ERENS PLAN REVEALED! | Attack on Titan Season 4 Fiancé Reaction | Ep 20, “Future Memories”

[@aubidurrahman3387]

[not spoilers] to clarify, they aren’t time hopping. simply moving through already existing memories like an interactive photo gallery if you will. it’s been mentioned repeatedly that the coordinate connects every subject of ymir in many ways including memories. so zeke used the power of the coordinate to sift through grisha’s memories

[@hundvd_7]

Is it _sifting_ through memories though? They could just be literally experiencing those ~12 years in a literal instant. Before they touched and Eren arrived at the coordinate, Zeke said he waited several years, but also just a few moments. It's clear that time is pretty much meaningless in that "world"

[@kiaser21]

They have the power to interact, or at least Eren does.

[@user-qt9ly8ef8p]

@@kiaser21 the way eren interacted is by sending his memories of himself watching the memories into the past. grisha didnt actually see eren he just saw himself through eren's eyes, but he heard eren talking to him. grisha was also able to see zeke through eren's eyes

[@modisp]

YES. It is actually Grisha who "traveled to the future" and saw Eren push him to limit in his future memories. Eren just did what Grisha saw him do.

[@luis-yx6jz]

@@user-qt9ly8ef8p Grisha and Zeke literally hug each other, it's totally clear in the manga and clearer in the anime, the coordinate connects all of ymir's subjects, even between past and future

[@ViolentVibrator]

Zeke: Our father traumatized me. Eren: I traumatized our father.

[@pushkardeshmukh2413]

😄😄😄

[@goosetheduck4381]

😂😂😂

[@sirken2]

I mean by all accounts Eren traumatized Zeke becuase he set his Father on the path Along with Kruger and every Attack titan to get to where we are.

[@ViolentVibrator]

@@sirken2 well he didn't influence the officer that had his sister eaten by dogs. Remember when Grisha was told you started this story when you took your sister outside the walls... So still that hate and anger that fostered in Grisha was of his own doing. Grisha did not get the attack Titan until he was on paradise and Kruger used his influence to be at the point and time to get to Grisha to give it to him. An interesting thing to explore is how much influence the attack Titan has on before they actually inherit it.

[@mihail221]

Zeke: "And I took that personally"

[@Borderose]

Grisha was the best doctor in Paradis. He was like a doctor from 1940 transported back to the 1800's. His knowledge and techniques were literal centuries ahead, so after curing the plague he got famous around powerful circles.

[@b.s.bobbyshaw]

His knowledge was centuries ahead…. Because Eren was guiding him 👀

[@shaziluddin9848]

No bro Eren is not a doctor 😂​@@b.s.bobbyshaw

[@bomon6654]

Attack on Titan: Author: Eren Director: Eren Producer: Eren Animator: Eren Protagonist: Eren Hero: Eren Villain: Eren POV: Eren Who told me to write this: Eren

[@levi_.ismyhusband]

Eren is diabolical💀🙏 was playing everyone from the start

[@Bubble6222]

Um actually armin is the narrator

[@bomon6654]

@@Bubble6222 show me where i said narrator 😒

[@Bubble6222]

@@bomon6654 Author,producer,animator,director are all forms of a narrator

[@b.s.bobbyshaw]

What? Someone must stop him….. Never mind.

[@rjai5003]

Grisha got a son who wanted a peaceful life when he wanted a fighter, and a son who was a fighter when he wanted a peaceful life

[@s.k.abishek]

Eren was the son Grisha wanted in Marley and Zeke in Paradis

[@Daesma999]

@@s.k.abishek Still an unlucky wish when it comes to Eren. Eren is insane influencing the Attack Titan

[@RomanNavi]

Reminds me of the contradiction of Aang being a pacifist in wartime, and Korra being a fighter in peacetime.

[@MessApathy]

@@RomanNavi now I gotta rewatch atla

[@CrazeeAdam]

Pretty ironic isn't it

[@Marta-uv4id]

The scene of Grisha breaking down was done so well, you can literally feel his pain and misery.

[@jirehchoo2151]

It was really depressing for me

[@yourchannel2372]

But in sub it looks more realistic like when he hug zeke and cry it looks more emotional in sub compared to dub

[@HeroicEvil13]

It's definitely more powerful in Sub tbh, coming from someone who originally hated Sub and preferred Dub. The frantic shots/directing during this scene definitely set it apart from all others, you can see/feel/hear the utter misery and betrayal. Its almost ironic to state that it's one of the most beautiful scenes, who would've thought we'd directly see Zeke get closure with a dead character

[@masonbaldwin4864]

The sub's voice actor is like one of the senior master level in Japan. He's been professionally doing this for decades. So there's no comparison at this point.

[@bennogb5069]

@@yourchannel2372 ye genuinely Grishas japanese VA is one of the best performances ive ever heard

[@fareszaz3461]

Notice how Grisha says "I killed them all but the father" did u question why not the father too? So he can kidnap historia and eren and unlock these memories and eren getting the hardening and history being the queen.. Eren planned every single detail

[@pepeedge5601]

More like he knew that it had to happen that way, so his instructed Grisha acordingly. It this weird loop. Eren is can only reach his present state if his present state fabricates things that way trough sending back specific information. In a way present Eren "created" himself.

[@stryx_flame3973]

Eren mainly did that because he didn't want Historia to die, because he knew that night Kenny Ackerman was coming to kill her when Historia told them her past in s3 part 1

[@fareszaz3461]

@@stryx_flame3973 OOOOH yea

[@fareszaz3461]

@@pepeedge5601 Yess it's a weird loop

[@stryx_flame3973]

@@fareszaz3461 It's Attack on Titan, literally any detail can have multiple layers. Getting 1 layer out of 10,000 doesn't make you wrong, it just means Isayama is a plot wizard jerk lol

[@sharpy0353]

18:39 I like how Grisha says, "my wife and CHILDREN" not child, because he obviously sees Mikasa as a daughter

[@sophiab9641]

The idea that when Eren kissed Historia’s hand in season 3, he saw THIS is wild. Like Eren saw a past memory of Grisha seeing a future memory of Eren seeing a past memory that is of Grisha’s present.

[@Daore05]

I still don’t know how that worked though. Can’t comprehend it

[@FirethornYT]

Eren was angry because he got the ending of AoT spoiled

[@sohambhogale7700]

​@@Daore05 basically eren was sending memories back to grisha of him seeing grisha from eren's pov to manipulate him. Its similar to how other titan shifter gets memories of their previous wielder but eren can send memories to past since he was in co ordinate where the past present and future exists at same time

[@anny_draws3023]

Just remembered your relief after it was revealed that Eren wasn't following Zekes plan and now look where we are

[@adrianwagner8202]

I guess like most people, we hoped Eren would come around in the end and act reasonable ... That kind of bias is pretty understandable because he's the main character that we've been rooting for for over three seasons. Many of us weren't ready to accept that he might become the villain of his own story.

[@anny_draws3023]

@@adrianwagner8202 yeah but also how is it possible to hope that he will turn around after knowing that a song dedicated to him is literally called "child of evil" xd

[@karlwilker579]

I honestly cheered the moment he rejected Zeke's plan, because it was the first time all season that he sounded like himself. About 5 seconds later I remembered what the alternative was...

[@xxxzzz1709]

actually zeke’plan looks like angels plan after we saw eren’plan

[@LowKeyDan.]

@@adrianwagner8202 I make entertaining vids

[@LRibeiro97]

They're seeing Grisha's memories, not Eren's. They weren't time traveling. They were just "making a tour". They were just spectators. (Aside from the fact that Grisha could see Eren's memories of when Eren was in Grisha's memores) (Notice that Eren looked intensily at the picture before Grisha woke up. So Eren looked at the picture and send thos memories to Grisha, to influence Grisha to apologize to Zeke.

[@bennogb5069]

No I think its the POV of Eren getting shared by future Founding Eren, sent to Grisha in that moment and causing him to see Zeke and Grisha seeing a reflection of himself right in Front of him. And Grisha after seeing Eren realized that Eren is actually the Grisha standing in front of him and that He had gotten the Founder. (Also he sent direct future memories to gaslight Grisha) Also Grisha tought it was part of the Attack Titan ability, while really it was Just Eren posessing the Founder and Sending memories

[@RezgamerLuc]

@@bennogb5069 my interpretation was that he was seeing eren and zeke being present in those moments through erens memories through the future memories ability of the attack titan.

[@mikefun7482]

@@bennogb5069 Grisha didn't see Eren once. Grisha was looking at Eren's memories of being inside Eren's memories through the eyes of Eren. When they were in the doorway, it wasnt that Grisha was looking at Eren, he was literally looking at himself talking to himself through Eren's eyes.

[@bennogb5069]

@@RezgamerLuc For Grisha to see and interact with Zeke, Eren sent memories of His POV to Grisha, so basically when Eren was standing behind Zeke and Grisha hugging, Grisha saw Zeke just Like Eren was. Its like a livestream from the Future, inside the memories of the past. Time is relative If youre dealing with the Founding Titan wich basically doesnt Care for the influence of time on itself.

[@bennogb5069]

@@mikefun7482 thats what I was saying. I was Just talking about how the Grisha that Grisha saw was actually Eren, wich is extremely creepy. Grisha realized that at this point the phantom that has been following him since He had the Key in hand, in the basement, is actually an adult Eren Just like He had seen adult Zeke. He knew they were in his memories by then and he notices Erens POV multiple Times in the cave, including when He was seeing him whispering into his ear and sending His past memories to him to see

[@Marta-uv4id]

Zeke: "Eren, our father brainwashed you." Eren: *Uno reverse*

[@dryblackfire7587]

*Uno reverse*

[@captainroy1584]

*Uno reverse*

[@darkheroiv739]

*Uno reverse*

[@animedxst1105]

Uno reverse

[@yumaniga5191]

One back

[@chloec4009]

This is one of the most unique forms of "time travel" I've ever seen. Grisha seeing Eren's POV in the future whilst Eren is viewing Grisha's past allows Grisha to know his own future. Mind blowing.

[@sirken2]

And this only happened because Zeke brought him into the memories via the Royal blood and the founder.

[@adrianwagner8202]

It's so ironic that Zeke is the son who gets to have a tearful reunion with Grisha, the man he tried to demonize during the entire trip, while Eren was actually the one doing the brainwashing. And instead of Zeke outsmarting Eren and being the one in power, he's the one who gets turned into a pawn for the real mastermind he thought he had under control. This show, man. Just when you think you have an idea what's going on, it turns everything on its head within a millisecond.

[@JuanSolo9]

*Zeke:* "I knew there was a chance you'd betray me Eren, I've outsmarted you." *Eren:* "You fool, I outsmarted your outsmarting almost a decade ago."

[@thewingedone1172]

It wasn't really masterplan. Eren didn't know he would be able to SPOILER FOR EP21 Break the chains

[@LowKeyDan.]

@@JuanSolo9 I make entertaining vids

[@LowKeyDan.]

@@thewingedone1172 I make entertaining vids

[@bennogb5069]

@@JuanSolo9 actually its just that Eren had the advantage of already knowing that he is guarantied to win, because of the Founder allowing him to make the past happen. Erens speech to Ymir, as the devil on her shoulder, is what allowed him to get what He wants. Eren was always going to win and He knew it, since He had seen it happen just Like Grisha had intuitively realized Eren had gotten the Founder for him to be seeing old Zeke/Eren and His memories

[@jdman2210]

Something interesting about the future sight power is that Eren can’t directly see the future, he can only see what he sent to grisha. And it’s very clear that even grisha doesn’t see everything as shown when grisha wonders if Carla lives.

[@Cerenduil]

Exactly, and that's why is so sad and cruel when Grisha says "why you dont show me if Carla is ok?", holy F*ck that's nasty.

[@jackofastora8962]

@@Cerenduil even worse, there’s a high chance that eren showed grisha Carla being eaten to completely break him and get him to give eren the attack titan

[@i.k5696]

@@jackofastora8962 luckily not, eren kept that to Himself, to use it as kid eren finally pushing geisha to make eren eating him despite his knolage

[@tanishpunamiya783]

@@jackofastora8962 yeahh i always wonder, even knowing abt everything further what convinced grisha to pass on the titans to eren

[@markgregorygacosta531]

Exactly. that's the limitation of the attack titan power. Moreover, the holder of the Attack titan (eren) cannot directly give future memories to his younger self. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need to show future memories to Grisha.

[@CtefoxZeus]

Grisha's Japanese voice actor was just phenomenal. Everyone were praising him like all week. So epic right there.

[@kyroking9934]

Yea. I kinda wished they watched the sub for just this episode bc everything about the voice acting was top tier

[@felixcantos7675]

Yeaahhhh !!! That's true!!! Grisha's Japanese voice actor was a great job!!

[@psychoboyjack285]

i felt so underwhelmed when i watched the Dub version for the first time... The japanese VA is so amazing, this doesn't do it justice at all.

[@Shad0wCK]

The dub is better for me

[@CtefoxZeus]

@@Shad0wCK What ??? Really ???

[@Daesma999]

So guys.. THIS is an actual episode ONE of the Attack on Titan.. Grisha breaking down is something which will never stop making me cry. He had it the worst out of these three.

[@TherapyGel]

The voice acting on both sub and dub, the soundtrack, and the animation really made that scene incredible. You feel his desperation in every sense. Especially the animation, reminded me of Akira a bit.

[@Daesma999]

@@TherapyGel I agree. I don't know Akira, tho. Or at least the name doesn't sound familiar to me 😅

[@immasanmiguel4428]

They didn’t go back in time, they were just watching the memories. Eren could send his memories to Grisha, that’s why he saw Zeke. He was seeing Zeke but in the eyes of Eren, cause he was seeing Eren’s memories.

[@hmidlashkham5552]

They're not going back in time, Eren is just letting Griesha see his own memories from the future of himself seeing Griesha's memories from the past. It's like when Kruger could "remember" Mikasa and Armin. Griesha could see future memories of Eren and Zeke together looking at his own memories.

[@R3WIRED]

You explained it perfectly but I love how you started with "Eren is just", implying the next part would be simple and easy while its really very a convoluted and complex to think about if someone is on their first run through. lol

[@dryblackfire7587]

You know your plan is evil when even your own father wants to stop it.

[@thewingedone1172]

Grisha still gave Eren the titan after this scene. Grisha asked Zeke to stop Eren before he knew that Marleyans attacked Paradis and caused death of Carla

[@anny_draws3023]

This is gold

[@thewingedone1172]

@@dryblackfire7587 it was not about manage. Grisha knows Rod Reiss is alive in future because Eren showed him. There is no way Rod would survive otherwise

[@LowKeyDan.]

I make entertaining vids

[@babc6394]

Everytime if someone want to be gay

[@gregovaromoreno6318]

If you recall, when Eren fought Annie, in rage mode he said: "I will destroy the world" he wasn't kidding

[@sayantaroy9640]

and he said in s1 when santa titan ate him

[@French_Hellmo]

@@sayantaroy9640 unluckiest titan ever

[@emppa3138]

Reiner: You will play the bad guy next.

[@sayantaroy9640]

@@French_Hellmo lmao true🤣😂

[@jdman2210]

@@emppa3138 he took that personally

[@tonerc.8191]

Remember what Eren Krueger said to Grisha "In order to save Armin and Mikasa" "Whose memories are those?" He was seeing Eren's future memories.

[@sohambhogale7700]

He was seeing eren's memories of grisha saying this to eren before transforming eren into a pure titan cuz kruger told him because Kruger got those memories (a full circle)

[@Jack7.]

I don't think Eren is free. He "can't change a thing" like when Hannes died to Dina's Titan. When that happened he cried and laughed hysterically. Remember when Sasha died? He also laughed. Eren. Can't. Change. A thing. He is bound by his future visions and fate.

[@poopoopeepee211]

ironic how Eren (and by extension the Attack Titan) has always sought out freedom, yet is the farthest from achieving it. They're bound by the future that they literally see for themselves. Knowledge is freedom for everyone except for him.

[@Jack7.]

@@poopoopeepee211 yeah, this author wrote it so well.

[@sidhanttiwari942]

Whenever I rewatch this show , I'm reminded that nothing can match this show's storytelling

[@andreay9935]

Agreed

[@ahmadiskandarzulkarnain5833]

Storytelling in the Peak

[@NASTAR01]

With all due respect, this makes me think you need to broaden your horizons

[@sidhanttiwari942]

@@NASTAR01 With due respect, I have watched a pretty hefty amount of tv shows and movies to know what interests me the most and what I know is truly a masterpiece

[@unrepentantjaegerist7236]

@@NASTAR01 you guys need to give people the names of these shows which are supposedly better than aot plot-wise, you never do

[@m33p0]

Eren convinced Isayama to write this story.

[@supermoogle07]

Montana: “ Grisha is showing classic signs of regret and remorse and” Kenny: : “ WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY!!!!”

[@crowsenpai5625]

Zeke “We’ll look though your memories to see where our father manipulated you.” Zeke (witnesses Erin manipulate his father) “Uh oh.”

[@mahesh41000]

Those last few words from him are just perfect way of putting eren's pov!!! Good job!!

[@JohnSmith-tt3go]

I swear Grisha's VA just comes in once every 20 episodes or so and just knocks it out of the park. AAA performance, you can just feel the emotion even if you don't speak a lick of Japanese.

[@LowKeyDan.]

I make entertaining vids

[@blondymonk1535]

Too bad it's in english xd... Dub watchers miss sooo much emotion in their VA's...

[@sneakybeaky2112]

You just copied this off reddit didn’t you?

[@nomus1172]

Some anime dubs are good . Look at re zeros dub the VA is very good at emotional moments

[@Dragonmacher]

@@blondymonk1535 I would say the dub is not even that bad, I like the voice of the sub more and find it more fitting but the voice actor of the dub did a pretty good job in trying to express the same emotions.

[@kohlmn]

The fact that it was Eren from the beginning, bro really is the villain now.

[@LowKeyDan.]

I make entertaining vids

[@Chaunwilkerson]

@@LowKeyDan. Vid?

[@jimmy3261]

“Villain” is subjective in the case of Eren here. He had to motivate his dad b/c the Reiss family were a huge liability. No one is truly good in this series imo

[@N5FX]

Is your world view that boring to the point you view everything black or white ?

[@kohlmn]

@@N5FX calm down man I’m using general terms to avoid spoiling it for you and the other anime onlys

[@leonL39]

Eren, both the writer and the reader of the same book that was already finished

[@noahcarver6133]

Notice every time Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is positioned behind Grisha. So through Erin’s memories Grisha saw Zeke because Eren was looking at Zeke behind Grisha.

[@phenompy]

Grisha wasn't seeing Eren, Grisha was seeing himself through Eren's eyes, as he accessed Eren's memories in the future. Can you imagine how creepy it'll be to suddenly seeing yourself from the POV of someone that's not really there?

[@jerm_]

Grisha didnt 'access' them. Eren chooses to send back specific memories. This is why Grisha doesn't know if Carla died or not. Eren would not send that memory back to him.

[@zkane8953]

i love how he refers to Mikasa as his child!

[@tho_ct]

Actually, we knew in the previous season that the attack titan shifters can see memories of future shifters. If I'm not mistaken, Eren Kruger said something close to "You have to do it, to save Armin and Mikasa..." to Grisha. None of them knew of these two were, because they had not met them at this point of time.

[@TheJerbol]

Eren's "You've undone his brainwashing" is going down as one of the most unintentionally hilarious lines ever

[@kwenasepuru4604]

There are two important features about the Attack Titan's future sight that you need to keep in mind otherwise you'll percieve Eren's actions incorrectly. Firstly, Eren isn't able to directly see his own future. He can only see the future memories of the next inheritor of the Attack Titan. However, All of the 9 are still able to see the memories of past users. Which means Eren has access to all his dad's memories. His dad is able to see Eren's memories, therefore Eren is only able to see his own future by witnessing what his dad has seen. This results in some limitations, Eren is unable to know anything that neither him or his dad were present to witness. So for example, no matter what he never would've been able to know about Zeke's fight with Levi in the forest and his near death, because neither he nor his dad were present to witness that. Secondly, Grisha hasn't seen everything. Eren chooses what to show him. You can hear in this episode that he doesn't know if Carla is alive or not because Eren hasn't shown him what happens to her. So Eren is also running slightly blind, he only knows what he's shown his dad. That's why Gabi managed to shoot him and he looked genuinely surprised, since Grisha never witnessed that specific memory, then Eren couldn't know that was coming. Eren knows all the major events that are going to take place that he's there for, and not much else. But clearly since it's future memories it's all going to happen anyways even if he doesn't know exactly how.

[@elheber]

The episode has two inserts: one of Eren kissing Historia's hand, and one of him reeling back after kissing her hand. The short scenes between those are the full extent of what he saw last season. He saw Grisha ask an unseen Eren if slaughtering all but the father is want he wanted and if this will save Eldia, and he saw his father speak to an unseen Zeke. This is all Eren ever knew of the future. Eren learned he was to blame, and that he needed Zeke. Nothing more.

[@nicomeneses886]

> So Eren is also running slightly blind, he only knows what he's shown his dad A bit of clarification for others still confused, Eren can only see what *future* Eren has shown Grisha. That is how Eren "sees" the future, through memories of the future he got from Grisha...which is the title of the episode.

[@GH3MAN2]

@@nicomeneses886 im still slightly confused: during the hand kiss did eren see himself talking to grisha or no? and if not how did he figure out he was there

[@GH3MAN2]

which point in time did eren send back his memoroes? i finished rhe manga but i dont remember when he sent them back

[@nicomeneses886]

Mostly in this episode. He kinda realizes he can do it when he accidentally sent future memories to Grisha when Eren looked at the picture with young Zeke in it and Grisha woke up and saw old Zeke. Everytime Eren was staring at Grisha and Grisha looks panicked, I interpret those as Grisha having glimpses. And the biggest one is when Eren reminds Grisha why he was there. For the rest of those future memories, it's kinda implied to have happened "offscreen" in-between scenes where Zeke and Eren are skimming through those memories.

[@hsuanlin6570]

In aot, there doesn’t exist the concept of “past” and “now”, all the things are happened at the same time. The time line is a circle. Now is past, past is present.

[@bennogb5069]

And thats mainly because the Founding Titan/ Paths exist. The influence of a Godly figure that trancends time and space is enough to Not just start the cycle of Titans, fueled by the human condition, but also the cycle of history. Eren would never have been able to make history happen If He didnt make the past happen, by being the devil on Ymirs shoulder in contrast to Zekes as a christ figure.

[@GamerGrovyle]

And the past only happened because he, in the future would influence it which would lead him in the past to the future in which he changes the past and so on

[@Satadru74x9]

1. How Eren manipulated Grisha :- Eren and Zeke are not time travelling. They're seeing memories of Grisha. During the last fight scene, which was in past, Grisha saw memories of Eren. And Eren seeing Grisha's memory and telling Grisha what to do is part of Eren's memory which Grisha saw in past during the fight. This way they communicated. Attack Titan's power is to see memory of other holders, but not changing past. But Eren figured out a way to create memory loop to change past. 2. How Grisha hugged Zeke:- When Grisha says "Why don't you show me future, Eren?" Eren let's Grisha see memory of what was happening there. There Eren saw Zeke standing in front of Grisha. This became Eren's memory. When Grisha saw this Grisha realised Zeke is standing there. So he hugged him as a final sorry. Now Zeke wasn't physically there in past. So if a random person saw Grisha that time, they would see Grisha is just hugging air there. Grisha can't even feel or see Zeke. He is seeing Zeke through Eren's memory not his own eyes. But that fake hug was emotional enough for them to cry. Grisha saw Zeke through Eren's memory becomes Grisha's memory. As Zeke was traveling through Grisha's memory he also saw that hug. And he also can't feel it physically. But similar to his dad it was enough for him to cry.

[@Zarola]

Grisha's brainwashing of Zeke was his own. Also Krueger told Grisha to start a new family and make friends on Paradis so he would have relationship bonds that would motivate him to take the Founder

[@equinoxXIII]

And this is when Eren became one of my favorite characters in all media when I read this in the manga years ago! That character development is insane!

[@jacobjohnston3983]

“From now on, only Eren will get what he wants.” And what does Eren want? RUMBLING RUMBLING ITS COMING

[@anny_draws3023]

RUMBLING RUMBLING

[@EthanBalkfield]

BEWARE

[@itachiuchiha-bl5wv]

What i love about the show is that your opinion changes about a character or an event so many times just because you are seeing it from a different perspective...and it portrays the accurate real world scenario, where you hate/love a character and then you hear/see their whole story and your opinions about them changes...it's just a masterclass of profound storytelling...❤❤

[@joshuanowlin443]

A subtle implication here is that Grisha went back to the founder on that specific day at Erens prompting, in other words Eren let his mother die so that he could get the founder and retain his animosity towards the titans. He could have had Grisha take his family with him that day, but he chose not to.

[@習近平小熊維尼]

IMPORTANCE!!! Q : If Grisha knew what Eren was going to do and that he had to be stopped, why then did he commence with giving him the Attack titan and Founder? A: There could be multiple explanations. First, he doesn't know just how messed up the future could be if he changes such a critical event in the timeline. It might be better to try influencing further into the future through Zeke to prevent a massive shift in the events of the future. Second, he gives Eren his Titan after the fall of wall Maria, which he had yet to see the consequences of. It's possible that upon learning of Carla's death, his old hatred of Marley could have been reignited, since once again Marley had taken his family away from him. Third, he likely has less than a year left to live, and who else would he entrust his Titan to?

[@number0017]

Either way it is a huge plothole in the story.

[@EthanBalkfield]

It was quite clearly because of Carla's death. In this moment depicted in episode 20, he clearly says that he doesn't know whether Carla is saved or not. The next time he meets Eren, he learns of Carla's death and immediately turns Eren into a titan so that he could eat him, while being visibly very much distraught. I think it's pretty easy to connect the dots if you think about it.

[@dryblackfire7587]

Grisha:"Zeke you need stop Eren." Also Grisha: *Gives Eren the Attack and Founding Titan*

[@iRoboticGaming]

well he found out from Kid Eren, that Carla died

[@jirehchoo2151]

Eren forced him to do it

[@yazanbr4377]

"all but the father" is very very important, because of grisha sparing Rodd so he can later become titan which historia will do the killing blow and she become the queen and then Eren would kiss her hands so he can see the past/future and complete the circle

[@DiamondLotus210]

A couple things: 1) to explain how Grisha was seeing certain things, Grisha is able to see certain parts of the future because of Eren sending memories back in time. Eren was able to pick and choose what memories to send to Grisha. So for example, when Grisha saw Zeke in the basement, what he was actually seeing was a memory from Eren’s point of view. This means he saw himself from behind and saw Zeke through Eren’s eyes. Hope that explains it. 2) I highly recommend you watch Grisha’s breakdown scene in the sub. I know you guys prefer the dub, but the scene is just much better subbed in my opinion. Much more emotional.

[@nellio3981]

Agree, I lean more towards dub but i usually watch stuff in sub first and even tho I think aot is one of the few shows that have good dub seeing this episode in sub definitely hits different. No disrespect on dub tho

[@MetalPharoah]

They don't prefer it they have a disorder that makes it nearly impossible to. That's like telling me who has Cerebral Palsy why aren't I running when being chased by someone, because I CANT RUN.

[@anny_draws3023]

Guys the credit song dedicated to Eren is literally called "child of evil" how is it possible to hope that Eren will turn around after knowing that Lmao

[@LowKeyDan.]

I make entertaining vids

[@chokovok7231]

@@LowKeyDan. cool i am not going to watch them

[@mohamedelhediissa289]

The child of devil*

[@Gestrid]

To be fair, the title of the song is in Japanese in the credits. Child of Evil is just what it's called if you translate the title into English.

[@stryx_flame3973]

" An iron bullet is the proof of justice, and whenever I shot I became closer to the hero. But when I close my eyes and reach out, I realize that the devil was the same I."

[@GTSE2005]

I can't have been the only one who teared up when Zeke did

[@messingmusic_and_animation]

Eren: *outwits Zeke* Zeke: My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[@LowKeyDan.]

I make anime reactions

[@vmx7236]

Eren was purposely playing 4D chess whole time. Epic episode so far!!

[@Cariboudesplaines]

The first time I watched it I wondered: Grisha H A T E D the Marleyans, and just wanted to desttroy as many of them as possible and restore Eldia. What did Eren show him that just made him ask Zeke to save them?

[@EthanBalkfield]

The Rumbling probably

[@SIRafael98]

Future Eren keeps sending to grisha some memories so yes, its Eren's POV in those moments grisha sees zeke, and he cant see eren. He just feels his presence

[@Patriot009]

That future-Eren's rage is the driving force behind past-Eren's suffering drives home one of the main themes of the show, the cycle of hatred/fear/pain.

[@residentlink6113]

I’m not sure if you all noticed but in season 3 you see Eren with a rib cage form when they were in the ice cave. It’s foreshadowing his Founder form

[@L8xG6]

I don’t think the attack titan alone has the power to see future memories. This power has only been made possible because of Eren who has the attack titan and founding titan which he used to enter the coordinate and manipulate events by sending future memories to previous shifters living in the past. Remember what Kruger said to Grisha, that the attack titan, no matter what the era, kept moving forward. It was Eren who made that happen from the time the attack titan was born, to the great titan war, to the present time, and up to the very end.

[@contextTBD]

Eren: This is me being REASONABLE

[@Deimos620]

This explanation also helps us understand Eren’s demeanor. Looking back, it even feels like he is living from memory to memory. He knows what will happen and has succumbed to the future, and that’s why he can’t answer questions and largely stays silent. Also smaller things like knowing Mikasa would save him from the War Hammer Titan can support the notion he is treating life like a connect-the-dot drawing, simply existing till the next dot, because he knows for a fact there is no danger to him and nothing to do in order to change it.

[@chronics23]

These episodes are seriously some on my favorites of any show.

[@sumairshirazi]

this is why eren is the greatest protagonist in anime.

[@paxpacis2]

*Antagonist. If you haven't realized by now, Eren is a villain origin story

[@seemiyajasmine141]

Exactly 💯💯

[@itsthefig]

@@paxpacis2 Protagonist is just the main character

[@93Litze]

15:05 In the very first Manga of SnK, Grisha isn't looking at the young Eren while talking but the old Eren aswell, which we couldn't see at that moment. Hajime Isayama was thinking about this scene since the very first chapter

[@narutosraman]

Grisha saw future memories through eren in those moments, not that they were literally there. He was seeing zeke and those others moments through erens eyes. He knew future eren was watching him through their shared memories

[@bel410la]

The time thing always makes me think of the first episode, how Eren woke up under the tree, crying. Saying that he'd felt like he'd been asleep for a long time. But he couldn't remember his dream.

[@LowKeyDan.]

These two are inspiring, thanks for encouraging me to start my own anime reaction channel

[@raindancejam9466]

Really

[@yellowdevil8396]

he spammed that advertising under alot of videos like a bot

[@MetalPharoah]

I like how those who don't speak Japanese think the sub of everything is better. The disassociate disorder of cultures allows one to believe to feel and hear what they can't understand from a language how they desire. For those that can understand both English and Japanese, it's a different story. You can hear and understand along with realize which actors are terrible, and which are better because you're not affected by the fallacy of disassociative emotions your mind creates since you already know the language.

[@razerscale3590]

Literally my biggest issue with sub is better whiners. 99% of them don't actually know if sub is better because they don't understand any of the context of the language. They can't recognize how and where they portray emotion in their speech, they can't understand the meaning and they don't even know if the sub is correct they just assume it is because. So many people say "subtitles are better" only because they speak English and can breakdown the complexity of English voices. It's the same reason why people who don't speak English like songs and shows that people who speak English think are bad.

[@MetalPharoah]

@Razer Scale In grateful at least one person on this planet realizes the truth.

[@MisterRubiksCube]

22:15 this moment right here represents something called a 'Temporal Causality Loop' for example, that scene from Family guy where Stewie says that he created the universe so that the universe can create him so that he can create the universe and so on, in this scenario Grisha gives Eren the Founding Titan so that Eren can go back and tell Grisha to keep fighting and gain the Founder to give to Eren and so on. If Grisha hadn't done what he did Eren would not have been able to access the memories of his father and cause the past to happen in the first place. A round of applause to Hajime Isayama(the creator of AOT) to let us witness this miraculous event 😮

[@gutscross9706]

the amount of rage i felt at erin for having the gall to give a whole speech about how his father made him feel crushing children, only to discover he made his dad do it

[@LymLevolveon]

EREN SAW GLIMPSES OF HIS OWN FUTURE THROUGH THE PAST MEMORIES OF GRISHA OF SEEING GLIMPSES OF FUTURE EREN'S MEMORIES. which means: 1. Eren never saw the future, he saw the past and got glimpses of future. 2. He only got GLIMPSES of the future, he doesn't know anything other than those glimpses. I'm just saying this cause in S4 Part 3, you'll get so much confused if you don't get this.

[@Kai-vr2dr]

It really makes Eren's story even sadder, I think deep down he desprately wanted a different outcome, but he ended up on the path he saw nonetheless.

[@drakephysecron6775]

@@Kai-vr2dr i think eren still chose this outcome, i genuinely believe the ending eren brought is the best outcome for his comrades/friends, in the cost of the stability of the future, with the cycle not being stopped which even in his omnipotence as the founding still cannot and wouldnt be able to reach. As there is no just one act that will solve everything. Even if you sacrifice everything. This is the reason i like the ending even thoigh there are things that really need improvements.

[@jirehchoo2151]

He only saw the future, future Eren sent himself

[@jackofastora8962]

@@Kai-vr2dr he chose to walk his path, it was a horrible choice, but it was only his to make. He damned the future of eldia for the present imo

[@elheber]

Eren didn't even get to see those glimpses. He only saw through his father's eyes as his father looked at empty space while speaking to Eren and Zeke.

[@travisdavid8313]

Grishas entire scene outside of the church is one of my favorite in the whole show. The emotions running thru him, combined with the music, had me in tears

[@Burgerboy]

The most important and integral pivotal point of the entire series. Also the reason why Grisha can see Zeke or thinks he did, is because Grisha is seeing Eren's memories from the future from visiting that memory. This is possible because Eren is standing behind Grisha.

[@oggrim2824]

Idk if you have, but go back to watch Season 1. Sasha's father, his speech about children of the forest... it applies to Eren. A lot of the way Eren acts now can be traced back to what happened in the forest. Eren never really left the forest. His body was carried out, but his heart and mind are still in it, fighting. Because his regrets won't let him stop.

[@gregovaromoreno6318]

This is what makes Eren,for me, one of the best villains out there. We have known this kid for a long time, we know what he wanted from the start, but know it's so twisted that we don't recognize it

[@dmitriy4708]

And given his priorities his choice is reasonable anyway. What else could he do to save his friends against the entire world that fears and despises them all? Wait until aviation delelops and titans become obsolete? Carpet bombing of the island and the end. P.S. How many colossals could be killed by 1 modern attack helicopter aiming at their napes with 45 mm guns with 1200 rounds plus tens of rockets etc.? Or just kill the Founder making colossals uncontrolled.

[@Zoe-ws2zk]

That discussion on Eren’s growth and change really helped me make sense of his character, so fun to listen to

[@jackofastora8962]

Like people have said, they are actually just going through Grisha’s memory, they are seeing everything as he saw, and Grisha is seeing erens memory all the while, Not spoilers btw, the don’t elaborate on this further if I remember correctly, which is why he keeps looking the way eren is looking and it’s how he can see zeke, in reality grisha is just holding the air, but he can “see” zeke because eren is standing behind him

[@ayu346]

The english voice actor of Grisha was on point, but you must watch the Japanese one , its in another level.

[@Shad0wCK]

Watched it and the Japanese isn’t that great, the dub is way better

[@MisterRubiksCube]

​@@Shad0wCKagreed

[@sourcesymbiosismetamorphis2228]

Never watched the dub but eren's voice actor has definitely gotten so good at the role. Especially when his voice reaches those darker, lower tones almost gritty, metal sounding. Like for example when he's influencing grisha to kill the royal family he did a really good job, and it further emphasized how he got through to grisha on an emotional level because he is more logically inclined as a doctor to think through rationally. The speech he gave to grisha really filled him as a reminder of all the emotional trauma he has had to endure because of what he started he convinced him to keep going.

[@kiaser21]

That cut to the Rumbling song, lol!

[@ProfTricky3168]

Shout out to the editor who was the only one to know what’s happening.

[@noahschultz9031]

Everything in AOT since the series began, were all set into stone by Eren

[@erichaws6788]

You talked over the most important line in the entire episode. It's Eren's guiding philosophy. "If someone tries to steal my freedom from me, I'll steal there's first without a second thought."

[@krys9463]

A person reviewing this plot twist said it best when they said that, while everyone else was playing checkers Eren was playing chess while inventing chess at the same time.

[@jerm_]

Everytime Grisha "saw" Zeke it was really through Erens memories of that moment. Everytime they had an encounter, you could see Eren is there watching.

[@dryblackfire7587]

If Grisha knew what Eren was going to do and that he had to be stopped, why then did he commence with giving him the Attack titan and Founder?

[@習近平小熊維尼]

This is the development that Eren has already decided.

[@killingfloorspieler9942]

That was what i was thinking. I think he just would do anything for The Freedom of Eldia even with Erens Plan. Maybe He just had a moment of ,,weakness‘‘ when he saw Zeke

[@fromOuterSpxce]

its simple...when he found out that carla had died...he was enraged and it brought him back to that restorationist mindset...he was like "rumbling it is..fuck this cruel world"

[@dryblackfire7587]

@SleepyWolf Quite reasonable

[@tx6723]

Cuz he still has to honor what Dinah and Kruger sacrificed and because Carla had been killed so at that point that was the only thing is anger against Marty resurfaced and because he didn't want the attack Titan to end up in anybody's hands

[@angelinasophiakamaratou1205]

Ahh yes, the moment we've alllll been waiting for. Been looking forward to this episode reaction for forever. Not disappointed in the least with it

[@imacrybaby71]

Another FMAB rep, we will keep recommending this til you watch it. Trust us, we know what we're doing.

[@iaminconstantpain4330]

So I've had a thought... If inheritors of the attack titan can see the memories of previous and to be owners, could Eren theoretically speak to his dad whenever if he just remembered a thought of talking to him, with Grisha doing the same?

[@LukaMagic97]

The moment when you realize that they planned this all along and if you go back to season 1 there are silhouettes of Eren in the background of some scenes

[@mrmarco1204]

What others than episode 2?

[@ethanlzo7377]

I always liked how this episodes starts with baby Eren trying to crawl on his own & begins to cry after his freedom is stolen when Grisha picks him up off the floor. I also love how Grisha stabbed the hand that took his little sisters hand when he brought her past the wall.

[@305Independent]

It's called a bootstrap paradox, you're welcome.

[@vsGoliath96]

Oh man, hold onto our butts! It's the episode we've all been waiting for!

[@Cmnt_6661]

Good spot on Friedan’s eyes Kenny! I didn’t notice it until now…

[@o.thatch6136]

Full Metal Alchemist brotherhood is really in depth and interesting, I would really recommend that first

[@kurtisnotcurtis9422]

I just found your channel and I LOVE IT!!!!! You all are great and have really good perception about the show.

[@hinahina7417]

FMAB, no questions asked. It is just that great. And it is especially perfect for you guys. I can list millions of reasons why this should be next but here's 10. 1. Quality over popularity, FMAB is popular but if you want the most quality out of the story FMAB is the way to go (DMS is a bit generic for me and DN drops off on the second half, it's still good but noticeable drop) 2. Diverse characters and a range of gray morality 3. THERE IS NO FORGOTTEN CHARACTERS 4. Top notch dubbing 5. The little moments will even have you crying 6. Philosophy galore, I would love to see Montana's thoughts on some of the characters and themes. 7. If you care, the OST is bomb (orchestral music for the win) 8. Smooth actions scenes, incredible re-watch value 9. Intricate plot that will keep you at the edge of your seats 10. Alchemic Magic system (I swear it's cool) Anyway please heed our cries for FMAB, do it for the story not popularity.

[@Metal-Spark]

One great comment I saw on another video was something along the lines of: Eren is the son Grisha wished he had in Marley, Zeke is the son Grisha wanted in the walls.

[@christianjohnson7223]

FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST IS AN OG MUST WATCH. Love you guys reactions and content keep it up.

[@KIWIMADNEZ]

“Zeke hates Grisha Counter” I’ve been calling it Zeke and his daddy issues 😂

[@devonandrewmills]

Nice job guys. The best is yet to come. I hope you both watch it in Japanese with subtitles one day. The Japanese voice actors are in a league of their own. The raw emotion they can convey through voice will make you tremble.

[@b-six-twelve]

Good on KZbin putting this fine man on my feed