Episode 42: The Bird That Will Dominate CEDH

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@johnweinhandl8890 5 ай бұрын

Ian’s got to step up his muscle shirt game. -- Speaking of Ian You should have Ian on the podcast or freedom or memo or Ganeshaha

@ColorsAreACrutch 5 ай бұрын

Ian, Waffle, and Memo have all been guests already

@johnweinhandl8890 5 ай бұрын

@@ColorsAreACrutch I know! And I want them more! Otherwise: Ask “Deck check” Ganeshash

@donotunsubscribe 5 ай бұрын

Max P, you're looking noticeably healthier and, more importantly, happier! Awesome to see your journey working in real-time. Keep up the hard work 👊

@robertspears8259 5 ай бұрын

I like the interaction with necrobloom, cycle land, and bone miser.

@TheRealLachlan 5 ай бұрын

Im glad your using the old song.

@luketaylor1257 5 ай бұрын

For Nadu, test out Glimpse of Nature, on a storm turn it essentially doubles your gas. Aslo Pongify is busted as it allows you to target your own creature, then get a new creature to hit with your artifacts. I'd double up and play Rapid Hybridization too. You should also play inkmoth nexus and mutavualt for additional cheap creatures to target mid storm turn. Also Lotus Cobra, Nissa, Resurgent Animist, and Tireless Provisioner help you go mana positive as you combo through and I think are all more valuable than seeker of skybreak and Apetto Alchemist, which both seem weak. Outside of a single target what are you getting there? Another Llanowar Elves activation? At best a sol ring activation? Or just untapping itself twice? All those seem underwhelming. If you get it mid combo you can't do any of that, unlike Lotus Cobra etc. which add gas mid-combo. I also feel like you should be playing every 0 cost creature. Just my take.

@Xath123 5 ай бұрын

Aphetto/seeker plus Nadu is basically seedborne plus thrasios with 8 lands in play, you activate them 2 times each turn (oppo turns as well) and 3 on the last opps turn, so total 9 Nadu triggers per turn rotation

@HBeaulieu28746 5 ай бұрын

To my knowledge, so far, I'm one of the only people running all of the 0 drop creatures. I've been loving them as they turn on opal and are easy sacs for reshape and transmute.

@Xath123 5 ай бұрын

@@HBeaulieu28746that's a cool way to build the deck (ive tried it myself) but I'm afraid is not gonna work for long, when people catch up on the power of Nadu is gonna become harder to get him to stick on the board and get full value off of the 0 drops.. you'll feel the lack of more generically powerful midrange pieces, even though i agree is super fun way to build the deck!

@luketaylor1257 5 ай бұрын

@@Xath123 Yea I can see that. I guess the downsides though are that you're waiting a whole turn cycle for that to turn on, and if you are mid-combo they are less valuable than any generic 1 mana creature. Compare that to Lotus Cobra which adds immediate value when flipped mid-storm turn.

@toctheyounger 5 ай бұрын

Nothing that really tickles me for brewing from mh3 although nadu does look gross. Id be stoked to see Matt from Lemoras cards or Ian/Callahan on future episodes.

@bigboib80 5 ай бұрын

I know it can get tough Max but keep that shit going I can see a difference in your face already!!

@MeddlingMage 5 ай бұрын

The Tayam Hate is always beautiful and refreshing ❤

@Naren25 5 ай бұрын

They are still hating? I don't get how he loves Tameshi and hates Tayam - so strange

@cEDHgaming 5 ай бұрын

Higher Or Play to Win collab would be 🔥

@mehassharpie 5 ай бұрын

Is there a place in this deck for Venerated rot priest as an alternate win con? What about a thoracle to protect against decking yourself?

@mehassharpie 5 ай бұрын

Ivy gleeful spellthief?

@basvopheusden 5 ай бұрын

With Necrobloom and Gitrog, do you actually need a discard outlet? If you have both out, anytime a land goes to the graveyard, you get a draw, which you replace by dredging that land. 1/9 times you will hit two lands, 4/9 times you hit 1 and 4/9 times you hit 0. This sets up a recursive process, which is not a deterministic loop, and will terminate when you mill enough non-lands in a row, but the expected number of draws you get before it does is 3 (if my math/simulations are correct). Since you replace all draws with dredges, you'll end up with a bunch of lands in hand and will have to discard to hand size. Each land you discard results in more dredges and more lands, so after all the triggers resolve you'll again have 7+ cards in hand and have to discard to hand size again. TL;DR can you just use "hand size" as the discard outlet? I'm not entirely sure how you win the game from this spot, since you'll have to do it in the end step, but drawing your deck feels powerful :)

@arxius7114 5 ай бұрын

If you had a discard outlet in anymain phase you had Infinity mana, and you can use assassination trophy to pop all permanent on the board/ all land from your opponent deck's. The Gitrog loop is hard and long to explain. But the you mill your libary and if you hit an eldrazi you do it again until you see a lotus petal and repeate.

@tylerhennessy2701 5 ай бұрын

The bird is the word! This deck is gas!!!!

@aguy7422 5 ай бұрын

would love to see Matt from Lenora’s Cards on here. he’s a genuinely great CEDH analyst. he would be perfect for the set review

@joejojo5966 5 ай бұрын

Im a lil stupid so elaborate if possible, nadu trigger can only trigger once per turn so 2 times only or 2times per turn for the creature the ability is on?

@ColorsAreACrutch 5 ай бұрын

Nadu says each creature you control has the ability. So it triggers twice per turn per creature. That's why it's so good.

@aliismat543 5 ай бұрын

Would love to see the Play to Win boys on here!

@rws3191 5 ай бұрын

One thing I’ve notice while play testing, commander tax isn’t really an issue anymore. Nadu just puts so many lands in play when when you whiff a lot off its abilities

@bluemagemikey 5 ай бұрын

Between Nadu and ghostfire slice, gives new meaning to “bolt the bird”

@BOXICTOONANA 5 ай бұрын

I LOVE ENGAGMENT FOR THE ALGORITHM

@RaGeMaGeGaming 5 ай бұрын

Awesome video as always doods! I would love to chop it up with MaxP and get his opinion on my control deck 💪🏻

@eyeh0 5 ай бұрын

I love both Necro and Nadu! I’m so split between the two on my deck building attention span lol.

@saltinegaming9348 5 ай бұрын

I’ll see you in the tournament at SCG Vegas Wounded! Hopefully you’ll get to see my Treebeard list in action.

@marcosaguilar9337 5 ай бұрын

Now that’s a commander I’m building already, it’s insane how much value can give you, and it’s ability.. skips OBM triggers bc they don’t give you cards. Definitely a commander to watch out 4 sure

@B1gLupu 5 ай бұрын

Get Lerker, Shaper or Shake as a guest. The r/cEDH subreddit and it's Discord has had a big impact on the format, so maybe have the guys in charge of it on :)

@NickNicolay-ih4zi 5 ай бұрын

Ian, 100% lol. Awesome episode fellas!

@JesseInglis-lj6yo 5 ай бұрын

congrats on the weight loss, working on that thing myself as well!

@GoldSabertooth 5 ай бұрын

Goldsaber would be a good guest

@Clemsonalumnus 5 ай бұрын

So Bill isn’t seeing much play right now, but I slotted him into a few decks. He’s actually absolutely busted and can make any deck into an aggro deck in a single turn out of nowhere.

@a7699aaa 5 ай бұрын

what's Bill?

@Naren25 5 ай бұрын

Bristly Bill from Thunder Junction

@BarrenIamninja 5 ай бұрын

One word "Derevi".

@Thelastpraetor 5 ай бұрын

The thing I've been saying ever since my buds told me about this commander. It's a better Thrasios, nothing else comes close to how much power Nadu has.

@ManMan-ho5gu 5 ай бұрын

Hey y’all I had a cedh ethics question: I have a hand drawn no text (aside from card names) najeela list that I have not yet played outside of my main group. What’s y’all’s thoughts on no text cards

@TheFootballstar5588 5 ай бұрын

Most Cedh players are pretty chill about that sort of thing especially because wizards has printed no text cards themselves, but I have know tournaments to require proxies have the full text

@brendans1983 5 ай бұрын

Personally, if it is a card that other players are going to need to read, whether it be for points of interaction or how to play around said card, then it needs to have the words. I have lost count of the amount of times people, myself included, have needed to have multiple reads of a card over the course of a game. I probably, honestly, would ask you to play another deck. But don't get me wrong, a textless deck would be epic to flick through!

@ManMan-ho5gu 5 ай бұрын

Ya my playgroup rule 0d it but I understand the complaint.

@samuelzachary8396 5 ай бұрын

Join the club, clean shave on top is such a good look with a beard.

@BrashM 5 ай бұрын

Shuko and lightning greaves go crazy

@BisyBackson365 5 ай бұрын

Zain as your guest

@haunakahzombie7899 5 ай бұрын

This deck honestly doesn't even NEED the expensive mana rocks either. One drop green ramp enchantments can have up to 5 lands out in a cycle.

@Xath123 5 ай бұрын

This deck is terrifying... That's why I built it myself, loving the 🐦!

@Teknomahge 5 ай бұрын

Please invite Brian Coval as a guest for the set review

@andyontaneda996 5 ай бұрын

I am a nadu pilot love itb

@lomo918 5 ай бұрын

Fine I'll be the guest on the show

@kevinsimmons5343 5 ай бұрын

Bro, I don’t know why but Ohio just decided to only have bronze events that were all unplayable for me. If I make it to the invitational, it’ll be a miracle to be honest at this point lol…. Grats on top 2 though!

@xxthevampirate 5 ай бұрын

I know they just bitched about episode starts at X:XX but they either need to use timestamps or lets get someone give people a good starting point... The "It's a podcast" argument only works if the people making the podcast actually understand what they are saying about that. Look up retention beats and techniques that podcasters use and grind your podcasting stats up.

@ColorsAreACrutch 5 ай бұрын

What do you mean by this?

@Ivantheterrible666 5 ай бұрын

Tayam is a cool deck 👍

@Naren25 5 ай бұрын

It's an Abzan trashcan, but we love it

@NorthStarcedh 5 ай бұрын

mindsculpters

@baamxxv63 5 ай бұрын

The more you hate tayam the more combo we get >:)

@rawpiping3283 5 ай бұрын

green blue zada? idk if its that good

@dave3269 5 ай бұрын

Six is a better commander than Necrobloom

@SOJACjac 5 ай бұрын

I think we can get bird turn 2-4 consistently.

@hotarias 5 ай бұрын

What

@Chris-e1w6n 5 ай бұрын

Just sayin aphetto alchemist plus legolas quick reflexes wipes opponenets board and you can ping but not kill your creatures for lands and cards

@davidew345 5 ай бұрын

Put dracomancer on the show

@MeddlingMage 5 ай бұрын

Please get Memo on the Show

@MeddlingMage 5 ай бұрын

Or Nado. Would really appreciate that.

@vitalgaming9248 5 ай бұрын

Spark double Nadu :)

@WhoTFareyou2 5 ай бұрын

Ngl not trying to take anything away from max or comedian but i feel like when your getting travel and aruff comp'ed for alot of events meaning your going to an abnormal amount of them and your still below jorman who doesn't have rhat luxery and is just going to what they can. Jornan might be on a different level.

@ColorsAreACrutch 5 ай бұрын

If you look at our topdeck profiles Jorman has actually played in the most tournaments out of anyone