UNLEASH THE STRELTSY Rus vs Mongols - Dry Arabia - Age of Empires 4 Multiplayer

[@TheDragoon59]

*Defeats a multi-tournament champion AOE player* "Yeah thats a solid one" What an absolute unit, amazing gameplay Turin, the way you calmly handled the unending multi-pronged harass was beautiful. Most players would've easily buckled under it.

[@LukeGeoDude]

The bigger the beast, the greater the glory!

[@scottroberts3158]

man I am so looking forward to watching you play AOE4. There are guys that are better players, but there are few that get the information across to us in such an easy to understand way as you do, and its a joy watching you play.

[@chaseruben9912]

I’ll probably never play this game myself, but Turin makes it so fun to watch cause I still feel like I know what’s going on

[@czarkusa2018]

It's always amazing how Turin can speak in so much detail while making his micro look effortless, the lad's something else.

[@scottroberts3158]

@@czarkusa2018 I know, I also watch HERA and the viper both play AOE2 and now 4, and both are great players but i can never follow what they're doing because they seem to struggle to play and talk at the same time like turin does.

[@echoes_93]

Checked the guy on Liquipedia page, ye he is an AoE 2 pro and his alternate id's are Nagash and Teclis. Perhaps in this crossover Streltsy were the Silver Bullets.

[@branofilipovic9608]

Looks like he is a man of culture as well

[@turinRTS]

@@branofilipovic9608 A wise man indeed!

[@Chikanuk]

Great stuff. Btw streltsi looks like made for being OP in the computer games - "Yeah, they like musketeers, but with greataxes so big what they can decapitate horse or split man in half in single strike, enjoy your balance". Also you game was a sort of historical depiction of 15-16 century - Russia adopt eastern cavalry, raid nomads back, then reform infantry and artillery and land a final blow to khanates, lol.

[@redfondant4726]

Can confirm capoch is "an age of empires 2 pro." According to liquipedia, he has won over $26000 in aoe 2 and has won multiple tournaments.

[@rintv3675]

He is. He was in the last Redbull tournament, which was huge ( with a 100k prize pool )

[@Guy2Fawkes]

He is argentinian.

[@OneHunchMan]

wood walls really felt like mvp here preventing mongol mobility from harming your eco

[@gorobelly]

just aske the chinese :DDD

[@deankruse2891]

Plus the gun troops mowing down lancers

[@SpiritoftheSands]

I really like how Turin never asks for likes or comments in his vids aside from the outro card. Just something I appreciate.

[@95l0uis]

You are right,a good reason to do it.

[@Draregkoeliekalie]

Indeed!

[@NigelGriff]

So you just defeated a world class Age of Empires player whilst giving commentary the entire time? Amazing

[@NotTheLastOne]

capoch is a world class player in no aoe but aoe2, in aoe 4 he is just a regular player

[@NigelGriff]

@@NotTheLastOne There is most certainly a huge amount of crossover between the games. If he came from Starcraft I would agree with you.

[@Lost7one]

​@@NigelGriff SC progamers have mechanical skill on another level though.

[@kalle1689]

The Russ is very strong late game and mongols is prety much the weakest civ late game so..

[@deankruse2891]

@Kalle mongols can field gun infantry too

[@LukeVilent]

16:00 "Rus horse archers vs. Mongol horse archers: I don't think it historically goes well for the Rus." This reflects the later development in Rus-Nomad relations: Muscovy has been absorbing lots and lots of nomadic military specialists, and hence the nomadic tactics; in particular there were "boyar sons", afaik a translation of the Tatar "oglyn". As a result, every, like, second old noble family in Russian Empire had either Mongol, Tatar or Arabic (via Islamized Tatars) name: Sheremetyev, Chaadayev, Ahmatov, Karamzin (kara-murza) you name it. As you know, to this end, it went quite well for the Muscovy - by XV century its cavalry became effective just enough to keep pace with the nomads, and to crush Novgorod infantry, which were more Europe-oriented. 19:40 "I could use some conversion on Mongols, that would be pretty nice" Me, a descendant converted Mongols: "Yeah, pretty darn so..." 24:00 Traction Trebuchet: This is Chinese tech; instead of the counterweight, it is pulled by humans. You know, dozens of humans.

[@darylcummins9236]

When you were talking about the Mongols being an aggressive faction, it made me think of Mike Flores MTG article from 25 yrs ago - 'Who's the Beatdown' - and how it still applies to every PvP game ever...

[@dysonraf]

Love watching this (even though I'll not get the game). Can't wait for you to start doing replays dude as the only downside to these videos (and same for TW) is all the clicking and screen moving means i miss those sweet visuals and deeper explanations as to strategy, match ups etc

[@turinRTS]

Aye there are no replays in the early build atm, soon!

[@Truehavocify]

Congrats on your win vs Capoch! Keep this up and you will be hanging with the other AOE 2 pros on the ladder soon as well!

[@foxdavion6865]

AoE4 is everything I had hoped it would be; basically just an upgraded Age of Empire 2, in 3D and is a bit more historically authentic for the factions. Also nailed the period look for Rus. I like the fact that "unique" buildings are aesthetically matching the time period of their constructions rather than looking out of place like in past titles.

[@Hunter-os5yx]

Obviously this is a TW channel but I absolutely love the AOE videos, hope you make more papa Turin. PS. Happy Birthday

[@turinRTS]

I will cover age heavily !

[@tylercoventry3294]

@@turinRTS the age of age is upon us

[@raptorjesues1445]

i think this might be my favourite faction at the moment (untill they release the polish and italians). Streltzy are cool as hell

[@turinRTS]

Same Rus and Hre are my favs

[@James-sk4db]

If they did Venicians byzantines and ottomans in one expansion I’d get it

[@victoriajyosako2549]

Before I bumped on this video I couldn't understand much how others manage to gain the map control, what they were doing, why in that order, but now with this gameplay, everything is waaay more cleaner. Thanks a lot for the gameplay/explications, now you got me addicted to watching more

[@Playaplaya18]

Kislev lite was pretty cool. I feel like a polar bear force would have devastated him sooner.

[@turinRTS]

BEARS!

[@Playaplaya18]

Future AOE4 dlc, perhaps ;) I'm not from that area of the world, but I'm certain it's lore... uh, historically accurate.

[@robatosan1537]

Always amazed by your skills Turin. Whether it is top notch thumbnails or great strategies.

[@horus228]

Traction trebuchets are in contrast to Counterweight trebuchets operated by human strength. A counterweight trebuchet (like the Bretonians in Warhammer have) uses a counterweight and the lever to propell the stone. On traction trebuchets are basically some dudes pulling the lever with ropes where otherwise the weight would be. Its basically a lighter variant. Hope my "english" is understandable. Love your content by the way and am enjoying the AoE content very much. Game gets right into nostalgia but with really cool additions and diversity!

[@galling2052]

well this certainly seems better than dawn of war 3. Glad to know relic still knows how to make an rts.... damn they must have had a stroke while developing that abomination.

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

Well they make age of empire 4 for Microsoft. I dont think Big daddy M will be please if Relic f*ck up

[@DrScarface74]

Yes actually they were supervised by worlds edge, a msft studio

[@allconsuminghat-]

One thing I learned from t90 is always have your Town Centre producing villagers to expand your economy. It should never be idle. That can mean being food heavy at the beginning.

[@raifthemad]

That I learned about 17 or so years ago :P there were these tutorial replays, that came with whatever version of aoe2 I had, showing how to macro and bring in the boar, build a bunch of forward military and flood your enemy with units behind a good eco, etc. Even remember one players name maimingMatty or something like that.

[@turinRTS]

I generally produce workers non stop, always a good call, unless extreme late game!

[@Joker-yw9hl]

Turin. You beast. Anyone who loves both Age of Empires games *and* Total War is an immediate legend in my eyes

[@kuranoxx]

MOOOORE AGE OF EMPIRE!

[@turinRTS]

A LOT more to come!

[@gulanhem9495]

What a calm and relaxed casting style! And to beat Capoch just like that. Watching this game was a very special experience. I'm immediately a fan and now I want you to beat everyone. 😅

[@Paegan1983]

“Goddamn Mongolians attacking my shitty wall!!” - all I can think of while watching this

[@N0ahface]

Turin, have you thought about making an AOE4 guide explaining what you're doing and why? As someone who has never played an RTS besides Total War, I can kind of follow what's going on but I'm definitely missing most of the stuff beyond the surface level.

[@geoffroyperrault4808]

That would be nice

[@turinRTS]

Coming out soon!

[@N0ahface]

@@turinRTS Sweet! Even without knowledge of the game I still really enjoy these AOE4 vids. They're a lot better to fall asleep to than the Warhammer vids, I always get way too into those and end up studying the builds and matchups

[@_BJW29]

I know hunting cabins generate less gold based on proximity to other hunting cabins, but does the gold generated decrease if you start chopping down nearby forest?

[@TheAshHeritor]

Oh yes, I am ready! I've been rewatching your AoE games for the last few weeks, so I am overjoyed that it's finally back up! But don't tease us like this... where are the camels Turin?! Where are they?! Also, Happy Birthday!

[@TheAshHeritor]

In response to your comment of Rus horse archers vs Mongol horse archers, no, it did not go well for the Rus. The Mongols basically wiped out the Rus states during middle ages, with a few exceptions; chief among them being Novgorod, which survived because it decided to actually submit to the Mongols rather than foolishly fighting them. The Mongols were pretty OP in history. Probably should have been nerfed.

[@jacobbronsky464]

@@TheAshHeritor They were cheesing hard to claim the speedrunning achievements.

[@rintv3675]

@@TheAshHeritor Cuman and Rus horse archers too busy a moving to notice the flank Kappa

[@TheAshHeritor]

@@rintv3675 Yeah, they needed to seriously up their micro. Probably run by new players.

[@meltdown4126]

Historically Russians learned horse stuff from nomads we were dealing with for centuries, peacefully and not so much, so up until Peter's army reformation our cavalry was more towards "horse archer" than "knight".

[@lexchinchas3001]

Completly false information. Up to the rise of Ivan IV the main type of horse warriors were Heavy Eastern Roman styled Cavalary. So, "Knights". Of course we didn't call them Knights, they were always part of "Druzhina". But overall "Druzhina" were quite similar to Knights in many ways, expect for having own land, because of highly dungerous farming in almost all of Rus Principalities, exepct the ones to the south west, Galicia-Volhynia or Kiev. But even still. Russian tradition for Cavalary was mostly similiar to all other European Kingdoms at the time. The Nomad styled cavalary come into main use much later, and the main bulk of it were Cossacks, who themselves were much more Nomadic in culture.

[@ItWillBe24]

wtf/ horse archers never where our strongest side - heavy cavalary was.

[@Chikanuk]

@@lexchinchas3001 Lol, so you try to tell us what Pomestnoe voysko, which was already a main force in the Ugra river times was a heavy knight army despite ALL historical and archeological sources? Can you show us solid proofs, or its your personal fantasy?

[@Chikanuk]

@@ItWillBe24 Уже на Угре бОльшая часть кавалерии была именно кочевого образца и это исторический факт, как у наших историков, так и у иностранных.

[@lexchinchas3001]

@@Chikanuk Где Угра, а где Русские Княжества были. Я не отрицаю, кочевого образца кавалерия была, но костяком армии на тот момент, а именно дружины князей, были тяжелыми всадниками по образцу Восточной Римской(Византийской) кавалерии. Вас может смутить традиция русского доспеха, который действительно берет свое начало из степи, от Хазаров и других Тюрских народов. Однако по своей конструкции и тяжести она не уступала Европейским экземплярам тех лет. Более того у Князей и их дружин были характерные рыцарские шпоры, присущие тяжелой кавалерии Западной Европы. Что было доказано археологией. За историческими доказательствами ходить не надо, во время одной из первых битв против Монголов, Русская Тяжелая конница смогла пробиться в командный лагерь Монголов и переубивать их всех. Так же миф об Ледовом Побоище, по качеству и тяжести снаряжения, обе стороны были идентичны. Я понимаю, что не предоставляя конкретных научных исследований мои слова и гроша выделенного не стоят. Однако и ваши утверждения не несут какого либо научного веса.

[@TheAbyssofFire]

Imagine if Turin the character was as calm and collected as you. Beleriand would never have sunk.

[@jonathaneastman3d]

Such a breath of fresh air. Glad you're making diverse content.

[@turinRTS]

More to come!

[@muaddoubledips]

Glad to see your variety contents getting traction! I don't play AOE4 nor WC3 but I enjoy your commentary. Keep up the good one Turin!

[@turinRTS]

Much appreciated!

[@zornkopf3810]

Congrats Turin. Great play under pressure!

[@TheMisteracdc]

"It comes with all the bells and whistles - it's essentially what we are saying here". Turin is such a gem hahahahah

[@Synthetic-Rabbit]

I just got the game but I'm a very long time AoE player. Aren't you able to carry the deer carcass with the scout? It's a small thing but I'm honestly just curious.

[@SWOODSJUICE]

Subscribed. Just got the game yesterday super informative and awesome. Thank you 🙏

[@turinRTS]

Welcome aboard!

[@gwynbleidd_witcher]

Such a history-following game! Rus suffered from nomads until streltsy and gunpowder release. And then the nomads couldn't do anything.

[@Chikanuk]

Actually Rus start to push back in 15 century, 100 years prior streltsi. Its took around 20-30 years to switch from knight type of cavalry to nomad type, extremely fast at this age and situation. So yeah, 15-17 century russian cavalry was mostly easter style one. And its make sence - to counter nomad raids you need fast cavalry which can catch raiders. Russian nobles become actually very good at this - soon they start to raid nomads back, lol. And later addition of advanced infantry and artillery (both was very modern at this time) made final blow and raids transform into conquest.

[@FantasticU]

Would it be alright if you could enable the match timer :) and good game!

[@doomsayergraham622]

My guy Turin is gonna take over the AOE4 scene, can't wait

[@VotePirateparty]

Finding Capoch on ladder must be rough

[@loweloking88]

This is awesome, the most aggressive Civ vs the most defensive late game

[@anima89x]

Your Kremlin acts as a wooden fortress buffing wood collection without needing to build that other one

[@lu7ky]

You definitely play well but unless it was patched, a tip is that you obviously don't need all of the sacred sites but I believe when captured they give gold (100/min?) like a relic. That would definitely help near your defended areas.

[@turinRTS]

Correct, this was one of my first games in the beta, I know now about the dreaded sacred sights

[@eirikmarthinsen3850]

@@turinRTS So this was the hidden beta and not the streamer release?

[@turinRTS]

@@eirikmarthinsen3850 This is a streamer pre event to my knowledge

[@kino_enjoyer]

The Rus actually picked up the horse archer thing from the Tatar-Mongols. Also we were kinda too poor to afford European-style heavy cavalry

[@tyeberiusmcintyre1879]

that early turn around in the trees with your knights? classy looking move tbh.

[@christopherhayes1369]

Ah, those Mongols really can do anything...

[@JeanLucPicard85]

Gaia is the non-player "nature faction" in AoE games, the animals basically. The Rus get bounty for killing them.

[@polishedpebble4111]

Except for fish/sea gaia though.

[@alv1174]

Very awesome video. So much pressure absorption.

[@oldmanramblingatclouds]

Oh wow, is the embargo off already? I thought it was the 28th- great to see AoE4 games back here! Great stuff, Turin!

[@stavroskosmas8875]

He has early access because he is a content creator

[@oldmanramblingatclouds]

@@stavroskosmas8875 Whoops, my bad, I should have been clearer- I know Turin got early access, but I think I misheard on one of his earlier AoE4 streams that he couldn't post replays until the 28th.

[@KM-cg2bi]

Love it! Learned so much from the hours of TWWH2 videos. Happy the gravy train continues right over to AOE4 now.

[@KorsAir1987]

Wasn't the release date 28th October? :O

[@matthewconradi1840]

Turin was playing the stress testing beta a month ago so this video is probably from that

[@Noimnotatroll]

Neither rus nor mongols were in the technical stress test

[@turnspender7651]

@@matthewconradi1840 No, this is from the early access. Mongol and Rus weren't available in the stress test. It was secretly available from Oct 13 for certain players (and got leaked), and they are allowed to stream from now on.

[@NWLR-tv]

Fun fact the Rus actually beat the Mongols which is why they never expanded into the north eastern parts of Europe. Edit alright so the Mongols did conquer the russia territory but after the fall they beat the tartars of the Golden horde

[@McSniffle]

4:30 Mongols don't get feudal knights any more, they did in closed. In feudal he gets Mangudai while in castle you get horse archers, just keep in mind horse archers and mangudai are both unique units for their respective faction and play surprisingly differently considering Mangudai can fire on the move and horse archers from Rus can not.

[@eirikmarthinsen3850]

Streltzy is no joke my most anticipated unit in WH3. Dragons and deamons? Screw those i want my axegun bois xD

[@partydean17]

Same

[@CallioNyx]

Assuming Russia includes cossacks, they have strong historical basis for good light cavalry (not so much heavy). Their cossack cavalry were quite good, if a bit rough around the edges, a few centuries after the mongols' heyday. (Cossacks were equal parts rebels and highway robbers, at various times, and their progenitors probably included the Scythians, of TW: Rome cavalry fame.). At the time depicted, Russia was really lagging behind. The Tsars and upper nobility was doing well, and the Empire, as such, but the peasants were dirt poor, and industrialization was barely happening. I don't think the boiling point - 1905 - gets reached in this game though, but the hints of it should be seen. If you count Russia as a Europen power, they were one of the least advanced. Compared to most of Asia they were a superpower though.

[@SheedRanko]

I have a feeling that dudes who did the voiceover for Rus are big fans of Indrick Boreale.

[@colealexander6153]

A traction trebuchet is basically a lighter version without the counterweight operated by people with ropes.

[@nicholascotardo3795]

i never been so hyped for a rts game i guess :D usually i dont watch so many gameplays but with aoe is impossible to stop :D :D love the different factions and gameplay and tactict. What would be your first faction for 1 match ? Me (i tried english and HRE in open beta) i think ill go with Delhi or French

[@turinRTS]

French are so strong

[@nicholascotardo3795]

@@turinRTS i guess eschone is strong with weak and good points.. and this is the best. I dont think its easy to balance a game like that. Honestly i had the feeling that the chinese were the op.. but will see.. English with their archers and strong economy, easier to use as well..

[@Blottingpaper]

Grouping cav with footmen and artillery is such a bad move, you sacrifice their greatest asset which is speed. Cav group 1, archers and foot group 2, artillery group 3. Or even better melee cav group 1, ranged cav group 2, Melee foot and foot archers group 3, artillery group 4, monks group 5.

[@turinRTS]

Yes I know this now haha

[@dakotalueken7624]

How are you playing or is this from test?

[@derkuchenmeister]

How does he jump back and forth between different parts of the map? That's such a huge help, don't know how he does it

[@Egregoros]

Could watch you play AoE 4 all day long, so entertaining !

[@TheMostttttttttt]

It begins!

[@zenmanokfine]

Dang dude I was going to watch a movie and chill with a few beers but saw this and felt even better :) TY Noob ;P

[@turinRTS]

IT IS I, THE DREAD NOOB!

[@konstantinn.9846]

I love your AoE IV plays! Keep 'em coming 🦾

[@partydean17]

That was an awesome battle. I cant believe you kept your cool so well with all that pressure

[@heysup8889]

Playing so many of my favorite games :D love it !! Love the TW warhammer, age, and Warcraft gameplay ! Thx for the great gameplay as always Turin !

[@Rosfuture]

and not a single last samurai reference was dropped xD

[@firilockz]

Sick game Turin! Well played!

[@maciejbzura9057]

Actually, in history rus adapted many mongol tactics cause of many defeates suffered by the hands of the mongols, so their become very capabale horse archers. Maybe not as legendary as mongol ones, but still good, especially when fighting with their european neighbors like Poland, Lithuania or Teutonic order

[@particularplaypaint5384]

Wait wait wait wait, is there an early access??

[@blunda1501]

there is if you have enough subs on KZbin.

[@particularplaypaint5384]

@@blunda1501 ooooh, I see

[@nickfarrell1390]

How do you tell the difference between forest that can be walked through versus "wall" forests?

[@nicodemussmith]

The walkthrough forests have tall grass and the trees are spread further apart

[@nicodemussmith]

40:43 top middle is wall/harvestable forest, top right is walkthrough steal the forest.

[@nickfarrell1390]

@@nicodemussmith Thanks

[@ivannadtochiev1849]

Cool game, makes one want to dive into AOE4. Its kinda odd that rus mounted archers can trade with mongolian ones. I mean, you probably cant make mongolian cavalry anywhere near as strong as they were historicly, for balance purposes. But they surely arent supposed to be outtraded by any other mounted missiles.

[@albaniaalban]

Tbf the other civs horse archers are tier 3 units compared to mongols tier 2, meaning they exist in-game 100-300 years later than the mongol ones.

[@delasvegas9644]

After gaining their independence and expanding their own empire, The Russians incorporated a lot of the steppe peoples who were part of the Mongol horde into their own armies, giving them high quality horse archers of their own(see the Tatars for example). Russia getting cavalry archers as good as the Mongols but an age later is actually pretty accurate

[@blake-gm9dn]

Did you get early access?

[@jayski87]

There is no way I can play at this tempo. A.I here I come 😂

[@alexnickolaev]

Goddamn Mongolians! Break down my city wall for the last time!

[@PetrucciIbiza]

Great play Turin. This guy is in like top 10 or 15 aoe 2 players

[@badstreff]

Oh yeah!! Have been hanging out for some Turin AOE4 haggard goodness

[@RoulicisThe]

When the video started and the names of the players appeared i was like : "WAIT... Is that name who I think it is ?!"

[@turinRTS]

It is!

[@sierra18puma43]

Seems to me that walls are severlty underused in competitive play in general, and for the RUS in particular, wooden forts on the outlier

[@patrol2omega]

22:34 you could have taken all of his army and remember to always carry the healers with you for massive victories+

[@roundishwhale]

Loving the AoE4 content! And as always, Happy Birthday ;-P

[@MrAndreasK7]

Kislev looks pretty powerful!

[@Logan-zw6eh]

Wild that he had better econ than you. Considering how well you controlled the map

[@LupusInCaligo]

Awesome game Turin! Great way to start the day for me, some toast, some bananas and some streltsy action! Keep it up my man 8)

[@JotunWar]

Dude this is on the top 10 rank I think, cudos, really nice game I've always just played against the IA on AOE2, but i'm thinking of doing some multiplayer now

[@johnbradshaw7525]

Would you recommend buying this game?

[@Oceanman1650]

Nice glad to see aoe4 gameplay

[@oldrin1876]

Love that you will be playing total war hammer 3 and AOE 4!

[@TheDinofou]

wait .. thegame is actually out ?

[@turinRTS]

Tomorrow

[@diplague]

You could say this matchup is iconic

[@citizenzero5437]

Did you get content creator early access?

[@turinRTS]

Yes!

[@citizenzero5437]

@@turinRTS very nice. Would you consider kicking off with a "Noob League" style tournament? Something like 10 players sign up and play each other player once or twice, then top 4 play a knockout semi and final. You can make it extra spicy where players play twice but each player gets to choose BOTH civilisations for a game once. This will force players to play a faction they may not usually try.

[@veritas4104]

Great game had a lot of fun watching this!

[@acheron16]

Damn, Kislev looking good

[@nilsscholz4474]

i dont get why no walkable wood palisades... :(

[@lukemusto4381]

He's in the global top 20!! Kudos!

[@turinRTS]

Cheers!

[@ProductofWit]

Two very interesting civs.

[@lysergicashes1538]

I think the monk might have bugged cuz you were moving him forward during the wololo

[@serthiag7373]

Wait wait is the game already out???

[@Deathelement53]

How are the French in this game? Think I'm going to focus on them and try to get good with them first