EP25 The Long View

Dan tries focusing a much wider historical lens on perennial human issues like war, land ownership, immigration, ethnicity, environmental worries and the double-edged sword that is human inventiveness.
1. “Agricola and Germania” by Tacitus
2. “A Most Dangerous Book: Tacitus's Germania from the Roman Empire to the Third Reich” by Christopher B. Krebs

[@StaatsAttackk]

Such a good addendum. Please bring back regular common sense episodes. I need this dan back in my life.

[@jaredmello]

That would be great. He is one of my favorite voices of reason in the political world, and one of the few people I really trust to tell me the straight truth.

[@TurkishRepublicanX]

This turned out to be one of my least favorite addendums

[@anunnakicrown]

If he made much more common sense they'd take him out...

[@HankBukowski]

​@@TurkishRepublicanXCool. 🙄

[@johnjasper9011]

Addendum might be better. Dan was once again ahead of the curve cutting off his political podcast right around the time things became super toxic. He could have gotten sucked into one orbit or the other, especially with his Rogan connection. I'm actually really glad he pulled back. All of those old shows are as relevant today as they were then, too.

[@jakethibault2890]

Thank you Dan, never stop

[@julesknight1511]

Unless you have cancer. Or get a higher paying job. Or your 18 year old girlfriend says your not paying enough attention to her. Or you accidentally uncover the truth about the Masons plan for total world domination. Or if you are currently enjoying Picard season 3. Or if your town has a train derail spilling hazardous chemicals into your backyard. Or if you find Jesus and move to Amazon to profligate the Word to jungle natives. Or if you stop feeling like a 'Dan' and become a 'Danielle' instead. Or if your buddy arrives with beer and pizza. Or if that taco you eat last night wants to violently migrate to a better place - Now!!! Or if it turns out those drugs really were worth the price paid. But other than that, keep up the great prose my friend or else you'll get the hose again!!!

[@Kustan112]

Ever.

[@0rangecray0n]

Never ever

[@jadunbar88]

You don't think he's starting to get a little long winded?

[@Time_Is_Left]

@@jadunbar88 Ha! Love it

[@EpicICP]

Theory confirmed! We love whatever you decide to throw out to us. Thanks Dan!

[@BCNick22]

I recently went back in the archives to purchase the punic wars series and was absolutely blown away. Keep up the great work and im crossing my fingers for a 15 hour Napoleon extravaganza! However there are infinite areas to choose from, all will be great no doubt. ✌️✌️

[@jordanfromit5998]

Napoleon is one I have wanted for a long time!

[@BobbyCoggins]

40 hours!!! The Napoleonic Era is one of my most favorite (they're all my favorites, LOL) periods of history.

[@BCNick22]

@@BobbyCoggins honestly I say it because only recently I have started studying Napoleon and there are (in modern times) different views on him. Some proclaim him as not this SATAN HELLS SPAWN type figure, like a Nero for example, but a complex and brilliant man in ways. His advocates claim a severe smear campaign has long been waged against him. I HAVE NO CLUE, but I'm sure Dan would have a lot to say about these contrasting personalities portrayed. Plus he went on a quest to the kings chamber at the giza pyramid and spent a night in there in some odd esoteric ritual which apparently freaked him the hell out. He was heavy into the occult from what I gather... But it's not much and I can only imagine from the very short research I've done, a show on Napoleon would be absolutely full of outlandish and poignant stuff. Ive read Tolstoy's war and peace but I'm really clueless about Napoleon the man. I'm sure one will come in the future. ✌️✌️

[@justins21482]

The punic wars was great! Also ghosts of the ostfront, also fantastic

[@JaMeshuggah]

​@@BCNick22 British propaganda truly did the man dirty; there's an old, free, great podcast that gives a little more of Napoleon's side if you look for it.

[@King0Jingaling]

It's so rare in this day and age that people actually have a 'long view' and put anything in historical context, Hardcore History is basically the only place I find it. You're a true Scholar Dan!

[@moodist1er]

Sounds like apologetics got propaganda and power structures, like people didn't know they didn't want to be slaves back when there were slaves. It's a clown's justification for being domesticated into a cultivated identity.

[@jaydub5011]

Theres no evidence of men exsisting for 300k years.. Gobekli Teppe is like 10k years old..

[@Noob3475]

Dan, you have helped me through the hardest periods of my life. Thank you for what you do. You can turn on the mic and talk and I would listen. I also appreciate and crave the integrity you hold yourself to when it comes to your passion. Game recognizes game, and you are one of my heroes. As someone who is climbing the academic ladder, thank you for your integrity, your passion, and your footnotes. Sincerely, One of the hard corps

[@stephkadwell4767]

Awesome! I've been down these long rocky roads into deep history myself. You weave these threads together so well.

[@whitey129]

Dan you've changed my life dramatically. I love you from the bottom of my heart.

[@toddpickens]

Fantastic way to find perspective

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching from Alaska.

[@kylieflood9766]

Thank you Dan!!!

[@poopybody1469]

A blessing on a Saturday morning. Thank you Dan!

[@lennys6059]

Whenever you put something out the people will listen, can’t recommend you enough! Keep it up Dan, at your pace!

[@kn-df6cr]

They lied about cheddar man

[@chewy6652]

They not only lied, they didn't correct the claims even after the DNA was retest and found him to be white european

[@johnshistory6522]

Cheddar man could have been any colour. They just chose dark, the guy that did the research said so himself

[@TheModernSinatra]

Thanks! Seeing something new from Dan Carlin always makes my day.

[@seansullivan5965]

Loved this show, Dan - do more like these. Just listening to you talk is worth it to all your listeners. When you talked of adding two long life times, and how different the world would be, it reminded me of something I thought of a while back. I was born in the mid 80's and my great grandma, who lived well into her 90's, was born in 1903. When I was in grade school, something like the american civil war seemed like ancient history to me. I knew my great grandma pretty well, and to think she would have met veterans really put something about the passing of time in perspective for me. It was kinda like the feeling when you get older.

[@axelvargasm]

Amazing reflections , thank you so much Dan, regards from Argentina!

[@gopibble]

Appreciate sharing your thoughts..

[@jdlucke8967]

Thank you for this!

[@jasong782]

Just warning you, this podcast will be like a dinner conversation.... *proceeds to have the most interesting dinner conversation ever

[@reneechalfant3473]

Thank you Dan I just love listening to you with my ear buds in while I’m doing any yard work… it’s like hanging out with a friend who has really good information,, I’m just nodding my head and agreeing the whole time.

[@genodian]

This certainly proves that even just getting in front of the mic and putting something out will be great regardless. Thanks for the experiment, hope to see more soon Dan

[@CJLiveFromTheOutdoors]

Exactly!

[@FredUAW]

Yes, more of this please!!!! The podcasts where you rif are special in their own way. By all means give us more of this!!

[@nosillalaluna7078]

You fascinate me. In the box , out , under , on top , or alongside. Thought provoking, amazing subjects , with out, deranged fantastical fodder , to filter out or choke down along the way . Much appreciated, thank you for sharing your gift of gab and that razor sharp mind . Your a treasure.

[@achilleus918]

always a treat to listen to dan!

[@chaltyron]

Dan’s comparison of the span of time to the span of a single individuals average lifespan in linage as a unit of measurement is really thought provoking

[@chrisparker9201]

I like that your lens looks forward and behind with such clarity. This is my first exposure to your work. It will not be the last.

[@mickeyb2822]

Love your work

[@jammerkitchens164]

Well, Dan it worked. And everyone is now expecting a new series, surely titled 'By the Seat of Dan Carlin's Pants,' to be issued at regular intervals. Your perspectives, irrespective of subject matter, are profound and we are all better for it

[@danstvguy]

Simply the best.

[@SVDassassin]

PLEASE more of this

[@OneWithWonderland]

Lovelovelove it!!!!

[@benabaxter]

A long view is not apart of some kind of human perspective. It's another kind of human perspective. Determining what the story is is just another application of judgment---and therefore describes your values as much if not more than it describes what happened in the past.

[@bryansughrue8055]

Thanks Dan!

[@PerfectSense77]

More like this please. This was just as interesting as your researched content. The problem with the 9 month gaps is sometimes the topic is uninteresting to me so then it turns into an 18 month gap. Regular stuff is a good antidote.

[@juju1896]

I was in my 20s when I started researching my genealogy. Once I got back 5-6 generations and looked at how my ancestral lines doubled with each generation, I realized I’m related to everybody and last names are fleeting trivia. I’m surprised you didn’t touch on population changes at all. One thing no one ever talks about is that there are too many of us on the planet. Great listening as always. It reminded me how foolish people are to get attached to land, as if we're taking it with us. People lose the ability to separate their own identity from some familiar chunk of land. It's been the cause of many foolish wars. thank you!

[@Deridus]

Didn't touch on population changes? Seriously, how'd you miss that? He expounded upon it in multiple different ways, from Anglo-Saxon replacing Celts who replaced Chetterman (spelling?), to ancient Mesopotamia switch hands to modern Zhonggou's demographics, as well as his thoughts on using "First Nations."

[@hsd5803]

It was a good show and I was glad to get it

[@jamesfeisttabla]

I would listen to this but am already all set to hear part V of The Wrath of Khans for the 12th time…. I have a problem

[@EMAN00619]

This might be the best episode you ever made. Funny with given the intro you give it.

[@skanderkechih2433]

Night work ! Perfect companion.

[@stever089]

Always a good deal of excitement with every new episode

[@oldboyplays900]

Love ya, Dan. Thanks much for this.

[@csizemore423]

Awesome I've been waiting for a pre history episode now we only need 4 more hours of it loo

[@Unhacker]

History in the making *and* new Hardcore History made? Did someone wish really, really hard? Fantastic!

[@atticusprime937]

So stoked!! been checking everyday for a new show! Thank you

[@user-on2ys9jr6t]

I would love to hear an episode on the Irish famine, one of the most well known but least understood tragedies in European history.

[@vincentdavis1926]

It was nice while it lasted, Dan. You had a good run buddy! You should thank these people for the support that you may not have actually deserved. Then again, I'm sure you are the common prototypical American man so it makes sense that you have become so popular. However, what actually needs to become popular is the model for the origin of the bubonic plague in Ukraine cited by Kristian Kristenson in his New European Prehistory public lecture where he says "we are all russians" ;)

[@caesarsailor4051]

I disagree alot with you, but I am a firm supporter and only hope the best for you and yours! I thrive on your shows, and personally love the frank conversation, cause that’s what it is a conversation!

[@KamilioShow]

2 hours, 4 hours, 8 or 12, I'll listen to Dan talk about history for probably about as long as he'll want to talk about it

[@l0b0t59]

SQUEAL! What a great delight for a rainy Saturday. Thanks Dan.

[@stephenwright8257]

I totally get it… I am Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Norwegian, Swedish and Prussian. All were pagans at one time and have very little documentation on their times.

[@coreyclaiborne8809]

Awesome. Thank you Dan

[@jdawg8157]

Thanks Dan 👏

[@robertgriffin9670]

Beautiful send-off

[@Netotrefirefem]

Thank you, Dan! Every time there’s a New show it’s like christmas

[@Galvaxatron]

As a Canadian, my only issue with the use of First Nations as an umbrella term for the first peoples of North America is that it leads to the belief that the First Nations people who were there when Europeans arrived in North America were indeed the very first people who arrived in the Americans and that they themselves didn't replace any other peoples who arrived before them. Which, if we know history, is highly likely to have happened. The displacement or replacement of peoples is an extremely long human tradition which probably actually goes all the way back to when we were still competing with other cousins of the Homo Sapiens lineage. Using First Nations leads to people actually believing these people were the very first and in no way guilty of having replaced or displaced other populations of humans. Which in turn gives fuel to the Noble Savage trope.

[@Deridus]

This answers the question about why I had such disquite about the term. "Native Americans" seems much broader, less requiring of nuance, now that I've finally seen the counterpoint put to words.

[@laughingdragon8858]

Thank you Dan. You work is a true treasure.

[@hankshistory9486]

I don’t mind the interviews, but I would love to hear Dan just go off like this. I think he underestimates himself sometimes.

[@jessehoganjessehogan]

Would be great to have playlists for your reporters to see their prior stories 🤘🏽

[@BubblewrapHighway]

I paid for your entire collection and would happily do it again.

[@danielsnow6965]

You make my day every time you drop new content. I like to listen to your voice and learn.

[@SammyCee23]

That last line at the very end of the episode gave me chills

[@kenkruzel5455]

The great Galactica history book. Yes let's go there

[@mschwims3121]

Keepem coming Dan.

[@danielmathews4926]

Yes Dan!!!! Thank you for this Sir. 🎉

[@SamueListens]

“I’m feeling kinda down today.” _Dan drops a podcast_ “Thanks God!”

[@theexpert758]

Never let's us down.

[@seedhound]

You do history proud! Thank you for sharing your wisdom.

[@greendalf123]

Excellent episode Dan! Pre-history is underrated

[@nHautamaki]

I appreciate that Dan goes to great trouble to emphasize that he's not making any particular point here, but the overall impression one gets is that the concept of deep time, of our 300,000 year evolutionary history, makes our actual historical records of a few thousand years almost trivial by comparison. But I want to push back on that with an alternative way of looking at human history, which is not its length, but a length of time multiplied by the number of people alive during X period of time. And when you consider that something like 1/4 to 1/5th of humans ever born were born within the last hundred years, and the overwhelming majority of humans ever born were born after the agricultural revolution really got going, well then our seemingly innate bias towards the importance of recorded history, and particularly more recent recorded history actually makes perfect rational sense.

[@andrewdehart6191]

Dan, would love to hear a series of antebellum U.S./run-up to the Civil War.

[@coolnes950]

Yes! Only Dan could breath life into a man like John Brown.

[@CJLiveFromTheOutdoors]

Great idea!

[@yomomz3921]

I'd enjoy hearing about how Lincoln changed the fundamental character of the republic - and whether it was justified.

[@darrengagliardi1540]

Well, that was awesome even without heavy preparation. I guess you have no excuse but to put out more shows now! 😄

[@jasonmoore7223]

We ❤ Dan & crew

[@shaunpuzio6812]

Always a happy day when I stumble upon new DC content! 😍

[@UAP-Gardens]

As soon as I saw your page pull up I said yep that's the one .

[@GreenCrayon961]

A very Californian perspective.

[@TheOriginalSentack]

A good addendum. More of this, please.

[@coolcrum98]

Best channel on KZbin imo.

[@MiGallagher]

Great share Dan. It’s wonderful to thing how crazy those “middle earth” battles must’ve been, the first great king.. 300,000 years ago

[@dokydoo]

the great story of Cheddar man is that they found that one of his descendants still lived in the area, not 10 miles from where Cheddar man was found…

[@ColonelHoganStalag13]

And that he wasn't dark brown either. There was no DNA evidence to back up what the artist did. The evolutionists cleverly hide their racism by automatically associating primitive/missing link people to Africans.

[@mycroft_moriarty]

Why exactly do conversations have to go...anywhere, as long as the journey to "nowhere" was a good time along the way? These are important thoughts, and even just asking the questions and leaving us to find our own meaning, this has real value.

[@englishiguana4304]

Phenomenal episode, thank you dan!

[@Mugdorna]

Wonderful. Thank you sir.

[@psmorgan2542]

The skin colour of Chedder Man was so politicised. I saw multiple images taken in different lighting and the one most news agencies ran with was the darker version.

[@chewy6652]

chedder man was looked at again and found out to be totally wrong, he was european

[@marksoreilly94]

I'm more confused as to why anyone actually cares so much, so much emotion over melanin

[@ikept_the_jethryk2421]

The people who picked Cheddar Man’s color admitted that they made it up; that’s why it’s important. It shows what science will become when politics demand certain results

[@dannykovacs1928]

I love the term “First Nations” too. Going to use that in the future!

[@stefanhenderson1177]

That is the term we use in Canada ...

[@Deridus]

Personally, I don't like the term and I'm having difficulty pinning down exactly why. In many ways, though, it is truly superior. Not sure I'm going to adopt it, but as far as linguistic changes, I think it would be for the best

[@Garseraph]

Thanks, Dan- wish more humans could take a long look back like you have!

[@florence20]

in Canada, the term indigenous peoples (it's important not to forget the S because we're talking about multiple peoples) encapsulate 3 groups: the First Nations, the Metis, and the Inuit. So technically, First Nations cannot be used to talk about the indigenous peoples of the artic region for example, they are the Inuit.

[@mastercontrol5000]

Loved the episode. I think the theory holds! I would really love if you got Daniel Schmachtenberger on to talk about this stuff with you. He's thought and talked about these things a lot, and I think he's recommended some of your stuff in the past, so I think he'd be up for it

[@aboynam3dblu3]

I don’t know know what that great galactic history book has to say about Earth, but it surely includes a section on the importance of knowing where one’s towel is, and has on its cover the reassuring words, “DON’T PANIC”.

[@collinmc90]

love listening to these late at night with a few beers. after roach dogg senior falls asleep.

[@nozrep]

love it

[@scrollofthoth8788]

BTW Dan you're still freakin' awesome and your show is one of the best.

[@gijoe41688]

one thing which is pretty universal is hope and relative optimism in humanity

[@zebadiahkauffman4346]

Thanks Dan you're making sense of a deep subjects keep it up

[@willek1335]

After 29 minutes.... That's enough America for today.

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

The invention of the 500 man army happened when Thog thought to himself "Hm, what if Thog decide to put friend in charge of some people, that way Thog not have to remember name of so many people who is not Thog. Friend still agree to listen to Thog, so Thog be like bigger ruler than before maybe." *draws picture on cave wall of Thog + Friend, separates them with a line and then tallies up men for each of them.* "But then, what if Thog have another Friend? That way, Thog can just remember Friends." *Thog poggers*

[@kackljas]

My saliva DNA test traced my ancestry back to a coffee berry plant from Columbia and a tobacco plant from Virginia.

[@michaelburbidge5835]

Love the way Dan Carlin thinks.

[@PcGaMeRgUy420]

Great pod as always!

[@stephenwright8257]

As for A.I., the actions would depend in part on the definition of good or the optimum state desired. The most likely outcome would not be destruction rather a dystopian lowest common denominator existence. What is best for the physical is not necessarily the best for the mental, emotional or cultural state. So what do we want to become when we grow up? I like George Bernard Shaw’s quote “ a reasonable man adapts himself to the world, an unreasonable man adapts the world to himself, therefore all progress depends upon an unreasonable man”.