Episode 252 - The Betrayal of Anne Boleyn with Dr Estelle Paranque

Natalie Grueninger speaks with Dr Estelle Paranque about her latest book, 'Thorns, Lust and Glory: The Betrayal of Anne Boleyn'.
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[@ElliotOracle]

Thank you Dr. Paranque for your passionate outrage at how Queen Anne was wronged. This interview was so humanizing. You and Natalie are among her greatest modern champions 🙏❤️ I know she is giving you both that knowing National Portrait Gallery smile wherever she is now.

[@ODDwayne1]

There are people, and I have always been one, who are overly optimistic about the decency of others. We didn't understood that people can be evil and totally unreasonable. And it's the MOST honest and good people who lack understanding of evil. Our minds deny evil and constantly make excuses for others...until it's too late and we are traumatized by their rampage and schemes. Anne may have been this way. I think she had NO way to expect the monster inside of Henry. And then she was already trapped. And so many scholars mention that she kept hope for mercy until her last day. She was too good to accept that he was an evil monster. A murderer. A psycho.

[@soniasucu667]

Absolutely loved this chat❤

[@LariLesque]

Totally agree about Henry. Inside he was a narcissist with no compunction in turning on anyone who wasn't giving him all he wanted or didn't subscribe to his godlike image of himself. I can't think of any redeeming features.

[@jmmcgee3509]

I can’t wait for the book! I am fascinated by this take on Anne and Henry, and applying psychology to the past. It easy to forget they are human. I would love to hear Dr. Paranque on the other wives too. Thanks for a great discussion!

[@gonefishing167]

Thank you so much, I loved it. I’ll try to look up Dr Paranque but I haven’t got instagram. Many thanks 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺

[@LauraP1962]

Dr Paranque has a wonderful KZbin channel, ElleHistory. Tons of great content about interesting historical women, especially those of the 16th century.

[@anneedge3627]

I have been reading Haley Nolan‘s history of Anne Boleyn and she talks about the narcissism of Henry and how that was really the reason for Anne’s fall. Also, Haley Nolan’s theory about Anne Boleyn was that she was a passionate reformist in religion and that was also part of her ultimate failure. I am interested in feedback from other Tudor historians about her book.

[@anneedge3627]

And to edit my comment, she was influenced by Marguerite d’Angoulême, sister of François I, an intelligent, well educated woman and a religious reformer at the French court, whom Anne Boleyn had served as a lady in waiting as a young girl.

[@Dee-mj3pu]

After Catherine of Aragon (a peer), Henry chose domestic underlings -- he had complete power over them.

[@gonefishing167]

Didn’t work, sadly 👵🇦🇺