This was really an eye opener on a few levels. I prefer these discussions to overly dramatised and sensationalised documentaries, which rarely give good contemporary sources for their, at times very dogmatic statements of so called historical fact. This comes across more humble in its aproach. I took so much for granted regards the facts about Elizabeth's need to hide her feelings, yet the court would have seen her loyalty to her Boleyn family, this always slightly frustrated me. The B necklace...great answer in regards to that. Just loved the flow of this. Thank you.

Veritas Temporis Filia

Dr. Charlotte Bolland is such an amazing art historian ❤

What an amazing festival!

Thank you, love Christine de Pizan

So, what did we learn about Jane? Anything,

I like it. I’ve heard that before.

This is an episode after my own heart! I am a working poet and writer, and I've always loved medieval history and literature. Thank you for such a fascinating interview! I've already downloaded the book and can't wait to read it.

I've heard the story of the husband and wife changing places for many years. I think it might even have been in a Ladybird book, but was it originally by Christine or did she use a folk tale?

Amazing podcast as usual, thank you ,🙏🏼

Visitors need to pray for the repose of the soul of Katherine Howard if she is haunting it, or have a Mass said for her.

I’m related to Catherine Howard!

This description of the acknowledgment of Queen Anne Boleyn as mother to Queen Elizabeth I is bringing me to tears. After not being able to mention her mother, let alone a public acknowledgment and reinstatement of the status of Queen Anne Boleyn, is so cathartic. Rarely do we get to see terrible wrongs made right. These unions of mother and child by both Elizabeth I and Mary after their father, the serial wife murderer, who reigned as most cruel to his wives and female children, are incredibly moving.

Gareth's books are so good!!!!

If we can get to walk around and feel free it would be great 😊 but who knows until we death 💀

Natalie, I love your insight into Anne's situation, your description of how truly alone she was when Henry turned against her really put me in her shoes and gave me such a wave of sympathy for her. I always felt she must have known what she was getting into but then she probably believed that he truly loved her, that he would always protect her and that he would come through in the end, he would save her from the executioner, he'd do the right thing for her and his daughter, she might even have believed this right up to the moment of her death. It's fascinating and heartbreaking, I'm going to have to get your book now! Loved this, thank you!

The tapestries of Lady/Princess Elizabeth are fascinating. I hadn’t heard that before I don’t think. I wonder if these could have been Anne’s and they were passed down to her, or if Catherine Parr might have given them to Elizabeth as a gift. I can’t see Henry doing it, tbh. He was more interested in Classical or Biblical themes and mythology. There must be a connection between Margariette of Navarre, Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth and Catherine Parr, but perhaps she was just an author a lot of learned noblewomen read… possibly Katherine of Aragon and Mary, Mary and Margaret Tudor… that’s an interesting thought.

I love Claire and am a daily follower of hers on KZbin. Her knowledge on the Tudors is exceptional, and she's an esteemed author who is responsible for so many history podcasters starting their own KZbin channels. She's a delight.

Wish Adam would pronounce Ursula properly and not add an 'H' after the 'S' so he says it as UrsHula!! So unfortunately I had to switch off due to this!

Thank you for this fascinating video. I suppose by today's standards, she wouldn't seem much of a feminist. However, I can't deny that she promoted the virtues of women and a confidence that women could shoulder the responsibility of power. Nascent feminism? Perhaps.

I think it’s important to recognize that she was also a baby Queen Consort of France. At a tender age she wrestled politically with the likes of Catherine de Medici, who seemed to be a scathing player at the French court.

Oh yes--you can't understand the Tudors if you don't know the Plantagenets.

Wine, movies, boardgames, friends and dogs--sounds like a perfect evening to me.

Fascinating. Thank you!

Fascinating. I also think it's strange that her story isn't more told and that she isn't more important in history and popular culture. The Tudor line lives on in her descendants, including the one currently on the throne. Being that she's a woman, she's just not seen as as important.

Husbands sadly kill their wives all the time. No hate is stronger than a hate that used to be love. I don't think it's at all hard to understand that Henry could have been in love with Anne at one point and still want her dead later.

Great talk as always. Of course the question is who was speaking to Chapuys and whether Chapuys did any checking that the person who gave him information was being truthful. Happens today as well.

If they believed that Tyndale book, the king is over everything. The king can kill whom ever he wanted if they are rebellious.

These people believed in Divine right of kings. Mary was the grand daughter of John of Gaunt and a Tudor. If Anne Boleyn had a son, the son would outrank Mary, but a single daughter, no. In fact the French king would not allow his son to be betrothed to Elizabeth.

The two of you are the greatest duo! I can’t wait for Dr. Emerson’s book. He has the most brilliant mind 😊

My heart hurts when I hear of harsh treatments endured by children perpetuated by adults. Poor souls endured various forms of abuse, so much under "church" edicts. 😢 I believe those are used as an excuse to torture and abuse. Who knows what is true and what isn't- what a conundrum for those of you who are researching this history. I appreciate that you all are so diligent in finding sources, dissecting them, looking for confirmation and then discussing in order to reach as true a picture as possible. Thank you both. ❤

Very interesting and a rarely spoken about topic . Love it when you both get together. Thanks Natalie and Dr Owen E . ❤️👏

Happy Coronation Day to Queen Elizabeth I! Such a fascinating discussion to have. These two were complex. It is hard not to take sides sometimes. Hopefully most people can have compassion for both. Thanks Natalie! 🙂

My fav pair let’s go 🎉

Wonderful to see Dr Owen, this is a discussion rarely talked about, so loved the deep dive. Interesting! 👑

Love these long videos Natalie. Keep them coming ❤

Can't believe I'm the first to comment!.

I just finished reading Young and Damned and Fair and was delighted to come across this talk with Gareth Russell. Now I'm very much looking forward to reading his book on James I of England.

One of the Burgandy women had a B with a pearl hanging from it. Isn't that where Anne served in France?

I love a Natalie and Owen episode! Great episode 😊

Brilliant discussion, Thank you both

I never knew before today that Chapuys didn't speak English.. and Corporal punishment continuing in England long after other countries was a surprise. I remember in the early 70s a boy in my class getting the slipper.. This was in primary school!!! The cane was still in use in the early 1980s in my school.

Great conversation, thank you both.

Loved this! LOVED it! I have always wondered if King Henry had any people who actually loved him out of true affection and not duty or fear when he passed.

Excellent! Thank you! 🙂🌹

Excellent! Thank you! 🙂🌹

So many women killed. So very very sad

@13:58 it was Ursula Pole’s daughter who married Boleyn’s William Stafford… Ursula married the Duke’s son Henry Stafford. This is ridiculously confusing and I’m not sure what their ancestral tree looks like 😵‍💫

I listen to both of your podcasts , Tudor chest and talking Tudor’s ,, I’ve listened to all on both channels 🙏;; definitely was hard to get any history on the Pole family , so thank you ,