Ep75: Mormons and Psychics: Tim Ballard, O.U.R., and the Ghost of Nephi

On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon continue to dissect the events of the past week involving Tim Ballard and the LDS Church. In the most recent VICE article, we delve into the use of psychic, Janet Russon, who is channeling information from dead Book of Mormon prophet Nephi, to guide the rescue missions of OUR.
Did donors know that the operations were guided by Nephi through a psychic? Did M. Russell Ballard, apostle of the LDS church, know about the use of the psychic? The twists and turns just keep coming and Mormonish is here to bring you all the updates. Including Tim Ballard‘s most recent video where he again claims that there has been no official statement from the church denouncing him and he will continue with his new organization and his run for the Senate.
Check out our previous episode on the topic of Tim Ballard.
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[@sophronia5991]

Timmy should’ve known she was fraud for one simple reason. Nephi would NEVER talk to a woman!!! That’s not how the priesthood works 😉😂

[@redmountainshaman2757]

Can you provide proof she was working with "Nephi"?

[@maxinekennedy5888]

If someone can base a multi million dollar "religion" on a background of folk magic, seer stones and self aggrandising exaggeration, why is it surprising that someone can build a multi million dollar business on the back of psychic insight and self aggrandising exaggeration? Anymore than someone would get involved in abuse or murder because they they think people are "dark", "addicted" or "zombies".

[@bewitched3912]

Try 250 billion! Mormons worship money. It used to a sex excuse 😂

[@jerrimenard3092]

Enough Mormon people believe in Magick and dabble, that while not officially endorsed, it's happening. When are we going to have a frank talk about who is doing what?

[@paulgregersen3570]

Problem ......seer stones were only used by prophets and righteous men in the Bible. When Saul became wicked and turned to the occult his seer stone quit working. Occult doesn't work with seer stones and never did. Josephs seer stones worked and never failed. This was recently discovered that the book of Abraham was translated 100 percent correctly. Link UTube video titled ( BOA ep I6)

[@violette4841]

This is good as my neighbors go to do their genealogy and tell me they prayed for me there as they met with their dead relatives and saw spirits dancing. For every little thing, the women run to their religious leader for advice, and they tell me how grateful they are for the men in their homes having the priesthood - even their drunk, brain damaged grandpa is endowed with this special gift. Even the male child has the special gift. To you he is a little snot, but no, he has the ability to meet up with Nephi, unlike you, woman. I like to invite them into my home where they freeze with horror when they see the Catholic cross hanging on the wall. I try to invite them when I am well and truly tanned brown from visiting Malibu for my vacation too. It emphasizes my Frenchness and fills them with more horror and disdain.😊 "Brothers and sisters, know ye that there wilt be no crosses in the deep pits of hell. Ye shalt be comfortable there with the absence of such Catholic idolatry. Thus hell wilt become Mormon heaven wherever ye shalt be." Your Joseph Smith who awaits for you - along with Nephi and your big brother, Lucifer. PS Big mouthed French women wilt not be allowed in Mormon heaven. They wilt go to the Christian heaven and do nothing but sit on a cloud and play the harp. No polygamy and continuous childbearing for her.

[@AvadenSV]

@@paulgregersen3570Saul’s “seer stone quit working.” Please provide a biblical reference for this. Thank you.

[@Latter-dailyDigest]

Ballardize - The public flogging of an unsuspecting LDS member via the media. "Wow! He is really getting Ballardized!"

[@christinenewman2379]

Wow, 5 grand a month? Dang, I’m on a wrong career 😢

[@Radioposting]

Maybe after "saving children", they can pivot their organization to Ghost Busting. "Who ya gonna call?" Or maybe they could go into treasure digging... Oh wait, that's already been done.

[@bewitched3912]

Ghost Busters fan here, neither Bill Murray nor Kate McKinnon did anything to deserve this, lol

[@Radioposting]

On behalf of Utah, I wish to express my deepest apologies.@@bewitched3912

[@matthewroberts3125]

And when someone asks if you are a god you say *YES*

[@rondasalisbury9978]

You two crack me up, loud laughter is the best medicine. Love the AI slides. This is crazy stuff

[@tawnyachristensen7310]

Loved this! And I totally agree that there needs to be an investigation into the investigation, and Sean Reyes involvement in it going away.

[@redmountainshaman2757]

Using the priesthood as a guise to stop people from connecting to spirit themselves is a brilliant way to maintain control.

[@caraosullivan7089]

One of the best podcasts yet.

[@Gideonslc]

Joseph Smith told men in the Church they looked like Seth, Paul, & other deceased Prophets and Apostles... but that fits with "Calling and Election made sure" and "Communion with the Church of the First born."

[@shannonisenergyLOA]

Only LDS men are allowed to be on the spiritual grift, I wonder what the reaction to this would have been if the psychic was a priest hood holder. Ballard’s whole organization seems like a long con

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

If it was a man with the priesthood it would be a prophet not a psychic! Lol. Thanks for commenting!

[@moesyah]

landon’s solar enlightening is speaking to my soul

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

How do you know that was the sun and not two heavenly beings directly over my head calling me by name? Oh ye of little faith! Lol Thanks Moe for watching!

[@manuelvillalobos682]

Clarification to Non-Mormons: With regards to the reference concerning a medium contacting an ancient prophet named Nephi, it is important to clarify Nephi is understood by a scholar majority consensus to be a FICTITIOUS character. Nephi is part of the religious mythos of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints through their book of scripture "The Book of Mormon." The Book of Mormon is believed through faith, by members of religious organizations linked to the Mormon religious movement, to be an ancient historical record. However, scientific evidence and scholar studies show the book is fictional, containing autobiographical elements as well as religious beliefs from the time and region of its author Joseph Smith Jr.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Then who is giving her information that she is passing on ? Familiar spirits are real: even if you don't believe in them.

[@manuelvillalobos682]

@@davidjanbaz7728 People who tell lies to manipulate others and exploit sensitive situations are real. Very very real. So, don't forget about that possibility, ok? ;)

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

We’ll said! We should have explained that fact better for our non-LDS listeners. Thanks for clarifying!

[@sedg83]

Could it be that elder Ballard was fine with Tim using his name to endorse the overall project, but didn't actually know about the psychic's involvement and later found out about it and that Tim was telling people he knew and endorsed and blessed that aspect when he didn't? Maybe that's what Russell is so upset about and finds unforgivable? That he's mired up with the psychic nonsense now, which can hurt the church?

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Absolutely that could be the case! However, that means a man who claims to have prophetic discernment was lying about that and using Tim Ballard’s name to prop himself up! This ball bounces both ways! Thanks for the comment.

[@natenelson9102]

Remember, Mormonism already has built in fortune tellers, although we never call them that. Patriarchal blessings are supposed to be your sacred fortune of the future. So it's not too much of a stretch to include other types of fortune tellers

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

One thing about church fortune tellers is the church is the one who always ends up with the fortune!

[@natenelson9102]

@@mormonishpodcast1036 oooh clever word play 😂

[@katsmith2343]

brilliant comment! @@mormonishpodcast1036

[@Workerofwood]

Looks like Tim is dunn…, Paul H. Dunn…

[@SukunaIsAGod]

Tim B, done...

[@Jsppydays]

Military has used for remote viewing for years. Using psychic is not unusual and has helped law enforcement... good physics but this one was just expensive... she was not so good from what I've heard. This is interesting.

[@redmountainshaman2757]

Exactly-there are truly connected and gifted people and ones that are not so much

[@maxinekennedy5888]

The 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics was shared between Alain Aspect (FR), John Clauser (USA) and Anton Zeilinger (Austria). There was no Nobel Prize for Pyschics and I doubt there will be one in 2023 either.

[@ericreed4535]

Provide what you consider the strongest evidence for psychics.

[@ryanhollist3950]

Throughout all of human history and cultures the issue of "our magic is the true power and other's are frauds or 'deceiving spirits'" has been a constant. It's all a matter of distinguishing tribes and the consolidation of power.

[@AvadenSV]

12:45-13:02 Landon, as always, you have perfectly-executed analysis. Kind of reminds me of RFM! I am guessing that Top Men of questionable organizations don’t appreciate that kind of logic.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

I’m sure RFM would be offended by that comment but thank you so much!

[@patricianoel7782]

Love your content.This is crazy stuff! Thanks for your work! Just a note: Rebecca, your “speed talking” is sometimes hard to follow .

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

That was my fault (Landon) I had a work call so we had a hard stop! Thanks for your comment!

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching from Alaska. Brilliant.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Thanks for watching. Stay warm!!!

[@kerryholyoak5720]

Is “revelation from Nephi” the capstone of OUR ?

[@OuttaMyMind911]

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s the cornerstone.

[@rydiddy6233]

Nephi was just giving Janet directions based on the OTHER Hill Cumorah as the starting point. If Tim and Janet had just studied the scriptures a little harder, the mission would have been a success. Church is still true, better luck next time, heathens!

[@rydiddy6233]

@@jessigirlrae1688 I was being sarcastic…

[@SukunaIsAGod]

​@@jessigirlrae1688The snarkasm was obvious to me.

[@mylifewithmarmalade4624]

49:34 100% It’s about power and control. As long as it is “the priesthood” AKA “virtuous Mormon men” it’s fine. But women? The average Joe down the street who might have a different idea of deity? Nope. That’s terrible and evil. Honestly I’ve gotten more into alternative medicine, intuition, and the general woo woo since I left Mormonism almost 20 years ago than I ever was in, and have found a great deal of healing, empowerment, and peace there. However, no reasonable person goes and bases their life ONLY on that. Sure I like my essential oils, but I’m also going to take my prescription medications and see a doctor when I’m sick or injured. Plenty of law enforcement agencies have used psychics and mediums to help break cases, but that isn’t the only intelligence they use and they certainly can’t prosecute anyone with that information.

[@ETBlair]

Nephi is a fictional character.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Yes, we should have clarified that…talking to fictional dead people is even stranger than talking to actual dead people! Thanks for the comment!

[@hlnbee]

The BOM is fan fiction.

[@LamaniteLiving]

Landon pasted the MS brick wall and uses the Yellowstone accent… he’s a cop for sure

[@JOSEVALDIVIESO]

I think all the Ballards need to be kick out of the church

[@hlnbee]

I briefly knew a psychic (an older woman), many years ago who advised church leaders and can’t remember her name.

[@CandlewickLibrary]

So interesting and crazy. I’ve heard so many ex- mediums say that they knew they were conversing with demons, not relatives of people.

[@cilenyswingler538]

WTF!! Nephi directing the operation through a freaking medium? Did she also used a hat for “guidance”? Has JS reincarnated in Tim? That sounds like pure BS to me. This is so embarrassing 🙈🙈🙈🙈 God, help me!🤯

[@Gideonslc]

Cosplay is pretty harmless. Tim was hero larping badly.

[@hlnbee]

My kids and I loved the old children’s book about the witch who made blueberry pancakes!

[@kerryholyoak5720]

Are you sure that OUR isn’t getting intel from Laman or Lemuel ?

[@kerryholyoak5720]

How much is Nephi being paid for his valuable intel ?

[@kerryholyoak5720]

MRB would have to be aware of the workings of OUR since he is a prophet seer and revelator ?

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

I remember when the video dropped.

[@kerryholyoak5720]

Helaman led over 2000 young men into battle for several years and didn’t lose any of them. Maybe he’s the guy you want to channel to find a lost one.

[@Latter-dailyDigest]

Sophisticated intelligence gathering = Sophistry

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Love this comment!

[@birdlyword2]

When I was about 14 we had a young women's sleepover at the leader's house and we played at least 2 occult-type games.

[@leanna107]

Wowwww

[@yanyanfourtwenty]

Hmmmmm... Maybe that mormon psychic should ask Nephi how many pounds can he bench press...

[@Gideonslc]

The most humorous aspect of "Occult = Satan Worship" is Joseph Smith Jr's fascination with, and use of Occult practices and ideas... is that the Church self incriminating? 😂😅🤣

[@SukunaIsAGod]

Joseph Smith was the founder of the Church formerly known as the Mormon Church aka the Major Victory for Satan Church. So...there's that.

[@carolyearsley]

Smith's family was heavily into the witchcraft that had existed in New England for two centuries. That's why he went for the "plates" on one of its high hold days, Sept. 21, while dressed in black. The new Nauvoo temple was dedicated on June 21, another high holy day.

[@rebeccaking4493]

You talked about patriarchal blessings...are they psychic? Well, mine was boring as hell and told me to take advantage of all the new and wonderful inventions of the world. Maybe he was on point, since he couldn't come up with one single church-like prediction. I subsequently parted ways with the church in my my 20's and perhaps he saw that? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, when pigs fly!

[@CBCDs]

I'm hoping the next big reveal is that Tim and M. Russell actually ARE related

[@andrewfike4290]

And I Nephi do say to my servants Tim and Russell, ye shall make appear a used car lot on Main St and 1300 S (Ballard Wade) as to help the brethren more easily navigate their way around thy beloved city.

[@Jsppydays]

Actually just sounds like the same way Joseph Smith brought forth The book of Mormon. The leaders have to believe in mediums and channeling because it's just like the Joseph Smith. I believe it is mediumship and sorcery.

[@karlene69]

I see a future of magic & information.

[@karencamping.5813]

Any idea why Nephi is pictured as quite brown skinned?

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

I think he was cursed for communing with psychics!

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

All I can say is, "Whatever".

[@rpent84654]

this church can f ed up

[@upwherethesundontshine5602]

The word Coven is a from Coven-ant. Making covenants is part of the occult. They are oaths, like blood oaths. The sacrament is a ritual from the occult where a person was sacrificed to the occult God, then the body was consumed, canabalism, and the blood drank. This gave you the spirit, of the deceased while offering a sacrifice to the Gods. Druidry and paganism are similar to Mormonism. Look up the ritual clothing in druids rituals and compare to the Mormon temple ceremonies. Holy of hollies is Druid. Ark of the covenant had magical powers and was druid.

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

Agreed. When Abraham made a covenant with god he walked between the cut up carcass of an animal to seal the covenant with god!

[@leanna107]

This was profound for me to read. Thanks for commenting

[@boysrus61]

I saw the movie about Mary Gary and now I can't find it. But I saw it a few years ago or so. Who made money from it? Someone did.

[@lilatueller]

Do you mean Gardi Mardi?

[@dionclark6581]

This mess is what happens in Utah with belief on ghosts 😂

[@loveandlightchannel2947]

So do you throw away all spirituality in the name of Science? I think that is kind of sad. It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

[@bewitched3912]

There was no baby

[@SukunaIsAGod]

The water was not potable.

[@redmountainshaman2757]

most ex mos do. Sad.

[@ericreed4535]

It's called intellectual honesty. It means looking at best evidences and filtering cognitive biases. It's liberating. No evidence whatsoever for a talking larynxless serpent and a flying astronaut horse. I highly recommend the intellectually honest lifestyle.

[@bewitched3912]

@@ericreed4535 you had me at larnyxless serpent!

[@loveandlightchannel2947]

So you don't believe different people have spiritual and psychic gift? That's inaccurate and prejudiced. It's kind of sad that too many people that leave the LDS church throw away God too and become atheists. I guess it's because they feel betrayed by the LDS church selling them a bill of goods. Which I totally get!

[@lilatueller]

@loveandlightchann2 If anyone DOES have a psychic gift, it’s definitely not this Janet Russon woman. No kids were found under her guidance! It’s not sad that ppl who leave don’t believe In lies and bullshit anymore. Actually it’s critical thinking instead of magical thinking. And we aren’t going to be foolishly taken in anymore by fraud and deceit if we can help it

[@bewitched3912]

I wouldn't tell you to believe in Plato or Solon, the archeological evidence of ancient man and humanoids dating millions of years ago. Plato was right, mankind is a species with amnesia.

[@dustdustdust807]

Doctrine and Covenants section 123......enjoy your kingdom

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

We don’t pretend to have kingdoms we live in the real world and focus on making a difference in this world and not living for an imaginary next world! Thanks for watching!

[@ao571]

why are you doing this I hope that everyone grows into their own strength and knows God and themselves and sees through all the illusions they can be freed from. Everything is regulated by the media, society, and no one outside, from whom everyone can be free Light and love are on the side of everyone who knows how and what to ask for. If you don't separate trauma, reality from truth, how will you ever know what you're talking about? Know what to ask and why? Know who's on your side? Does God have fun or evil? Who knows, who is aware? Why look for the guilty if you are looking for freedom? Why not stop to look at yourself from the inside?

[@dustdustdust807]

does anybody on this channel actual read the scriptures.....or is this against your SECULAR RELIGION

[@mormonishpodcast1036]

We have over 11 decades of scripture reading between. We read several passages from the Book of Mormon today on how to tell if someone is speaking prophetically by the spirit and Ms. Ruston passed the test!!! Yeah for the scriptures!!!

[@PrincessOPD_Utah]

Thanks ☺️

[@PrincessOPD_Utah]

Thanks ☺️