EPIC FRENCH DEFENSE OF NOTRE DAME | French vs English - Age of Empires 4 Multiplayer

[@davidbryan6484]

As a British man of fighting age, I feel a genetic urge to fight the French at sea

[@turinRTS]

hahahaha

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

The press-gang will be by to show you your new assignment aboard a floating prison later today.

[@TheAshHeritor]

As a dutch man of fighting age, I feel the genetic urge to fight EVERYONE at sea.

[@glens1800]

@@TheAshHeritor and lose

[@TheAshHeritor]

@@glens1800 We did a bit of that, yes, but we also did a bit of winning.

[@Loser9995]

Being upset at the French getting a super strong early navy is kinda understandable, getting upset at a wonder victory is just silly tho. That's always a possibility, and you risk that when you invest SO much into your armies

[@TakedownO44]

agreed. Also not to mention the fact that AOE2 devolved into who had the fastest rush, it's promising to see other methods of victory being viable in multiplayer.

[@Loser9995]

@@TakedownO44 For sure.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@TakedownO44 Yes, reminds me of my unforgettable LAN AoM match where me and my opponent were stuck at an eternal stalemate both at land and at sea, when in the end after one epic long match I resorted to a wonder and won by a hair. He sent an army of Pegasus and an Earthquake that I predicted and surrounded the wonder with villagers to keep up. If there ever was a replay I wanted, that would be it. Also, there are sacred victories that can be achieved by map control that I have just been reminded reading a steam review.

[@karatekan2182]

I'll give him credit, he scrapped. On a naval map, I'd have given up as soon as I saw the timer. He would've had to be absolutely demolishing you in eco to have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

[@alecshockowitz8385]

The guy should have landed further south and built less ships. Honestly, I think the move against all but the utmost best of players is demo ships. They are absolutely insanely cost efficient. Additionally, they are fast and look like fishing boats, making for easy decoy demos too. He also could have won through Religious victory. He just didn't land a monk or any troops on the second island on time. The timer would have ended around 1-2 minutes before the French wonder victory, in this match.

[@nicklarocco4178]

I'm afraid the keeps will be quite operational when your fleet arrives.

[@madclone84]

LOL

[@RoulicisThe]

"They're doing the work of Sigmar" Turin, your Warhammer vibe is leaking again ^^

[@turinRTS]

Pretty much!

[@goromajima4769]

I really enjoy watching you play even though I suck at this game myself, this is too much micro for my brain to process it all. Also your commentary is amazing and the fact that you manage to comment on the game like that while you play is definitly impressive.

[@drowningin]

Yeah playing these games gives me anxiety like a MFer. I am way too slow in a game where seconds count. I'm playing the campaign on easy, and I usually lose twice before beating it. I remember being better at AoE 1&2, and Warcraft 3 when I was younger. I was excited for this game, but I'm sooo bad

[@Pewling]

Ah the French vs the English, an absolute classic!

[@turinRTS]

Indeed!!

[@ggleplussuxx4787]

My only pet peeve is that the French spawned on the northern side

[@ZeroMat1]

@@ggleplussuxx4787 Its the southern side , but you see it from the english perspective !

[@johntitor1256]

@@ggleplussuxx4787 I just convinced myself that the map was upside-down.

[@GaBoiGregG]

Wonder victories are such a good addition against turltes and super def or passive players

[@Makofueled]

Same with sacred sites. It's good to encourage contesting the map.

[@dorzimm]

Feels like the French are strong but they also have are countered with effective camel (if Abbasid) or spearmen and crossbow play -- they have a clear advantage in early game on island maps for sure though. I am hoping they don't get too nerfed because they seem fairly weak against early land rushes, which the Mongols, HRE, and English can do pretty well, no?

[@dome2919]

This. Super nervous about over-nerfing

[@saberpendragon271]

Ah yes, something I've never seen before. The French vs The English

[@Monkeyman-qt1sm]

Lmao “double keeps here.. oh someone’s Tokyo drifting” as you hear the whole fast squad drive past🤣🤣🤣

[@boosterh1113]

NGL, I was sweating during his big attack. Not because I thought that he could crack your wonder defence, but because of Landmarks. You had your starting TC and Age II & III landmarks in a straight line from the coast to the edge of the map, and your Age IV landmark just a short distance off to the RIGHT (i.e. AWAY from your invincible, Wonder-protecting corner pocket). Once he killed the Guildhall and the TC and you didn't start repairing them, I was pretty sure that you had forgotten he could just win by conquest. All he would have had to do was push his arty just a little further inland to bring down your Chamber of Commerce, and then he would have been able to attack the College of Artillery from under the protection of his ships' guns, while you would have had to completely leave your protected pocket to stop him. In the end, I think you just got bored, and used your cannons to fight the ships and drove off his landing force with your knights, but for next time you need to remember to protect your Landmarks!

[@partydean17]

Yeah I thought about that too but when Turin said it didnt matter I thought maybe the Wonder ends up removing that option from the enemies UI.

[@VladtheImpaler_99]

It would have been a lot easier for him to destroy your landmarks. He already had half of them down. I'm not sure if that counters a wonder or not

[@KlemYy38]

Doesn't the wonder count as a landmark ?

[@Matthew-hl5eg]

@@KlemYy38 If memory serves, yes.

[@discolizzard7878]

Wonders don’t count as a landmark. I lost a 1v2 match because I thought that wonders counted as a Landmark

[@Galdring]

Very entertaining game! Would be interesting to see the other tabs at the end (overview, timeline, statistics) in the "Victory"-screen.

[@SpiceCh]

0:56 - Bottom-right: that is the most hilarious wood cutting I have ever seen in any game xD

[@Havingfun0]

Full release seems pretty smooth and balanced from what I have seen so far. I will probably wait and see what the dlc policy is looking like before I invest. I am not looking to make the same mistake I made with tw warhammer. Where I have a 300 dollar game I don’t play much.

[@Makofueled]

Hopefully it conforms to aoe3 de's model where USA was released unlockable in game, and the civ packs beyond that were reasonably priced and few in volume.

[@jordansligar1644]

Get the xbox game pass to play it, its 1 buck for game pass first month if you havent gotten it before

[@roundishwhale]

This one was amazing xD Loving the Wonder/Sacred Victory condition interactions of this game^^

[@Whatsuppbuddies]

The French look pretty unbalanced, but what a whinge of an opponent man.

[@turinRTS]

French are the strongest faction IMO

[@03Grunt-arrino]

@@turinRTS Is anyone a hard counter?

[@oldmanramblingatclouds]

@@03Grunt-arrino IIRC in Turin's recent 5-hour AoE 4 stream, he trounced them with ze Germans, but that might have just been an inexperienced opponent since Turin just rushed them with Landsknecht.

[@whatrnames]

@@03Grunt-arrino Abassid is good v french in theory.

[@dome2919]

@@03Grunt-arrino In a match as China Turin did pretty well. It seems coynter-intuitive, but their arty, defensive landmark, and quick building means that you can hunker early game and then slow push. Heck, that was on an open map. It's work even better if he could've used chokepoints + fast walling to make cav even less effective

[@bodkinrappallum6137]

Played a 4v4 on islands the other night. We were getting our asses handed to us at sea. Chinese and French navy together were whooping us hard. The enemy team started to achieve sacred victory. My teammates kept the navy busy and i launched a counter attack on a sacred site. It worked, and I neutralized it. Told my teammate to build a wonder in the rear of my base since i had the most fortified base (Rus powers activate). My eco was so insane just from our one island that i was training soldiers as fast as i lost them. We ended up bringing it back with a wonder victory. Oh, and that's after our Holy Roman player surrendered on us. One of us almost followed suite, but I convinced her to rally and stay. That match was a great way to start AOE4 standard quickmatching. So much fun. The game is a great rejuvenator for the franchise and even the genre!

[@deacondank6249]

45:19 definitely some ego leaking through here

[@Neromello]

I used to play a little bit of AoE when I was a kid but I'm still fairly new to this genre but I didn't know it was so fun and satisfying to watch, GG bro! I'm learning a lot from watching your videos

[@turinRTS]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@darkranger116]

French in AoE2 : navy French in AoE4 : *N* *A* *V* *Y*

[@OriginalXVeris]

35:53 sounds like freaking bombs are dropping. Everything ok?

[@turinRTS]

Aye..we've since moved

[@Tom_Van_Zandt]

2 things I wanted to see in this game apparently didn't make it...the ship/naval mechanics from AoE3, which in my opinion was the most fun ship to ship combat I've ever played in a RTS AND "Regicide" from AoE2. I always enjoyed finding and killing the king of my enemies.

[@andrzejwilk7316]

the title of the recommended video: EPIC FRENCH DEFENCE me: Magnus, why are you playing this again?

[@turinRTS]

hahaha

[@diegowushu]

Damn, those kamikaze botes must be filled with bloaty bois. Pretty devastating.

[@jonathaneastman3d]

Lol

[@dome2919]

They're kind of necessary. Being able to dominate sea trades all game just *shuts down* 4/5 of the map for one player. Bloat boats make maintaining that dominance risky and expensive

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@dome2919 He said they one shot him but I am positive I saw two of them blowing the carrack.

[@dome2919]

@@JonatasAdoM token "That's what she said"

[@pedrotlima]

Great game Turin! Your opponent is complaining of balance, but I feel what won you the game were your strategic choices: early game navy followed by island colonization and wonder - all supported by a strong economy. He was always reacting to your plan instead of coming up with a plan of his own!

[@firstspar]

The early French Navy without upgrades was way OP to the English. They had no chance to capture the islands.

[@Rolfw993]

Lol. At around 15:10 you didn't even realize that he spawned up two demolition ships and reduced your ships to half HP. That was a good tactic from him, gonna remember that

[@redfondant4726]

Turin seems to do exceptionally well on naval maps from what I've seen. Be scary going up against him on the islands map.

[@partydean17]

It took him a while to get used to tho.

[@HAMSTERPOESJE]

Incredible match! Really enjoyable

[@Logan-zw6eh]

Gotta love the helms deep, you even had the rohirrim

[@TozuPug]

How do you feel about water maps in AoE4 so far?

[@turinRTS]

Not the biggest fan TBH, love land maps tho

[@Spencer10246]

@@turinRTS I'm sorry you don't enjoy them but I loved watching this game! Island maps make these wonder last stands so tense!

[@surfer101ist]

Love these matches you’ve been having. Any plans on doing a micro guide for AOE4 combat?

[@turinRTS]

That's the plan!

[@aleksanderbernat6447]

"He Will Bow before the Wonder" 👌😂😂😂

[@Emperor_Beardo]

The French and the English fighting over fish? Feels rather familiar...

[@davehalliday8010]

As soon as he said "tier 2" I lost it. This guy is definitely %2000 new to age of empires lol

[@turinRTS]

This is an older one :) haha

[@majormoolah5056]

I am a Francophile, so its great to see France dominate the meta for once :D The only thing missing is a FAMAS upgrade for the men-at-arms

[@rezokiladze2334]

Franks are pretty high tier in aoe2 as well, I think they have the highest win rate

[@samuelbourassa5304]

Is there still a Discord for the Turin community? Can't find an invite that's not invalid.

[@turinRTS]

discord.gg/eaDuah54

[@Deathelement53]

How does trade work? I sent more and more traders into a trade post and eventually they only ever brought back 1 gold each when before (unless I'm an idiot) they were being 30

[@turinRTS]

Hmm it is based on distance I believe

[@Deathelement53]

@@turinRTS okay then I must have combined 2 different matches in my head because the one where I was only getting 1 gold had my trade post very close to it

[@Stiglar5360]

I enjoy watching these videos with your commentary than I would enjoy playing these games

[@TheAshHeritor]

No biggie, just 85 idle worker :D I dread to think how often I'll encounter that once I start playing.

[@turinRTS]

Haha - its easy to happen when you've mined everything!

[@TheAshHeritor]

​@@turinRTS The ruthless deleting of villagers. What about their families Turin?! What have you done?

[@arthurfisher582]

Building walls to protect your wonder because today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you.

[@jiado6893]

It was so weird how he managed to take the seas back from you. There was so much food already coming in from fishing, I never would have left the Hulks without a separate repair fleet. Or left any part of the English coastline unscouted.

[@turinRTS]

Aye, at this point I was fairly new to island maps, and I decided to go wonder

[@jiado6893]

@@turinRTS Aye understandable.

[@joanpunet91]

loved the game and loved the comments! ggs! I have a question, when you get your landmark destroyed, do you lose what was attached to the landmark build like techs unblocks and such? Yhx for the game! tomo we shall feast upon our enemies!

[@hybralisk]

Nope, nothing is lost other than the Landmark itself. Anything that was unlocked by it remains functional. There are, however, some Landmarks that have various influence areas. Those will be lost until the Landmark can be fully repaired. I think that's about it though. :)

[@aryank3014]

Which hotkeys do you use the most?

[@lordofnothing.]

even though it didnt matter, the long distance wood mining towards the end really triggered me^^

[@lenkalenech3102]

This title made me think of The last Duel, great movie

[@turinRTS]

Haven't seen it yet

[@TheAdrian229]

On a normal map roles would be swaped, I like balance of this game actualy

[@Ddotsattack]

I think the hulk's can fire simultaneously from both broad sides or take turns reloading.

[@pwnerdowner]

That was such a heavy metal epic defense. GG

[@turinRTS]

GG!

[@hybralisk]

Oh no, that Keep near the Wonder is one tile too far away from those Stables to give the influence bonus. With the upgrade for it, -30% cost for Archery Ranges and Stables is soooooo good. Just gotta build one's base in such a way that influence is incorporated. XD

[@josiahbridges8146]

How were the English able to keep producing so many ships?

[@turinRTS]

They made lower quality ships and zerged my bigger, unsupported ones

[@josiahbridges8146]

@@turinRTS gotcha. I guess they aren't as expensive as I was thinking. I kept waiting for him to run out of resources with that many ships lol

[@hybralisk]

English get a unique tech that gives -10% cost to all of their ships. Also, English Galleys only cost 180w 180g, down to 162w 162g with the tech. French Hulks cost the full 300w 240g, and have no such unique techs. The Demolition Ships are pretty cheap too, that's what really turned the tides tbh. 160w 80g, and English ones are cheaper too with that tech. :)

[@curiosityredpill7030]

It would be dope if in ages of empire they add a new setting where player’s have the option to play has pirates from to build and rob kingdoms,warship’s,make trades are the option to hire pirates

[@aragornii507]

We need Lord Daut vs soldieR. Needs to happen!

[@HoneyBunnyPH]

The dreaded condom wolves keep messing up your workers.

[@barsni4779]

Isn't shore fish half as efficient as deep sea fish?

[@justinn5357]

You should do some raiding while you wait for your wonder to slow down their force. GG tho

[@RafaelCabreraAzrael]

amazing game the narration is A+ too

[@nath28king]

Are you saying cavalry or calvary? 'cause thats 2 different things

[@turinRTS]

I like to keep it ambiguous

[@nath28king]

@@turinRTS the dreaded ambiguity!!! My nemesis

[@redhammer92]

Ever seen a deer square up and hoof smash something? They are actually scary and could 1v1 most men.

[@redhammer92]

Their tech tree is lacking though tbh.

[@etholus1000]

Lol he was so salty. Well played sir

[@GeneralVern]

This games looking pretty good

[@travisdunlap4526]

I hope that over time they will change the Sacred/Wonder Timers to like 5 minutes or something (or at least offer the option for competitive games). 10 minutes is just too long in a competitive RTS.

[@turinRTS]

Its 15 for wonder now!

[@nemdenemam9753]

oh cool, this game has banelings as well. After all they were so much fun in SC2...

[@soulmask2781]

The salt at the end makes it better lol But really wonder is meta in island play imo transporting a big army is a big pain and defense is better

[@italee]

is he Soldier from competitive AoE3?

[@turinRTS]

Yes

[@MaximusDadcimus]

After i saw the navyplays im totally down to buy it too!

[@Makofueled]

Can't wait to play tomorrow and smash some English as my ancestors demand

[@JoaoVitorXA]

Try to take deep sea fish with the fishing ships. Im pretty sure its faster then gathering the shore fish.

[@turinRTS]

Aces!

[@tyeberiusmcintyre1879]

i think if he set up on the far side of your island he coulda made some magic happen, but trying to land right where you were set up was a pretty poor move

[@Alexyrion]

How do you do this Turin? I was not looking forward to this game, after watching the video I somehow now am, damn you!

[@trock7542]

I’m curious if people want balance or asymmetry. I think we’d rather have unique civs that all feel different.

[@tekmin1]

why the French seem so good at everything?

[@turinRTS]

I bet there will be changes soon

[@dede19833]

Because They are French

[@Floomis]

Pretty sure that's SoldieR the aoe3 player.

[@Angeloflight444]

For the Lady!! No seriously, great game, thank you for sharing it with us. 🙂

[@turinRTS]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Jaws972011]

i really enjoy your aoe content

[@Noremac023]

Man was salty at the end there

[@thethrongler3070]

Wait a minute, I've seen this one before!

[@123fakestreettt]

He coulda taken the sacred sites too right? He secured both islands that they were on.

[@turinRTS]

Hmm, yes, but he didn't do it fast enough to pace my wonder

[@achille295]

2 cannons? Why not get royal cannons, and some trebuchets? You need more siege, take his boats and troops easily while they try to land. And you shoulda walled the rest of your town

[@turinRTS]

Aye, was still learning in this one!

[@achille295]

@@turinRTS No worries, and I was wondering cuz you had college of artillery set up and perhaps forgot about it

[@jonathaneastman3d]

I might have to pick this one up 😬

[@turinRTS]

DEW IT!

[@jonathaneastman3d]

@@turinRTS DID IT!

[@Zaitekno]

Great match! :D

[@turinRTS]

GG!

[@LenaMel]

Would've been nice to just quickly see the graphs at the end, I'm curious just how much of an advantage you had.

[@JonatasAdoM]

The French have a better Navy than the English!? I'd expect the Spanish or Portuguese to get that title.

[@manessuarezserantes9269]

Inlove people putting tc in the hotkey 4 as me, men of culture

[@russfarr2001]

When is the next Warhammer cast :(

[@turinRTS]

Soon!

[@russfarr2001]

@@turinRTS your 2v2 Warhammer tourny casts are the best, hands down!

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

For zer lady 🤣

[@ianhorsfield1988]

If he destroyed your landmarks instead of going for the wonder would he have won?

[@redinfernal_]

Oof. Getting real salty at the end there. Outplayed buddy, no need to be mad.

[@mesloth2080]

love me some smell of french knights in ze morning .. smells like...CHIVALRY

[@Amphok]

i don't like those edge yellow lines can you remove them? it look like i'm playing inside a map editor

[@alv1174]

Man that was epic.

[@JohnnyThe_G]

are you fighting a AI? why did he bother with the islands lol

[@turinRTS]

He's actually a top aoe3 guy I think

[@JohnnyThe_G]

@@turinRTS damn 👀👌

[@kragtorgaming6700]

For some reason, no matter how much water is on the map, you are entirely incapable of going all in on navy. You have lost multiple games because of how averse you are to navy.

[@turinRTS]

100% truth!

[@0889max]

No agincurt for your trollish opponent!

[@Argonaut960]

Epic defense !

[@danielecatania9631]

Good job!

[@Kfo221]

Turin please change your faction's color! I'm bored of blue vs red :b

[@diplague]

You have a habit of looking away from fights to focus on macro I feel like it's rather detrimental - you don't always know what lurks outside of vision range, like demolition ships in this game, and you could be microing your army for better trades

[@turinRTS]

For sure, also consider this game as played like a month ago~ I've since gotten better about it! Cheers man!

[@bradleyallen6973]

you sound like live in Chicago or New York