ESO - PvP Damage Mitigation and Critical Resistance Explained

[@kyngrigid4562]

Bro I remember when you first started hell even a year ago your videos were just normal videos you have honestly come a long way and I think everyone can definitely tell you kicked up a gear and started to take this more serious good for you bro you have my full support

[@kyngrigid4562]

BTW can you do the math and tell me why my healing ward don't work 50% of the time 🤣😂

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Thanks bro. ❤ Healing ward probably don't work cause 50% of the time skills dont😭🥲😅🤣

[@XxBlackIce671xX]

Agreed Went from being normal channel to being a top guide/tip trick/ builds/ pvp channel. Don’t stop g

[@TomSweeney89]

@@kyngrigid4562 Your healing ward could be going on someone else.

[@fredeso7844]

Excellent! I didn't even know about the default hidden 10% mitigation every player has. A lot of information crammed into 12 minutes. Well done! There is just one thing and it's a major one regarding Battle Spirit. You say the new Battle Spririt will make a 9% difference. That is technically true and I used to think about the math in the same way until someone corrected me. Not a technical correction, but a matter of perspective. You see, in PvP we never take 100% damage. We only take a fraction of the damage an NPC would take, because of Battle Spirit, because of the default 10%, because of a minimum amount of armor we wear. Our baseline for the damage we take is therefore hovering somewhere around 50% of actual damage at all times. When viewed from that perspective, the 9% Battle Spirit change is not 9%. It is more like 18%. This is why people from the PTS are reporting everyone is really tanky.

[@cinchmccoy]

yep

[@zzzICERzzz]

I had to re-watch on certain sections since I couldn't keep up with the math lol awesome vid!

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Feel free it's alot of info

[@klins1010]

As usual I learn something new on every video u put out... know that we do appreciate all the time u took to crunch out those numbers... haven't met any other eso content creator that goes into complicated details and make them very understandable... props to u bro and keep putting these videos out cos it helps more than u know....

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Thanks man much appreciated

[@fredeso7844]

Of course another perspective that I've come to believe recently is that it's not ZOS who determine the tank meta. It's the players! Nightblades usually drive that point home and are possibly on the cutting edge of how the game is balanced. There is only a certain amount of ganking power players will tolerate. Experienced players need to build tanky so they can 1vX bad players. Once you pass a certain threshold into squishiness your attack collapses. You get too busy with active defense. That is expensive too, so your sustain collapses. On the other hand, if you are an inexperienced player, you just want to survive and you may build tanky without having a good offense (yet). No one likes to be killed excessively. On PC EU people are just tankier again. Give a few weeks or maybe 2 months and the playerbase actively chooses a certain level of tankiness as a whole. The gank build outliers, the crazy 1 shot stamsorcs, they even seem to have subsided, probably from lacking enough targets or because of the extreme squishiness of those builds. I could be wrong ... I play less now ... but that is how it seems to me. So what will change? What will change are the builds and armor sets. Instead of half the population wearing Pariah, more aggressive set combinations will come back in vogue. What will also change are the outliers. If the meta as a whole is squishier like now, that favors nightblades, but also stealth and damage avoidance (movement / speed based) builds in general. If it is tankier, those builds will be blunted and extreme (werewolf or whatever) tanks will be possible again. The people who are not playing the extreme builds however, which is probably 90% of the population, they will just settle on the same level of tankiness they always had. It will only take a bit of time and different armor sets.

[@bryanbowen4193]

Perfectly stated. My current magplar is too squish atm to be competitive so just as you stated I am constantly spamming heals instead of jabs.

[@flextime6349]

What would that threshold of squishiness look like in numbers?

[@fredeso7844]

@@flextime6349 Hahaha, I wish I could answer that. I first encountered this phenomenon years ago on my stam DK, when I always lost against a mag DK friend. This turned around drastically, much to my friend's consternation, when I build a little tankier. I could stay on the attack longer and suddenly I was pressuring him and I won every duel thereafter. I kind of think you need to maximise your attack to defense ratio. It doesn't matter whether you do high damage or low damage, whether you are tanky or squishy. In a duel the person with the best damage to defense ratio wins - assuming you are not both so tanky that you stalemate. This is best exemplified by, say, a stamblade versus a stam DK scenario. Leaving aside the ebb and flow of the duel, either of these characters may just be plain stronger than the other. The nightblade typically achieves this by having very high damage, so they can seriously put you on the back foot until they have to Shadow Image out for some reason. A stam DK, on the other hand is typically a much tankier setup. This might seem obvious, but the question is, when you plot a characters damage against the damage they can absorb, how wide is the gap. The character with the widest gap is likely to win the fight. This is a very simplistic argument that ignores damage avoidance versus healing, shielding and just plain passively tanky playstyles. However every now and again you really feel that damage versus defense factor seriously being tilted to favor one party. The most obvious class that illustrates this issue is magplar. The typical way to build one is to combine tankiness with high damage. Indeed, I think the reason the Sweeps and Jabs tooltips were designed by ZOS to be so insanely high is that these are pressure classes and need to be played really agressively or be backed into a corner. Magplar is especially known for the difficulty of getting off their back bar when you start spamming Honor the Dead. You could say that's down to a bad playstyle or a bad build or both, but it precisely illustrates the point. Pirate Skeleton was the go to set for magplar in the past, unless you were really adept at dishing out the damage, which probably has to do with your positioning and movement when you spam Sweeps.

[@fredeso7844]

​@@flextime6349 Sorry, I was rambling in my other post. It's a hard question to answer. I can only see, by how hard it is to kill players now versus the beginning of this (and the last) patch that people adjust. They build for a certain level of tankiness, if they can.

[@flextime6349]

@@fredeso7844 that actually helped a lot

[@thetacticspost4363]

Great video and very informative. Can you do a video digging into impen vs reinforced and explain why (mathematically) impen seems to be best in slot? Maybe using examples like vs ganker and vs stamcro so we can see the tradeoff of choosing impen/ reinforced relative to each other.

[@balduzztar]

Nice video, thanks! Let's give an example for NORMAL DAMAGE; Our damage gonna be %75 mitigated (include everything, battle spirit, our penetration etc.) and our skill tooltip says 10.000 damage. So we hit for 2.500 damage. Example for CRITICAL DAMAGE; We have %170 crit damage and enemy has %20 crit resistance. We are gonna hit for %150 damage when it is critical. Skill tooltip says 10.000 damage. Our damage should be 15.000 now but enemy has %75 damage mitigation total (include everything, battle spirit, our penetration etc.). So we hit for 3.750 damage. Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

[@eyr0n_ESO]

Exellent work as always man ! I did look into that a while ago but it was hella confusing you made it a lot more clear thanks ! Much good vibes on ya !

[@heathsmetalwerx]

Best insight video on eso ever!!! Thank you sir!

[@zxtreme2]

To add just a bit to this conversation the build editor does this whole formula for you in its dedicated mitigation tab. Plug the build you're running or considering running apply all your buffs and you can get these same results probably faster than what most people will be able to with doing the equation by themselves.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

For sure, but I think there is some value in the "Why does this work like this" so you can quickly and easily understand what gives more mitigation just by basically looking at a set.

[@Zgreasyneckz]

What's the name of this build editor?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@Zgreasyneckz USEP it's in the video description

[@silver1surfer69]

Another interesting thing that i realized at some point is that mitigation in general is multiplicative yes, but stacking resistance up to the cap (which is in my believe 33100) is additive!!! So from stacking armor you get the full value without substraction!!

[@TheRealGodzilla]

It's 33000, 50% mitigation. Meaning you can't get anymore that 50% from armor BUT it's subtractive vs other ppls penetration. So like say you have 38k resistance, but someone has 5k pen. Well you'll still be at soft cap of 33k

[@silver1surfer69]

@@TheRealGodzilla Yeah but the great thing is, that when u lets say increase from 31k to 33k u get the full value, but if u add eg potentate u dont get the +3%. because potentate is multiplicative.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@silver1surfer69 correct

[@silver1surfer69]

@@TheRealGodzilla So to give a specific example, if you add an armor set piece bonus of 1487 thats 2.2% mitigation its very likely that you gain more than adding potentate which gives 3%, but the more mitigation bonuses you gather (vampire, cp and so on), the less you gain, thats how multiplicative works (not considering the fact that pure mitigation cant be bypassed by penetration, or things like hrothgar).

[@silver1surfer69]

Thx for this great vid! I know its a very complex topic and it helps ppl a lot. I dont want to be pedantic but im very convinced its 662 Armor is 1% and 66 crit res thats 1% mitigation. I was also a long time under the impression that its 68, this comes from some threads i think but for crit we can easily check it by the tooltip from warhorn: "You and your allies gain 1320 Critical Resistance for 10 seconds, reducing incoming critical damage by 20%." 1320:20=66. Thx and cheers.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Yeah its 66 crit resistance for sure.

[@Badchocobo]

So that base crit resistance will allow for Rome more well fitted? Or have they lowered the crit resistance per piece of gear? Also thanks for the math, with my dyslexia, math makes my head hurt😩😵

[@ApexFrontier]

Solid work brother doing us all a service!

[@willdazey7368]

How does Magma Armor enter damage calculations? Is it applied before or after total mitigation is applied?

[@TheSiddyVicious]

Brought in a group of new PvP players to Imp City recently (AD). Saw your username and immediately ushered them through a door into a new district 😂 was running one of your builds though (stamplar) and really loving it.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

🤣 haha

[@TheSiddyVicious]

@@TheRealGodzilla I felt like I was in the military holding block on the door and yelling over group chat “get through! get through!” Also wanted to say: You guys wrecked us a few times for sure but were all classy about it. No teabagging or rude whispers which was a relief since so many of them are new and learning and that kind of stuff can be pretty discouraging. I’m linking some of your videos in our guild discord as resources for them because I really appreciate your attitude and the info is high quality. Keep it up!

[@jonnvessel]

I have a question….what?! Lol. I’m kidding. Great video and seriously needed. It’s still a lot of numbers to crunch from build to build. The most helpful info is the figures that equal 1%. Armor and crit resist values are not easy to find out there. The rest people just have to know is that it’s not adding numbers. That I always knew. 50% of 100 is 50. 50% of THAT is 25. It’s sorta like that. It’s not zero.

[@innothesensei]

Super helpful info bro. Could the same process be applied for pen and damage done? Or do you know if they are calculated differently?

[@itzzzRAMPAGE]

And we wonder why we got lag 🤣 and then I got to calculate a the whole server populations cp!!!! Got to love it!

[@torrent361]

Zilla giving back to the community, the real mvp

[@1848revolt]

Great vid.

[@virtualeso1706]

So basically next patch it would be kind of useless to stack even more mitigation ? Lets just all go dubble damage set 👌

[@oscarbear7498]

Bravo 👏👏 this is Exactly 💯 what a video should be. Math proves, your not just guessing and know what you're talking about. It's hard to find people who can do a math break down to everything so you know exactly what's going on. You did a Good job at explaining 👍 I'm not sure about this but I've heard a rumor block migration is caped at 90%, from what I understood block mitigation when blocking gets factor in first then the sea of mitigations. When I found that out I block build since it seems to behave additive of half of the percentage that gets added. I tested this myself that it does, since its added to the 50% of base block Why I switched to a stam sorc for tanking for its bound Aegis(gives 40% more block which is actually plus 20% to the base 50%) so with S&B passives, in 5 medium armor, cp , I could at reach 90%. When resistance got added, at 33000 I noticed my mitigation was at 95%, which made me think resistance weren't as great as I thought since block mitigation did 90% of the work and Max resistance would give 5% mitigation. I haven't tested or tried but with footman from VDSA set and some cp you could get the block mitigation to 100% for no damage taken but I've never test it out , most I've done is up to 90%. Idk I thought it was interesting, not sure if there is an exploit there to be found in blocking, maybe you can further look into blocking 🤔

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Thanks bro I'll look into it✊💯

[@ZDavidH]

Thicc assss vid! Very well explained!

[@TomSweeney89]

4:17, The bottom equation has an extra parentheses, the third 1 in? and a closed one missing directly after the word RESISTANCE?

[@Sittinhere]

Off-topic here. But o was watching your stam sorc stream earlier that you did a few days ago. Do you have a video on that build by any chance? Curious has to what gear and skills you are running

[@TheRealGodzilla]

No I don't, this build is pretty much all over KZbin I did my own few adjustments. But stop by the stream and I'll tell you exactly what I'm running but I don't want exactly what I have all over YT it's a little broken 🙃

[@Sittinhere]

@@TheRealGodzilla seen a few but they all running different ones. Some are heartlands and deadland assassin and others ashen grip and deadland s lol

[@razo9898]

Hey man, love your videos. Any chance you could share the stamsorc build you're running in the video? I'd really appreciate it

[@ViendoUragano]

Sry for the noob question, After the crit cap, should i use nirnhoned or Impenetrable trait? (or something else?)

[@TheMorne777]

GG

[@exodium1307]

My guy 🔥🔥 your #1 fan

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Thanks bro🤙

[@eugenbarta2556]

And the 2nd question. Does impen even worth it or acrually not any more. How much crit resistance should you have in CP and hom much in NON CP Cyro?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

That leads me into that video next 🤌🤣

[@cameronharris7627]

Great video, I tried to figure out the math myself and was pleased to get the exact same results as you except for regards to crit resistance. I believe 1% crit dmg to be equal to 88 not 66 crit resist as you stated. My evidence to support this value comes straight from the sturdy war horn tool tip, it states “you and your allies gain 1320 crit resist for 10 seconds, REDUCING INCOMING CRITICAL DAMAGE BY 15%.” If my math is correct we can figure out what 1% is from there. Take 100/15= 6.66667, multiply that by what we know is 15% crit resist which is 1320. 6.66667*1320= 8,800

[@TheRealGodzilla]

You could be right but I got pretty much all of my math from USEP regardless this is a baseline to help ppl understand how it works that's the main goal

[@cameronharris7627]

@@TheRealGodzilla yes goal achieved and then some, great video man

[@vinimv12]

Hey Godzilla. Fine? Here in Brazil there are people don't have access or don't know English. With you permission, I would like to translate you video. Do you agree?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Sure

[@vinimv12]

@@TheRealGodzilla thanks bro o/

[@Snupe2001]

How you feel about crit damage nowadays

[@Xcro216]

I need to buy a new calculator but great break down 😅

[@MicHoonigan]

Nice. Does this mean that Shuffle has not the whole 20% because of the additional mitigation’s before?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Every damage mitigation type is multiplicitive so yes

[@bryanbowen4193]

It's more complex than that depending on who's inflicting the damage. Some buffs and debuffs cancel altogether like major protection and major berserk so they get removed from the overall damage calculation. I am not sure if the CP AOE buff is canceled by shuffle in this way 🤔 but it may. Being off balance or stunned also increases damage taken quite a bit promoting combos that do extreme damage per tik.

[@uglybuzzardgaming1460]

Ok...so are we better off mixing gear traits rather than stacking impen or wellfitt or reinforced?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

I'll be doing a video on that next trying to figure it out👍

[@CHAMPDOGZ]

So are you remaking this video in english ? Sorry bro couldn't make it till the end

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Lol🤣 that's as simple as I can make it in English

[@richardallison6842]

How does physical and spell penetration factor into mitigation?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Subtractive. You have to deduct someone's spell penetration from your spell resistance 1st before doing all other calculations.

[@jovanniivanaj7670]

So how does Buffer of the Swift come into play - 10% damage reduction from players. Still multiplicative?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Yes

[@wach_2280]

U lost me at what is going on guys 😂

[@joshcooper7393]

Seems like pen is going to be king next patch with the battle spirit change.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Pen has always been king honestly

[@ElGueroCrazy6]

I got a question, For pvp Is better to have more penetration and pve crit? Like idk how to build well a stam class, im thinking on spriggans and spinners for magicka for the penetration but idk what other set

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Yeah PvE is typically better for building crit. For stamina builds PvP Penetration is important but also so is stacking high weapon dmg and crit chance. There is a balance but it depends on the class you are playing first and foremost when making any build

[@ElGueroCrazy6]

@@TheRealGodzilla oh ok so what do you recommend? I got a nb with spriggans but don't know what other set that can help me out for dmg, i also hoy balorgh

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@ElGueroCrazy6 Heartland conquer with sharp weapon

[@ElGueroCrazy6]

@@TheRealGodzilla thx, now i wish i got that DLC or the new chapter

[@eugenbarta2556]

Hi. Nice video. Gotta question. Is there a cup on normal resistance 33k or no? FE if i got 45k resistanse and some NB has 20k penetration, does he hits me like i have 45-20=25k resistanse or 33-20=13k resistanse???

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Like I mentioned in the video it'd subtractive. There is no cap for resistance is your opponent has more than enough pen then you mitigation from armor can't go above 50% or 33,000 armor but if their pen is 5k and you have 38k armor you are mitiated as much dmg as possible with armor

[@eugenbarta2556]

@@TheRealGodzilla Thanks. I thought thats it works like that just wasnt shure

[@thanoskoskos3590]

@@TheRealGodzilla same question here, i am trying to figure out how much resistances should i have in no cp bgs. with pariah and gaze of sithis + ice staff heartland defending i can reach 43k without the 5pcs bonus from pariah which may look a bit too much but many people hit with more than 10k penetration. so with 43k res and 10k pen from opponent i reach the limit 33k and not possible to go more than this, is this correct?

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@thanoskoskos3590 correct 33k is Max mitigation

[@kiff4005]

Who new he's was a mathematician 👀

[@Grockstube]

What the hell happens at 0:20?

[@jon_ovo3653]

Shit I’m terrible at math but I did look at the critical part at least 5 times

[@ultiscrubgaming915]

I figured they changed the way inpen worked it used to be 66 for 1%

[@jonross6921]

Gg bro

[@therealpinkstarr1263]

Good vid!❤...🤔glad I have u 2 do this 4 me! 😁

[@TheRealGodzilla]

🥰🥰🥰 you already know babe cimf right?

[@therealpinkstarr1263]

@@TheRealGodzilla 😤

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@therealpinkstarr1263 🤭

[@iPOCK3TS]

On the treadmill doing the math running all over the dam place🙃

[@MetaDiscussions]

Professor Godzilla.

[@MetaDiscussions]

So hopefully the battle-sprit buff lowers the effectiveness of dmg mitigation. So we will see less tanks. I want my magplar to go Stuhns with war maiden, Eg.

[@tehallanaz]

I love having soft cap and getting hit for 45k

[@imududeplaynududedisguisedasa-]

I ain't smart enough for this damned game. Didn't realize I needed a college degree.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Lol

[@t.j.mcnelis3999]

zilla out here doing e=mc2......i'm out here slapping on a bulletproof vest and tellin my buddy to snipe me in the face. XD

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

The strongest mitigation Cloak As Ali said, you can't hit what your eyes can't see

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

On the real, thanks for putting this up. I found myself asking this question earlier in the week and realised I needed a refresher on mitigation

[@thegman4000]

that thumbnail.. oof lol what was the video about again? jk nice one

[@caleofcaledonia6226]

Common core never held this guy back lol.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

🤌🤣

[@splezzayanowhat6784]

How shitty will dks be in no cp.bg now

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Just fine lol

[@davidflicker249]

Well my build has up to 88% mitigation on my magden (with 30% from vamp, so when i am at 1%HP) at the current patch. I will be unkillable next patch with 32k max mag, up to 4.5k spell dmg and 9k pen. I will have to give up some mitigaton for a bit more dmg next patch i guess xD

[@GLAZEEEHD]

How are you at 88% mitigation

[@potlick18]

So, to make an advanced build of your own creation (not some KZbin tutorial build), you have to have a fucking math degree?

[@itaxevasixn8808]

Bro im literally retarded and i make solid builds. You dont have to be good at math at all to build in this game… you just have to learn mechanics and how things interact with each other in game. This video is just a very specific mathematical explanation of how eso resistances work.

[@micahbarbee8636]

Thanks Zilla, but....let's be honest here, alot of these guys are here looking for an out of the ass whooping they have coming to em! No amount of mitigation is able to mitigate the real problem here...BAD BUILDS, LACK OF SKILLS AND POOR DECISION MAKING! LMAO, with that said, if I catch any of these guys out at Davons Watch wayshrine; Haunting Curse, Streak, Pap! (Dizzying Swing), Pap! (Dizzying Swing), BOOM! (Haunting Curse), PAP! (Dizzying Swing) ...you're dead! Have a good day though everyone! 😊🤗

[@Animelover-ys3wq]

Bro build this into a mod with in game tool tips and watch the subs/patreon roll in man.

[@TheRealGodzilla]

Lol I play on console and have no clue how to make a mod. Or even really have the time 😭

[@thuglifemx2048]

Y los subtítulos-_-

[@BBRocker75]

August 31 2023.The whole TRUE is: TESO PROFESIONAL PVP IS ALL GOOD BUT NOT FUN. You need take a boring math university degree to slighty understand how it works (i understand now why after every patch pvpers scream like crazies, cuz after whole nights trying to understand how put together a set up, Beth just turn down all numbers and they need again start to study what the hell that means to they and thier toon set ups). If U WANT TO GET FUN, just wear what u want, die a lot, get some tickets, and enjoy when ur silly set up help ur alliance big moguls to kill someone. Don´t waste ur time trying to understand what can not be understood.

[@virtualeso1706]

Ho i see that the 3 proc busted stamsorc finnaly came to Ps4 😂

[@TheRealGodzilla]

No1 really ran it🤣 I put it together few days ago

[@virtualeso1706]

@@TheRealGodzilla u run 2 or 3 procs on it ? To make it perfect you need the 3 aoe procs + dawny and crystal weapon and streak 😂 its absolutly ridiculous

[@TheRealGodzilla]

@@virtualeso1706 yeah 3

[@pureimpulse7230]

All this Mitigation 😂and so much Player kill many People in 1 sec LOL 😂 what a Balance

[@AIMonsterI]

Wtf Is this thumbnail tho 😂😂

[@TheRealGodzilla]

It's nothing crazy haha🤣

[@tehallanaz]

Ngl they should not change your stats from pve to pvp it’s so dumb also monsters should be able to hit crits. Health recovery basically nothing 😂