Episode 161: Jim Butcher and James Marsters for The LAW!

Jim Butcher and James Marsters!
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[@jeremybrowand5941]

I'm not sure how I feel about the Harry / Laura marriage. Then i realized that having Thomas wake up into a world where his half brother married his half sister is hilarious.

[@depp0000000000]

Chicago getting wrecked, Murphy dead, marcone/namshiel, nemstine missing , Harry's white council ouster, his grandad "killing" harry....it goes on. God know s how much other crazy is gonna be going down before he wakes up

[@FelineElaj]

That would be funny, sure. But I'm still not sold on that marriage. I mean, if that's a purely political thing, sure. But I am strongly opposed to the Lara+Harry ship. Lara would be bad for Harry is a multitude of various ways.

[@ronalddelrosario7405]

Yeah, you're not alone in being amused by the weird faux incestuous relationship between Harry and Lara. :)

[@RecklessFables]

We know who Harry's mom is and who she married when she had Harry, but did she ever actually divorce her first husband? So if Harry's Mom was alive, they'd be step-siblings...

[@douglassolomon5888]

@@RecklessFables Married? One word, as a possibility: Concubine

[@Chace957]

Bob with full internet access scares me, lol. A spirit of intellect with nearly unlimited knowledge

[@jasmineoldham2989]

James and Jim being the fans of the fans is actually genuinely amazing in times like these love the podcast guys

[@chloetabohakanema9459]

Jim laughing after apologizing for Murphy 😂😂😂

[@mkohlhorst]

It's a roller coaster they say... meanwhile Jim's giggling like a villain as he metaphorically ties us readers to the tracks. And Marsters is over there like 'if I have my voice break there, that'll make the pain more real...' and then the listeners are sitting over there balling our eyes out and trying to explain to everyone around us that we're fine, we're listening to a book and a character's going through some stuff. I'm going to need therapy when the series wraps up.

[@RecklessFables]

WHY AM I CRYING IN THE PARKING LOT AT WORK FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!??!?!?

[@kaneo1]

Why are those people with me on the train staring so hard???

[@kiyannareynard1850]

James, I'm so glad you didn't give up. I've listened to literally hundreds of audiobooks, and your performance is top teir. It's up there with the performance of the Sandman audiobook series, and that's a full cast.

[@plenoric]

After 40 years of reading fantasy, The Dresden Files is my all time favorite series.

[@renehouse2015]

STARS AND STONES! Jim Butcher looks GREAT! He must be eating better and working out because if he's not I NEED to know what he's doing. Note to Jim... you look GREAT!

[@r.babylon2885]

Jim's version of Mab is honestly how I always imagined her. I think I hear her like that in my head because of the Merlin miniseries from the 90s, wherein she has a whispery/raspy voice.

[@chickenmonger123]

I thought it was a bit funny to have Marsters and Jim at the same time, considering Jim narrated this one. However, as someone who reads them in Marsters voice now, and think he genuinely made the books better via his acting, it does make sense. Marsters added an entire dimension to those words, that Jim literally couldn’t. Especially since Marsters is a fan like us. Better, Jim is inspired directly by his work on Buffy, and respects him. To contrast Jim’s performance will be a treat.

[@jimoreod]

"we're not going through all of this without having a fight with a dragon" - Jim Gah!!! Oh. Em. Jesus ‼️‼️🐲🐲🐲Yesss ‼️

[@Dawnybros]

The writing and James' narration in "Changes" broke my heart. I was 'gobsmacked' at the emotion it raised in me. Wonderful performance and writing as usual. Thank you so much :)

[@RecklessFables]

I was DRIVING when I heard it for the first time. Even though I'd read the book and knew it was coming I still had to pull over.

[@nathanday4153]

My favorite line is, "Our city has gone to hell in a hand basket, and then a bunch of monsters shows up."

[@andrewmartin2887]

While I was going through Chemo this last year I relished to my favorite series, and both James and Jim mean so much to me for helping me through that. I cannot wait for 12 months and these “dates” Next time you guys see Jim, ask him a question for me! What toppings do Toot Toot and the gang like on there pizza? What about the wolf squad and Harry? Thanks!

[@aidanmargarson8910]

ok like getting cancer so you can have serious bragging rights on a youtube post is a bit much .. just saying .. love mate

[@nathanday4153]

Empty night! I am a huge fan. I love the books.

[@rayscully4906]

Jim and James are the Bernie Taupin and Elton John of audiobooks.

[@Juanpa_SC]

I feed on Dresden books, Dresden content, Dresden news and interviews. I enjoyed this one so much. Thanks!

[@grindcoreninja6527]

Dammit, I'm only on the fifth novel and I find this podcast. Can't wait to catch up so I can listen.

[@TheBlackstaff]

It is so adorable watching James and Jim you can just see the hero worship on both sides . James : "You are god of the Dresden Files Universe so amazing, I love it " JIm"OMFG SPIKE!!! So how did spike really feel about Buffy? and can I ask you a bajillion fanboy questions?" And they are both holding it back. I hope they just get to hang one weekend and just fanboy out together lol.

[@anabrightlight]

Woah, Jim actually looks a lot like what I envisioned Harry Dresden to look like! That's so cool :) Also, I just have to mention - James Marsters is a phenomenal narrator! I'm so glad he stuck with it! One of the all time best narrations I've ever heard ❤️

[@ktbanksnovels]

My grown sons had to talk me into reading these books and now I'm as obsessed as they are. I read 14 books during the first 6 weeks of the pandemic. It is very cool to have a kind of book club with my 3 grown sons. Now I have a dog named Karen Murphy. We call her Murphy, and of course everyone has to ask us why we named a female, Murphy.

[@fishwrex4285]

Dont name your cat Harry Dresden, he will end up in the vet getting repaired from odd things that normally only affect dogs and coming back strong. Also named the other cat Justine.

[@kimkeltner81]

First time to actually watch a podcast. It was absolutely delightful. I loved the way Jim and James interacted.

[@logicdreamer314]

They are clearly big fans of each other and also respect each other's craft. I think the Dresden Audio books are a case of the sum is greater than the parts. Both are so good at what they do and together they are fantastic.

[@bretedwards2899]

@@logicdreamer314 Perfectly stated, what an amazing team they are.

[@Chace957]

I absolutely love this series. I’d read up to turn coat before I discovered the audiobooks and Marsters’ narration….and it just ratcheted my love and obsession to ELEVEN!

[@reynoldsmjx]

I just discovered this podcast, and I've been a Dresden Files fanboy for years. So cool to see Jim & James talking. It's fascinating. Thank you to all of you for making this happen! 🤙

[@bretedwards2899]

The question that a lot of fans would ask is: when or if these amazing books will be made into movies ? The other comment is for J. B. to take good care of himself, nobody can write the Dresden universe like Jim. J.M. and J.B. are an excellent team, and the cool thing is that they both know it.

[@wayneevans2660]

That was great! The mind of Dresden and his voice in the same place! Wonderful!

[@danielyorke5225]

Love seeing the mutual respect between James and Jim. My favorite part is right around the hour Mark where Jim mentions the humor James wrings out of the work, that’s one of my favorite parts, too!

[@AldrickExGladius]

Loved listening to Jim read. Hes got this "Kurt Russel/Big Trouble in Little China" canter to it.

[@TOAofTONY]

I like how they fan boy for each other

[@roseatkins7864]

Thanks heaps James

[@christianemden7637]

I can recommend "the law" very highly, it's excellent, i listened to the audio book narrated by Jim, and while very good as well, there is a very high bar set.

[@janishope8559]

In listening to Jim I've just realised for the first time that fiction authors have to be the creators, directors and also the actors for their characters. I guess some have that gift and others don't. Kudos to Jim.

[@Sequentonal]

So many audio books i would love to listen to but can't deal with repetitive tone... James is a gem in that regard. i wish that would become a standard.

[@Relmyna]

We knew it was going to be 12 months next. I'm so ready.

[@harveyhams1572]

Sounds like James is a fan, too. I think that this is why I enjoy his work with Dresden.

[@12tallod]

Ah, if it could only go on for one or two more hours....oh well, we got to hear some behind the scenes stuff, thanks all involved.

[@wpatrickw2012]

I am very interested in learning more about the Librarians.

[@depp0000000000]

This was lovely and Marsters is such a sweetheart. Though I think my fav part was eg restraining himself when everyone was expressing sorrow over Murphy hehe

[@thesworn]

I thought it was really cool how there were outtakes at the end. TEN-TAC-ELS

[@andrewottley8472]

I just found out about this on Reddit, I’m going to go back to the 1st episode to catch up, but I wanted to say how happy I am that this is a thing

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

Thank you for listening!

[@Viper3220]

8:45 - It's crazy he's so nervous about his performance because WOW I never really enjoyed audio books before Marsters read them to me

[@SevenDelta]

I can't stand most audio books, but James' reading of the Dresden Files really brought them to life. In fact I was a little dubious about how much I would enjoy listening to Jim read on this one. It turned out so well that I think the only rational way forward for future novels is for Jim and James to divide up the characters and do the reading together!

[@kaneo1]

The audiobook readers for all 3 series are very good! Nothing alike, but absolutely work with those series. Love all three.

[@missouricanna640]

Harry for life!!! In my opinion Dresden files is far far more than “popcorn” novels. On par with Robert Jordan.

[@rikremmerswaal2756]

I'd say it's better than anything Jordan ever wrote. Most of Jordans work is meandering and filled with too many often annoying characters. With Dresden it is like getting into a race car. Everything is streamlined and designed for maximum efficiency:one storyline. One Pov Character and a whole series to devote to the development of that single character.

[@zanekhan9234]

@@rikremmerswaal2756 Chill Rick! Better than wheel of time?

[@rikremmerswaal2756]

@@zanekhan9234 yes, I very comfortable saying that the Dresden Files are better. But that is of course just my personal opinion. In the end it is all relative, but for me the Wheel of Time ended up annoying me more than it entertained me.

[@CharlesZane_]

The Codex Alera is great as well. That and Dresden Files share my number one spot.

[@aidanmargarson8910]

Really .. Dresden is so not Jordan .. zero padding

[@rayscully4906]

I would love to see what James would do with Osborn/Goblin in the Spideyverse.

[@kyledonovan295]

Very grateful that you guys posted this! I got to listen to the Law in between my re listening of Codex Alera

[@kaneo1]

Jim's mental voices: Dresden: Jack Burton (Kurt Russel) Bob: an old TTPRG character Mab: English Renfaire accent

[@jjkcharlie]

Ok this is cool.

[@Kmmlc]

I wonder if Harry is going to try to get onto the accords as an individual.

[@FelineElaj]

I think he has to. He has too many people to protect, too many responsibilities and too many enemies/frenemies.

[@noodleman1420]

Is it possible for Harry to become a sovereign power while in service as the Winter Knight? I would think him being the vassal of the Winter queen would make that difficult.

[@FelineElaj]

@@noodleman1420 good point.

[@FelineElaj]

@@noodleman1420 although, Vaderrung is both a sovereign power as Odin and a vassal of Winter as Kringle. As far as I can tell, at least. He is an immortal, of course, and plays by slightly different rules. However, Harry is definitely groomed to become an immortal, too. Maybe he can become a sovereign power if he adopts a different persona (mask) after becoming immortal.

[@ronniemaclaine5234]

@@FelineElaj I believe that many fans believe this because it has been pointed out in the last few books by the Winter Queen that she is grooming him to be an immortal one time she said it in front of his grandfather and his grandfather did not like that she said it but I caught it way back when he hired Kincaid take out help him take out black Court vampires when Harry pointed out two Kincaid that he wasn't really a mortal Kincaid said I'm as mortal As You Are and I'm pretty sure he meant it that's where I got my first inkling that Harry was going to become something more

[@nicademous6396]

Thanks so much for this. This channel is on my radar from now on. :) Great work everyone!

[@mollypercet8593]

Oh wow! I just came across your podcast. I'm a huge Dresden fan. I'm excited to binge your content.

[@Chace957]

James does them perfect. I hope he doesn’t change a thing

[@melodie-allynbenezra8956]

At 56:53 - My Cousin Vinnie (for criminal law), A Civil Action (for civil law) and Kramer vs. Kramer (for family law) are movies that will work GREAT for legal references.

[@stevewoodmansee5268]

That was most enjoyable.

[@jimoreod]

Huge fan of the series and Jim's writing in general ❤️❤️... But the words "honestly" and "excellent" are much worse than "little"... Just think how many times you've read/heard "honestly, Dresden" or "honestly, Harry" 😅 That being said I can honestly listen to and read these excellent stories over and over and over again 😀😀😀👏

[@AdmiralStoicRum]

i can see jim putting in just before the final draft and typing a word search, "Okay I didn't use 'little' I know I didn't, but I should check." Search: 'little' Results: 583 "Craaaaaap"

[@WillowOfBlades]

Hahaha! indeed 😂😂

[@LeeBrooksawesome]

Thanks!

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

You bet!

[@thomastanner336]

An amazing writer. I have loved all his books. But I feel he might research a little more on his weapons, terms and uses though. Not much though About 98% of his weapons scenes are straight up and accurate. And in a word...AWESOME!! No disrespect meant. Dresden is one of my favorites an i hope he'll continue even after the big 20th book. But i love the areonauts windlass. But I am a former marine, recon, 24 years. And with a quite of alot full on combat experience . Just saying. I also believe that personal politics should be left at the door. Again just saying. But you sir are one of the best and amazing writers I've ever read. And I read alot. You have my respect and admiration. Good luck and God bless.

[@mattcannon6148]

may be new people want really short talks from , but I wait years to buy and read/listen to his stories.

[@goaway3717]

I love both audio versions of Ghost Story and own them both and actually will listen to one right after the other when I'm going back through the series simply because I've found that I prefer Glover's reading of characters that are new in that book while I much prefer Marsters' choices of voice and tone for characters established in other books. I'm happy both exist. I'll probably get a bit of that experience again with Jim's performance in this new book and will probably hope for a Marsters version of it just for that same contrast if nothing else, I would definitely buy the book again.

[@thankslewis663]

In my head canon, Harry's voice changed because he spent this novel in the spirit world as "Ghost Harry".

[@cogitatorcat2306]

Make a super cut featuring both.

[@ctakitimu]

I'm so unhappy I missed this live! With the 'Cameo' app where you can get buy a message from James Marsters, does anyone know if he'll deliver a message as Harry Dresden? I'd love that! To kind of get myself inserted into that world by having Harry wish me a happy birthday or whatever *edit* Michael will be the voice of reason for Harry and his counsellor Also, I wonder how it would be if there was a female voice actor doing the female roles opposite James. I'd be really keen to see what that was like!

[@mattcannon6148]

I want one book from butcher, and that's called " the quest to wipe out Dracule."

[@Chace957]

Someone get Jim better internet 😂

[@mattcannon6148]

ghost story narrator made sense cause Dresden was in spirit mood and

[@gelfie2208]

Just about through with "The Law" at the moment. I'm not a huge fan of Jims performance of Dresden. I'm glad he said he was going for a Jack Burton vibe, because thats what came to mind. But Dresden just didn't feel like Dresden to me. Not the version in my head, or the version that James does.

[@AdmiralStoicRum]

well Twelve Months will be interesting as it seems like it would be this ummm story collection

[@ronniemaclaine5234]

People who are naturally good at something don't realize how hard it is for the normal person I can write poems it comes naturally to me I write them down sometimes so fast that I have to read them to see what I wrote and therefore naturally I have no respect for people who write poems cuz I think it's easy people who are natural actors don't think acting is hard because it comes naturally to them you , you will see people who are extraordinary actors and they will act like it's nothing but people who can't do that will suddenly act like oh wow you are a genius this is how James thinks of Jim because writing is hard for him therefore Jim must a genius everybody has their thing man it's like a monkey saying to a fish I'm better than you cuz I can climb a tree the fish is going well I'm I'm better than you cuz I can breathe underwater

[@Edmans4311]

I liked watching the interaction between Jim and James but this felt short... is there a longer version?

[@ethansdroid]

The first thing that smacked me in the face was that JB hasn't even started on 12 months yet. 9:22, "After that I'll get started on the next Dresden book." Y'all help me out. I thought it was widely public knowledge that 12 months was going to be the next book, and that 12 months was on target to be finished earlier this year (around spring I thought). I may be misremembering, but in his dragoncon Q/A I was under the impression that is what he was talking about. Did I make this up?

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

He likes to bounce between his series, it keeps things fun for his work process. The 'plan' was always to go between Dresden and Cinder Spires, but the news about when he was finished with the new manuscripts get unpredictable. Don't trust anything unless it's an official announcement.

[@ethansdroid]

@@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow Thank you for the answer. That makes a lot of sense. I'm always so torn between needing more and not ruing a creators life by being a demanding crappy fan. Love all of your videos. Have a good one

[@jasonfrost1954]

And is the black staff that Harry’s grandfather has, is that the walking stick to mother winter

[@mortenstenberg5452]

Jims mab, mad her seem scary.

[@arthurweise2573]

Is The Law coming out in book form soon?

[@DerekScottBland]

Just finding out about this. Are we going to get a physical copy? I don't do Audible. I don't mind having an audio book of something I've already read and I'm listening to it as background noise, but I like my first experience with a story being in book form were I can sit in my reading chair with a mug of pop and a bowl of popcorn and read.

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

Yes, there is a kindle version for order on Amazon, and you can try to get the hardcover version from subterranean press as well

[@DerekScottBland]

@@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow - thanks, definitely want a paper version. I'll even do audiobook before I do Kindle, I hate reading on my tablet :-)

[@mattcannon6148]

Glove got the mid-western accents great. Sir Stuart was good from him.

[@jasonfrost1954]

Is Leah Artemis the goddess of the hunt?

[@TG-ob5fn]

Curious what happened to Mister? Last I recall he was stay with Murphy.

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

Check out the short story Little Things in the Heroic Hearts anthology. He is ruling the castle!

[@tanithbroom]

@@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow lololol “Little”

[@jariggs17]

Obligatory comment for the algorithm

[@varenoftatooine2393]

I think the answer is 'because he wanted to'. Doesn't seem to be a bigger answer than that.

[@RecklessFables]

We know who Harry's mom is and who she married when she had Harry, but did she ever actually divorce her first husband?

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

I don't believe she was married to Lord Wraith.

[@whomee2]

there are way too many ads in this video. they're like every 5 minutes, and that is just way too often

[@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow]

Sorry about that! KZbin gets overzealous some times, they should be cut down by a lot now.

[@whomee2]

@@TheDresdenFilesPodcastShow they do like to go overboard don't they. As long as you all get the ad revenue

[@Exkhanvic]

Why is Butcher narrating this?

[@barrybranscum1795]

Unpopular opinion: THE LAW is fluff to assuage fans as Jim purposely delays to make way for James Butcher's debut book....

[@mattcannon6148]

aren't you just a bit curious what his book will be like??

[@cogitatorcat2306]

Horrible Title Twelve Months.