Eric Weinstein: "I am TERRIFIED of this Man!”

[@seancolton5955]

I wish I knew what he was talking about.

[@jockofthebushveld299]

Well that makes three of us You Me & Joe, he never really asked any questions because he was thinking WTF is this guy on about?

[@c.d.8975]

So does Rogan

[@KarenL810]

"Madness has meaning" - I understood that bit. Madness has always run in my family, but unfortunately I'm not mad enough to understand this s**t. Maybe in a few years' time things will be different.

[@berticusmaximus8381]

He's talking about Quantas Airlines and string cheese theory I think.

[@lc2748]

​@@berticusmaximus8381🤣🤣🤣

[@forever3797]

Full marks to Joe for having this conversation and trying to keep up like most of us who don't study this kind of stuff.

[@user-zn7lz8tv8s]

Yeah. There's a reason why we don't study it.

[@rickved]

@@user-zn7lz8tv8s If he wants to explain it to the world, he has to speak our language, not try to look smart. Communication is too difficult for him.

[@bster007]

wtf is he saying?

[@cuzmcc]

please the moron rogan wouldnt have a clue whats been said lol

[@taylormadeshepherds4329]

yer ,, Graham Hancock makes it so more understandable.... but go joe keep on finding these guys that realise they have a platform to integrate with us average people intellectually under privileged to such knowledge with the hope of getting a better understanding of how we have all involved.... love it Joe an thank u... 8:38

[@MrHeuristics]

I just shouted "Edward Witten" three times and Neil deGrasse Tyson burst through my wall like the Kool-aid Man and tackled me.

[@perceptoshmegington3371]

Like Neil DeGrasse Tyson needs to be summoned to do that

[@ogpunyama683]

Oh yeah!!

[@nakdad]

Haha

[@Parmenion-dy4tu]

He came out and shouted “do you have any idea how many genders there are?”

[@fgamez1857]

Dud.

[@Fingolfin3423]

One of the things that a lot of people don't understand about the research, scientific, and academic world is that there's a lot of groupthink, intimidation, silencing, and general control of the direction of the work. You would think this wouldn't be the case since the whole purpose of those professions is to open up debate and different directions of research. In reality, a lot of debate is shut down. Some of these people in the "high-brow" area don't want real challenge and debate. They've invested their lives into their work, and they don't want it to be for naught, even if it's wrong. There's huge amounts of money and prestige involved. Since they're "intellectual titans," they control the inner circle in various ways. As Eric said, you just get labeled as a quack, conspiracy theorist, or low-brow scientist if you challenge these sacred cows.

[@frodej6640]

I have noticed this. They throw lots of argument for not debating in the open, and it is clear they want debate to happen in closed room. The only reason for this is to control the narrative. Everyone should read research themselves. It takes a bit time to get used to the language and concepts, but the more you investigate and learn about a field, it gets easier to discover the trickery used. Fraud is very common.

[@sourceawry4035]

Exactly. He is a Dread Pirate Roberts of scientific research. Those seated as heads of the science departments at the universities will simply refuse submissions requesting their review. They return them unopened, then blacklist the person who submits it, so they can't get published. It's dirty. Also, the prestige of academic awards has been diminished significantly, which should have been evident when they awarded a Nobel Peace prize to Obama, before he did anything worthy of the award. Worse, they let him keep it despite furthering the Bush era undeclared foreign war policy, which isn't peaceful. Besides all that, how on earth can someone form an opinion about how brilliant the man is if they can't even comprehend the reason he is brilliant? It is gossip and innuendo, not based on any merit, whatsoever. If people knew how these things really work, they would realize they are being mocked. Cheers!

[@liza3337]

Same as in any industry that relies on thoughts and ideas...good ideas get shot down if they don't come from the right people.

[@daveduncan2748]

The censorship-industrial complex invades every aspect of our lives these days.

[@kelleemerson9510]

So grown adults allow bullies to rule. Sad.

[@The.Tamayo]

This was a great episode while not having a clue about any of it.

[@killmenow6663]

@@bradmcmillan8028 It's not click bait. It's scientific speculation.

[@zeeman3684]

:)

[@young1939]

I did not go into quantum physics because I lacked the math skills. Now, after watching this video, I am glad I stuck to biology. Now all I have to do is define what woman is. 😉

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

Just go have sex with a man and a woman and figure out which on ends up pregnant 🤰 there ya go lol 😂

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

Goddamn, almost choked on my salted nuts.

[@guinness4822]

I applaud you! You are a brilliant scholar. 😂

[@vrnorwaynorway6048]

haha good f... luck XD

[@dr.badass702]

God, you people are obsessed😂

[@Kazordoon]

Lee Smolin, in his book The Trouble with Physics, talks about this problem, how departments and investigators won't get any funding if they go against string theory.

[@shadowdawg04]

Good read

[@LiveFree765]

Excellent book.

[@johnschuh8616]

So it is sort of like “ether”. The Church is blamed for going against Galileo, when of course it was because they were sticking to Aristotle. The academies are the modern equivalent to the Church. which had the excuse of being rattled by a civil war. Whatever happened to methodical doubt here?

[@Valkyriepedersen]

figures

[@mediacrusher]

@@johnschuh8616 Nope, Curtis Yarvin thinks that and you are a grifter so you don't even acknowledge your fascist leanings, do you?

[@berniehudder6473]

Might sound nuts, but from what he's saying it almost seems as if the upper class of Physics is keeping something from us. Am I wrong?

[@pikiwiki]

Yes! They are keeping the Secrets of the Universe from us! Why? They are the Illuminati. They have always been. They always Will Be!!

[@kimwise5528]

B.I.N.G.O.

[@Crush0819]

Indeed they don’t want to accept failure

[@imsotired212]

“They” r keeping a lot from us

[@dennisfield8443]

They probably have proof we live in a simulation but if too many people realize it then the simulation will need to be canceled. Is a thought

[@cmdr.sypher1820]

My grandfather taught physics, mathematics and electrical engineering at the Naval Academy and we had many interesting discussions about thinking outside the box. He told me to think of the box of knowledge as a prison I needed to break out of and that was the only way to advance. It's always what you think is impossible today that you will be doing tomorrow when you make the jailbreak! Eric's my internet hero and the answer to gravity lies at his and others like him feet.

[@janiceaguilar3593]

I don't ever think tht.there us a box tht exist to deter me iam the box

[@tonystephenson931]

That´s the genius of Musk.

[@ypkufl]

Cool story bro

[@mediacrusher]

He's a grifter.

[@philipambler3825]

Thankyou for that...except people feel threatened by ' outside the ' cos the box is a form of comfort zone...😊😊😊😊🙃🙃🙃🥰🥰🥰🤩🤩🤩

[@Patrick-jx1yo]

Edward Witton is brilliant, but he probably doesn’t know how to change a flat tire. My point is…nevermind, I can’t remember it.

[@fernandoamy8278]

Edward Witten, by all accounts, is an absolutely brilliant man. I've read that many people regard him as the smartest man in the world. Nevertheless, even the most brilliant people, when trying to solve some incredibly difficult problems, can sometimes be wrong. The question is: If you do believe he's wrong, who will dare challenge him?

[@allanroser1070]

Bollocks

[@leoandolino4668]

So brilliant he will not forsake what doesn't work?

[@fernandoamy8278]

@@leoandolino4668 Sure, he's only human after all. We humans are a pretty stubborn lot. I never said he was perfect and I never said he was right. I'm no physicist, I'm just talking about human nature.

[@mydogsbutler]

On what basis can we believe he's wrong to continue to pursuit string theory? He obviously knows the limitations and understands the math and physics far better than any of us. It's like a peewee baseball player trying to explain to a major league hitter how to hit. Sure its possible the kid knows better but I wouldn't bet on it. Given the available evidence, which Witten probably knows better than anyone else on the planet, I have few doubts he's making the right choice to continue to pursuit string theory. It doesn't necessarily mean string theory will pan out but even if it doesn't it can still lead to further insights.

[@tetrabromobisphenol]

@@mydogsbutler The simple answer was in the interview: because unlike ALL other successful scientists in the past, Witten has not created ANY additional theory that can be tested or falsified. Mathematically consistent, but experimentally unfalsifiable theory, is not good science, it's just "fun with math", end of story. Go read anything from Ernst Mach to understand the full implications.

[@nevbarnes1034]

I once met Hermann Bondi. He came and spoke at our school. I asked him why light, if it had mass, did not have infinite mass. I did not understand his answer.

[@Godshonestruth]

Humble brag- cough cough 😂

[@user-fb3pu3qx3t]

I knew Herman Bondi! He was a friend of my parents. I asked him a question when I was a child and I didn’t understand his answer either!

[@asdfjkl7430]

What I like about Joe is even when he doesn't understand a topic (here, he's obviously not a physicist), he still forms and asks penetrating questions, which draw out the information from the guest, who makes it simple and understandable to the average viewer, me and you. Joe is brilliant at doing this.

[@jeffebdy]

Especially if that topic is about bears

[@geejaybee]

​@@jeffebdy or Chimpanzees..!

[@infinitejest441]

He’s high as a kite. 😂

[@dr.reidsheftalltruthinscie2007]

I agree. That he is able to do this again and again tells you that Joe is very intelligent

[@UppityWhiteMan]

A honest multi- talented man.

[@HydeSkull]

I started watching this and strings started vibrating in my brain.

[@tqrules01]

There's a good reason why but the gist is, we can't have nice things that could cause pivotal societal upheaval

[@Avslappnandeljud]

Ah yes, string theory.. the road to nowhere. Now G string theory on the other hand, always leads to a special place each and every time. I almost ended up in a black hole once but that's a story for another day. Be careful, wear your space suits.

[@mmblue3986]

😂

[@raketensven3127]

👏

[@traceytansley1659]

Lol

[@phatphil7836]

You did the 1000-yard stare into the deep dark abyss.

[@exqsit]

Ha ha 👍

[@paulm749]

Yeah, string theory. Now let's do an honest, no-holds-barred examination of "dark energy" and "dark matter". At best, all these concepts appear to be little more than place-holders to represent phenomena nobody really understands.

[@araaraaura1887]

That's exactly why dark energy and dark matter are labeled "dark". It's an explicit admission that there are things that are causing certain observable effects that we can't explain or detect.

[@paulm749]

@@araaraaura1887 Then that should be the preface every single time those terms are brought up. I'll grant that perhaps this state of affairs is more the fault of the "science popularizers" rather than the fault of actual scientists, but if so, then scientists need to speak up more.

[@sergiomeza5389]

If you want to go down the rabbit hole of taking gravity as motion through a fourth spatial dimension and not a ‘force’, aka modified Newtonian dynamics, a lot of the gravitational issues disappear, as well as the entanglement dilemma

[@pikiwiki]

there we go.

[@dannyboywhaa3146]

@@sergiomeza5389 Like a Birkland current, for example? I think plasma theory or electric universe theory poses some interesting questions... the model is broken, for sure... but what will replace it? Early days lol 👍

[@michalchik]

Eric was one of the first in the most vociferous critics of string theory and the other fascinating but fruitless mathematical models of quantum gravity, but fortunately he's not the only one. I knew some young physicists as far back as the 1990s that were deciding not to go into string theory because they thought it was a bottomless pit. Unfortunately it sucked a lot of the intellectual life out of the field. I think Eric is right but you have to acknowledge the possibility that the string theories might still be right just extremely hard to figure out properly and test experimentally. This is a fundamental question in science, when do you abandon idea because it's just too hard to work with rather than the easy case that it's failed

[@_munkykok_]

You can make excuses for them, or simply acknowledge that they're scammers. #LongScam, #PerpetualIncomeForZeroWork, #TaxMoneyTheft

[@michalchik]

@@_munkykok_ am I making excuses for them?

[@pressb]

When do you abandon? I think might be the wrong question, maybe a mining analogy, keep digging while-ever you are hitting pay dirt i.e. if you are turning up ideas and experiments that test the ideas and results that suggest further ideas and experiments to test them . . . repeat until no ideas are generated then you down tools. I think that is Eric's jab at Tom Riddle's theorisation cult, where are experiments? where are the results?

[@RogerEssigArtist]

Extremely hard to test experimentally or utterly impossible by design.

[@michalchik]

@@RogerEssigArtist in its inception I don't think you need to suppose that it was designed to be untestable. It's very much part of a tradition moving towards Grand unification that even Einstein participated in. The problem is that the field allowed an excessive amount of post hoc revisionism, which Carl Popper warned against. Which is basically, continuing on in a research program after an experiment has failed by saying well let's take our hypothesis and modify it a bit. The open-ended nature of strength theory allowed that. I would guess that the flexibility that allowed it to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity, also allowed excessive amounts of post hoc revisionism.

[@smoozerish]

My gut feeling is that Eric is correct in questioning where this is all going at this stage

[@NickMak-m2c]

My gut feeling is I don't know enough to know one way or the other but it's a compelling enough argument to explore

[@Pumpkinking64]

Couldn't disagree more... Eric is a notorious erratic who shills for anything fringe enough to boost his ego and fame. His claims here are theatrical. I would lean towards trusting a much more measured and reasonable person like Sean Carroll on the subject.

[@nortonwedge]

@@Pumpkinking64 I love that people Eric exist, but i would agree that he may not be the most reliable source. However, someone like Sabine Hossenfelder similarly challenges established fields that are longer producing results.

[@pretzelboi64]

He's definitely right about the whole speed of light is the speed of causality assumption. The light cone from Minkowski's spacetime is a literal assumption with no real world proof to date. It's a belief shared by many physicists but it doesn't make it the truth for the same reason the shared belief in God from Christians doesn't mean God exists

[@BennyKsBandwidth]

The abilities of Eric Weinstein and his brother Brett to create connecting analogies and explain in lamens terms something complicated is amazing and is a huge reason they were great professors.

[@redouanedahhani7000]

Been a long time fan of Eric, and lately I'm browsing some videos on him, and I'm dumbfounded to find that a lot of people think he's arrogant and not a genius, despite him being really good at communicating the most complex of ideas in layman terms most of the time. Average people are massive idiots and think they can tell what genius or intelligence are. 🤦

[@saintlunaticv3602]

They sound really smart talking about theories that have never been proven. Including gravity.

@@saintlunaticv3602 Imbecile.

[@ScrubbersGhost]

“Layman’s terms” is the phrase you was looking for.

[@HolyCanoley]

@@redouanedahhani7000 What are your thoughts on the "Decoding the Gurus" podcast episodes about Eric?

[@imdoc7872]

Wow wow wow. This blew my mind. Ive never heard anyone contradicting relativity and string theory like him. Great interview.

[@havik7069]

Actually it was super easy and barely an inconvenience to do so!

[@Crush0819]

He has a point

[@TaTa-pe9gd]

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[@lFaizaanl]

Wasn't really contradicting Relativity, everyone knows that Relativity breaks at the centre of a black hole but it works pretty well everywhere else. It shouldn't be put in the same basket as String theory which hasn't produced anything worthwhile.

[@mediacrusher]

Wow, wow, wow, another rube conned by a grifter.

[@gilesporter2997]

I once asked this guy I know, a grad from Berkeley physics, about why N Tesla wasn't followed up on. He simply dismissed everything that Tesla had worked on.

[@jamesalexander8872]

Tesla was a clever young engineer and an insane old charlatan

[@AloisWeimar]

I once saw a comment about a guy who asked this one guy about Telsa

[@michaelking9818]

@@AloisWeimar I once saw a guy who commented on another who knew a guy that knew a girl .

[@kimwise5528]

Tesla’s work, about 80 trunks worth, were carted away by the government and you can bet they are even now being followed up on.

[@Kenshiroit]

but we have Teslas, its Elon Musk elettric car business

[@kevinoboyle8939]

I ran afoul of a, disciple of Ed Witten, string theorist back in the ‘90s. I’m pretty sure his name was Gregg Lanwebber (although my spelling is dubious), very intelligent guy but when I started criticizing String Theory in an online forum, he petulantly told everyone I had no idea what I was talking about, never supported his arguments against my criticisms and I found myself doing damage control on a personal assassination campaign that was completely outside the subject of physics, damaging my reputation as a software engineer. Hard lesson. It’s fun to watch physics sneak in a densely packed field of Higgs bosons as a way to acknowledge, without acknowledging, ordinality by avoiding the word, “Æther”. I think we need to revisit the data accumulated by Dayton Miller on æthereal entailment - the smear job Einstein orchestrated against this man is a travesty that needs to be corrected.

[@kimwise5528]

Exactly. Smacks of a controlled burn. Ride a Pale Horse.

[@AllodialTitle]

Not all research is for public consumption.

[@amberspaulding]

I love to read about science and think about it-- you can even if you can't be a scientist-- because I didn't think it was like this, I mean, smear campaigns 'completely outside the subject.'

[@mediacrusher]

So, you got into a conversation about things that are over your head, then got pouty when you were confronted with the truth.

[@kevinoboyle8939]

@@mediacrusher I’m guessing you’re just a troll but, pretending you’re not, no, the “expert”, rather than countering my arguments with salient points, refuting my naive faulty understanding, started a personal smear campaign. That, because of his (I’ll even assume deserved) reputation did me significant reputational harm in the software engineering community, despite the fact that he was unfamiliar with me or my work.

[@lunasgma7546]

I still think Barney is the smartest purple dinosaur out there.

[@varuna6089]

Michio Kaku is out of control 😂😂😂😂 That made me laugh like crazy

[@AconservativeThought]

Lololol Eric Weinstein is making me laugh throughout this entire clip. His seriousness seems overly dramatic but he is sooooo serious about it as if he is describing and exposing a huge circle of villains and how they are working to destroy the world lmfaooo when in reality he just strongly disagrees with other scientists about physics. “I am “TERRIFIED” of this man Joe.” Lololol

[@johnrobinson3852]

I think I understand these geniuses as long as the show lasts but after it's over I forget what I learned

[@krystalcloud7961]

Me too I can understand it for a brief period of time and then it’s just gone

[@filippians413]

I always think I'm smarter than I actually am when listening to actually smart people 🙃

[@Praxis71]

Ah, you never had a clue to begin with. You just think you did.

[@kimwise5528]

😂🤣😅

[@rasavastar308]

👀🙋🏾🤷🏾‍♂️😭😭😭

[@marilynpiemontese9128]

This is one of the things that keeps my fear of dying at a minimum: that the secrets of the universe will be revealed.

[@joeyyoung2952]

And He walked Among Us in the form of Jesus Christ.

[@IcyWun]

​@@joeyyoung2952😂

[@anitahamel4576]

I think know what you mean. Heaven to me is where ALL my questions will be answered. Questions about all this crap will be answered & I will know & understand everything, eg., who killed JFK, why does war exist & a million other questions I have. I can't wait LOL.

[@pCeLobster]

Sadly there's no reason to think that death will reveal anything. Even if God is real, where does it say that the secrets of the universe will be revealed when you die? I don’t remember any such promise being made. We sort of just assume it. God might remain just as mysterious to you in death as he is in life. Your consciousness might continue to exist on some level without any additional clarity about how it all works or what it means.

[@jamesmoran7511]

The answers are all around you

[@SpinStar1956]

Even as a lay-person growing up in the 50’s & 60’s, and comparing it to what goes on now (which seems mostly as more engineering refinement ), there is a huge difference you can feel; and I think the word ‘stagnation’ perfectly describes it…

[@patrickglennon7058]

A vacuum

[@chrisbova9686]

We are approaching the end of an age. They flip the religious script every 2160 years. This is the lens through which everything must be viewed in order to understand anything in the new millennium.

[@jacksonlee3771]

More like a conflagration.

[@christinarichie6171]

Devolving..

[@XXMatt0040XX]

I blame nuclear energy being given it's negative connotation. Legitimately I think it stunted humanity by a few decades.

[@billyback1038]

There is one thing that Witten doesn't understand and that is God. He's an agnostic. But he will.

[@tyroilsmoochiewallace9852]

Think about almost every area of study suffering from this same problem. The world has been cheated by people who while brilliant suffer from the human condition.

[@johnlibonati7807]

It’s nice to hear that every scientific discipline is exactly the same politically, and that is why we only get great advances when they come out of left field from sources they don’t know to destroy. Gimme a break. It’s because the “geniuses” aren’t the smartest or the best, but they are completely ruthless and 100% committed to maintaining their power.

[@jean-marclamothe8859]

Yep every individual has an Ego so are the scientists, the idiots and the genius. Wised man too have one but it is less inflated so that’s why they’re wise.

[@phaedrussmith1949]

Exactly. "Science" is essentially a commercial endeavour raised to the level of a secular religion based on ego, power and money. Remember, Clovis first!!

[@michaelqiu9722]

That’s not true. What Eric is describing is kinda only possible in a field like physics, where the subject to study is only one, i.e. the universe. In biology there’s a million thing to study, and people studying different subjects can’t really be the leader to each other.

[@lilyflower4962]

Absolutely... just look at the debacle in medicine in the last three years! Remember the guy who said "I AM the science."??!!

[@MiG2880]

And unfortunately, academia is not known for its free thinkers. For the most part, it's an exercise in conformity - to primitive social hierarchies. Asking new and original ideas of such an indoctrinated and self-serving people is bound to end in disappointment.

[@pamelahomeyer748]

I'm so sick of the government spending money on ridiculous research and projects year after year and denying proper Health Care to people. I'd rather see people being reimbursed some for becoming nurses or doctors and cities being guaranteed better water

[@deborahdean8867]

The only people preventing good healthcare is stupid and greedy doctors, not the government except to the point Congress does whatever they're told by lobbyists.

[@zoomermushroom6288]

Irrelevant

[@raketensven3127]

If everyone would think like this, we'd still be cavemen or extinct.

[@TheQueenRulesAll]

Science has always been this way from the earth being the center of the universe. The man who came up with plate techtonics was called a pseudo-scientist when he first presented it. Eventually, if those involved do not give up, the truth will become self-evident.

[@amberspaulding]

It's a strange thing that plate techtonics was so obvious for everyone to see for about one hundred years before that person came forward and formally described it, they say.

[@Wayne--O]

@amberspaulding Also strange that cultures like the Hopi and others likely recognized the earth wasn't the center of the universe before it was formally established

[@sunshinewalker6074]

Plate Tectonics. In fith grade during Geography class, raised my hand and Told my Teacher that from looking at the Map of the Earth, it.looked like all the Continents were connected..I told him that the crust of the Earth probably floated over time on the Magma under it as Magma came up from deep in the Earth it pushed the land apart. That idea just hit me out of nowhere. My Teacher looked at the Map looked back at me as said: " WE ARE STUDYING ABOUT ITALY, Howabout you pay attention. You might learn.something". The Classmates laughed and I felt really stupid. Who knew ?

[@BaldurGunnarsson]

@@sunshinewalker6074 - The teacher might in fact have learned something, had she paid attention to what you said. That's what good teachers do. Obviously she wasn't one.

[@mediacrusher]

@@sunshinewalker6074 Sounds like a dream you had, btw, unless you were in school in the mid sixties, Tectonics was proven with evidence in then. No one called his a crank, because he was a scientist, unlike Eric. Try reading this since you don't know the history. "Around the start of the twentieth century, various theorists unsuccessfully attempted to explain the many geographical, geological, and biological continuities between continents. In 1912, the meteorologist Alfred Wegener described what he called continental drift, an idea that culminated fifty years later in the modern theory of plate tectonics.[48] Wegener expanded his theory in his 1915 book The Origin of Continents and Oceans.[49] Starting from the idea (also expressed by his forerunners) that the present continents once formed a single land mass (later called Pangaea), Wegener suggested that these separated and drifted apart, likening them to "icebergs" of low density sial floating on a sea of denser sima.[50][51] Supporting evidence for the idea came from the dove-tailing outlines of South America's east coast and Africa's west coast Antonio Snider-Pellegrini had drawn on his maps, and from the matching of the rock formations along these edges. Confirmation of their previous contiguous nature also came from the fossil plants Glossopteris and Gangamopteris, and the therapsid or mammal-like reptile Lystrosaurus, all widely distributed over South America, Africa, Antarctica, India, and Australia. The evidence for such an erstwhile joining of these continents was patent to field geologists working in the southern hemisphere. The South African Alex du Toit put together a mass of such information in his 1937 publication Our Wandering Continents, and went further than Wegener in recognising the strong links between the Gondwana fragments. Wegener's work was initially not widely accepted, in part due to a lack of detailed evidence but mostly because of the lack of a reasonable physically supported mechanism. Earth might have a solid crust and mantle and a liquid core, but there seemed to be no way that portions of the crust could move around. Many distinguished scientists of the time, such as Harold Jeffreys and Charles Schuchert, were outspoken critics of continental drift. Despite much opposition, the view of continental drift gained support and a lively debate started between "drifters" or "mobilists" (proponents of the theory) and "fixists" (opponents). During the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, the former reached important milestones proposing that convection currents might have driven the plate movements, and that spreading may have occurred below the sea within the oceanic crust. Concepts close to the elements of plate tectonics were proposed by geophysicists and geologists (both fixists and mobilists) like Vening-Meinesz, Holmes, and Umbgrove. In 1941, Otto Ampferer described, in his publication "Thoughts on the motion picture of the Atlantic region",[52] processes that anticipated seafloor spreading and subduction.[53][54] One of the first pieces of geophysical evidence that was used to support the movement of lithospheric plates came from paleomagnetism. This is based on the fact that rocks of different ages show a variable magnetic field direction, evidenced by studies since the mid-nineteenth century. The magnetic north and south poles reverse through time, and, especially important in paleotectonic studies, the relative position of the magnetic north pole varies through time. Initially, during the first half of the twentieth century, the latter phenomenon was explained by introducing what was called "polar wander" (see apparent polar wander) (i.e., it was assumed that the north pole location had been shifting through time). An alternative explanation, though, was that the continents had moved (shifted and rotated) relative to the north pole, and each continent, in fact, shows its own "polar wander path". During the late 1950s, it was successfully shown on two occasions that these data could show the validity of continental drift: by Keith Runcorn in a paper in 1956,[55] and by Warren Carey in a symposium held in March 1956.[56] The second piece of evidence in support of continental drift came during the late 1950s and early 60s from data on the bathymetry of the deep ocean floors and the nature of the oceanic crust such as magnetic properties and, more generally, with the development of marine geology[57] which gave evidence for the association of seafloor spreading along the mid-oceanic ridges and magnetic field reversals, published between 1959 and 1963 by Heezen, Dietz, Hess, Mason, Vine & Matthews, and Morley.[58] Simultaneous advances in early seismic imaging techniques in and around Wadati-Benioff zones along the trenches bounding many continental margins, together with many other geophysical (e.g., gravimetric) and geological observations, showed how the oceanic crust could disappear into the mantle, providing the mechanism to balance the extension of the ocean basins with shortening along its margins. All this evidence, both from the ocean floor and from the continental margins, made it clear around 1965 that continental drift was feasible. The theory of plate tectonics was defined in a series of papers between 1965 and 1967. The theory revolutionized the Earth sciences, explaining a diverse range of geological phenomena and their implications in other studies such as paleogeography and paleobiology." Wegner did't have proof or a mechanism to drive the theory, very quickly there were scientists on both sides debating the issue. No one of any scientific caliber is debating Eric on anything because he is a racist that's full of shit, just like his brother.

[@joeanon5788]

Edward Witten is an American mathematical physicist who was born on August 26, 1951 in Baltimore, Maryland. He is known for his work in superstring theory and quantum field theory. In 1990, he was awarded the Fields Medal for his work in superstring theory. He also received the Dirac Medal from the International Centre for Theoretical Physics in 1985

[@lFaizaanl]

He won mathematical awards. Failed to win any physics awards because he hasn't produced anything groundbreaking in the field of physics

[@timeWaster76]

@@lFaizaanl Most of his achievements are for mythical magical thinking that's ok same as Einstein but Einstein n was proven correct. Weinstien rhymes with Eisenstein so Eric figures he deserves his own Nobel

[@jackbizzell1163]

Is he the real Sheldon Cooper?

[@flowerpt]

What Eric is actually afraid of is saying where the talented non-QG postdocs get jobs. Ed Witten is a shibboleth to let us know about the other end of the dipole. If you know North you know South, capiche?

[@thecelt4807]

people are more concerned with being right , instead of whats right , no matter the subject topic , thats my half a century observation , i dont care who is right just that it is right or correct

[@budkingston3347]

Especially when funding is involved

[@ronunderwood5771]

The old “do you want to right or effective?” Rarely can you be both.

[@mrgolfdogs]

I am totally interested in what the man is talking about I just wish my brain was twice the size of what it is so I could possibly understand what he is talking about.Love your show Joe so interesting and different.

[@Dan-pd9ys]

Watching Eric Weinstein trying to break this down in laymen terms is funny haha. Also my brain literally hurts listening to this

[@andrewgibb8846]

Eric makes a great point, if Quantum Gravity exists, then it should be proven with data. Good lord, are all these scientists chasing their tails to gain the respect of Edward Whitton?

[@frankdooley6451]

The answer is money.

[@e.l.norton]

This "quackery" exists in every arena. Our entire civilization is built upon fictional narratives. Emperors with no clothes.

[@jetsengoytredkl]

Fictional narratives mean lots of money. True narratives not so much…..

[@KieranMckean]

I've seen string theory discussions and decided that it was an elitist concept that has no merit.

[@pjmlegrande]

Well, that settles it then!

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

It’s unfalsifiable.

[@historyre-visited4597]

Sounds like a scientific field made up by uber smart sorts who figure out early on how to appear busy and deep, while goofin' off or pursuing 'real' research out of the pesky eyes of oversite.

[@Jeremiah-f8h]

It would be over 20 years ago now, but as an amateur, I jumped into this stuff pretty deep. My conclusion back then was that it was bullshit. I couldn’t get it to compute. The physics world, well really the academic world in general, is a “group think” cesspool. On top of that, it breeds the same. So when you look at areas of government like international relations - intelligence work for example, you see the same kind of garbage taking place. That’s how we get WMD’s that no longer exist leading to a war. I understand I went off topic in a sense, but the point is, the system is grossly flawed and counter productive. It desperately needs an overhaul.

[@MikeB-q8v]

I have sympathy for the people who have struggled so hard and long for little payback, but I remember Freeman Dyson said it was a miracle we could write down partial differential equations, never mind solve them. Remember how long it took to find renormalization. The Dirac equation was the late 20s and Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonanga and others were the late 40s. Marrying relativity and quantum field theory looks to be much harder than renormalization. Lord knows when or even if we will solve it.

[@tetrabromobisphenol]

It's ironic that you mention renormalization, because renormalization is another form of quackery that has no physical basis, it's just done to arbitrarily get rid of infinities that are "inconvenient".

[@kimwise5528]

@@tetrabromobisphenol You mean like “blind” testing and placebos? Perfectly legitimate options.

[@tetrabromobisphenol]

@@kimwise5528 you very clearly have absolutely no clue what renormalization is if you're talking about placebos and control groups.

[@derekluna7700]

@@tetrabromobisphenol I've been saying a lot of modern physics is garbage because they are trying to garner physical information from purely mathematical information. So mathematically it "works out" but that does not imply there is an actual physical basis for any of this shit! One can usually not simply go back and forth between these interpretations (at least no flawlessly) Thanks for spreading the word.

[@frede1905]

@@tetrabromobisphenol Late comment, but what makes you draw this conclusion about renormalization? Renormalization doesn't change the underlying theory; sure, you need to let various bare values go to infinite quantities to get finite values at the end, but you don't add extra ingredients to the theory. Presumably the need for renormalization tells us that quantum field theory is not the fundamental theory, but probably an effective theory of some sort. Just like the situation with classical electrodynamics and the problem with the mass of point charges there; here, you also need to take the bare mass to minus infinity to get a finite mass at the end. This doesn't tell us that classical electrodynamics is wrong, only that the concept of point particles is an approximation/idealization. The process of "renormalizing" the mass in this instance, like renormalization in QFT, lets us get finite, sensible answers out of an effective theory without having to know any details of the underlying theory (for instance, no details of what an actual "extended" charge in classical electrodynamics is needed to deal with (approximate) point charges, exactly because the renormalization of the mass "smooths" away such details). Just like the renormalization of the mass in classical electrodynamics is not "quackery" or something, I don't see why one should be extra skeptical of renormalization in QFT.

[@chesspain6704]

As soon as the crystal loving energy feeling Karens start using the word quantum to justify their crazy thinking about homeopathic remedies... its going to become bogus

[@vanceforrest4085]

I absolutely love listening to Eric talk…and absolutely have no idea what he’s saying 👍🏻

[@vvanderer]

Nor does he. Q uack. quack

[@lynnroberts76]

Oh, it’s so much clearer now. 🤣

[@jorgesantiago7694]

Fantasy and vanity can’t stop the Time is Finished ✔️ ✔️✔️ take your moon and your star’s and your rain and your sun and forever erase your Fantasy

[@buca512boxer]

Eric is totally right, on all that.

[@markrussell2233]

Unified field fell out of favour because it means accessibility to free energy! Of course it will be avoided

[@eveclancy3288]

Sounds like Eric Weinstein is begging to have a panel discussion with Edward Witten. Someone make it happen!

[@kimwise5528]

Wait. Let me get the popcorn.

[@davidbrisbane7206]

Nope, Eric would be crushed even if String Theory is nonsense 😂.

[@BrianBull]

This clip is AMAZING I am so glad Eric exists

[@TaTa-pe9gd]

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[@jamesmoran7511]

He is as wrong as all the other physicists. Talk talk talk, no answers

[@ObiWill1]

The problem here is the human ego. Just because people do something a certain way for a long time doesn't mean it's dumb or disrespectful for you to try something different. That's how advancements are made. What a great man Einstein would of been had he kept his opinions to himself & never strayed too far from what he was taught right?

[@pretzelboi64]

Einstein is literal proof of everything Eric said here. When he first came up with special relativity, people around him thought he was full of shit for challenging Newton. Now, he's the new Newton and needs to be challenged himself

[@shizune6273]

I love this type of discussion/subject matter. It's so out there, so intellectually intriguing for not-so smart people like me. I also like Weintsein's tone of voice--very easy to listen to.

[@doracotterell2863]

Yes, I also enjoy his voice as opposed to Neil deGrasse Tyson who is a bit too loud for me.

[@TaTa-pe9gd]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoWsYZ2qp5t0htk

[@JS-oy6nn]

I think the fact that craft are currently flying in our atmosphere that can break every rule In physics is proof enough for me that antigravidic’s do indeed work. I think it takes some explanation from a different species to cross the i’s and dot the T’s so to speak…

[@gypsyjengypsydogs9320]

This man just explained something in a way that my average brain understood. The moment he explained the positive and negative gravitational energy, and the way it behaves, three different lingering questions in my brain all of the sudden made sense. I get it. I can now watch videos about anti gravity travel or quantum gravity and finally understand around five to twenty percent of what I hear. 😊I'm kidding. He actually explains things in ways that are easy to understand. I'd imagine other people feel the same way. It really does feel good to get it. I'm gonna smoke some weed now and learn a little more

[@gustavonava7776]

Yeah!!! weed is powerful to understand but remember, it's a doble edged sword.

[@gypsyjengypsydogs9320]

@@gustavonava7776 Yep. Two edges that equal delight.

[@gustavonava7776]

@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320 yeah, If not ask John Jones

[@gypsyjengypsydogs9320]

@@gustavonava7776 I may regret this but who is John Jones?

[@gustavonava7776]

@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320 jajajaja don't worry, it's the goat of mma, he had a lot of problems because he abusesd weed and alcohol and almost lose everything. He was on the JRE podcast and talked about all that.

[@aleksandartomic5515]

Edward Witten by his string theory ruin lifes with pointless string theory to many scientists But lets worship him and praise him that manage to do to so many scientists.String theory is dead also careers of scientist following him. But his remarcable mind manage to get many field medals and prosper on his string theory.

[@PeteWildman-w3e]

Eric Weinstein does a lot of name dropping and hinting at things, but in reality he says very little of substance at all.

[@Bubs0271]

This was SUCH a good episode

[@ssorcnivek]

Wonderful. A great listen. It would be wonderful to hear some more answers to the meaning of the universe and everything .

[@kristjiannne]

The meaning of life, the universe and everything -Douglas Adams

[@carlgranados7106]

I a toddler understanding Physics and I'm sure Joe Rogan is not much better so it's interesting he sometimes has these types of discussions to an audience that knows it even less. Kudos to him.

[@ManyHeavens42]

Don't you think that If you can make an Electric Magnet you can make an Electric Shield. Dark Energy

[@soul2soul399]

Sounds like a cult forming to protect ego.

[@jackadoni]

Eric is right. But most ppl practice union job dragging- extending a nowhere bridge just to stay employed. And smart ppl are no different.

[@phantompanther648]

Woah........ ( I've suspected...same..)

[@danielvizzerra4071]

People who have a union job aren't smart huh? You must be a really smart huh??

[@phantompanther648]

@@danielvizzerra4071 Do you comprehend what he's saying ...? People in Scientific research positions , are just " punching in , and punching out .."

[@collybeans586]

@@danielvizzerra4071 Exactly. An oxymoron.

[@borninvincible]

Most people? Please, share your source for that claim with us.

[@Rekthief]

The video editor did a good job editing the smoke coming out of Joe’s ears

[@aaronpotter7025]

It's going down in the Quantum Physics community!

[@SaraVV]

1:38 "Never made contact with the physical world." I don't agree. Witten won the Fields Medal. That is a BIG deal.

[@RogerEssigArtist]

I am disturbed by the fact that there's a strange connection to the UAP problem with all of this.

[@RileyRampant]

I'm totally convinced. Don't ask me about what, but this guy is very convincing..

[@saxophone.4513]

So refreshing to listen to intelligence when surrounded in a world of lies.

[@ironmurs6903]

“Come at me bro…I’m debatin all y’all mutha fuckin physicist!” Eric Weinstein

[@mediacrusher]

He's debated no-one because he is a fraud and real scientists don't even care about him, let alone debate him. He's podcasting grifter.

[@thelimey351]

I’ve looked up Edward Witten, he’s a genius amongst geniuses - there is something badly wrong with a society where some people can name all of the Kardashians but don’t want to know who this dude is…

[@alimin8r201]

This guy is talking about competing theories and that’s okay. I think the theories from the late physicist Walt Thornhill are spot on, those ideas can be found at the KZbin channel The Thunderbolts Project.

[@onlyonecannoli3952]

What you need here...nay, who we need here...is arguably the greatest mind in science, according to him. The master of everything, the know it all of know it all's, the one and only...drum role please...Neil DeGrasse "I'm an expert on everything" Tyson. He'll show you the way Eric! Fear not...he'll show you the way!

[@nyali2]

🤣🤣

[@rennoir2454]

I can't stand that fackin NDT.

[@spaceted3977]

Neil de Grasse Tyson's Website could not Explain how the Nylon Flag stood up to he Searing Temperaure on the Moon !!!! He is nowhere near as Clever as Edward Witten, it's just that you don't understand him !!!!

[@gilesporter2997]

Neil is a just a well paid clown.

[@junebyrne4491]

He talked about string theory and what he said was something about errors. But did not understand well enough to remember.

[@cu6454]

Hope he makes some progress and gets somewhere 🥺

[@spokesperson_usa]

Crackpot physics is always always always talk show only, never LaTex, Eric the crackpot will never do his LaTex homework.

[@shawnholey6976]

I fear nothing, but my own sins! Death is only the beginning! Thank you Jesus, for your guidance!❤❤❤❤🙏🙏

[@kaylynnhuddleston5533]

ITS THE huge black wig for me!!

[@alexeilindes7507]

This is so sad... physics is stuck..

[@tylerdavis8834]

It's been stuck since string theory.. this ain't new.

[@heatmoon]

I don't think so. I think discoveries are being made relatively frequently, whether than be in the large hadron collider or through data we are gathering with new sensors for gravitational waves and our better yet the James Webb telescope. Yes, Physics discoveries are being made and they are coming from all directions. Everybody has a line to sell, and this mans line is telling us that there is all kinds of disagreement in Physics, which there just isn't. Sure, lots of white papers that are crazy speculation but haven't been peer reviewed. Too often there type of unreviewed ideas are pushed into the mainstream because they are pointing towards something undiscovered or new. But, there is a whole apparatus in place called the peer review process in science that flushes these quack ideas out. Its an apparatus created to put every scientist on the same page and stifle disagreements about facts like what we see in politics. Personalizing physics into anything beyond the hard numbers and making it about personalities is a mistake, especially if you are going to be a name caller, its childish and not very scientific

[@alexeilindes7507]

@tylerdavis8834 it's extremely New. He is the one talking about it atm.

[@tylerdavis8834]

@@alexeilindes7507 things I've heard him and others say suggest it's been going on for years at this point

[@Lucky-sh1dm]

All these “scientists” did for us was use these sciences to build nuclear weapons pretty much solidifying our fate as a species that at some point were all gonna die in its wrath. This is an entire society run by literal mad scientists

[@davidchase9424]

They didn't want that technology to be known/available to the public because then the establishment would lose control and profit.

[@natestakely1478]

The Trinity playing ping pong with the limbless.

[@margotschlosser6490]

If there has never been a big bang either ? It's as well just and idea on which some people have been extrapolating :-)

[@karmasutra4774]

I always figured we are just trying to make sense of what we know and it is more of a visual for us to understand the concept. Doubt it was exactly like they have taught us. We just don't have all the information and may never have it. It's fun and frustrating to ponder 😂

[@mindhunter8772]

The prison that Einstein built: E=mc² 🤔

[@therandomclark]

No offense to either gentlemen, but I’m not convinced that Einstein left us a prison…..but a padded room with a lock and a key. Our move.

[@heatmoon]

You are in the business of selling the idea that Physics is in a confused state with all kinds of disharmony among scholars is incorrect, but if it puts you at the top of a playlist perhaps that mission accomplished?

[@riverocean4380]

Trumpets spinning conspiracy theories all day. They sell attract nut bars !!

[@610vegas]

That's not what he is saying at all. Literally the opposite, that their isn;t disharmony and zero confusion about things that do not really work and this is hoovering up the tallent for 70 years.

[@kimwise5528]

What he 👆🏼said. Well said John P

[@poptartmadison3216]

Let's face it, Joe talks like he's following but Joe doesn't enough about Quantum Gravity/Unified Theory to know if anything Weinstein is saying is true or not

[@SaltyBob355]

He reads ppl and has a pretty good BS detector.

[@colinwright5157]

Can anyone explain to me why there is very little pure physics done today? Remember electromagnetism is not a done job why are the B and E fields at 90 degrees? Why is there a vacuum of space? A vacuum has to be contained in a vessel just like a fusion plasma has to contained in a magnetic field. It appears to me that too much time is being taken up by the mathematics of string theiory. Etc…

[@coder-x7440]

The only part that I don’t like about this challenge to string theory is that it hinges not on ideas but of fear on being wrong. Eric is afraid of Ed because he is afraid Ed can at least to the audience be they laypeople or his peers in math and physics, embarrass him. If he believes not in the strength of his genius but the soundness of his argument, an army of Ed wittens and newtons and Einstein’s would be a welcome test of the argument.

[@chinweanthony2400]

Love this❤

[@guysanne412]

That seems to be a dumb statement….I am “terrified of that man” come on, he puts his pants on one leg at a time.

[@Allenmarshall]

I do a great impression of this guy

[@paulg444]

Eric is a truly courageous man. Gravity is just too weak a force to ever validate as a quantum phenomena. Consider the electrostatic force to mass ratio of two electrons it is incredibly large compared to gravity. There is no way to ever directly observe a quantum of gravity.

[@JM-ig4ed]

I've listened to Eric many times - he likes to through out these lofty things without fully explaining himself I think so he can be super intellectual but in such vague terms no one can follow him.

[@paolee2730]

"kaku" is out of control?! Sounds like someone is edging him as a threat.

[@chuckliquor3663]

I'm just a layman, but I have always thought thought that the field of physics was kind of quacky. I mean, Einstein's explanation is sophisticated, but it only works as a thought experiment. You can imagine Einstwin's gravity if you explain it with a 2-dimensional grid, but I can't imagine it as a 3 dimensional matrix. And it really goes right back to Newton. Like, in his own day Newton was accused of injecting mysticism into ths natural sciences with his concept of forces, and we still don't know what forces are, we can just observe their effects. I think the linguistic phycisists have a point, abstract math has dominated physics for too long, and maybe we need to be able to describe physical phenomena in a sensible way, rather than just dallying with equations.

[@chuckliquor3663]

I think there is a desire to mythologize science. We are anthropoadoris, "worshipping man", we seek objects of worship, and will build idols for the purposes of worship. I found a phrase a few years back that I love: "Science is a method, not a position."

[@RM-lv9ng]

I get this! We are asking the wrong questions!

[@ManyHeavens42]

Hold it, That's like saying we can't make force fields. Our of this stuff you know it.

[@sana-cm7oc]

Love listening to Weinstein. Witten is smart enough to never do anything that can be tested by observation. He is essentially a mathematical philosopher.

[@triumphantape]

Weinstein talks a lot but never says anything.

[@Paradys8]

Great video!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻