'AN ENORMOUS DAY' ⚾ MLB officially incorporates Negro Leagues into MLB record books |

[@gemgirl2000]

I live in KC, born and raised. The Negro League Museum is a NECESSARY stop for anyone who loves the game. To see this day happen, I know that the families of these legends are like FINALLY. Hembo is right: MLB finally made good on righting the wrong.

[@JB-uk8hw]

I 100% AGREE!

[@blackice3395]

I'm going!!!✊🏿

[@Ravensflock89]

I’m going!!! It is on my bucket list

[@jgberzerker]

It’s so cool and I hope this drives people to visit.

[@derricktarver9558]

My son plays little league and we are planning to go to the Negro League Museum....we love baseball and it's the right thing by MLB.

[@RoguePatience]

I’m an old-fashioned, traditional baseball fan. But even as a young kid, I knew about Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, and Cool Papa Bell. I was always fascinated by these great players, because that’s just who they were to me: Great Players. And it mattered to me, to remember these all-time greats. That’s all.

[@diepiriye]

How much in earnings, and endorsements did they lose?

[@SirNic4180]

​@@diepiriyetoo much to count 😭

[@Kayb9753]

boy i like you! haha.. "Cool Papa Bell"

[@EE-bg1de]

What folks dont realise: its not just black players. The negro leagues also had latin players. They even challenged Japanese players too! There is such rich history in the negro leagues. Barnstorming exhibitio ns were epic too. Talked to someone who went to a game in 1938 with satchel paige allstars vs the dizzy dean allstars. One pf the few times satchels team lost.

[@TheRealPrinceG]

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[@lsowner10]

Thanks for inserting in people who are legally white into a black American conversation….

[@wannabegolfin24-72]

This is huge because MLB is a sport of numbers, stats and history. What a day of validation.

[@flame-sky7148]

Yea, the baseball record book is like canon bible or something to some people. Ye shall neither add nor take away.

[@Lane-wf2er]

Yeah, and they just incorporated the stats of players from a different league that only played 60 games per season because of leftist grievance politics.

[@ZZ-kj2pz]

Pathetic pandering. American white people are so weak for bending the knee every single time.

[@xavierb9061]

Means nothig...ratings etc must be down

[@cobbler88]

Validation, disgrace, pick a side I guess. 🤣

[@jasondavis2733]

Thank you Greeny for making this segment

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Thank you Hembo for making this segment.

[@xavierb9061]

Ratings down in mlb publicity stunt. espn dont care about baseball, this only way they get on

[@rcmysm9123]

Are they including Japanese League stats?

[@jjmuse75]

@@rcmysm9123Failed attempt at sarcasm. Try again…..nah just stop.

[@rcmysm9123]

@@jjmuse75 Why so racist?

[@proteuswest1084]

I have been a lifelong baseball fan and a lover of its history, and it wasn't until some baseball video games started featuring Buck O'Neil did I learn about the rich history and amazing stories from the Negro Leagues. People remember Jackie Robinson, but they don't remember that Larry Doby, who broke the color barrier in the American League with Cleveland and Satchel Paige provided an almost immediate impact, helping Cleveland win the World Series in 1948. My heart is absolutely full that great players like Josh Gibson, who had such ridiculous numbers that his single season marks outpaced a fully juiced Barry Bonds, will be remembered as the greats they absolutely were. Changing the record books in any sport is such a monumental thing, but to do it in baseball, where people are so protective of the history and the purity of it, it's insane. Thank you for educating people with your conversation on why this is such a great thing for baseball to do, and why it's long overdue.

[@cobbler88]

It's wonderful to know about the NLs. They've been acknowledged for a long time. And anyone actually familiar with them knows that in no way should their stats be integrated with those of MLB.

[@aloysiushailey7954]

@@cobbler88 Why not?

[@cobbler88]

@@aloysiushailey7954 The most glaring reason is very simple. You don't integrate the stats of one league into another because they didn't face the same competition. It doesn't matter if the NLs were better or even worse. They weren't the same. As such you can't just throw them all in the same hopper. There ARE other professional leagues throughout the country and world. Nary a whisper of throwing them in as well. Take care.

[@aloysiushailey7954]

@@cobbler88 Fair enough, but I disagree. I appreciate your response.

[@proteuswest1084]

@@cobbler88 Unlike those other Leagues around the world, they did play against each other quite extensively. Other baseball Leagues that aren’t the American or National Leagues have been added to the MLB record books prior to this, and no one raised a fuss about that. There will always be people against integration, even in 2024.

[@Russell-rg2ej]

My father hung out with Josh. I have photos of Josh and my dad standing side by side, out of uniform. Ed 'Ace' Stone.

[@algiefunny798]

Dope

[@Russell-rg2ej]

@@algiefunny798 Thank you.

[@Russell-rg2ej]

Your welcome

[@JoshMitchell116]

It's refreshing, enlightening, and pride-evoking to hear and see the truth of the Negro Leagues highlighted in this segment. Of course, as Greeny said, it doesn't suffice or atone for the generations of injustice against black athletes in the Negro Leagues, but I'm so glad to have learned about Josh Gibson through this segment. Hembo knows his history.

[@brianmartinez7530]

Also, congrats to herschel walker for becoming the NFL single season rusher in the usfl back in 1985

[@dmf1914]

You said it yourself, this is about "atonement " not reality

[@SaySpawn]

​@@dmf1914COPE 🤣😂🤣

[@davidmorrison5186]

As a kid my dad used to tell me all the time Josh Gibson was the best hitter ever. He said it wasn't even close.

[@sreprezents]

The Negro Leagues produced lots of great players that were well respected by their counterparts in MLB. Don't forget "The Great Satchel Paige" was a "42" year old rookie in 1948. Satchel Paige would pitch until his late 50's.

[@ramsesstafford4640]

I love it, a r-word legendary Georgia Boy native Ty Cobb was replaced by another legendary Georgia Boy native Josh Gibson. I'm a proud southern Georgia Boy myself. 😁👌🏽

[@alvarhanso6310]

The racism of Cobb is sourced only from the biography by Al Stump. People don't take that bio as seriously today as they did 30-50 years ago.

[@Rockhound6165]

Prove Cobb was racist because there's plenty of evidence that those claims are BS. And, yeah, makes sense to wipe away a guy who played in 2,400+ more games and had 9,200+ more at bats not to mention 3,381 more hits.

[@BarLadyy]

The r word isn’t republican is it? 😂

[@Mrlaslaff]

MLB needs to market these names...have a ceremony at every stadium..Josh Gibson day like J.robison day and ESPN needs to make a 30 for 30 or something about this decision and bio's on all the players added

[@bradaker]

Would LOVE to watch that 30 for 30!

[@EatingHotIceCream]

Ouu a 30 for 30 would slap

[@flame-sky7148]

Ernie Banks, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays played in the Negro Leagues. So, MLB missed out on that league, they missed seeing the MJ of the sport. See what racism does. It affects everybody in the end.

[@TrestanSKYWALKR]

Exactly! It even hurts racist people. They don’t realize how much they miss out on.

[@ProducedByAllah]

I was in Kansas working a restaurant, the NFL draft was on. Some dude said he'd quit watching the chiefs if they drafted mahomes. I wonder how that loser's doing today

[@flame-sky7148]

That loser's like, "I never said anything like that." 😅🤣

[@kainenmorden]

There was no MJ from there. The best MLB players are non blk.

[@kainenmorden]

There was no MJ from there. The best MLB players are non blk.

[@cya2139]

Anyone confused about why this is happening needs to watch the Ken Burns documentary “Baseball”

[@silverguard8105]

You mean the documentary that's just riddled with inaccuracies?

[@CarlKarnak]

@@silverguard8105 not only that but overly sentimental trope through the eyes of liberal northeast academics and journalists

[@JamesAngler]

@@silverguard8105 this bothers u huh

[@silverguard8105]

@@JamesAngler absolutely not.

[@mrsticky005]

​@@silverguard8105 What is one of the inaccuracies it is riddled with?

[@lorenenoch6020]

Glad he brought the talent levels as well because I did see an overwhelmingly amount of people who think the negros leagues weren’t good.

[@ExposingTheLies360]

Doesn’t matter.. they are completely different leagues… negro league didn’t have nearly as many games

[@TrestanSKYWALKR]

Which is crazy. If you look at black athletes from the moment things were integrated to this day, black athletes have been stellar. So, any all black, baseball, football, basketball or boxing league would have been one of the tops if not THE top league in the world.

[@zregory]

Lotta dumb or racist ppl out here. I'll put it like this, immediately after integrating baseball former negro league players won the next 9 MVPs straight

[@levidezern3190]

It was superior to the major leagues

[@soda8736]

I don't peoole were saying some Negro players weren't good or great, it just hard to judge the over all talent of the league and it's known the record keeping was not on par with MLB

[@ddavis8988]

So many great players will finally get their just respect now. And that is justified.

[@tomriggs699]

No it’s not. It’s woke nonsense.

[@dmf1914]

Yeah, we haven't heard about the negotiations leagues at all. .. except constantly all the time

[@SaySpawn]

​@@dmf1914COPE 😂🤣😂

[@Darth_Lunas]

It's about time they started including those stats. Great day in baseball history. Well done MLB. 👏

[@Lane-wf2er]

Worst day in baseball history. The game had now been thoroughly corrupted by the regimes left wing politics, I’ll never pay attention to baseball again.

[@landocalrissian3957]

⁠​⁠@@Lane-wf2er did you listen to the stats? This isn’t some participation award it sounds deserved

[@SomeChink]

@@Lane-wf2erbye!

[@Lane-wf2er]

@@landocalrissian3957 it isn’t deserved. It’s corruption.

[@bankofwerner4206]

@@Lane-wf2eryou sound corrupted

[@OGfly87]

RESPECT TO THE MLB FOR THIS MONUMENTAL 'OVERDUE' FLOWER GIVING MOMENT TO THE BLACK LEGENDS WHO BROKE BARRIERS!!

[@dubstepphene82]

I'm glad to see them recognize the accomplishments of these great men

[@erickarge1838]

That played in a different league… lol

[@Benbrattondrums]

@@erickarge1838 mlb records has included multiple other baseball leagues for decades lol baseball must not be your thing.

[@erickarge1838]

@@Benbrattondrums oh baseball is most definitely my thing…. Whoever the idiot is that included ANY league other than the mlb is an idiot. It’s that simple. I as well as anyone with any actual brain cells will only acknowledge mlb statistics.

[@wannabegolfin24-72]

Hats off to MLB for doing the right thing and correcting history.

[@josephbarkley3301]

History can't be corrected. We can't change the past. They're literally making up fake history. And it does a disservice to the Negro league players as well.

[@ExposingTheLies360]

The right thing is including stats from a completely different league? Ok buddy 🤣

[@dubstepphene82]

Exactly. These dudes are just butthurt

[@357twilson]

Correcting history is rewriting history.

[@g311music]

You are never going to correct history that’s why it’s called history it’s in the past! You can take down statues and monuments and redo the stat books all you want let us all know when it changes the past!

[@GeechieDan-uu9wm]

In the MLB National League from 1949 through 1959, the National League MVP was awarded 9 times to players who were formerly Negro League players.

[@panda8788]

I'm honestly surprised it has taken this long for this to be done I'm happy to see it

[@JuliusC1973]

You're surprised that it took this long? You shouldn't have been, there are thousands of Great Players of African-American, Hispanic, Asian Ancestry who could have played Major League Baseball but were denied those opportunities. There were players playing in Baseball Leagues in Mexico, Central America, The Caribbean, South America and other places who could have played Major League Baseball. You cannot convince me that Fernando Valenzuela was the first Great Pitcher to be born and grew up in Mexico? There have to been thousands of others over the years.

[@panda8788]

@@JuliusC1973 yes I'm surprised thought I couldn't have been more clear

[@truthonly-]

​@JuliusC1973 what's an African American?

[@alarydavidnin]

Hey man honest question, why they adding stats? They got that league rights? Or they had it?

[@Cakebattered]

@truthonly A Black American citizen born from the descendants of African Slaves in the US. Its a term that provides distinction from Black Americans with Caribbean and European descent or African immigrants.

[@Newichi]

Great start for the MLB. Let's fix Armando Galarraga's perfect game. And we need to have a serious talk about Pete Rose.

[@damarioholland4895]

Facts my boy, waiting for those 2 things to be corrected…

[@shanaeverowe9626]

Galarraga's perfect game is indeed #1. Even the umpire admitted he blew it. That's all the evidence needed

[@Keith-gp8nt]

I concur

[@Fdashpodcast]

And Bonds Also Clemens

[@Mr50403]

Pete is great.

[@ZENN-LA74]

This incorporation of Negro League stats by MLB is the right thing to do but it also restores a bit of faith for me, in humanity. The hallowed structure of baseball and it's records mean so much to baseball fans. I remember being 10 years old in 1984 and knowing the stats on the back of baseball cards for whole teams. The injustices players of color faced, especially, exclusion always left a cloud whenever I thought of race in the game. The rules to not allow players of color into professional organized white baseball robbed baseball fans for over sixty years of seeing generations of all time great players. Imagine if Josh Gibson played on the Browns, or Giants? Surely, their respective success on the field, strictly in a baseball sense, would have been certainly more evident. Baseball is the greatest of all sports, to me. It was passed down from my dad, as it was, down from his father before him. I just wish that our politicians could put aside their differences for the betterment of the people. Thank you baseball, for this.

[@damitbegone]

A lot of old school baseball "fans" are going to be mad about Ty Cobb no longer being the batting leader, lol

[@Charlie-502]

Do you know that the negro league didn't keep accurate stats. Jus saying. Look it up if you don't believe it.

[@abbajabba7]

By all accounts Ty Cobb wasnt a good guy. I dont think anyone cares too much.

[@dukestandard4743]

​@@abbajabba7oh no ..they do..

[@brianmartinez7530]

Also, congrats to herschel walker for becoming the NFL single season rusher in the usfl back in 1985

[@dukestandard4743]

@@brianmartinez7530 the usfl wasn't separate from the NFL because of Race..

[@reeseseater12]

I think everyone knows why people online were mad and you don’t have to shy away from saying it because you’re afraid of upsetting people, and he reason is that they’re racist who probably don’t like that the color barrier was broken in sports.

[@PxNxWxGxW]

Naw...it's about the DEI and Blackrock esg scores.

[@dukestandard4743]

People don't like that the color barrier was broken period...

[@reeseseater12]

@@dukestandard4743 I was only talking in the context of sports, but yeah, if they have a problem with it in sports they certainly have a problem with it in all aspects of society

[@uuu817]

@@dukestandard4743no people don’t like woke DEI policies being implemented into everyday life… we all know that racism was a big part of why they never were allowed to play at the beginning.. but guess what bozo… most of the very talented negro league players actually played in the MLB…. Guess who was the home run leader for the longest time…… a negro league player.. you people are just woke

[@SupermanHopkins]

This. And pretending that this isn't the case actually does more harm than good.

[@benjiicurrency2570]

This is great news fr groundbreaking n long overdue ⚾️💯

[@nwilliams6768]

Greeny thank you for using your platform to acknowledge this, beautiful segment.

[@JuanMedina-ml1qx]

This was well over due

[@RONderluck]

Disagree

[@daddynanners3944]

Maybe, but probably not. If we want to get technical then how about we add in the world so a Japanese man can be the leader in every single category.

[@zay57]

​​@@daddynanners3944 Cry racist

[@gabrieljohnson4213]

Ichiro all time hit leader

[@joshuahsimons9587]

Like that makes sense 🤣

[@mc76]

Different country.

[@joshuahsimons9587]

@@mc76 gab with a head scratcher

[@keithgupton9349]

Ichiro stats were compiled in another country. Your trying to compare apple's to oranges

[@gabrieljohnson4213]

@@keithgupton9349 How many career goals does Cristiano Ronaldo have?

[@damarioholland4895]

Great segment fellas … love the breakdown guys… Proud day for sports and America#🇺🇸 #Greeny

[@coine1978]

Great day for baseball ❤

[@lilmik551]

Ik alot of racist Will hate this fr

[@crini413]

They hate everything lol fuck'm

[@mizzou1016]

Of course they’re racist if they are against what you believe. Typical racist black supremacist mentality.

[@USA55412]

Only a moron would say that. Like only a moron would say Gibson is a better hitter than Ty Cobb. It’s not even close Cobb by a mile. This is all racist towards white people. The theme of the days

[@JoeNeely]

Good

[@truthonly-]

You know they Hot about this lol. Laugh in their faces

[@cmuse40]

ABOUT TIME!

[@Dashone184]

If there is anyone who is vexed about this, their parents made a mistake that night and Americans today are still suffering from it unfortunately.

[@6figureceleryjfs378]

I was unaware being naive of course but I will most certainly learn more about this man. A great dad for the game of baseball.

[@bencromwell707]

Salute Greeny for this segment💯👍

[@elizabethwiggins3849]

I was given a complete set of Negro League cards about 20 years ago as a birthday gift. I've always felt that in due time the history of the league would be exposed. I'm happy and proud to own this set. The friend who gave them to me is no longer with us but I'm grateful for the gift.

[@andre1987eph]

Dang bro, you scored with that complete set!

[@bugzy510_]

This is amazing. They play the same game & should be recognized as that.

[@ryanmain8444]

Paul I think the world needs your two hour list. I would love to listen to it, and be educated by it

[@raffyschaw2622]

This is super cool. I do have trouble reconciling that Gibson played like 20-50 game seasons for 16 years. Only like 3-4 years worth of MLB ABs.

[@BeepBeep1981]

Das rAcIsT...

[@ironcross1252]

Yea thats what im saying, he was a superstar no doubt and unfortunate that he experienced that racism but the reality is he played like a third of a season lol

[@r.d4577]

So image what his stats be would if he played a full major league season.

[@ironcross1252]

@@r.d4577 cant go by what if’s though. Like we wouldn’t give Ted Williams the all time record for home runs for missing 3 seasons in his prime while he went to serve.

[@jharp08]

So we should acknowledge the records by inferior talent then??

[@rickygarcia9050]

My basketball coach when I was about 12 or younger in 2012 was josh Gibson's grandson petie Gibson so glad I got to learn from his grandson 💯💯💯

[@robward9339]

My problem with the statistics is that I don’t think they are comparable. It’s like if I shot one free throw in basketball I have a 100% average and you take 10 but miss one you have a lesser average. Should I be considered the greatest? It’s not about color it’s about the attempts. Ty Cobb had 11,440 at bats while Josh Gibson had 2,168. I’m sure the Negro League was on the same level as all other leagues but you can’t ignore the fact that the two averages between Cobb and Gibson are different. Gibson was a phenomenal player though.

[@mrmacho41]

MJ played 1,012 in 15 seasons and averaged 30PPG. Lebron and Kobe play 300 to 400 more games in a minimum of 20 years and they both average less. Wilt played 14 years and is second place to MJ

[@JamesMatthew-p4i]

Exactly!!!

[@MrBmic]

In a recent interview, Pete Rose said that the reason that the NL was better than the AL, in the 60s was because the NL had the best players, who were the black players.

[@Primetime3311]

Now they have to do ABA with the NBA

[@JamesSmith-kn3vs]

Their stats are already combined.

[@jammer9941]

Basketball reference combines them but the nba's website doesn't include ABA points in their all time stats. That said I don't know if in terms of people's legacies I don't think the aba players are not acknowledged for their time in the league.

[@zregory]

Took MLB almost a century to do this. Give bball time

[@SmartDave60]

There are 6 leagues (now 7) which are considered Major League Baseball (National, American, American Association, Union Association, Players' League and Federal League. So the Negro Leagues are not being combined with another league but included with what have been considered other professional leagues.

[@Ckearney88]

​@@JamesSmith-kn3vs not accurate because Dr j would be top 10 in scoring if his stats counted from the ABA

[@j.o.6271]

This coverage makes me more emotional that I anticipated. My grandfather, Daniel, would tell my sisters and I stories of the Negro Leagues in which he had some part and played (along with serving in WW2). Satchel Page and Josh Gibson and many others, child me soon forgot. He was so proud and would play catch with us telling the stories. I take this acknowledgement as an honor to my Pops and so many others. These games we play mean a lot to some 💜

[@shayneswenson711]

Not only were they better players but they were better players that lived their day to day in a very unequal living circumstances. Did not have the best equipment money could buy, did not have the best access to the best fields to play on and did not have the broader support and celebrity of their white contemporaries. I am very certain had they had, there would without any equivocation be a universal acknowledgment they were at worst equal to and at best vastly superior players.

[@erickarge1838]

Two different leagues so they will never be comparable

[@tegusentertainment8021]

Couldn't agree more with the final point, Josh was denied during his tragically short life the legendary status he obviously would have had.

[@josephmatuszak3855]

The Negro Leagues was basically the highest and most pure form of baseball. Think about it. These guys made their own league because many were denied the opportunity even to join the MLB and they loved the game that much...

[@Charlie-502]

They also only played 60 league games a season and most of their games were barnstormers against inferior competition. If you want to talk about facts then talk about all the facts.

[@SomeChink]

@@Charlie-502which also means by default MLB games consisted of “inferior competition”, since roster spots were not given based on actual performance

[@kaii231]

​​​@@Charlie-502look at sports today. Do you honestly believe that the negro league players weren't better than white mlb players? That's why they disqualified them in the first place. They knew the black players would run the league. Gimme a break.

[@deontaylor1547]

C'mon man. You clearly don't know anything about baseball ​@@Charlie-502

[@Charlie-502]

@deontaylor1547 how so?

[@lile4life713]

Can’t wait to hear people complain

[@khawaitkhastellano353]

oh yes, feathers will be ruffled.

[@jeredsandry3836]

Nobody is really going to complain because nobody under 40 watches it anymore. The only people that do are 75 year old men who dont know how to use the internet.

[@truthonly-]

​@jeredsandry3836 this is a lie lol. If it were true you wouldn't hv little league world series or college baseball which are kids and youth under age of 40

[@jeredsandry3836]

@@truthonly- Play and watch are 2 different things.

[@truthonly-]

@@jeredsandry3836 I would think you would watch the game you play and the families that root for you would watch as well. Idk. Every time we go to Dodger Stadium it's watched and sold out lol. But I digress

[@Anthony_MD]

Will Cain just had a heart attack

[@davidstewart799]

How long before this becomes a complaint by the MAGA cult? I can hear them now, MLB is woke

[@lpluva1]

I was obsessed with baseball history when I was a kid and I have always gave those Negro League records the same weight. I love that this has happened, many many white players wouldn't have even been in the league had black players been allowed to play. The level of play and talent was higher in the Negro Leagues in my opinion, so those records absolutely deserve to be incorporated with the all time stats. This is a great thing for Baseball.

[@patriciaalston4562]

There needs to be a major movie on Josh Gibson... I'm for it!

[@markellzey1531]

There was. Mykelti Williamson played him. Delroy Lindo played Satchel Paige and Blair Underwood played Jackie Robinson. Soul of the Game. It's a great movie. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_of_the_Game#:~:text=Soul%20of%20the%20Game%20%2D%20Wikipedia

[@ACD1994]

@@markellzey1531 A new Josh Gibson biopic would be fun. Would love to see one that is centered mainly, on Satchel Paige, too.

[@markellzey1531]

@@ACD1994 I agree. That would be amazing as well.

[@gnewt75]

👏👏👏👏👏👏 A day long awaited for and overdue. Salute to Josh Gibson!!! ⚾️👑

[@kevinwashington3071]

PAGE SHOULD HAVE A MOVIE as well

[@viperdoc429]

Just awesome! Great segment, Hembo really nailed the significance of the day and unification of MLB. Listening now and everyday, keep up the work. Very much appreciated! 👏

[@GildedWarrior331]

Yessir no record shall left behind!!!!!! Great day to celebrate today 😭💯

[@kimkelly5512]

It's about time, these stats are incorporated. It's the love of the game ⚾⚾⚾, this doesn't diminish anything that the other players did.

[@kalebcline9770]

Love that mvp talk . Around 8:30

[@CabVideoz]

As a baseball nerd from childhood this feels awesome. Thank you for the segment and it's been a long time coming

[@jedthezed3599]

Josh Gibson was an amazing baseball player... PERIOD. I don't think the MLB should be incorporating the negro league stats into its recorders. For better or worse they were two completely separate leagues. This reminds me of when the NBA and ABA merged. It was decided then they would not count ABA stats in the NBA record books. The decision wasn't because they felt the ABA players were 'lesser players' but they were two completely different leagues. That it wouldn't be fair for either league to be able to mix stats when the overwhelming vast amounts of players did not play in each league. We might as well say that collegiate stats should be included in professional sports. Again, Josh Gibson was an amazing baseball player but he played in a completely different league. Who knows of Ty Cobb would have had an even better average, or if Babe Ruth would have an even better percentage. It's unknowable... Doing this invalidates a vast amount of records and stats of the past.

[@rossy2976]

You saw him play??? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@tommyfavorite7977]

So I assume you’re in favor of separating American and National league records, and then adding a third also separate category for when interleague games became more common? MLB is basically saying they’re curating stats for ALL of the top level of American professional baseball, and the Negro Leagues were exactly that in every way except for the support they received from the powers that be. In other words, the Negro Leagues were a MAJOR league. The rules were the same.

[@tonycoleman8259]

Cry

[@alanfortune3092]

I appreciate your sensibilities Hembo!

[@chili015]

While I'm happy we're acknowledging these stats, there are 2 issues that come from this: 1) The Negro Leagues didn't play a lot of games in a season. Putting Josh Gibson as the all-time leader in career Batting Average, Slugging Percentage, and OPS (along with single-season SLG and OPS records) while only playing in 602 career games overshadows the accomplishments of those who had to sustain their averages over 4x or even 5x as many games (Babe Ruth over 2,500 games played... Ty Cob over 3,000). Gibson played over 50 games in a season only 3 times (69 was his most), so while he was unquestionably the greatest Negro Leagues player of all time and put up otherworldly numbers, he never had to play so many games each year that he could wear down. If he had to play 150+ games a season (as a catcher, no less!), he'd still be one of the best players ever, but I don't think the numbers would be video-game like. 2) Many professional players and historians will tell you that Japan's professional league is equivalent to the Negro Leagues in terms of overall talent, so if we're going to recognize Gibson for his accomplishments, then Sadaharu Oh's 868 career home runs should be #1, along with his Top 5 placements in Runs, RBI, and Walks.

[@NebrHodSmty]

This is my counter argument. MJ only played 15 but is still looked at as better then LBJ even those LBJ is has been better longer then he has

[@nailzius]

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[@spinaltap526]

The Major Leagues could have solved this problem by not segregating. I'm not really that concerned with fairness for Ty Cobb compared to Gibson or the other black players who weren't allowed to play in the other leagues. We also acknowledge tons of other leagues as major leagues and their stats count as well, like the Union Association or the Player's League. I never hear anyone complain about those stats being included in the official records. Comparing stats from all of these very different eras of baseball is kind of silly to begin with. These players were some of the best in existence at the time and they were playing in the only leagues they were allowed to play in.

[@jlv3x]

MLB is an American league not a world league. The Japanese league is a league in Japan not a league in America. The don't include Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Cuban leagues either because they are not leagues in America.

[@Nazim909]

Now imagine if Ty Cobb had to go against all of the best ballplayers in the world and not just the white American 1s

[@MrTonio1764]

My Great Grandfather an Grandfather always told me how great Josh Gibson was as a person an baseball player.......I received an autographed Hillerich and Bradsby bat signed by Josh Gibson,Satchel Paige,an Buck Leonard that my Great Grandfather personally had autographed when the Negro League had a team in Louisville,Ky (Louisville Unions,Louisville Black Caps,an Louisville Black Colonels) where I live

[@frankpeluso6849]

The logical argument is this: it’s an MLB record and he didn’t play in the MLB. If they want to adjust and add to a professional baseball list, then certainly put him on top in all these categories. But how can you put someone on a major league “MLB” list specific to the MLB?

[@2ndstreetmedia171]

The negro league was way more talented. They were neglected for the color of their skin. No difference in all the other sports. It's common sense at this point. If you take away all black players from sports, sports wouldn't matter anymore

[@WayToGreey]

Because they combined the 2 leagues

[@Mr50403]

9 MLB MVP's came from the Negro Leagues. That speaks of the competition.

[@robertpalatsky5017]

I'm glad the Negro League stats were added to the record books. About darn time, just wish great players like Cool Papa Bell and Buck O'Neill were here for this. They'd love this. Thank you to all the Negro Leaguers who paved the way for the Black AND Latin stars that followed.

[@Q_Satch]

We already know some ppl not gonna like this move by the MLB at all..

[@Phillygoat1983]

Cuz they racist 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾

[@borbafatt]

Too bad for them. They are just gonna have to get over it. It’s a great day for baseball.

[@themanwithnoname8471]

@@borbafatt I am a stats guy, I built the All-Time Great baseball league simulation and Yes I included Negro league stats and players, Josh Gibson was my catcher. However what MLB did here is wrong on so many levels, they corrupted their own history and statistical database. The Anti-Christ changes times and laws and yes as dumb as this sounds this is part of Satan's end times agenda.

[@themanwithnoname8471]

@@borbafatt Do you think a man marrying another man is part of God's agenda or Satan's? The ministers of Satan like their father look to change times and laws. "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

I mean men of all races from that Era said Gibson was the best hitter/offensive player of all time and it wasn't particularly close

[@WhySoSeriousBruh-fb7ud]

Yeah but the thing is that's all we have is what players said lmao. They never kept a lot of statistics for every Negro league game like the MLB has been doing for a hundred years. How are we supposed to believe Gibson actually hit 372 career and 962 homers. I need proof not stories.

[@jonathanstein5049]

About time for these great athletes.

[@chrisclark2747]

This is great. The one issue I'd note upon initial review is that the number of games played in a Negro League season (and career) is far fewer than MLB. In 1943, Josh Gibson hit .466 for the season which spanned 69 games and 302 plate appearances. In 1941, Ted Williams hit .406 for the season which spanned 143 games and 606 plate appearances. Josh Gibson had a career OPS of 1.176 across 602 games and 2,526 plate appearances. Babe Ruth had a career OPS of 1.164 across 2,503 games and 10,628 plate appearances. I'm not saying that Josh Gibson wasn't as good as Babe Ruth or Ted Williams- he probably was- but his achievements are not the same as those achievements made over the duration of an MLB season or career.

[@jefflewis4]

I don't really buy that. If a player can hit 466 in 302 plate appearances he likely can do it in 606 plate appearances. Williams was hitting .405 at the halfway point of the 1941 season. He just kept doing in the 2nd half what he did in the first half. Why would Gibson not have been able to do the same ? I don't know if Gibson would have hit .466 (or even 400) in the major leagues, but I do believe if Gibson was able to hit .400 in 300 MLB at bats, he'd be able to hit .400 in in 600 MLB at bats.

[@CarlKarnak]

@@jefflewis4 There is zero way to prove this. Zero. It's absolutely implausible that any player especially a right handed hitter would bat 60 points over 400 in a full MLB season. Since 1900, There have only been 8 total 400 hitters in MLB. Only one did it more than once--Cobb. Since 1941. Nobody has had one. Tony Gwynn has the highest BA for anybody that started their career after WW2 and he was primarily a contact hitter. Gibson would have had to cut way down on his swing to even approach 400. Gibson was obviously an all time talent and if healthy would have been a great HOF MLB player based on evidence. However it's impossible to compare scenarios based on how the leagues operated, kept records and quality control of the game.

[@youlup]

Shout out Hembo! Facts are facts! Appreciate the statistical references.

[@Scottie4twenty]

Gibson died at 35 from a stroke. He had 2,100 AB while Cobb had 11,400

[@Inktownicon]

Have some respect

[@Scottie4twenty]

@@Inktownicon I've got more than u pal

[@dwaneasley9119]

Well that's because the Negro League seasons that was played were shorter than the MLB. And he still was better than Ty Cobb.

[@Scottie4twenty]

@dwaneasley9119 I didn't ask for a reason why, nor did I say Cobb was or wasn't better. Your opinion is simply that and not a fact. Learn the difference

[@dwaneasley9119]

@OhYeah211 lol, u catching feelings over the truth. Smh doesn't surprise me. But it's ok. I'll sleep good tonight. Peace and love to u

[@gomez8596]

Great to hear. 👏🏼

[@feddi7693]

This is a good look💯✊🏿

[@thehighearners]

This is by far the best discussion I’ve heard on this topic. Thank you.

[@MobbCityRecordings]

Ok I love these guys this is much appreciated

[@raffyschaw2622]

Josh Gibson: 2000 career ABs Babe Ruth: 8000 career ABs Ty Cobb: 11000 Career ABS WHY DO THEY NOT TALK ABOUT THIS?

[@johnwayne9828]

Because until yesterday, those 2000 at bats wouldnt be enough to qualify him for an all time list.

[@mikegrebe536]

We all know why.

[@daviegriffin3539]

🌐 *Well done **#MLB* 🇺🇸⚾💙

[@hoganshairline4175]

Congrats Toni Stone is first woman to play in the MLB 😅

[@bosshova23]

Very significant day!!!!!!👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@dennislewis7047]

If you know Baseball. You know him an Ruth are the GOATS of Baseball.

[@truthonly-]

Not really. Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds are better than babe Ruth

[@johnnygonzalez9597]

I have to go to 2 museums to see the GOAT's of baseball, separate but equal still does not feel equal.

[@twinstalkitup]

Well done gents! Incredible talent and it was beyond time to recognize and acknowledge this! If you love the purity of the sport, then you should love this!

[@reginaldthompson6876]

Thank you Greeny for speaking the truth; Hall of fame pitcher Don Newcomb said that Josh Giibson was the best hitter he had ever seen !!

[@Starsky-t5n]

Appreciate this ESPN. Thank you for this segment!

[@eddierivera1860]

THANK YOU! MLB and thank you guys for this post. Im so happy for the Gibson family My dad saw Josh play in Puerto Rico and he told me Gibson was the greatest hitter he ever saw. I follow the catchers i only wish i couldve seen josh Gibson play🙏

[@kinggremlin4574]

Ty Cobb is still the all time leading hitter. Josh Gibson is not the all time leader in any rate stats because he didn't have enough plate appearances in his career. He only had 2526 career PA's which doesn't meet the minimum 3000. Go take a look at baseball-reference. To put that number of plate appearances in perspective, Ichiro had 2722 AT BATS in his first 4 seasons, with 2953 PA's. The all time MLB batting leader should need more than 3.5 seasons' worth of plate appearances.

[@jasonfondeur376]

Cry

[@fifole26]

Well said.

[@wavycrockett4261]

Racists will go to any lengths to invalidate black greatness. The same people who limited his plate appearances will use that to invalidate what he's done. Anyone who knows actual statistics knows that 100 is a sufficient sample size for any stat across a population.

[@shadiffhinson4205]

And we move the line again. Go figure

[@wretcher65]

Guys do respond to this burning

[@fiese80]

Finally.. True American Sport.. pure Baseball👏👏👏

[@Galacticpurveyor]

It’s not about facts, this is about race, plain and simple.

[@deontaylor1547]

Yes. These players were denied access to play due to the color of their skin. Think about how dumb it is to judge a human by the color of an exterior organ.

[@zay57]

Awe stay mad racist

[@shadiffhinson4205]

And another one out the closet

[@sammysam3905]

This is awesome. History shall not be omitted. I'm from Nicargua btw

[@xCTF74]

Ty Cobb had over 11,000 at bats compared to his 2,255 and hit .005 lower. I think I know which one is more impressive.

[@nailzius]

Ty Cobb had over 11000 at bats and all those stats because he was shielded from superior baseball players his entire career.

[@terrelloates3568]

​@@nailziusfacts so I know which one was more impressive 🙄

[@xCTF74]

@@nailzius “Superior” players is your racist, backhanded way of saying white players were completely inferior to black players. “Superior” players or not he still had 4.8 times as many at bats will the same success rate.

[@JoeNeely]

​@@xCTF74cope

[@truthonly-]

​@@xCTF74it's not racist being superior to another player 😂😂😂. You sound silly with tht. And yes the history has shown blacks hv been more athletic in sports than whites. It's just truth sheesh

[@billserratore]

Happy to see it and thanks for accurate reporting.

[@dionreed7325]

That’s great but now can they fix the hall of fame? I know alot of players that are being screwed

[@Inktownicon]

This is a step in the right direction. Hopefully Barry & Pete can get in there

[@fredwalker5607]

I watch Get Up all the time and Hembo never speaks I am astonished to hear his voice and knowledge. I think you should start a segment on Get Up and Call it Hembo Speaks!!!!❤❤❤❤

[@demetriusarteaga8242]

If they going do this ichiro suzuki is the all time hits leader of all time with 4,367 with pete rose 4,256,Henry Arron 3,771.

[@WhyYouMadd40]

MLB is a real for that 👑🤞🏿

[@bossplayermfs5972]

This should’ve been done many years ago.

[@davidmorris6483]

Josh Gibson IS THE BEST HITTER PERIOD! He also hit the most hrs. ever. But the media STILL won't say it.

[@roberthudson1959]

I do not find it convincing, but the logical argument against the inclusion of Negro League statistics is that Negro League seasons were much shorter. Gibson played no more than 69 games in a season, and only 602 in his career. Ruth played 2,084 games for the Yankees and 2503 overall.

[@MannyLoxx2010]

You are ignorant and don't know much about baseball at all!!

[@Penny_4yt]

Amazingly said by both greeny and hembo