Equatorial mounts. To be a Flat Earther in 2022 means you still don't understand how they work

[@Wolfie6020]

At this stage Flat Earth is so dead there is no point pulling punches. The Equatorial mount proves the Earth is a Globe. Any Flat Earther denying this proves they don't understand the geometry of how these mounts work. In six years of asking, not one Flat Earther can demonstrate the geometry of polar aligned single axis steady rate tracking on any Flat Earth Model. It doesn't work. It only works if the Earth is a Globe. Being a Flat Earther is effectively just a public admission that you fail at Geometry.

[@user-or1uz1dh8z]

It's just a compass! По-русски: это просто циркуль!

[@viktorj.w.garnus8369]

it's just a Grift. they really don't believe in it, but their patreon subs do, same thing with reptilian talk, the presenters don't really believe in that stuff.

[@dubaythecoward3650]

Flat earthers fail at a lot of things worse than geometry. Truthfulness, understanding scale, understanding perspective, self awareness, astronomy, geophysics, meteorology, navigation, surveying, physics, and, in some cases, just being a decent human being.

[@nineoclockhero]

@@dubaythecoward3650 But they do produce some great comedy. 😁

[@Wolfie6020]

@@nineoclockhero The irony is Flat Earthers have shown society more clearly why the Earth is a Globe. I understand more new ways to prove the Earth is not Flat now than I did before starting this in 2016.

[@iandobbin8068]

Coworker asked about my equatorial mount the other day, " how does it take account of daylight saving? " He's a manager. I just walked away before I lost my job. Great video 👍

[@mikefochtman7164]

Should have just told him you move it one time-zone west/east twice a year. lol

[@ReinoGoo]

”The globe is on sidereal time, all the year around.”

[@dietergerecke3575]

Inflation equals it out...

[@DrJohnners]

Their response to the EQ mount is "The earth is flat, it works so the earth is flat"

[@arctic_haze]

"No amount of your funny geometry and fake luminaries will convince me that black is black and white is white" - or something like that.

[@bigJovialJon]

NASA sends commands to all of the equatorial mounts to help them point at objects ;-)

[@absolutleyflatearthvodka5431]

It works also on Flat Mars!

[@studentjohn]

I actually quite like the flat earthers: By doing my own experiments to test their claims I've rekindled my interest in astronomy, time-lapse astrophotography, taken up satellite spotting, and landscape photography (of distant objects part obscured by the horizon, at various magnifications). I've also begun a night class in human psychology. Nothing they've claimed has held up, and I've watched the claims shift and morph over the last 7 years, but if not for them I'd have done none of the above, and it's been interesting and educational. Very much: Do your own research folks - not on youtube or blogs, but with your eyes, maybe some binoculars, actually out in the real world.

[@mojomusica]

+1 for this. I would imagine almost all of the debunkers and video makers would agree, flerfers just lead you to learning more about all sorts of branches of science. The flerfs, however, learn nothing, understand nothing and can't even agree amongst themselves what they all believe in. The fact that they are continually shifting the goalposts of their argument reveals all their failings and lies. Nobody from the debunkers has ever changed the facts and arguments we use, and nobody disagrees with them. Strange, that, isn't it?

[@thedave1771]

Flat earthers do their own research in the real world too! Just ask Bob “a 15° per hour drift” Knodel. Thanks Bob. Out of the mouths of morons…

[@equinoxshadow7190]

But their deliberate deception, intellectual dishonesty and straight up lies are ridiculous. Many of the KZbin cultist flerf leaders are also nasty and vile and profane. Since so many of them claim to be of ""a Christian"" faith, it is very hypocritical.

[@thedave1771]

@@equinoxshadow7190 yup. But even they can manage to do real observations, and when they do, even they can prove the globe earth. Thanks Bob.

[@jaymkay7211]

Absolutely. Stumbling onto this flat earth nonsense a few years ago rekindled my love of astronomy from my youth and have since upgraded my telescope twice.

[@MeAndTheBoys_]

Damn, i have to tip my hat to you, Wolfie sir. You have taken this flat earth non sense with enough seriousness, to have conducted many measurements, around this planet mind you, and you have conclusively destroyed the flat earth. There are no flat earthers, that will ever even dare to try to replicate these experiments themselves, because when they do, they will snap out of their illusion. Good job sir. Cheers from Finland 🤝👋

[@Wolfie6020]

Thank you. I am fortunate enough to have the opportunity to travel regularly and do these observations from around our Globe.

[@NFawc]

Being a flat earther means you wantonly ignore how most things work.

[@mrxmry3264]

... and lie about how things work. gotta lie to flerf.

[@jaykay9286]

Being a heliocentric cult member means you dont think for yourself

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@mrxmry3264 Being a GlobeHead means you “believe” that you’re pinned to the side of a pressurized, supersonic spinning water ball that’s in three elliptical orbits at ridiculous speeds and floating in an infinite vacuum. That makes you a science denying religious zealot who’s thrown away your physics books so that you can kneel down at the altar of Globe Earth Religion. And just so you know, most telescopes don’t have an Equatorial Mount, and they work just fine. Also, only idiots look up to measure the ground, and bigger idiots see things moving in the sky and then claim that they’re not moving but the ground they stand on is moving in 4 different directions at ridiculous speeds. Pshhhh, Globe Earth is a Religion Fool.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@mrxmry3264 got to lie to god pretend!

[@arctic_haze]

To be a flat earther in 2022 means you do not understand anything and also you badly want to be special, in any way.

[@Wolfie6020]

They are truly the stupidest people on Earth.

[@ThoughtandMemory]

@@Wolfie6020 and seemingly very proud of that fact.

[@enemyatthegate3394]

@@Wolfie6020 And in some cases, Daniel Pratt, a bit crazy.🤪

[@Graham_Langley]

To repeat David Baddiel's observation, a conspiracy theory is how idiots get to feel like intellectuals.

[@arctic_haze]

@@Graham_Langley A very good observation. Thanks for sharing!

[@randalscott7224]

The flat earth reminds me of the Dead Parrot sketch from Monty Python, desperately trying to maintain an illusion that it is still alive. Thank you Wolfie for your demonstrations of the fact we are living on a globe. Poor flerfs when they do try to "prove" the Earth is flat they only succeed in proving it is a sphere. Thanks Bob.

[@Wolfie6020]

I am literally laughing at the Flat Earthers commenting on this video. Each of them proving nicely that they have no clue how the EQ mount works.

[@judonomobic]

Love" the dead parrot sketch", it makes a great parody for their "black swan" as well.

[@TheDirge69]

He's not dead, he's just resting

[@honeychurchgipsy6]

@@TheDirge69 - Norwegian Blue likes kipping on its back.

[@Dan_C604]

Do you mean you actually travel to different locations, you actually make observations using a variety of modern tools, and you actually compare data and analyze results?? Geez, Wolfie! Flatties ranting from their cars and basements and drawing on a piece of cardboard aren’t feeling you right now…. So unfair!! 😂

[@Wolfie6020]

I have never seen a Flat Earther yet who understand how to use an EQ mount correctly. One of them told me the altitude adjustment was to "roll" the telescope.

[@Dan_C604]

@@Wolfie6020 LOL, flatties’ understanding level: Kindergarten 😃

[@enemyatthegate3394]

@@Wolfie6020 🤣 That’s almost as bad as the one who said it only works on the equator.🤣

[@ReinoGoo]

@Enemy at the gate The equator only works on the globe.

[@enemyatthegate3394]

@@ReinoGoo 🤣🤣🤣

[@grahvis]

Let us not forget Bob Knodel's explanation of the equatorial mount. Equatorial mounts work The Earth is flat Therefore equatorial mounts work on a flat earth.

[@Wolfie6020]

Jeran used to go nuts by email when I told him he doesn’t understand how the mount works. We stopped communicating long ago. He is just a scammer.

[@enemyatthegate3394]

@@Wolfie6020 Interesting!🤣

[@honeychurchgipsy6]

@grahvis - the wonders of circular reasoning and post hoc rationalisation. If we could only teach one thing about critical thinking in schools it should be the dangers of beginning with your answer and then retrofitting the evidence to that conclusion. Unfortunately, even to highly educated people, it's not obvious why this is so bad. I was never taught this even on my undergraduate degree - I had to learn this stuff in my 50's from KZbinrs like Matt Dillahunty.

[@grahvis]

@@honeychurchgipsy6 . I still remember the example of incorrect reasoning I learned at school in the 50s. Manx cats have no tails My cat has no tail Therefore my cat is a Manx cat. Other than flat earthers, there are examples of beliefs where the conclusions of well qualified scholars are automatically suspect since they have no alternative but to conclude their belief is true.

[@honeychurchgipsy6]

@@grahvis - we need to teach this stuff in school a lot more than we currently do. I am a researcher in the humanities - just beginning a PhD in British women novelists of the inter-war period - and I have been dismayed at the lack of critical thinking skills that I find in some books - although the newer/younger scholars are way better. One book by an Oxford professor (now retired) John Carey is so full of cherry picked data, post hoc reasoning and downright nonsense that I have refused to include it in my literature review.

[@mikep9604]

Kelsey's latest video about the flight from Buenos Aires to Perth has driven flat earthers crazy. It's funny how they are in damage control trying to use their old excuses why they think that it can't be done.

[@shegocrazy]

I get a t-shirt from NASA for my shill. Wolfie gets an equatorial mount.

[@Wolfie6020]

NASA is the best. They sent me shot glasses last week.

[@shegocrazy]

@@Wolfie6020 Now I'm triggered! lol ;)

[@dross4207]

@@shegocrazy But Wolfie had to go through years of “deceptive pilot training”, so he’s earned the extra shill benefits.

[@sthurston2]

Thanks Wolfie. . My attempt at giving an "in the garage" analogy of the EQ mount: Let us imagine a broom where the handle stays in the same orientation spinning so the head of the broom looks like a propeller spinning. Now add an angle bracket half way up the handle so we have a mounting point for the camera about a foot out from the broom handle. That mounting point is in now going in a circle. Orientating the broom etc so the mounting point circle is in a horizontal plane and the broom head is above, we then mount the camera. The camera is facing outwards and everything in the camera view is coming in from one side and streaming straight across and out the other side. Now we add a rotating pad between the camera and the mounting point. The pad is rotating at exactly the same rate as the handle. Now the view in the camera is pretty stable. There is just the slight parallax shift from the change in location of the camera, and the handle goes across the view once every rotation. . The broom is the earth. The mounting point is the polar aligned EQ mount. The stuff going across the view are the stars that are overhead at the Equator. The broom handle going across the view is the Earth getting in the way. Only one motion needs to be compensated for - the spin of the Earth relative to the object. . On a flat motionless plain the stars are the stuff moving and they are close. Because the distance to a star is changing by a large percentage of that distance the star's apparent height is changing as well as its direction from the camera. So on a flat Earth to track a star you need to compensate for two motions, the rotation of the stars, and their apparent change in height over time.

[@coriscotupi]

You lost the flerfers when you mentioned "geometry".

[@Wolfie6020]

As soon as I realised their weakness is Math and Geometry I deliberately began to target it.

[@mrxmry3264]

@@Wolfie6020 checkmate, flattards!

[@adamstrange7884]

He list the flerfs at eq mount!

[@EllipticGeometry]

It’s funny because a flat Earth is a geometrical proposition.

[@BravoCheesecake]

Always wondered what the FE response is to why we see the moon flipped in the Southern hemisphere. I find that to be the simplest demonstration.

[@donniev8181]

Or how the sun rises in the east and sets in the west for absolutely everyone.

[@david_akerman]

"To be a flat earther in 2022 means you still don't know how they work". Just see my2cents below for a prime example.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

It's Gary Wybenga, no surprise there.

[@david_akerman]

@@Alysm-Aviation Poor Gary. So much confusion.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

There's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, and we're wearing sunglasses.

[@Wolfie6020]

Still one of my favourite movies. I remember being on Pilot's course in the RAAF in 1983 and watching the movie every night with my class mates.

[@MaxCruise73]

@Mandelbrot Set, "Hit it!"

[@skesinis]

How many police cars did they destroy in that car chase!! 😂😎

[@MaxCruise73]

@@skesinis From a couple of articles. "The Blues Brothers (1980): 104 cars destroyed. On” a mission from God,” Jake and Elwood Blues manage to avoid law enforcement and neo-Nazis alike in and around Chicago, with the ensuing carnage including 60 police cars. The Bluesmobile they drove survived until the final reel, when it collapsed into a heap of parts in front of City Hall." AND "The great car chase in “The Blues Brothers” involved 40 stunt drivers and 13 Bluesmobiles and dozens of Chicago area locations. Editor’s note: The story was originally published on June 23, 2005, as part of a weeklong series to commemorate the 25th anniversary of “The Blues Brothers." AND "The film used 13 different cars bought at auction from the California Highway Patrol to depict the Bluesmobile, a retired 1974 Mount Prospect, Illinois Dodge Monaco patrol car. The vehicles were outfitted by the studio to do particular driving chores; some customized for speed and others for jumps, depending on the scene. For the large car chases, filmmakers purchased 60 police cars at $400 each, and most were destroyed at the completion of the filming.[16] More than 40 stunt drivers were hired and the crew kept a 24-hour body shop to repair cars.[16] For the scene when the Blues Brothers finally arrive at the Richard J. Daley Center, a mechanic took several months to rig the car to fall apart.[16] The statues, seeming to be looking on with concern when the car disassembles, actually exist at the Cook County Building. At the time of the film's release, it held the world record for the most cars destroyed in one film until it was surpassed by its own sequel." More trivia on this website. www.shortlist.com/news/15-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-the-blues-brothers I have no association with the site nor the host. Enjoy.

[@skesinis]

@@MaxCruise73 Thanks!! Have a great day!! :)

[@viktorj.w.garnus8369]

have no clue how these devices work, but definitely wouldn't mind getting one some day.... hopefully in a few years

[@Wolfie6020]

The axis that rotates is aligned to the rotational axis of the Earth. It then moves at a steady rate opposite to the rotation of the Earth. That way it will keep any star you point to nicely centered in the picture. Polar alignment means adjusting the RA axis so that it is precisely aligned with the axis the Earth rotates on.

[@mrxmry3264]

@@Wolfie6020 "That way it will keep any star you point to nicely centered in the picture." if the polar axis of the mount and the rotational axis of the earth are perfectly parallel. however, if there is a slight angle between those axes, the star will drift.

[@fepeerreview3150]

@@mrxmry3264 The precision with which the quality models are made is quite astonishing.

[@donniev8181]

@@Wolfie6020 I like when you program your telescope to point at the North Star while you're in Australia and your telescope ends up pointing to the ground, that says everything lol.

[@skesinis]

My telescope would break if I’d try to do that! 😂 It has an Alt-Az mount, which can’t go lower than 5~10 degrees below horizon, because the telescope’s tube would hit the mount…

[@ReValveiT_01]

A single axis of movement from the mount means that all celestial objects on a flat earth are moving in a straight line. Sadly for flerfs, their 'model' requires that they are all circling overhead. That's game over.

[@my2cents75]

They are all circling

[@david_akerman]

They've not noticed that those circling celestial objects would appear to follow ovals and not circles, except for viewers at the North Pole. They are truly geometrically blind.

[@my2cents75]

@@david_akerman And yet glowbeez are always showing startrails that look like straight up and down ferris wheels

[@osci08]

@@my2cents75 "They are all circling" Around two points in the sky, One around the SCP and the other around the NCP.

[@david_akerman]

@@my2cents75 So you've noticed that startrails are circular. Well done. Now you have to figure out what a circle appears like when viewed off-axis.

[@fhmconsulting4982]

I hope you are wearing your NASA issued lunar thermal jacket to protect yourself from all that cold moonlight.

[@Wolfie6020]

NASA socks too. 👍

[@Katy_Jones]

Have they tried the you can't use an EQ mount with an adjecent curve line yet?

[@robertlafleur5179]

Shhhhh!

[@John.0z]

Katy, what is so funny about this particular bit of nonsense is the presence of a flat surface sitting underneath Wolfie's tripod - the truck bed. How dumb does a flat earher have to be to not understand that a local flat area is an example of a reference plane tangential to the very large circle that is the earth's surface (in 2D)? That reference plane is all a sextant requires.

[@enemyatthegate3394]

I once had an argument with a flerf about telescopes. He was claiming all telescopes are programmed by NASA. I explained that my EQ mount was totally manual with no electronics at all, and there are many that are. He called me a liar.🤣🤣🤣

[@my2cents75]

Some are electronic

[@enemyatthegate3394]

@@my2cents75 I know. I have both.

[@scott_meyer]

@@my2cents75 Some have a souther hemisphere mode so they rotate the other direction.

[@my2cents75]

@@scott_meyer I'm at 40° N. What would I use to track Orion which is south from me? What about if I want to track the big dipper which is North of me?

[@Wolfie6020]

They resort to calling you a liar when they have lost the argument. I consider it a win every time a Flat Earther calls me a liar. It means they have nothing else.

[@TheKitsuneCavalier]

"Hit it!"--Jake Blues

[@The_Reality_Filter]

The Flat Earth psy-op died a death years ago, not sure why you're still giving them the time of day. The few that are left probably enjoy the fact you're still giving them attention.

[@Wolfie6020]

I just like twisting the knife. It gives me an excuse to buy more telescopes.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

@@Wolfie6020 at this point you're twisting the knife in to a rotten corpse but don't ever stop uploading videos from your office as it's quite the view you've got there. :)

[@John.0z]

@@The_Reality_Filter The other reason is to provide plenty of information for those who might have heard a slick presentation on the flat earth, and not recognise it for the deceptive mix of snake oil and omissions that it was. Having all these videos out on KZbin can help to keep them from falling for the simplistic explanations - like "it's flat". You may have seen that the young woman who starred in "Stranger Things" fell for one of those claims, and put a video of herself claiming the earth was flat on KZbin. It was very sad to see someone so young misled into making a bit of a fool of herself. We all hope someone gently led her to a better understanding of the world. :-)

[@The_Reality_Filter]

@@John.0z well then that young lady was failed by her school and possibly her parents. As an actress you'd think she would've had a good education. There's a live feed from the ISS showing very clearly the shape of our planet. The fact that the FE thing gained traction in the first place is a sure sign there was a lot of money behind it.

[@John.0z]

@@The_Reality_Filter I agree. As a person who was involved in computer training, I retain a strong sense of disgust for poor teachers. How her parents could also let her down is quite different. I don't think I want to know much about them! What else did they fail at as parents?

[@vimalramachandran]

Their explanation (read ad hoc excuse) is 'personal atmospheric dome'. Every observer carries a personal dome over his head created by perspective. Inside this dome the equatorial mount tracks stars just like on a globe!

[@my2cents75]

Perspective is always unique to each observer based on the eyes GP

[@Wolfie6020]

@@my2cents75 So model it to scale Gary. We can show every aspect of the EQ mount accurately with a Globe model. No excuses needed. We did it years ago. When will we see your model and not just more excuses?

[@my2cents75]

@@Wolfie6020 Except you have to adjust your tracking rates at the horizon because it doesn't track correctly like you claim

[@Otherj3839]

@@my2cents75 And that's been explained several times, but you're too ignorant to understand it. Besides, EQ mounts wouldn't work at all on flat Earth.

[@fromagefrizzbizz9377]

@@my2cents75 The mount continues pointing at exactly where the object is when it rises and sets, but right at the horizon refraction will lift the object slightly upwards.

[@skesinis]

Flerfs wouldn’t even begin to understand the argument of why the EQ mount moving in just one axis everywhere on Earth, destroys completely their la la land! 😂 Question: Did the back of the truck help absorbing any vibrations of the floor, or did it make it worse? I saw that the focal length of the scope wasn’t very long, so maybe it wouldn’t matter that much. I went to great lengths in DIY, trying to absorb the vibrations of my my telescope‘s tripod. Its focal length is 1500mm and when you add a 2x Barlow or more for a planet, the slightest vibration would be greatly exaggerated. I was really surprised when I managed to substantially reduce them using something rather simple (after quite a few iterations of the solution). I’ve added 2 rubber rings internally on each of the tripod’s tubes spaced at about 4~5cm, and then I screwed on them 3 angle adjustable pads that you’d normally use for a chair or a table. The absorption of the vibrations was remarkable compared to the original plastic tips of the tripod itself! Also, the metallic finish of the top of the pads made them look as if they were part of the tripod itself, and not something that was added afterwards!

[@Wolfie6020]

I think it was a little better than putting it on the ground beside the truck. I could feel the ground move as a car went by but it didn’t seem to affect the scope. However it was very sensitive to me leaning on the truck in any way. Even just touching the laptop to type something. The scope here is only 267 mm focal length ( with the flattener ) so it is not really a big problem. When at home and guiding the guide graph will show adjustments when my daughter jumps in the next room Even though we can’t feel anything. During calibration I ask her to not move. She wriggles like the few minutes are an eternity.

[@ReinoGoo]

@Wolfie6020 You could try to make a platform, with parallel blades preventing horizontal rotation of the mount, but allowing up and down movement of the ground (or your house).

[@ReinoGoo]

@Wolfie6020 Some rollers could allow movement of the ground to the side.

[@skesinis]

@@Wolfie6020 I agree, 267mm focal length is a lot forgiving in vibrations. Also using a guide scope would still show adjustments for any kind of vibrations, even though I don't think that the mount motors could keep up with the corrections. I guess that, since the guide scope itself would be shaking along with the imaging scope, being sensitive to the pixel on the tracking star, it'd send corrections for any kind of vibrations that would send off that star even by a pixel. Your daughter is very lucky to have the ability to observe the universe from such a young age! I wish I had a telescope even when I was a teenager! (I've got my first 5" Cassegrain about 9 years ago but I've been doing mini DIY projects with it ever since, like a focuser with an Arduino controlled stepper motor, a WiFi controller with an ESP32 etc).

[@John.0z]

Look at that "upside down" moon - relative to when is seen with the naked eye from Australia. Note my photo of the moon as reduced for my icon. That is exactly as expected on a globe earth. How does that work on the flat earth????

[@skesinis]

Flerfs will say it works because of personal domes, because of the bosoms of the deep, or some other nonsense… 😂 😂 😂

[@John.0z]

@@skesinis Did you see Rachie trying to "explain it? She got so close... if only she realised that her little dance only applies when the observer she portrayed was near the equator!

[@skesinis]

@@John.0z I didn't see it (or I don't remember seeing it), but I can imagine what she'd try to do, if it would only work near the equator... Geometry isn't the strong point of flat earthers to put it politely... :) Rachie could possibly get it one day, but it looks like she put her faith for things she was struggling to understand in con men, instead of trying to really understand them. I don't think that she's trolling like many others do for money, but if she is, she's very good...

[@donniev8181]

Thank you for your videos Wolfie, I send every flerther I run across to your channel.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Donnie.

[@Wolfie6020]

My response to Sleepy on Brian's channel which disappeared ten minutes later. Posting it here if he wishes to continue. @Sleeping Warrior So after I stopped laughing I just feel sorry for you. Wrong again, Mathematically it correlates to time zones. Specifically being late in Los Angeles UTC-7 while morning for you. Did you check? Do you know how to? I don't lose sleep for Flat Earthers. Do you believe you are worth staying up for? I don't. Why are you now desperate to take the conversation away from Coriolis and your example? We can move forward on that topic when you answer the questions correctly. You botched them the first time. Try again. If you wish to continue on air safety I will happily corner you on this topic also. You watch air crash investigation videos? Are you a qualified air crash investigator? I am. Are you a court recognised expert on aviation safety? I am. You are neither mate. You are a taxi driver who botched simple questions on the lift equation and then ran away. The equivalent of dropping out of flight school on your first day. My Math comment was to Q-Branch, he understands Math. You don't. Calling it Maffs just shows me that you regress to a child state when stressed. What is next? Moggle? You just proved my point anyway. Aircraft can crash for hundreds of reasons. Fuel starvation being just one. However the underlying cause of fuel starvation is often a failure to apply Math correctly at the planning or refuelling stage or during flight. In many cases correctly applying Math would have prevented the situation. Aircraft glide perfectly well and correct timely application of Math to determine gliding range and endurance can save the aircraft from a crash. i.e. The Gimli Glider. I told you I would be back to check your progress. You didn't answer the question on the wind triangle. Is it too hard for you? You totally botched the question on climb gradients. You answered 100 mph to a question requiring an answer in lbs. You don't even understand the question. Sleepy said "You would MEASURE it Wolfie." Incorrect answer. That won't give you the safe take off weight. But I will humour you to watch you fail again. Assume we weigh the aircraft as you suggested and get 48,500lbs. Can the aircraft take off and meet FAR 25 obstacle clearance requirements? Yes or No? If No, what weight will allow this? You can use the simplified data I provided but no math. if you can't do it, go home kid because you lose again. You did twist my words. I said "The application of Math correctly in aviation is literally a matter of life or death" You said "You claimed applied maths is what saves your planes from crashing" Are those words the same? Yes or No? In some cases applied math can save a plane from crashing. Like when gliding after an engine failure. Do you think we just point the plane and hope for the best? If my glide ratio is 15 to 1 and I am at 45,000 ft what is my gliding range in nautical miles? Subtract 5 NM for the circuit from high key. What is the maximum distance to look for a suitable airport? Do it without using any Math. (Q Branch could do that easily using Math) If my optimum glide speed is 200 Knots minus 1 knot per 500 lbs below Max Take off weight how do I determine best range glide speed at my current weight? No Math. Good luck.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Make a short video with this wolfie, just to give it maximal exposure.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@Alysm-Aviation Good idea. I am still in Los Angeles but will be home in a couple of days with plenty of free time as the family are in New Zealand. I hope to put out a few videos during that time.

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch Yes a perfect example. Looks like Sleepy is afraid to show his face here. He was totally cornered on Coriolis after conceding aircraft can follow a path on a rotating Earth by making corrections. Nathan is as bad as the rest of them when it comes to Math, he clearly has no idea.

[@tjjones621]

"What is the maximum distance to look for a suitable airport?" See... it all comes full circle to the map they use for all their data. :)

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch They are all simpletons. The more they speak the more it becomes obvious to everyone. Three days later no sign of Sleepy. He knows he is cornered on Coriolis and Nathan is in panicked damage control.

[@jeanbonnefoy1377]

But it's like the proof of the cake: even if flatearthers don't understand geometry or are unable to grasp 3d, the simple fact that it works perfectly and has proved being operative and having a precise predictive value (back and forth both in space and time) is proof enough...

[@misterocain]

You cannot see a single star? Have you tried looking through the Moon?

[@mikefochtman7164]

I always associated 'haze' with high humidity. But in Dubai? Maybe it's just a lot of dust in the air reflecting all that light pollution.

[@Otherj3839]

Flat Earthers will always fail at figuring out how to make an EQ mount work on flat Earth, and will usually fail at understanding how they work on the globe.

[@Wolfie6020]

So true. When you hear them talk about the EQ mount it is obvious they have never used one. One Flat Earther has one and told me the altitude adjustment on the EQ mount was to "roll" the telescope. He had no idea how to use it.

[@JohnMichaelson]

So at this point is it still a fun novelty seeing inverted constellations when you're in the northern hemisphere or have you been at it long enough now that you're "ambidextrous" as it were 😁

[@Wolfie6020]

They look the same no matter were I am now as I have the camera polar aligned. Kind of cool as the scope passes the horizon seeing it tilted matching Latitude.

[@ReinoGoo]

@Wolfie6020 Seeing the horizon pass in front of the moon on different latitudes would be the money shot and the big undead flat earth killer.

[@Richardj410]

Yes, I went round and round with a flatearther about this mount and he just kept saying "it has a motor to track". I kept at him about setting it up and he just walked away.

[@Wolfie6020]

They have no clue how the geometry works. The the more I engage with them the more I am convinced they suffer from a disability that prevents them from understanding this. Look at the history of many of them. School dropouts because they were failing.

[@Richardj410]

@@Wolfie6020 I do feel it's a lack of education.

[@John.0z]

@@Richardj410 Yes Richard, but why did they not take in the education that was presented to them? From my uni work, we all have a different mix of mental capabilities. But what is clear is that many of those who cannot visualise the globe earth have a particular mental disability - and their education did not take that into account. This is a huge subject, called neuroplasticity. It is closely related to how we learn normally. But if there is a weakness, intense mental exercise in the weak area can do wonders to help. So far, because that sort of remedial exercise is intensive, it is also expensive, and so only rarely applied.

[@Richardj410]

@@John.0z I'm 73 and continue to learn everyday I take on new subjects all the time. Somethings are hard. Many flatearthers refuse to even look at the globe earth model. That is what I don't understand. Wanting not learn but saying na-na doesn't help the game.

[@John.0z]

@@Richardj410 I'm 71, and I agree with you. I have wanted to keep learning all my life. I do find the information does not stay with me easily like it used to. 😞 I often have to work harder at it. I hope my explanation was adequate?

[@crowxe]

Flat earthers still argue because the forgot when you challenged them for an equatorial mount physical model. all they can do is blab nonsense but zero demonstration.

[@Wolfie6020]

I agree. Their nonsense just proves they still have no idea how these mounts work

[@absolutleyflatearthvodka5431]

Also there are many in the flat Earth community who try to hide the truth about flat Mars by calling it just a light. What are they hiding?

[@crowxe]

@@absolutleyflatearthvodka5431 flat Mars? Like the flat moon?

[@absolutleyflatearthvodka5431]

@@crowxe The moon is a secondary reflection off the dome ceiling.

[@crowxe]

​@@absolutleyflatearthvodka5431 LOL , that's a good one :)

[@IonianGarden]

Looking good Vern.

[@Wolfie6020]

I was recording the video and could not believe how perfect his timing was.

[@eamonnsiocain6454]

“It’s dark and I’m wearing sunglasses.” Well, when you’re in LA you gotta look ‘cool.’ Stay well, Wolfe, and keep up the good work.

[@john.brown.]

Being a flat earther means you dont understand pretty much anything.

[@VinnyTVAdventures]

Thanks for the great work man cheers from the netherlands! 👍👍

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks. It is nice to have the annual training out of the way and a week to relax in LA

[@VinnyTVAdventures]

@@Wolfie6020 enjoy it mate!

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Wolfie6020 L.A. is a terrible place for astronomy, though. It is hard to see any stars.

[@OGKenG]

Not just haze in Los Angeles, but light pollution.

[@fromnorway643]

Making it hard to see any stars even if the sky was clear, effectively disproving the Moon landing deniers' claim that the black lunar sky should have been full of stars even in broad daylight.

[@Wolfie6020]

There is quite a lot here for sure.

[@bigJovialJon]

Yeah, but since you're using an equatorial mount, you're not making a NATURAL measurement, so you're not making a scientific measurement. Ergo: you're gonna need R for that, and the Earth is flat. ;-)

[@DelBoy1967]

I must have missed this video whilst off grid camping. Still no physical model of the EQ mount working on a flat earth, no surprises there.

[@Wolfie6020]

Would be nice to go off grid for a while. My phone never stops. I bet your GPS still worked. :-)

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Nice, I just spent a week camping as well, sadly still within mobile range, so I got calls left and right.

[@DelBoy1967]

@@Wolfie6020 Yes the GPS worked flawlessly outside of mobile range.

[@DelBoy1967]

@@Alysm-Aviation _"I got calls left and right"_ A week off grid the phone goes ballistic receiving missed calls/text/emails. I don't look forward to that part.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@DelBoy1967 yeah, can't get away now as much as I used to, but when I get the chance I enjoy dropping off the grid for a week or more. Before covid I spent a month in the Bush with a friend, it was great.

[@earthrise3672]

Doesn't every single thing we see end flat Earth, except in the imagination of people living on fantasy land? A sunset is game over for flat Earth. Everything else is just pile on extras 😉

[@my2cents75]

Sunsets are just simple ordinary everyday perspective

[@Wolfie6020]

Gary doesn't understand how perspective works.

[@my2cents75]

@@Wolfie6020 but I do

[@david_akerman]

@@Wolfie6020 Dyscalculia in action.

[@fromagefrizzbizz9377]

@@my2cents75 Clearly not.

[@chrisdurhammusicchannel]

Wolfie, you always say, "Game Over!" to the Flerfs, but they're not playing the same game! Their game is to say something idiotic, and then when you explain why they're wrong, they put their fingers in their ears and sing, "I've got a loverly bunch of coconuts, fa la la, Hi ho the Dario, and that's what it's all about!" Yeah, they never even listened to a whole song, either!

[@0LoneTech]

The Swedish version of that coconut song isn't lewd, but quite hilarious.

[@notahotshot]

Since you're traveling around, and using your telescope anyways, when you're in the northern hemisphere could you do some observations of Polaris, in particular record it's elevation above horizontal as it correlates to latitude, and plot the orthographic view for both a flat earth and a spheroid earth? I've diagrammed it before, but am not into making KZbin videos. It's a simple proof that shows the earth can't be flat, because if it were Polaris would have to be simultaneously at all possible distances from the surface of the earth, including touching it.

[@mikefochtman7164]

I've suggested similar. Try and get three flerfs at different latitudes to make observations of Polaris at the exact same time (preferably with nearly the same longitude). The three sightings just will NOT agree if using a flat earth.

[@notahotshot]

@@mikefochtman7164, yeah, I've suggested it to flerfs, thier response, "perspective".

[@my2cents75]

@@mikefochtman7164 why would you expect them to? They are perspective angles

[@notahotshot]

@@mikefochtman7164, lol, see what I mean, they try to dismiss physical reality with "perspective".

[@notahotshot]

@@my2cents75, when they say "they will NOT agree" they mean the distance from the surface Polaris has to be would be different from different observation points. Since it cannot be in multiple locations simultaneously, and certainly not at every possible distance all at the same time, the earth cannot be flat. I know you can't comprehend that, and wouldn't even with a scale model, so don't let it worry you.

[@notahotshot]

"Clearly what the equatorial mount proves is that an equatorial mount works on a flat earth." ~ flat earther, probably

[@my2cents75]

They don't work on a globe either unless you slow the tracking rate near the horizon

[@notahotshot]

@@my2cents75, so you're saying they work on a globe, but only if you know how to use them?

[@bigJovialJon]

Obviously, NASA sends them commands to make them track objects going across the dome. ;-)

[@meloney]

@@my2cents75 you sir, have never tried to use one or actually used one, or you'd wouldn't say such bs. Lol.

[@my2cents75]

@@meloney Even Wolfie and Bob the science guy have have a video where they tell you that the eq mount doesn't track accurately near the horizon

[@viktorj.w.garnus8369]

nice piece of equipment... 👀

[@yellowlynx]

Wolfie6060, there is a kind of harmonic drive mount that is lightweight and high payload, and the price is reasonable. This could be your next toy.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

Flat Earthers keeping talking about ancient texts, CGI, and 'I don't feel like I'm spinning!' All they have to do is grab an EQ mount and discover why we live on a globe. But they won't do that. For $200 they could prove to themselves we don't live on a pizza surrounded by an ice wall, but they won't do it as it crashes a key part of their personality.

[@mikefochtman7164]

Your forgot some of their other favorites like, "looks flat to me' and 'winds of over thousand miles per hour would blow us off the planet'. lol

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

Business trips are such a slog.

[@merrillhess5626]

After explaingin EQ mounts, I've issued the following challenge to flat earthers. Choose a celestial object that is visible from both hemispheres (half-sphere, proof of a globe but FEs ignore that). Antares is a good choice. Then on your flat earth, choose 4 widely spaced latitudes on each side of the equator. Demonstrate how it is possible on a flate earth to set up the EQ mount correctly to align with the earth's axis at each of those locations. Then demonstrate how the EQ functions of the mount would accurately track that object through the niight at each of those flat earth locations. That means by turning only the RA (polar) axis of the mount. For that matter, choose ANY location on the flat earth and show how it would work properly. So far, no FE has even attempted the exercise. A few have made feable attempts to explain the functions away but all have failed to include one or more important elements in its design, set up, and functions. Instead, they all regurgitated the same failed flat earth claims that demonstrate they have no clue how the mounts work, they do not understand celestial mechanics, they cannot think in 3 dimensions in time, or a combination of those failures. Of course, none of them can offer any hard physical evidence of their claims, only unsubstantiated rhetoric and baseless conjectures, while playing the pigeon chess and projecting that those are the tactics that we "globies" use. Flat earthers cannot stand anyone who demands that they prove their points with hard scientific evidence and who will not tolerate any of their feable resistance. They avoid challenges while bloviating boastful empty rhetoric but wind up acting like scared barking Chihuahuas.

[@ReinoGoo]

Why there is no flat earth navigation: You need a plane for that.

[@NickOz]

@wolfie6020 - I love your stuff. I did a video of Jupiter on my channel taken with an EQ mount VS Alt-Az mount. Alt-Az mount shows Jupiter rotating in two directions proving earth's rotation. I'm trying to get someone in Auz and someone in S.Africa to do a simultaneous recording of Sigma Octo / Crux to prove that it only works on a globe while looking due south. Got any pals in S.Africa???

[@requiem4adream87]

So 2022 is the year of the Equatorial Mount for the globe then?:P

[@johnwellbelove148]

Flat Earthers have had "Year of the Sextant" so it must be time for them to claim "Year of the Equatorial Mount".

[@TreeHaven869]

Beautiful work Wolfie! Jealous as all hell of your gear and your locations! 😄

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks. The travel is great but after a few weeks I just want to go home. A few more days and I'll be there.

[@TreeHaven869]

@@Wolfie6020 Whereabouts roughly is home? We’re a bit over 70km north of Melbourne so we get a great view of the flight paths coming and going from Tullamarine. My late father-in-law was a pilot for TAA, Singapore & Thai airlines. He had to give it away just as all the computing aspects came in. He would’ve loved your videos!

[@Wolfie6020]

@@TreeHaven869 In Sydney, I have family to the South but live North of the Bridge. I have a lot of respect for pilots of that era. We have it so easy now by comparison.

[@astroinfinland6680]

I have a question relating to the mount. I'm planning on buying it for my travel rig, and I'm wondering that how much backlash does it have and have you fine tuned it? I've heard that it has a lot. Clear skies and thanks in advance! :)

[@sophierobinson2738]

Partial “Blues Brothers” quote!

[@Justwantahover]

Hey Wolfie! Since you have the scope, can you do a Venus flerth destruction vidoe for me? When Venus is on the nearside of the sun it is larger and has a thin crescent phase. And when Venus is on the farside of the sun it is way smaller and has a near full phase. This destroys their "no space" nonsense cos Venus proves the depth of space and anyone can see this with a small telescope. Film the telescope on Venus a few months apart when Venus is near each side of the sun. Maybe do a video of the Southen Cross as well. It debunks the pancake fantasy! And Saturn's rings change apparent shape over a few months. Jupiter's moons changing positions over night. Film in stages overnight showing the times etc. Space debunks their nonsense about it "not existing" just with that pissy little telescope (well compared to the ELT and the LMT it is ).

[@heyarno]

Nice capture, considering the conditions didn't make it easy.

[@mymumbakescakes]

And I bet Gary will get it all wrong again.

[@ReValveiT_01]

Sure enough...

[@primonomeultimonome]

@@ReValveiT_01 He did.

[@Otherj3839]

At least there are a few things in life that are predictable.

[@IncredibleTOPCast]

But that's just it...Flatardians live in a 2D world 🤣😂🤣😂 So much for the moon being just a "spotlight".

[@heatshield]

🌃😎

[@nineoclockhero]

😎

[@adamstrange7884]

Flerfs be STOOPID YO!🙃🙃🙃

[@gowdsake7103]

Flatzoid does ! he says it works because Bob Knodel says it does thats exactly what Sleepy said as well. But they are both deluded

[@Wolfie6020]

Easy to say it works but when you ask them to demonstrate it with a Flat Earth model they run.

[@gowdsake7103]

@@Wolfie6020 I tried for a few weeks with both of them they totally refused to explain how it could work on flattardia, other than Bob says it does

[@tjjones621]

Funniest part... all of them use the exact same map of the globe Earth to drive around. :)

[@rodman2277]

love the equipment

[@chrisconnors7418]

If you ever need a body guard to fly with you all over the world, let me know. I would work for free airplane flights and a chance to see stars from the Southern Hemisphere. :)

[@xXFe_LixXx]

What tricked me for some moments was, that the moon is orbiting the earth (so it's not fixed regarding the "star-background") and i couldn't explain myself, why you could track the moon's position this accuratly. But as the moon's orbit takes about 27 d, the effect of the "drifting" moon (with respect to the stars) might be negligible within your observation period. - If I thought rubbish, you might correct me. :3 Have a nice day.

[@scott_meyer]

Modern electronic EQ mounts have a lunar tracking mode.

[@xXFe_LixXx]

@@scott_meyer thank you (:

[@scott_meyer]

@@xXFe_LixXx The Moon travels east against the sky about one half a degree per hour.

[@xXFe_LixXx]

@@scott_meyer Great, thanks for sharing. Confirms "my calculation". :3

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes I had the mount in Lunar tracking rate here. Slightly different to sidereal rate.

[@lolitaras22]

They still don't understand "STAY IN SCHOOL".

[@frogsinpants]

But have you used an equatorial mount in the front and back hemispheres?

[@ReinoGoo]

Australia would be back, and Texas front.

[@caseyjones4611]

If you took a laser and leveled it with the horizon would it move parallel to the curve of the earth or would it move tangentially to the curve?

[@BravoCheesecake]

What do you think?

[@caseyjones4611]

@@BravoCheesecake I don't know.

[@barryon8706]

Neither one, most likely. It would typically bend downward because of refraction, but not nearly enough to follow the earth's curve.

[@John.0z]

@@caseyjones4611 I assume you are asking seriously, and so I will do my best to answer... although I have to observe that you have asked a question with a misunderstanding in it. Initially, if the laser housing is correctly aligned to answer your question, it is forming a tangent to the curve of the earth at the point that tangent contacts to earth, or a mounting point vertically above that point. That is, it is mounted at a right angle to a line drawn through that point to the centre of the earth. BUT... a laser may be coherent light, but it is just light. So it is just as subject to refraction by the earth's atmosphere as any other light, in accord with it's wavelength, and the various layers of different density air it passes through. In that, the time of day used for an observation matters a lot due to heating and cooling of the air, particularly close to the earth's surface. However, contrary to the wording of your question, that perpendicular mount alignment is not aimed at the horizon either. As the visible horizon is far enough away to be below any mount location, at any altitude above sea level, and, as above, refraction plays a part in where the horizon appears to be. If the mount is close to sea level, the refraction is only made worse. If the laser is mounted at a higher altitude, the refection is usually less, but the horizon is more noticeably below that line of tangent. This curving of the laser light due to refraction, variable as it is, is still not the same as "curving with the slow curve of the earth's surface" either. That would demand extraordinary vertical air density gradients. The air constantly changes those vertical densities, as can be seen in Isobaric weather charts. So in summary - over a distance, the light of the laser will be observed to do neither. It does not maintain a straight line tangent over any reasonable distance, and that vertical curvature is in a way that departs from the curving mean surface of the earth. If you want to put numbers to the curve of the earth's surface, and all of these refraction effects, I suggest you visit Walter Bislin's excellent web site. And I suggest that you do so. I hope that helps you. 🙂

[@caseyjones4611]

@@John.0z Great answer! Not to pester you but do you have an answer for the behaviour of sunlight under a total solar eclipse?

[@AlexDun123]

yup sounds like LA...

[@Kolopsych]

The new sextant of 2022?

[@MisterItchy]

But gas pressure has to have a container!

[@enemyatthegate3394]

Hi Wolfie. There’s some guy named Jason Mathers claiming you blocked him. I don’t believe him. As far as I know you don’t block people. If you did, what did he do, if you don’t mind me asking?

[@Wolfie6020]

Hi, I do have him blocked and it was for repeatedly lying. He had claimed he was buying a telescope to do my Satellite Eclipse challenge and then kept telling more lies to cover why he could not do it. He was originally posting using the account Navigate48 and after being blocked he came back as Jason. When I was advised it was the same person I blocked that account. I told him repeatedly that I would happily unblock him when I see the videos he promised on his channel. If you are conversing with him remind him that when he posts the video of the satellites eclipsing I will unblock him. He will give you some nonsense about his laptop exploding. If you want to see the full thread it is the pinned comment on this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3aqp4WrisprqLc

[@Alysm-Aviation]

so many things wrong with lil old Fail to navigate. he at one point claimed he had "true vison"... not to mention that he came to my channel, begging that I ask wolfie to unblock him. I offered him a deal, that if he provided me with the funcional FE based distance calculation that he claimed to have, I would contact wolfie. He accepted the deal and then broke it, while claiming that I broke it... He is a liar through and through.

[@warrickdawes7900]

Yes Wolfie, but do you have a full tank of gas and half a pack of cigarettes?

[@Forest_Fifer]

It's easy 1. The earth is flat 2. Equatorial mounts work 3 therefore EQ mounts work on a flat earth.... /S

[@Wolfie6020]

Some Flat Earth's actually say that.

[@tjjones621]

I like that reasoning... let me try... 1. The Earth is flat. 2. All flatearthers use the exact same map of the globe Earth for directions. 3. Therefore... COMEDY GOLD!

[@mo-215]

What is an equatorial mount? Genuinely asking. Great video.

[@tubedude54]

It's a telescope mount that has a rotational axis you can set up perfectly parallel to the rotational axis of the earth which allows you to then track a celestial object in the sky with one movement either by hand moving the telescope or using a motor drive. Put a second axis perfectly at 90° to the polar axis and you can point the telescope anywhere in the visible sky and track an object with only turning the scope on the polar axis.

[@Wolfie6020]

Rat explained it perfectly. It is a mount for a telescope designed to compensate for the rotation of the Earth. By doing so any star you locate in the telescope will remain fixed in view. They have three rates of movement typically. Sidereal for tracking stars. Solar for tracking the Sun (precisely 15 degrees per hour) and Lunar for observing the Moon.

[@lecroustillant8709]

Wolfie, for info, Nathan has posted a comment on his own channel saying he wants to contact your employer to get you sacked. That's how delusional, he is. I have the screenshot at your disposal if you wish. It is under the video called "Ground Control To ...."

[@Wolfie6020]

If he wants to negotiate a release from the 3 year contract I signed in exchange for a 7500 type rating he can by my guest. My wife would be happy as we could then move to New Zealand sooner. Casual pilots are in high demand now in the corporate industry so I could freelance. (Unable to do that at the moment due to my contract which expires in two years)

[@lecroustillant8709]

@@Wolfie6020 i've never been worried for you. It was to show how desperate they have become.

[@paulpurdue5963]

No matter where you are on the Earth, you're Earth Centered Earth Fixed.

[@wcs3980]

Hey Wolfie aren’t all navigation maps 2d flat maps and they work perfectly all over the regardless of how far you fly, even flying through 1 to the next and the next chart? Isn’t it true that a map that works is reality? On your Garmin display is it 2 D that corresponds correctly to the flat 2d paper map , and the Garmin does not use representations and calculations as shown on google earth? If it works it’s right and flat sectional charts work all the time and no the charts aren’t really using distances of the great arc behind the scenes because smaller distances work without error as well as extremely long distances of 1000s of miles. The map and Garmin prove that it’s not a globe earth. Address these claims specifically

[@jagheterbanan]

Lol “tell everyone you don’t know anything about maps without saying you don’t know anything about maps”

[@jaimevivesp]

Garmin uses WGS84, that is, a geoid. A little research would have helped avoiding ridicule.

[@tgstudio85]

Tell me kiddo, why all maps use longitude and latitude(which is spherical coordinate system unit), why don't they use Cartesian coordinate system?

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

Ran away.

[@bumpyearth4204]

I know exactly how they work. They have a motor that moves the telescope to follow the moving luminaries.

[@CSXRobert]

Oh wow, you're so smart! Now, how can it follow a "luminary" in a perfect circle across the sky from horizon to horizon and continue to follow the rest of the path while pointed at the ground. if the "luminaries" are "circling above" the "flat" earth.

[@bumpyearth4204]

@@CSXRobert because it has a motor .. Can you read?

[@bumpyearth4204]

@@CSXRobert you're getting fooled by a telescope pointing at the ground. The luminary is not going under the ground.

[@CSXRobert]

@@bumpyearth4204 Then where is it going? If it's tracing a perfectly circular arc across the sky (which that in itself would only be possible from one location if it's circling above) from horizon to horizon, what happens when it sets? Does it suddenly make a sharp left or right hand turn to travel across the horizon to the other side before rising again? If that's the case, then how come some one 100 miles to my west won't see that sharp turn but instead still see it travelling in a perfect circle until it gets to his horizon. It's apparent path across the sky is a perfectly circular arc to everyone, anywhere in the world, all of the time, and that path appears to take it below the horizon and below the ground. Again, since you didn't try to answer the first time, how can this happen?

[@bumpyearth4204]

@@CSXRobert out of your view, we both agree, you just think it's going underground because the telescope (with the motor) points at the ground. The telescope wouldn't be doing anything if it didn't have the motor to move the telescope to follow the MOVING Luminary.

[@Arcticbear74]

This works just as well on a flat earth. You are simply lining up with the stars axis of rotation. That will Be exactly the same as the earths axis of rotation. Not proof of a globe by any means. Oceans will tell you all you need to know about the shape of the earth. Next……….

[@throwawayavclubber7269]

No.

[@seektruth1215]

No it doesn't Rob the equatorial mount is on a level surface and the mount is sellestrialy fix on rotation of the sky . If you point at the sun at sunrise 🌅 and kept pointing 👉 till sunset 🌇 perspectively you make an arch like a pertractor . But in reality it travels overhead in a circle . It's GPS fixed right when you program it to follow stars 🌟 and once the stars or sun go beyond the artificial horizon the equatorial mount don't see them now it will follow into the floor assuming there underneath intil they rise again 😀 its all one big zodiacal circle my friend . Its like your 500g weight test, I did the 500g test with very similar scales and I got a different result in my flat in different rooms and it makes a difference when your at ground level and high level and different temperatures 😀

[@seektruth1215]

@@JacobLM42 who seid anything about earth being a space pizza.

[@seektruth1215]

@@JacobLM42 you are funny.

[@tiggy2756]

"It's GPS fixed right when you program it to follow stars" GPS , programmed? We are talking about equatorial mount its simply aligned to earth rotational axis so we can track celestial objects on a single a rotational axis from a rotating globe (earth) . Nothing high tech just a simple mount using proven geometry that cannot work on flat stationary earth " But in reality it travels overhead in a circle 2 No totally wrong ,we orbit the sun a fact that's easily proven

[@jaykay9286]

Question to any real thinking "globe" people here.... Is celestial phenomena PROOF for the shape of earth? YES or NO? (simple answer only)

[@scott_meyer]

Yes, if you don't know why.. Here's your sign.

[@jaykay9286]

@@scott_meyer yes ? Ok . Tell me how the stars, sun and moon...is PROOF that water bends or "curves" over an X amount of distance on the oceans. As far as I know, no matter how big the surface area of water in which it is contained....for example water in a cup, bowl, tub, pool, lake......oceans...all remain a plane. Its what we OBSERVE in nature. The movement of celestial phenomena and it setting upon the horizon is NOT PROOF for the Geophysics of earth. So your answer should really be No. I can help you understand if you'd like. But first go ahead and explain to me how I'm wrong?

[@scott_meyer]

@@jaykay9286 Oh shut up nitwit.

[@scott_meyer]

@@jaykay9286 Here's your sign.

[@scott_meyer]

@@jaykay9286 Look south. Which way do the stars travel? Flat disproved, globe confirmed. Here's your sign. Later twit.

[@syashadeed7552]

Bahahaha. No way this guy is a real pilot. Wolfie sells wolf tickets. What a joke

[@Wolfie6020]

LOL. Yes that is a good joke.

[@tbrown3356]

What airline do you work for? You are putting lives in danger.

[@Wolfie6020]

Are you a parrot? Nathan is just triggered because he is afraid to debate me on a neutral channel and his income from Flat Earth content is drying up. He does not understand the Coriolis effect or how aircraft follow a precise ground track. No I am not putting anyone in danger. You obviously don't know how to fly a plane or navigate around the Earth. Let us see if you can answer this question. Two people are on a roundabout that is rotating at 60 degrees per second. The first person throws a ball towards the second person. The ball takes 1 second to cross the diameter of the roundabout. Q1. Does that ball require any corrections to its flight path to arrive at the second Person? Yes or No? Q2. Are the corrections real or apparent? Now we see if you can think for yourself or if you are just a mindless Oakley parrot. I don't work for an airline.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Mr Brown, have you finally found a way to accurately calculate distances between any two locations on earth? Or is a #500mileserror still your best shot?

[@Wolfie6020]

​@@Alysm-Aviation He obviously can't think for himself and ran away.

[@tbrown3356]

@@Wolfie6020 Elevation angle measurements of Polaris on a flat earth were turned into latitude lines on a celestial sphere with a radius of 3959 miles. Multiplying 69 by 360 is the celestial sphere circumference that the great circle latitude lines are plotted on. So to get a distance on a celestial sphere model which is what maps and globes are, requires inserting r. The globe model was created from flat earth. Welcome to flat earth!!!

[@tbrown3356]

@@Wolfie6020 Roundabouts are actually spinning and because of that when a ball goes in the air observers on the roundabout see an apparent deflection. You are putting lives in danger by accounting for apparent deflections people see on roundabouts. What is the name of your airlines?

[@my2cents75]

1:00 could you define what you mean by adjusting your altitude to match your latitude?

[@david_akerman]

He explained it in the video. To align the EQ mount with the Earth's rotation you set the altitude (angle) of the mount to match the latitude (also an angle) of its location. This would make no sense whatsoever for any shape other than a globe.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Gary, you just confirmed you don't understand Equatorial Mounts and did no research. This took me three seconds on Google. 4. The RA axis needs to point up to the north celestial pole. To do this, the mount's ALTITUDE SETTING needs to be the same as your local latitude

[@my2cents75]

@@Wolfie6020thanks for the answer. So it is adjusted to sea level?

[@david_akerman]

@@my2cents75 You're not understanding what you're told. Sea level is irrelevant. The altitude is the elevation angle.

[@my2cents75]

@@david_akerman that's just silly. You do the same thing over a flat surface

[@flattenthecurve8623]

Dahhhh I am GlobeHead and I am Stupid. Dahhhh I’m pinned to the bottom of a pressurized, supersonic spinning water ball that’s in three elliptical orbits at ridiculous speeds and floating in an infinite vacuum Because of a telescope mount!!!! Hahaha 🤣 Globe Earth is a Religion Fools!!

[@tjjones621]

Dahhhh, I have a map of Earth, but I am too stupid to zoom out... FE is, well, just dumb.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@tjjones621 Yea, and your map is measured using horizontal distances exclusively. That’s why when you zoom out all you get is a cartoon ball. Face it, you’re just a stupid GlobeHead that dribbles and drools over computer generated images while munching on crayons and licking windows. So sad 😭 that your greatest proof is a cartoon, you can’t measure curvature in reality.

[@Wolfie6020]

So you have no clue how the EQ mount works. Got it. Thanks for proving my point. Can't you think in three dimensions? You should ask yourself why you fail to grasp such simple geometry. Everyone else gets it.

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@Wolfie6020 Hey Major Idiot, every survey of every piece of property on earth is measured using horizontal distances exclusively. They are the legal descriptions of all the lands of earth and can be found in every Land Records Office Worldwide!! Why don’t any of you stupid GlobeHeads go check it out, it’s all public information. Ohhh wait, Major Idiots look up to measure the ground. In other words, you’re just a Major Idiot. Globe Earth is a Religion Fool!!

[@flattenthecurve8623]

@@Wolfie6020 Dahhhh I am Wolfie and I am Stupid. Dahhhh My telescope says I’m pinned to the bottom of a pressurized, supersonic spinning water ball that’s in three elliptical orbits at ridiculous speeds and floating in an infinite vacuum. Dahhhh I’m a Science Denying Religious Zealot who’s thrown away my physics books so that I can kneel down at the altar of Globe Earth Religion. Dahhhh I enjoy dribbling and drooling over computer generated images and hoaxed moon landings while munching on crayons and licking windows. Dahhhh Dahhhh Fart 💨

[@syashadeed7552]

Just one time show bending water. You can't. Earth is flat bro

[@Wolfie6020]

I have shown it many times and so have others. The Earth is a Globe, the Equatorial mount proves it. Thanks for confirming you don't understand how they work.

[@volcanoimage]

On all maps why do the distances between each degree of longitude get smaller as you farther south of the equator. Deflection or refusal to answer means you are just trolling FE.

[@jaimevivesp]

"show bending water" Research ship model basins, they prove water curves.

[@eftupworld]

I'm not sure why our Globe friends struggle to realize that the sky doesn't determine the shape of the ground. Wow, I can't believe it's been this long and you people still don't understand that equatorial mounts work because the sky is in rotation, not the earth. If you want to know the shape of the ground look at the ground, not the sky. Amazing.

[@Wolfie6020]

So you don't understand how the EQ mount works. Got it. 👍 But sure, I'll humour you. Flight plans look at the ground. They prove it is a Globe too. Can you show me an alternative to the Globe for flight planning. You need a real flight plan for that. I'll wait.

[@ws1982]

We also have measurements of the ground/water and they show the earth is curved. Go look at the over 6000 data points from Jesse Kozlowski’s lake ponchartrain causeway dataset taken over 20+miles using surveying equipment. Let’s see your best set of measurements taken over miles that can falsify the globe and confirm the flat Earth.

[@eilabaca]

I'm not sure how you struggle to realize that you can't track objects in the sky with a telescope rotating on ONE axis if the earth is flat. The shape of the ground DOES matter if you think about this fact. We also got other ways to verify the shape of the ground. We measure it and also find its not flat. It agrees with what the telescope demonstrates.

[@grahvis]

Okay I'll bite. If the sky is in rotation round a flat earth please explain. 1) How, no matter from where they are viewed, the stars always rotate in circles. 2) How there are two opposite centres of rotation. If you cannot explain,both, I suggest you STFU and cease to display your ignorance

[@adventureswithdogs2251]

eftupworld: Quick question- why does the EQ mount on my telescope need to be set for my exact latitude?

[@barstoolsandpowertools8617]

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