Ep212: Aviation Expert Debunks President Nelson's Fiery Spiral of Death Airplane Story.

[@geraldinesera8915]

Im thrilled that Nelson has been "FOUND OUT" but there are others in lds leadership who should be tarred with the same brush. Please go back to work and find Nelson's PARTNERS IN CRIME/LIES... H is another but not the only one. Im speaking as a 75 yr old woman who joined at 13 yrs. Ive been inactive now for 4 yrs after serving in many callings including leadership.

[@LoveMeSomeTrueCrime]

So well put together, thank you!

[@daisymae4587]

2:00:50 Maybe Uchtdorf had said something to Nelson behind the scenes and that’s why he didn’t get to retain a spot in the first presidency. Perhaps. Maybe.

[@7892kirby]

I was thinking the same thing!!! I've gotta know what pilot Uchtdorf thinks about all this 😂

[@carlawarner972]

He should have been kept in the presidency to keep the lie a secret.

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

Exactly

[@louiselucilla2163]

Pres Nelson was so calm that he felt everyone should be calm, to the extent that he didn't bother to comfort the crying lady.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Ha! My guess is he was the crying lady!

[@pererau]

Why should he comfort her? She needed to be at peace in her own heart. If she really lived the gospel, she would have that peace. So she was probably addicted to pornography and had it coming. (Or maybe she was just a figment of his imagination. In which case, she was certainly addicted to pornography!)

[@sheliabryant3997]

@Mormonish That would pass as an out-of-body experience!

[@radicalkelly59]

This episode was extremely informative and entertaining. Thank you!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

We really enjoyed taping it with Jim!

[@jenniferslaughter8849]

​@@mormonishpodcast1036Rebecca & Landon, please do a deep dive episode to explain this kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3OkqHqhmrWjirssi=XujgPQ_1EbRZ8yTC

[@KolbyReddish]

Jim bringing the receipts!

[@jimsmith6289]

Thanks man! It was a lot of fun.

[@lorawhitfield6995]

Great information and insight! Love how it supported and added to Bill & RFMs coverage!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

They did a great job exposing the lie and Jim did a great job proving it was a lie!

[@lorawhitfield6995]

@ Absolutely!!

[@norgepolo]

I’d love to see a billboard in SLC with a photo of Nelson and this caption, “President Nelson lied about his plane crash…what else has he lied about?”

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

If only we had the money!!! Lol

[@ajadamsv9208]

2:02:10 Remember that Nelson is 100 years old so anyone on that flight could be dead including the pilot.

[@LoveMeSomeTrueCrime]

True but what about from when he first started telling the story way back in the 70's?

[@sheliabryant3997]

Neither numb-skull nor death justifies telling and retelling and reinventing and retelling and continuing to embellish a lie that was a lie the first time you told it despite being caught out in it. "JUST LIKE AT KIRTLAND!"

[@williamwallaceg2627]

Tall tales with Rusty.

[@slcoareschannel1943]

I am amazed that I didn't see the snake that was before me until now! This is absolutely disgusting.

[@Hatchification]

Superb presentation!

[@IvoneteMascara-nx6wz]

Guys, FANTASTIC!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@darlenelane9010]

Thank's Jim for researching one of Nelson's 'fish tales'. He has many.

[@Planet-Steel]

Really enjoyed geeking out on the aviation technical info! Y’all managed to make it really understandable and thoroughly enjoyable!! Gobsmacking levels of fabrication - not sure how on earth he didn’t think someone would say… wait what? lol. They will never be able defend /explain the mass over-exaggerating with anything that sounds halfway sane or realistic…. I’m guessing that’s why the crickets are chirping. Ssshhh don’t mention it and it will go away…. Wrong! 😂 You guys are awesome! Thanks for another wicked show x 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👋💕

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Thank you! This was really fun to put together! We want to bring Him back for another topic!

[@cheerfulcoffee1568]

Excelente! The entire show.

[@julienelson8162]

Excellent! Thank you. ❤

[@barb9465]

This was so well done. Thank you!!!

[@Moksha-Raver]

Maybe President Nelson witnessed this tall tale with his spiritual eyes, much like Mitt Romney thought he saw his dad marching with Martin Luther King. Of course, he has told other tall tales at General Conference -- as have others. Mormonism and tall tales go hand in hand.

[@Moksha-Raver]

BTW, what if the report was taken up to Kolob by the Angel Moroni or was eaten by dinosaurs planted by Satan? Maybe apologists can come up with something more far-fetched than that due to years of practice.

[@Moksha-Raver]

So Nelson told a whopper, that does not mean everything else is not true except for the parts that are also made up. After all, Salt Lake City does exist and so does Delta Utah!!!

[@sheliabryant3997]

@Moksha-Raver And LONG tales. That grow in the night. Like mushrooms.

[@RebeccaRaven]

I worked in nuclear safety, and facilities have to report any hiccup to the feds and from that lessons learned and operations experience docs are published. This happens at very low levels of occurrences.

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

So interesting!

[@birgittetange6411]

Great podcast! Thanks from Denmark!

[@Avenger24601]

I loved this! Great details and exposé.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ShulaMG]

Well documented and nicely presented. Perhaps Nelson has a fanciful dream life.😉

[@jasonjablonski3252]

Besides the lack of damage to the plane from an engine fire, why was there no damage to the plane from landing in a random farmers field? I would love to see the statistics on emergency landings of passenger aircraft in random fields and how many planes had structural damage and how many did not. Great episode, as always!!

[@Ralph419]

Nelson lied about landing in a farmer's field. Precautionary landing was made at Delta Utah municipal airport. No damage to aircraft.

[@dallenford9592]

Absolutely. Fields aren't great places to land, especially in bigger, heavier aircraft. (Bushplanes are a special breed, built for off-airport landings; most planes won't fare as well.) For example, I YT follow a guy who recently crashed his light sport airplane in a field - under control, but the engine quit due to fuel starvation. Despite following all the proper landing procedures, the airplane required extensive repairs to be airworthy again. While it can be repaired and might not show up in future photos of the plane, such a rebuild, especially on a commercial aircraft (even a small one), would leave a paper trail a mile long. (Heck, even though this guy was the only person in his private non-commercial airplane, and there was no fire, there's an NTSB record!)

[@jasonjablonski3252]

​@@dallenford9592Exactly.

[@jasonjablonski3252]

​@Ralph419 That's my point. If you are going to say you landed in a field, then how did the plane not have structural damage? And if by some miracle the field was firm enough to manage a flawless landing, how did the aircraft get removed from the field, since we know it now only had one functional engine? Seems like a professional heart surgeon might think that one through a bit more.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Exactly

[@polyglot6542]

Thank you for showing facts! The problem with people is that they do not read. They accept whatever they are told by those with specific agendas.

[@claudinealtvater640]

Awesome podcast!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Thanks for listening

[@dallenford9592]

So if a Piper Navajo is on a treadmill of nonsense and has an engine fire, can it take off? But on a more serious note, I love the phrase "treadmill of nonsense."

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Yeah Him had a couple of zingers on this episode…or were they Twinkies?!?

[@nancyevans3590]

This episode reminds me of this old joke-What’s the difference between God and surgeon? Answer: God doesn’t think He’s a surgeon.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Lol

[@sheliabryant3997]

@nancyevans3590 🥳🥳🥳 Wouldn't THAT be presumptuous of GOD!!??

[@tawneenielsen4080]

So sad that lies are allowed as God's word. So sad

[@garikj766]

@29:00 All those dates/ specific years...heh! Looks like Elder Nelson was using 'his gift' of 'infinite atonement' (rabbit hole to get into) quite a few times to conveniently 'save himself' from his disappointments in plans and his own people.

[@calebhorlacher]

Oh my gosh! That's totally it! Russ couldn't tolerate the awkward tension that would have been in every single First Presidency meeting with Captain/Head Chief Pilot/Senior Vice President of Flight Operations Uchtdorf 4 days a week for the rest of his life. No need to put himself through that... Uchtdorf, you're out; and Oaks, you good old security blanket always in the seat right next to me since 1984, you're in. Hahaha!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Oaks is my copilot!!! Lol

[@calebhorlacher]

Yes! Hahaha!

[@sheliabryant3997]

@calebhorlacher I strongly doubt Uchtdorf would resort to so low an endeavour. Not necessary;. the lie - and the liar - speak for themselves. One who systematically operates in this manner can never be trusted. Ever.

[@benjamingardea4511]

Great episode!

[@benjamingreen7079]

Great episode as always! Hey, just to clarify one question that came up early on-yes, the church presidents do fly in the Huntsman jet. Or at least they did in the Hinckley era, not sure about now. My dad’s cousin was the pilot for the jet at the time and flew Hinckley all over the world.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

I had heard that as well. Thank you for confirming.

[@douglasnielson8250]

Nelson also told a crazy story at Roots Tech 2017 about being visited by dead relative’s. The video is on KZbin.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

I wonder if there is an NTSB report on that! Lol

[@LoveMeSomeTrueCrime]

@@mormonishpodcast1036😂😂😂

[@MrBillmechanic]

yup. yet anothercrockofshitttt.

[@kristitimbrel189]

Awesome information!!! Great guest! Jim, You are brilliant. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! Paul H. Dunn and his family, have gotta be pissed, listening to Nelson's bull-$#+!

[@exmormonroverpaula2319]

I love the phrase “spiritual Twinkies.” It reminds me of the great stories Paul H. Dunn used to tell. Too bad they weren’t true.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

If they were true they’d be spiritual steak!

[@Sarah-sc9ev]

Do you think Uchtdorf called Nelson out on his story and that’s why they seemingly don’t get along? Narcissists tend to do that to anyone that might say something that would change public perception of a person.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

I’m sure there were many things they didn’t agree on and I doubt he called Nelson out on this but Uchdorf has to know he’s making it up.

[@sheliabryant3997]

@Mormonish I agree. Don't think Uchtdorf would do that. But nellie would pull an end-run to make sure it would never be a question asked or an off-the-cuff table topic. A person who operates systematically operates in this manner can never be trusted. Don't wait to learn this the hard way.

[@joancapnercoster3928]

Very Very Well Done! Russell M. Nelson liar liar planes on fire!! Mic Drop! Great Job! A lying profit of god. Oh my!

[@timmiestabrnak]

Why does he lie so much?! I get it’s a very Mormon thing but still.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Lying for the Lord so evidently it is acceptable!

[@douglasnielson8250]

I wonder what Dieter Uchtdorf thinks. He might be the guy who get’s stuck with the big mess Russell is creating with his legacy building.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

He’s got to know it’s BS.

[@douglasnielson8250]

@@mormonishpodcast1036 He’s a pilot so he would. He still flys planes so he still can pass a pilot’s physical. That means he’s really healthy and probably will be around awhile. Oaks and Holland won’t. From what I hear is Uchtdorf is one of the best church leaders to work with. Very I judge mental and nice. The church is going to be around but it has problems. I think you will see big changes with Uchtdorf.

[@polyglot6542]

The LDS leaders follow a well known and used speech strategy for delivering messages. It's well known. The story starts firest and then the moral of the story. In fact, Jesus Is presented in the Bible in the same way. Always the parable that ends in a lesson. Since there are no wonderful stories of miracles because there is technology, they are forced to fabricate!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Amazing how technology has replaced god for performing miracles!

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

I know if you repeat a story enough you do believe it. I’m sure he thinks it actually happened. But his handlers must know the airplane and loaded gun to the head robbery are greatly embellished.

[@sprucelane1271]

The church leader are pre Google story tellers. When I hear a story too wild to be real… I on my phone in 5 minutes researching the details.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Yes the internet is their worst enemy!

[@richardheath1483]

Oh the irony! So, once you know what really happened you can see that Nelson's response was actually the exact opposite of the 'calm in the face of death' response that he claims. He was actually so terrified that he might have died from this very routine, minor experience that he decided to write his autobiography so his children wouldn't miss out on the brilliance of his life! Hilarious!!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

You get it!!!

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

I flew for USAir when we had a horrible crash landing on top of a sky west airline jet at LAX. Sad!! My friend the captain for USAir lost his life as well as many many others. I lived in Los Angeles at that time. Later went to fly for United airlines till after 9/11 then went to fly for Sky west while my husband flew for Delta. Huge aviation lovers in our family. So when Nelson told this story.. red flags came up big time.

[@polyglot6542]

Altitude couldn't be so high since they only were only going a short distance from SLC to St George

[@robocoxo]

Has anyone ever tried locating the pilots? And if there was only 3 passengers on board, Nelson probably felt safer lying about the details as there are only a few people on earth who he assumed could challenge his narrative.

[@exmormonroverpaula2319]

What is Jim's full name?

[@cheerfulcoffee1568]

😇

[@Zeett09]

This is exactly how the Jesus story escalated from a guy that pulled off a couple of card tricks to walking on water to become a God.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

If only they had the internet!

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

Are you saying you don't believe in Jesus?

[@Zeett09]

@ I’m not Christian but I do think Jesus likely existed historically. However, I’m highly skeptical of the miracle claims as well as the deity claims. Once I read the four gospels in a side by side comparison it’s clear that the miracles became more embellished over time with John portraying the most miracles (John came about the latest). In a similar regard, Nelson’s airplane story grew more miraculous over time. Also, take my biblical comments as an opinion from someone who is definitely not a biblical scholar.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

@@Zeett09 Thanks for the explanation. I am not a biblical scholar either and I have never compared the four gospels side by side but I do read my scriptures. I have found that there is more to read than just the four gospels. I think the old testament prophets add a great deal to confirm Christ as being deity. They were true prophets called by God, unlike what we have today. I have had experiences that are hard for me to say that would have come from anything less than divine interception. On the lighter side, I like the way my son once put it "I know God is real because I spend a lot of time being angry with Him". Not to be disrespectful of your beliefs but I do pray that God be with you.

[@Zeett09]

@ thanks! No disrespect received. I grew up in a very Catholic family with very specific Catholic experiences expressed by my parents. Once I married into another faith (LDS) I realized that spiritual experiences are not unique to Catholicism. My mind was blown as I was raised to believe the Catholic faith was a very unique avenue to miracles. Turns out not so. As for me I have never had any spiritual experiences. But I think I’m in the minority.

[@Fatfinger4378]

Ah yes, mighty FAIR strikes again! I'm not the tiniest bit surprised they used a source that ultimately contradicts their point, misrepresenting the part they referenced and ignoring the rest. Happening upon FAIRMORMON about 15 years ago was the beginning of the end for my belief. Their combination of gaslighting, obfuscation, and willful deceit sent me straight down the rabbit hole and neither the church nor its apologetics has gotten any better since.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

100% agree! The apologetics was more troublesome to me than the original issue in most cases. The fact that they could suspend all logic to try and make it true despite all the evidence to the contrary!

[@LoraleeArmstrongNunley]

I’m guessing he lied about being held at gun point as well.

[@susiekathryn8570]

Spiritual Twinkies…. I’ll never look at a Twinkie the same way!

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Unfortunately I’ll always look at a Twinkie the same way!!!

[@cheerfulcoffee1568]

😁

[@seph4667]

Without lies, religions can't grow. BACK OFF.

[@ahlplex]

if the engine backfired, there may have been flames visible from the exhaust pipe.

[@orisonorchards4251]

Highly unlikely, but if so how would Rusty have seen that from his seat inside the plane? The exhaust is beneath the rudder at the tail of the plane.

[@ahlplex]

@@orisonorchards4251 the engines' exhaust pipes are out the bottom of the engine pylon, not "beneath the rudder..."

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

That is correct but that is underneath the wing and would not be visible by a passenger.

[@mikeboyd3225]

He didn’t debunk anything. He just stated his opinion. He wasn’t there so it’s just opinion.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Are you kidding?!? Nothing here is opinion. He used the reports of the incident and the reports that should have been here if Nelson’s story. They weren’t there, there was no fire, there was no landing in a field (the report said they landed at the Delta airport) The evidence is indisputable…Nelson completely exaggerated the story and lied about what happened.

[@samhunt9380]

A quick look at the NTSB report on the incident clearly shows Nelsons wilful embellishment.....

[@MrBillmechanic]

no!!! LIES !!!!!!!!

[@tawneenielsen4080]

Ok, I need to email you guys about why truth matters. How do I email your company?

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

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