics.

[@KabukeeJo]

@@MacsLore Truth!! lol

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

GTD Al Bundy commissioned date : Labor Day

[@ChairmanMo]

@@MacsLore Let me guess, GTD Al Bundy's sister ship was the GTD Marcy Darcy?

[@PredatorHun87]

YES. FREESPACE omg I played so much with this. Freespace 2 was the first when I was really young. When I found out about the first whoowee. Hard Light really did a good job with them, not to mention the other fan campaigns. I still have Knossos installed.

[@rodolfohernandez2702]

Of the entire Freespace saga of games, the Orion Class Destroyer is my favorite, more beacuse it resembles a real life aircraft carrier One question that puzzles me if this one: In Freespace the Great War the GTA won by destroying the SD Lucifer, but in Freespace 2, who won? The GTVA by sealing the Capella Node or the Shivans by creating the Supernova out of the Capella Sun?

[@MacsLore]

I see that a lot in the comments. Very little love for the Hecate in comparison.

[@tsorevitch2409]

Basically Shivans won - they did what they wanted, and it wasn't a destruction of GTVA. It's a great theme in both Free space games - there are no happy endings. Achievements can only be described as "at least we are still alive" . It's probably the best you can get, when you are in a war with a superior ancient space race

[@Dawnesya]

​@@MacsLorethe Hecate is mostly seen (,or not) in the fog of the nebula. The one time it is in clear space, is for 15s in front of a fully functioning Sathanas. And as mentioned, 3/4 missions it's running away. So there's no real chance to see the ship properly let alone being powerful . In fan campaigns, you see this ship more and it's kind of odd, like you know what it is, but it also seems new

[@Hammer1987]

*"Dive! Dive! Dive! Hit you burners, pilot!"* Aeons ago, as a young lad, I played the Freespace games. I only gave them one playthrough each. I only heard this line once (okay, I probably died a few times, so I probably heard it more than once). And yet, these words have lived rent free in my head for over two decades.

[@alanmike6883]

Mac your the best Man. Bringing back the glory day's 😊👍

[@alfredaflatooni]

Amazing video, great work. Love free space lore.

[@ouranosodysseus286]

haaa the "aquitaine"!! that's my living area! that game are a wonder!

[@diennguyen6785]

This is Top tier content.

[@MacsLore]

It's no "MorePegasus covering Mr.Beast"-level of content quality, but I try my best.

[@captainandros]

Wonderful video as always Mac, you did these ships super proud and showed off how great Terran Destroyers are. My favorite ship is still the GTD Orion class. When i played the original game and saw the SD Lucifer gutting up the GTD Galatea like a roast, then Captain wolf staying with his ship so we could get to safety, game like this just need too be marveled at how well made they were for their time. Once again thanks for keeping this franchise going with these great videos. Hope to see the Vasudan ones next as the GVCV Sobek was always welcome in a bad situation with the Shivans

[@The_Viscount]

Oh, YEAH! I've been looking forward to this. Edit: If you can watch this on a real TV, do it. A phone or tablet doesn't do this video justice. Edit 2: originally gave an incorrect resolution. Still. Best to watch with a large enough screen to appreciate the details.

[@jonny-b4954]

To be fair. It's rendered at 1080p. Add in KZbin compression and nothing on YT does the video justice

[@The_Viscount]

​@@jonny-b4954 thanks. Changed my original comment to reflect that fact. I only meant that there are details hard to see on a smaller screen.

[@invidofinp1828]

Amazing work

[@T0ffik1]

7:28 GTD Al Bundy - thats a name of a ship i could serve on ! Also i do like how in the game Hecate was more of a Carrier while Orion was more of a Battleship type destroyer, it made a little difference to Vesudans just had a BB type Typhoon and just an upgraded version Hatshepsut. In direct combat Hecate was inferior - as its slashing beams were worth shit, but if you count in small craft, it would probably win (and on long range for sure win). This game had some epic looking ships like, Psamtik (hatshepsut), Hecate destroyers, Typhoon destoryers, Deimos, Moloch, Ravana, Sathanas, and some figheters and bombers like ursa, basilisk, Seraphim, Mara, Seraphis, Tauret, Ptah, Osiris, Bakha and few more. I still love this game to this day, its story was great (and all the comm's and such), and it was one of the most immersive games ever (music, color's, sound) all great.

[@Zoloft77]

It's ship motto. LET'S ROCK!

[@huntergratzner1]

Every time I see a new FreeSpace video I have to hit my afterburners and check it out. Between FS and Starsiege this channel is peak fun.

[@Dawnesya]

Alpha 1 engage new video, break thumbs to click, go go go!

[@koopanique]

What a magnificent video... Those animated 3D renders of the community-made models are simply breathtaking! The visual style, lighting and composition fit the Freespace aesthetics extremely well

[@Victor-056]

16:18 What makes it worse, is that the Lucifer was discovered to have been a _PROTOTYPE_ for the Sathanas. Yep, turns out the Sathanas was a _Mass Production_ version of the Lucifer, and much more Streamlined by comparison.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

A theory was around for a while that the Shivan force the GTA and Vesudens faced was a scout fleet of disposable ships that the shivans would send out when they detected something. This fleet would probe the targets and if possible either wipe them out or be used to gauge the strength of the opponent. Imagine that, the first shivan was was being fought by the most high tech of human and vesuden forces while the shivans were fighting with what might have been version of hand me down equipment that was disposable.

[@Victor-056]

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Not only that, but there are moments that make us wonder if the Shivans were performing secret tests of character on humanity. One of those was "Conveniently" leaving their prototype shield systems out for the Galactic Terran Alliance to find and procure for themselves, and the fact that when the GTA managed to acquire a Dragon class fighter to infiltrate the Shivan Fleet, the vessel _ONLY_ started to "act up" in heated moments (Such as disabling the subspace drive for a brief while after Alpha One was discovered), and when it was taken to be researched by GTA researchers, the Dragon Fighter engaged a beacon that it could have activated at any point during the mission, so it could be destroyed and not be studied. I find it suspect because if it had that beacon the entire time, the Fighter could have activated it before or during the mission so the Shivans would know... But it only activated the beacon once the infiltration mission was done. The same applies to the whole story behind the Silent Threat campaign. Where did they get all that technology to build the Hades, and why was it so easy for Akin Bosch to study it himself, when he was a mere fighter pilot? (Fun fact, it was _HEAVILY_ implied that Akin Bosch is _THE_ protagonist of Silent Threat, since canonically, the sole survivor of the final mission, was the protagonist, since the Hades decimated everyone who wasn't a GTA higher up, and the higher ups wanted to keep it hush-hush, since the whole incident was _their_ fault. This is also why Akin Bosch kept telling _you,_ Alpha one, to "Question the moral of your superiors", borderline _Pleading_ you to do so. He was once a pilot himself, blindly following orders like a "Good little pawn" as Alpha 2 states in the mission where you were supposed to destroy the Iseni, only to be betrayed by his own superiors.) Adding to that, Akin Bosch was spared (Somewhat, his true fate is unknown) along with a few others of his inner circle, while a majority of those who were in the NTF due to greed or bias, were slaughtered by the Shivans. The ending of Freespace 2 also implies the Shivans just wanted to find a way back home to wherever they originated from, with the Satanas being the only ship powerful enough to induce a supernova on a sizable enough star to create the energy needed to breach dimensions.

[@Dawnesya]

​@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_SerpentI mean, the game box does say "and they want to know what happened to their scouting party"

[@BuddyMcNugget]

Still one of my favourite sci fi universes and the games were so much fun. Truly ahead of its time.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

Dude this was so well made. As a retired veteran of the second Shivan war, you have my respect!! Although now I always think that the GTVA should build more Colossus class ships. 😊👍

[@MikMoen]

Freespace is such a FASCINATING universe, it's so shocking it's not a continued series. There's still so many questions to answer and Lore to write.

[@larslaufer301]

I miss the GTD Hades destroyer. I found it was a pretty cool design. Well most of the designs where pretty interesting back then. Hope to see more Freespace in the future.

[@fishescu]

Ok. Fine! You have convinced me! I will subscribe! God damn this is good! I love that someone out there is still making content about this absolute gem of a game! This game is soooo underrated! Love this video! Thank you!!!!!!

[@daku9324]

Freespace lore is so great! What a shame there was never a final 3rd part .. great video! thank you for nostalgia

[@deanlawson6880]

Wow! I was shocked to see something having to do with Freespace 2 show up in my KZbin feed!! I was really into Freespace 2 back in the day but haven't seen or heard anything about it for years and years.. until now!! Amazing video of Awesome Freespace 2 war and action!! Really well done!!

[@Dawnesya]

Do they have the video for you! "FreeSpace 2 Open Trailer" look for the ones in last few years

[@Dawnesya]

Do they have the video for you! Look up "FreeSpace 2 Open Trailer", newer ones last few years

[@Tomarus32]

This was excellent. Love the freespace universe and its ships. Would love if you would keep going and expand on this with Blue Planet and War in Heaven which I think many people consider an unofficial FS3

[@MacsLore]

I'd like to, and I've said before I would like to but there may or may not be some complications to doing that. Streaming a playthrough, like with many other things, is totally an option for it though.

[@rubadubmedia]

Been looking forward to this, you’re one of a kind Mac 👍

[@DMSProduktions]

Ahh THIS brings back memories!

[@DirkLarien]

That music gives me chills again. Amazing remake. What a shame they never officially continued the story.

[@oliverurbanik9647]

Freespace 1 + 2 were soo goood. I loved Freespace 2 for the captial ship fights!

[@HeroSwe]

Fantastic video mac. The work you put into them are noticeable and very appreciated. Curious what's next :)

[@jordanelevons1685]

You've got a real talent for 3d animation!

[@xdas11]

Cinematography!

[@maevethefox5912]

Oh wow this is brilliant, these games were like my entire childhood

[@gun_toucher_LLC]

fantastic production on this

[@Rega128]

wow Epic work ! I loved Freespace 2 as kid , this is epic , great work

[@RandoGrunt]

I haven't touched the updated work for Freespace 2 in a while, but boy do I return seeing the even greater detail added to these boats since then!

[@nasalspray1973]

Freespace 1 and 2 was such amazing experience back in the day. Love the video. Like and sub =)

[@sgt_s4und3r54]

Spectacular video. This is still my favorite game of all time.

[@CanuckWolfman]

...I see you there, GTD *Ron Swanson.* Don't think that I don't.

[@WPSent]

And Al Bundy!

[@MacsLore]

The GTD Ron Swanson, has a heated, but cordial rivalry with the the Vasudan Destroyer "RonDunn", who they're not actually aware of due to the crews generally laid back and friendly nature. GTVA servicemembers typically call them Terran Ron, and Vasudan Ron respectively. The less we say about the unknown Eva-class Destroyer codenamed "Tammy", the better.

[@christopherg2347]

4:23 It is "Ga-la-te-a". A female name. Not "Ga-la-tae". Pygmalion carved a statue of a woman, fell in love with it and later asked the gods to bring her to life. Which Aphrodite did. But it was also the name of a sea Nymph.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

True, but the game preferred the latter pronunciation, hehe.

[@novemberzed9163]

You absolute Legend! thank you! What a great video! Thank you for making this!

[@45580677]

You know looking at the Hecate class one thing overlook is its flight decks like those of a Mercury class battlestar now that I look at it plus two on each side both top and bottom so massive launch and recovery while able to run

[@radastir]

A video about Freespace is an insta-like

[@Katarnstar]

Finally, some good Fuckin' Food.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

When one delves into the universe that is Freespace. Memories form. Not of fantastic battles between rivals Not of a adventure in space. Not of even heroic last stands. No what one remembers from Freespace. Is the nightmare..

[@shahrulnizam5263]

Missing playing this game, best of its time

[@chazgray4284]

I love the fact one of the Orion destroyers is called the "Al Bundy" Id proudly serve on that ship!

[@Kotakes241]

I like to think the GTA doctrine changed after seeing how much fighter and bomber support affected the outcome of battles against the shivans in the great war, so instead of designing the new destroyer to take on enemy capitals head on, designed the destroyer to carry fighters while the new corvettes act as the anvil to the bomber's hammer. People shit-talk the colossus, but without it's armour and all-around beam coverage, the alliance would have had to brute force NTF blockades with great sacrifices, the Colossus single handedly broke NTF chokeholds and ended the rebellion. The shivans proved to be a threat on a scale the GTVA could not predict or prepare for, I doubt if the resources put into the Colossus going into more standard destroyers would have made any difference. Then again I'm not a massive lore guy, I could be wrong

[@Themans9875]

I fully agree

[@dereksherwood3794]

Agreed, Overmatch ends battles and wins wars. Parity just creates a prolonged slog that drains all sides until no one can fight any longer.

[@MacsLore]

I think it would totally make sense that the Terrans started looking closer at the full potential of strikecraft after the final battle with the Lucifer. Remember, Command originally wanted to send in the Bastion to duke it out with the Lucifer but they couldn't catch up in time, so the fighters and bombers were sent chasing after her in high-stakes hail mary attack.

[@SerpenTyx]

When you play these games it quickly becomes apparent that capital ships are sitting ducks without fighter escort because an opposing force of strike craft can "defang" them by destroying all of their weapons in precision strikes (capital ships don´t have shields in Freespace, only fighters can use them). The side that achieves space superiority is the side that wins in the Freespace universe.

[@highoverseer9323]

i think it's more of just how Colossus seems to be designed to take on multiple smaller class ships at once, she was excellent for clearing chaff from a battle allowing other vessels to move in but when faced with a vessel of similar size, her spread guns hampered her, combined with the Shivans just being more advanced by default. Colossus wasn't really meant to solo a juggernaut class ship but Cappella forced the situation. Collosus was dominating that fight until a Ravana jumped in basically on top of her followed by a Sathanas.

[@Dantelemartez]

Magnificent work! I must admit that indeed the capitals are the pinacle of the game. Love the video you have developed (how much time you spent on it out of curiosity?) Its a pitty that there were so much more lore to be done in game (FS1/FS2 ... FS3?) for those capitals :) Looking forward for next movie. Ps. Done some chats with Chat GPT - based on the discussion, first Orion would have had to be ordered aprox 15-20 years before first encounter with Vasudans

[@charlesballiet7074]

one interesting note is how the gtva reversed the capital beam weaponry but not the capital shield tech. I wonder if that has to do with all the shield generators on the lucifer being blown up in the final mission of fs1

[@dereksherwood3794]

I'm not sure how ANY wreckage was recovered. My understanding was the jump node to Sol was collapsed to kill the Lucifer... so, how did they recover anything when they can't get to Sol? I imagine the tech used in Colossus was from other, lesser ships and that's probably why it's power generation and weapons were still sub-par to the larger Shivan tech in the second war. They were good enough if massed in large numbers, but still taxed to their very limit.

[@MacsLore]

There was a theory about that I think I saw on the HLP discord or the forums that I kinda liked about that. Going off memory here but, they could totally do it, but it was so utterly cost and energy-prohibitive that they just scrapped the idea. Which would also explain why the reactors are outside on the Lucifer.

[@craighanson3765]

Enjoyed this. Too bad I never played freespace but I will look to see if I can get it.

[@Kirkmaximus]

Not willing to bow down to the Imperial YT laws AND make a stunning video? I must sub to this channel. o7

[@ashb899]

This is well done. Thank you sir

[@HideBuz]

Are you kidding me? Finally somebody who explores the awesome lore of Freespace 1 and 2. I would kill for a 3rd game.

[@tyrantsjustice88]

Thank you for this and as much as I love it, I'm gonna be that guy that says " What about the GTD Hade?" Would have loved to see it rendered.

[@derianardor]

Yesssss more free space lore and love

[@ToothlessDragon536]

Wow. This is so welcome. I'm worried older epic games might die out over time. You help keep them alive.

[@Dawnesya]

FreeSpace hasn't died out yet, there's still stuff being made for it

[@Einwetok]

Most excellent! Subscribed.

[@werdna1969]

They were like butter And the Shivan ships were like hot knives

[@rancidrance875]

The best spaceship fighter combat game of all time

[@crosana01]

It pains me so much that we'll probably never have a conclusion to this epic story...

[@warhammerchieftain9795]

I loved that game so much. Specially the fact, that in the 2nd part the huge enemy flagship from part 1 was revealed to be like a regular warship and not something to special.

[@nicosavat]

You sound like one of the characters in the game I swear.

[@charlesballiet7074]

wow are those really the new media VPs models they look fantastic

[@Dawnesya]

The lighting is different, so things may appear not the same. But new models are great

[@garrettflaherty5440]

GODS I MISS THIS SERIES!!!!! I WISH that Volition games would remaster or at minimum give us the complete answeres of what or why the shivans were as all we ever get is anicdotes or mabey a spin off series i used to read so much fan fic of this in the early 2000s and i played through this a hundred times before i lost it though i dont think it runs on my new os anyway thanks again mac for this!!

[@defcynodont5110]

Woo! heck yeah!

[@Falchion1984]

If you're open to suggestions about your next video, how about Operation: Grain Snatch from the first X-Wing game? I think your subscribers might enjoy learning how the Rebel Alliance dealt with Overlord Ghorin by double-crossing his double-cross. ...does that make it a quadruple cross?

[@Lady_Argent]

Here for the big bristling high powered beam cannons

[@jesseponce696]

OMFG ive been looking for this game for years after i lost my physical copies and forgot what the game's name was. This is one of those games that really hit that Scifi ich i thought i was going mad thinking i made this up in my head lol. Thank you so much found it on steam buying them now.

[@JackDandyHG]

Time for another replay

[@GutkowskiMarek]

"Not calling them Unalive Kings KZbin" You got a like for that alone. Also the GTD Al Bundy. Everybody are always on about GTD Galatea or the GTD Bastion. Al Bundy is rarely mentioned XD

[@defcynodont5110]

GTD Ron Swanson 0:57

[@acewing1]

Omg that’s F**king Awesome!!

[@MacsLore]

"You see friend, an Orion Destroyer is a lot like a good cabinet made from solid, All-American Oak. It's durable, representative of the best in Terran values, and naturally beautiful." - Unnamed Captain of the GTD Ron Swanson

[@dcsblessedbees]

Thanks👍