Episode 226 - CAT DD Intro and PEW Science 7.62 NATO Research (28-AUG-2024)

[@mauricevillegas9428]

This channel should have half million subscribers by now. THANK YOU JAY

[@TheJaySituation]

Well, to be fair to the KZbin overlords, the podcast did just start auto-posting here this year 😂 Thank you sir!

[@danielsimpson1225]

Thank you for your hard work!

[@TheJaySituation]

@@danielsimpson1225 you are most welcome! Thank you for your interest in the research!

[@chucksterK76]

Jay thank you for the information, hard work, and entertainment. This sounds like a great suppressor for my 13.5 .308 LMT and after reading the review I think it would be hard to find a better candidate for the size.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@chucksterK76 I'm so glad you find the information useful!

[@cleverman86]

Thanks for sharing Jay! Looking forward to the 308 gas sbr host review. How long does it take you to test and publish these reports per can? I don't think many appreciate the amount of time and analysis that go these reports.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@cleverman86 thanks for listening! It takes quite a long time to test, perform QA/QC, analysis, and then draft the analytical test report(s). Then of course you have publication, podcast technical discussion, etc. It is a substantial amount of effort, and we do believe it is necessary, because without a thorough examination of each system, the user could potentially be misled about true performance. PEW was started to combat that. As long as we're around, the consumer will always have an ally in the fight against silencer performance misinformation. Thanks again for your interest in the research!

[@ReynaR713]

Awesome info ass always brother 🤘🏽

[@TheJaySituation]

Glad it is helpful, and thanks for listening!

[@oliverclare8143]

Would you say this or the ODB would be better for a 16" AR10. The ODB while ratde for 762 Nato but seems to be designed for the 7.62x39. Just curious if there is that much difference other than overall length.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@oliverclare8143 since we haven't performed that specific testing, I can only give you some general information: The DD does have a higher flow rate, so it is possible that ejection port blast will be somewhat less than with the ODB on the same weapon. However, the early time flow rate of the ODB is still high. We have used the inconel ODB on the 13" SCAR 17 with good results. The ODB will exhibit a higher degree of signature suppression overall, but is longer and heavier. As far as "purpose built" for 7.62 NATO semiautos, that's the DD. We have not yet trialed the DD on the SCAR, but we do estimate it will do well compared to something like a SOCOM762-MINI2.

[@oliverclare8143]

@@TheJaySituation awesome, thanks for the information. I was ready to pull the trigger on the ODB and then it was out of stock. Then it came back in stock and I saw the DD was released, which complicates things. It definitely gets overwhelming when trying to buy your first silencer when there are so many options and models, not to mention things like costs and paperwork. I have the HK MR762 and based on what you just answered, will probably stick with the ODB. Again, thanks for the information, your knowledge, testing, and willingness to share is top notch.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@oliverclare8143 any time, sir, and I'm glad you find the information useful!

[@pnw_machinist]

Well F-me…I think the Dirty Dave needs to be the one on my 16” 308

[@TheJaySituation]

@@pnw_machinist hope the data and analysis is useful!

[@lemniscatelogos7917]

Have you ever done the hybrid 46M or am I misremembering?

[@TheJaySituation]

@@lemniscatelogos7917 no sir, not yet!

[@hannibalbarca2939]

Jay, ODB on a 6.5 CM gas gun, what would your *estimates*\best guess be on performance and suitability.

[@TheJaySituation]

My best guess would be that it wouldn't be too gassy, but could *potentially* be louder than a larger purpose-built DMR silencer, for example. If your barrel is on the shorter side, and you need the maneuverability, it could be appropriate. But for a 6.5 CM setup... I have a feeling it's more of a long(er) range type use and your barrel probably isn't tooooo short.

[@redsquadace]

will you humor us and release 300 blk subsonic data/numbers for CAT DD

[@TheJaySituation]

@@redsquadace why? So you can believe us when we tell you it won't work as well? 😂 I mean probably in the future as an academic exercise, perhaps. I say that because there are some cases that have been examined with high flow rate and subsonic suppression

[@redsquadace]

​@@TheJaySituation somewhat related question, is there a performance/design difference between the Inconel ODB and the Inconel Alley Cat 7.62 with 300 blk subs

[@TheJaySituation]

@@redsquadace there could be.

[@danf4037]

So which 762 gas test rifle did you end up adopting? Testing this on a 20” bolt gun, as you stated, isn’t really its forte.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@danf4037 I don't want to jinx it by saying its name. Let us get more stuff in for it first so I know it can happen 😂

[@williamboggs1682]

Have you used capital armory yet and if so are you allowed to say what you bought lol would love to know what you are buying 😊

[@TheJaySituation]

Not yet because the most recent thing I bought was a KAC silencer directly from Knights. Stay tuned though!

[@williamboggs1682]

@@TheJaySituationthat’s awesome

[@J0nnyKiiD]

ODB or DD?

[@TheJaySituation]

@@J0nnyKiiD really depends on your use case, sir

[@juanthelawnmowerthief1641]

DD on a 16 inch 308 DD?

[@TheJaySituation]

@@juanthelawnmowerthief1641 I think that's pretty close to its intended use case; it was developed for 12 to 14 inch barrel 7.62 NATO semiauto systems.

[@quiettime6871]

Eh, more 7.62 bolt gun users than semi auto, sure. More bolt gun users that want a silencer than semiauto 7.62 users that want a silencer? Not sure on that one. The fudd overlap on the Venn diagram is more of a tangent, so there is that. Soooo, did a certain company out of the Carolinas send you a 7.62 host??

[@TheJaySituation]

That's a good point! And no. 😂

[@quiettime6871]

@@TheJaySituation I can't believe they disregarded my email like that.

[@hunterdavis4753]

Recently after alot of research on cat. I will never purchase any of their products and my money will be spent on companies who care about back end support if they ever need it. Cat if you’re reading this. You gotta stay in the R&D world and not marketing or handling warranties/making them. Way too many red flags about this company. Especially their website and instagram. On the contrary. Jay your work is invaluable to the community. You are doing something we should have had 10-15 years ago. Imagine where the industry might be now if that was the case.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@hunterdavis4753 thanks for the kind words about our work! Glad it is helpful, sir. Regarding your statements about CAT - not sure I know what you're referring to, but, there are a ton of companies out there so I am sure you will find one you like! Thanks for listening to the podcast and for your interest in the research!

[@hunterdavis4753]

@@TheJaySituation mainly its the way they portray themselves. We have no face or names to the company, the weird names they give their products, (opinion statement especially here) their warranty process and hearing about prior issues with warranty. I like the fact that they do updates on their KZbin about products and updates however the use of AI every time and the weird title of “Meow” really is a turn off for me and other I have found. These are just my observations from research and personally I hope they turn it around. I love their products and pushing for development of new technology, you can’t argue they are leading innovation. However that is where it ends for what I like about them.

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

Intro too long and for that reason, I’m out.

[@TheJaySituation]

@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath timestamps are in the video description. And for that reason, you should stay! :) thanks for listening!

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

@@TheJaySituation was an attempt at humor, can in the picture almost looks like my cgs Helios

[@TheJaySituation]

@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath 😂 I am bad at getting jokes sometimes, especially without coffee lol. Yeah, I could maybe kind of see a Helios resemblance (maybe wrench flats?) but also this is smaller in diameter and shorter.