Roll the Joists Ep.40

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Learn about Engineered wooden I-Beams, blocking, installing to prevent squeaks, gang cutting, and more. Rolling Joists is a fun part of framing - you can make a lot of headway in a short time. In this episode, and after about 2.5 hours of work, we had a nice looking floor skeleton all in and ready to deck! Unfortunately there is a little work to do in the crawlspace before the deck can go on, so we are going to have to pause on the framing items for a brief moment and do some rough plumbing and ducting work next. Thanks for tuning!
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[@jefff6167]

These are, in my opinion, among the finest videos “anywhere”. They are calming, unpretentious, mildly philosophical, somewhat spiritual, instructive and honest. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos. Thanks AvE for the introduction.

[@ramdizzle9133]

You've never seen this old house out of New England. Norm abram was voted America's carpenter and has one of the most calming voices.

[@johnjaso1349]

@@ramdizzle9133 Norm is a craftsman for building furniture and specialties. ive never seen him building homes by himself.

[@ramdizzle9133]

@John Jaso he has built plenty of houses on his own, That's what he was doing before he started the new Yankee workshop.

[@johnjaso1349]

@@ramdizzle9133 i stand corrected. however , scott has a special thing going on. and Norm is special in his styles.

[@ramdizzle9133]

@John Jaso yes. Either way, they are teaching correct ways to do things. This younger generation needs to make sure to pay attention and take notes. Another good builder is Larry Haun. However, his videos are a little dated, but hell of a framer.

[@Lanxe]

We all need a bloke like Steve in our lives. Nothing like working with an old mate who's a pro and on the same page.

[@Si-Al-Ti]

And all of us have thanks to youtube! :)

[@omom564]

Agreed! I would of lost it if the joist I was trying to level was being knelt on by some saying "a little more! "...🤔

[@misternormL]

Same page as he's better than you at everything except that thing you'd object to *wink

[@TheTomBevis]

Steve looks just like my uncle Bob, and Ace looks just like my dog Lucy. lol

[@AlphaMachina]

@@omom564 How else do you expect him to check the level in any sort of convenient and timely manner? Knocking a wedge in with a hammer under that joist makes little difference whether he's kneeling on it or not. The wedge will drive it regardless and with ease.

[@boghbayles4637]

I love this channel best all around building channel on KZbin , everything about it is just right from the commentary to the pacing to the content .

[@mindaugasnomnom3548]

yes it's like do it right first time "holmes on homes"

[@commandofaku]

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[@rigobertoolivo1646]

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[@KingdaToro]

I feel like this and Acorn To Arabella are basically tied for this honor, yet they're totally different. EC is an old pro sharing his massive experience with us, A2A is two guys tackling a massive project they've never done before, but have certainly done their homework on.

[@angelmoreno5058]

Have you watched the crazy framer?

[@tani357]

"That is never an excuse to do something ugly if you have the capacity to do something that is handsome." Truer words were never spoken.

[@Quackerstacker1973]

So then riddle me this why is that nice man hacking those floor joists with a chain saw.

[@tani357]

@@Quackerstacker1973 Why does an ice sculptor use a chainsaw? Because they're artists.

[@wreckless_-jl6uu]

*Man, I really like your channel here..!! You really know your stuff and I’ve learned more from you in 1 video than I have in some of the years I’ve done this type of work!! Thanks ALOT!!!*

[@uglycouzin]

Hi Scott and Nate. Thanks for continuing to make this channel and share part of your life with the KZbin community. I am blessed to be entertained while being educated by you.

[@Slaughterk360]

“that’s as good as a factory cut “said every carpenter ever hahahhaha ✌️🤣✌️

[@jimfanning1770]

Like a bought one! Probably the most common expression I hear on site.

[@sickwitit9177]

😂 eye ball it.

[@mikehikes710]

I'm a trim and siding carpenter. Cant ever use the factory cut

[@stephenyoshida9966]

Plus no PPE when using the chain saw!!

[@micahwatson9017]

I'd be ashamed to say my cut is as good as a factory cut....especially on I joists! Lol

[@TheMcKeand]

Great work from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 great work, look forward to the series, it’s great to compare things fro here and the US, your a true craftsman 👍

[@Resistculturaldecline]

I'm an electrician, wired hundreds of houses, and seen thousands in the skeleton. I've also worked as a framer before becoming an electrician, done roofing, concrete, etc. Spec houses, customs, commercial wood and metal construction. This is how everyone thinks a house is built, quality wise. But in reality, only a small single-percentage are built to this level of care and morality. Vast majority of contractors and foreman won't allow that kind of time spent on details. 90%++ are a turn & burn jobsite, run to the next one sort of atmosphere.

[@ryerob741]

yep...turn and burn, there is only enough time to wrestle the rough/framing crew foreman at break time! if you're the donkey for the day.....don't be that guy...its a miserable, sorry ass day for ya if you aint "keeping up"... every Greeny fell for the "I can guess ur weight with in 5 lbs. trick"...just jump on my back! lmao every time ......

[@chriskeel3096]

how much time can be wasted when time=money though? labor cost sorta influences this a ton

[@christopherevensen4942]

I don't take breaks, I sneak away and fix something that's not quite right, lol.

[@ryerob741]

@@christopherevensen4942 only 1/2 hr lunch break is all for us ... nothing more, nothing less...

[@Quackerstacker1973]

@@ryerob741 I go to work in the morning work till quitting time the only time I drop my bag's is when it's time to roll up.

[@bobbyauvil9885]

I grew up in Roseburg, and, have been in residential framing (and, now pole barns) most of my life. Your channel has a special place in my heart, brother. Keep up the great work!

[@npfloyd]

We need t-shirts... "I

[@richardvsassoon5144]

what about blocking...? if you're cutting off 10" why not order long enough to create a 14" + block? And why not throw a 3/4" block on top of a joist every 10' or so, to reduce sag on that super tight string line?

[@talon0863]

This is the best comment I've read here. You sound like one of the few here that have done some building. Most don't understand your comment.

[@micahwatson9017]

I was going to say the same thing about the joist length and blocking..

[@mozarth]

Is "blocking" the same thing with "bridging"? (The diagonal runs between joists)

[@talon0863]

@@mozarth blocking is a single piece of wood where bridging is two diagonal

[@Trentberkeley86]

Ya what a dumb ass

[@marshallmoneymaker8322]

As a retired fire fighter I would say with you using modern engineered products, I hope and would recommend including a residential fire sprinkler system. While engineered pro, there are as expected cons - and the biggest con is fire load and failure quicker than stick lumber. Water damage is easier to fix than fire damage, not to mention the safety for fire fighters entering the structure for extinguishment. Just a thought!

[@moaski]

I saw a statistic provided by my local fire department (of whom my wife's cousin is chief) stating that in the 1960s, people had on average 17-minutes to escape their homes safely during a fire. Nowadays, that time is 3-minutes!!! The reason: all of these modern, man-made, synthetic products we build and furnish our homes with... they are much more combustible, and ignite very quickly.

[@garyryman4947]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@somegoddamnguy]

@@moaski that being said, you'd much rather be below a modern glulam beam than a steel one during a fire,

[@TheRyGuyRy]

I came here to ask the very same question.

[@GarwoodNick]

This is a valuable perspective and as a result of your comment I will definitely consider fire suppression for future projects.

[@nicholasvoss3502]

The best friends are the ones that just show up, grab a hammer, or shovel, or wrench and just dig in with you. I'm blessed with a few.

[@WayneSmith-yf3fg]

Yup! I had one. Showed up on my front porch on a Sunday morning (after a tree had blown down against the house the night before) with a chain saw and a gas can. Worked all day with me. Hugh became a great friend and we worked on a number of carpentry projects over the years. He was a very skilled carpenter and I learned a lot from him. Miss him now that I've moved out of state.

[@user-hd8ej8yx9p]

@@WayneSmith-yf3fg GOSH! I thought Hugh died! congrats, we should all be like Hugh... call him

[@TheFlick175]

Yeah I've got those slower friends that try to dig with a wrench too

[@zackwilliamson560]

@@TheFlick175 just spit my coffee reading this lol

[@Thomas-tf4cm]

Yes they are

[@CrosswindSurfer]

Ok well... Im not sure if youll ever read this, but this WHOLE project, channel, ALL of it... is SO wholesome. I just got into construction with a VERY detailed oriented mind, with a dream to build my own home some day. This is the most incredible, project that I feel I actually get to be apart of! Love the content, CAN NOT WAIT FOR MORE!!!! ONLY EPISODE 40!! WOOOHOOHOHOHOHO!!!!!!

[@jameslikesturtles8254]

I’m in the same boat, this series helped me decide on carpentry as my trade of choice and a year later I’ve moved away from my hometown to start my career building custom homes. A kind voice with wise words is a powerful thing, very thankful to have come across this series.

[@umoro76]

Perfect..just long enough for lunch. Hello from Lodi CA from a new construction plumber...I appreciate all you do to cut my learning curve. Your channel has gave me focus and motivation to go ahead and be owner/builder for my small home

[@badlandskid]

“That’s not a framing saw..... Now THAT’S a framing saw!” Said in your best Crocodile Dundee voice.

[@richardvsassoon5144]

and I guarantee that's the saw they use when they cut the length on their 60' TJI's

[@philreynolds7216]

A couple of old pros working together is a beautiful thing to watch, and learn from. You don't get the job done quickly by hurrying, you get it done quickly by knowing where to put the extra attention and effort, and how and where to waste zero motion and effort.

[@cncwoodworxroc6881]

From a pro, this is one of the best statements I've heard. This should be taught to all apprentices, driven into thier minds.....and reinforced to all old pros....love it!👍

[@bonanzatime]

The deer are ready to move in. The pressure is on.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Get the subfloor glue that remains flexible - not the cheapest junk you can find - otherwise you can get squeaks everywhere as the cheap stuff turns rock hard and can crack because it's brittle

[@jimmys.8062]

ArthurDentZaphodBeeb It’s hard to find the right caulks sometimes. The right ones make a big difference!

[@meelisliias1589]

Any suggestions?There are million different brands out there,all claiming they are the best.

[@jimmys.8062]

Meelis Liias Not sure if polyurethane based subfloor adhesive OR silicone based is best? There’s new stuff that’s a gel but it is still polyurethane based. Always look at the ingredients. Silicone has great natural vibration absorption. Polyurethane is stiffer. Test a few brands and see how much flexibility is left after drying. I never did this specific job before, so I can’t tell you a specific product for this application. Also I’m not sure the I-Joists adhesive and subfloor top side would be the same product or not?

[@Tehcarp]

what was the next lenth up from 32? if it was 34 you could have cut 2 blocks off the end of each

[@sigdetcdr]

As always, great video, sir! You're about the most calm and well-thought-out carpenter I have ever seen. Thank you so much for your videos. I was a framer for a couple decades and I appreciate the truth you share. I now design homes for custom builders and have been pushing to steer away from engineered lumber. Trusses and I-joists burn incredibly fast, so we either add fire-proofing, sprinklers or design using nominal lumber. For gang cutting, I once set up a cut station using (2) 48' i-joists as a table with a sled and mounted (2) 12" SCMS at each end. We were able to precision-cut every joist we were using on the apartment complex we built. I've never been under such time requirements to have to frame to speed in that way of cutting. It looks cool though....you da man! Glue in the hanger was something we also stopped doing. Eventually we found that when the glue cured, it would sometimes move in the hanger. A rubber compound ended up better for us. We only glued wood-to-wood or wood-to-concrete. I wish you every success and look forward to watching your project evolve to its conclusion.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Thanks for the thoughtful and brave comments which 'dare' to question the methods and choices employed in this video series. I think every young builder ought to be sent to Europe for a month to examine low-tech old buildings that have stood for 500-1,000 years. They will learn that an un-level floor won't mend itself over time nor will an out of plumb timber post. Another important lesson will come in the discovery that not a single square inch of Disoriented Strand Board was built into any of those ancient structures.

[@tyvanvleet]

Always nice to open up a video that’s gonna be full of knowledge!

[@griffsrearmountturbothemod1623]

10 inch over length on joists could have been about 20 inch then use for blocks, That's Hindsight... great channel

[@bobm7275]

I was chicken to say that but I thought it so do I get half points

[@JackFlash870]

30 minutes, now that is a treat

[@304spencer]

Can you comment on your reasoning behind shimming the floor? I've always heard it was a bad idea. The shims compress, or split and fall out.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

He did it to save time/money. It didn't sound like he had 100% confidence in the elevation of the footing, so it would have been very difficult to make the pony wall perfect. However, making the pony wall elevation match the outer walls is preferable.

[@TradieGamer]

Nothing wrong with shimming to achieve perfect heights but using a wedge is a hack job. Lever the joist of and insert a non compressible packer. Cement sheet, plastic Packers go down to as small as a few mm. If you need smaller malthoid dampcourse is perfect. Everything else I see the bloke do is pretty top notch so to see that was disappointing tbh

[@dezmonasg6708]

The reason for shimming is he built the wall to low do there fore shimming required ,not a good idea they always fall out

[@folic5]

Just because he never level

[@darrinjones9387]

Shim if you must, then grout or use solid ones, not just the wedges

[@RJ-kg5jh]

Essential Craftsman is the grandpa Millennials wanted and the Baby Boomer America needed.

[@mightyroostercontractinglt8755]

There is nothing I can say , that has not already been said. You are the teacher we wish we had, and are grateful we have. (its never too late) I hope its not all old dog like me watching. The up & comers are lucky, if they find this channel. Thank you for this gift.

[@joshjohnson3264]

If being a 30 year old with 7 years of custom cabinetry that just started framing in April counts, then I feel lucky. Just discovered this fella today, only 3 videos in and I’m hooked. The love of learning is the thing that makes me love carpentry so much. Technique is such a beautiful thing, and hard for most people to teach. I’m endlessly grateful to have discovered this channel.

[@riverrat1149]

Remember when both ends of the joists would come lopped off with a chainsaw and you had to first square of one end just to pull your tape to cut them to length. I used to hate that.

[@tomitstube]

that's just sloppy work. where was that?

[@jamesthornton3339]

In Michigan we get one passable end and one that looks like a blind special needs kid cut it. I wish we got a factory cut!

[@merkinyall]

They still do that in Nebraska. One side factory cut most of the time and the other hacked off

[@farmerbob4554]

You wanted to say it. “You guys in the mid-West with your toy chainsaws”.

[@bradfordlunt1468]

Shimming the center span is an example of what you will never get with a production framing crew in these parts anyway. It is common to insist they replace cracked roof joists that they have scabbed scrap to strengthen. They also push the +/- 1/4" on every fit up. A common reply is "oh the dry wall cover that". I have run off more dope smoking framers than I can count on two hands. The quality you are displaying can only be gotten if you do it yourself. Love your videos!

[@jimc4731]

I agree, all contractors know what they should do and how to do it, but many times ignore it unless called on the deficiency and then try to talk out of it. JIM

[@oldschool6345]

Lucky you to have friends like that. It's not only great to have them but to have the trust you share, you have no doubts what he is capable of. Having former bosses as friends means you're living a good life. Those who never have them as friends don't know what they're missing. Thanks for sharing

[@trevorcourt2306]

As someone who works in a trauma operating theatre your saw cutting method at 3:30 is the sort of lunacy that keeps me employed.....

[@abdulelkhatib2674]

I don't know why but I find that hilarious

[@trevorcourt2306]

@David Johnson Gee I don't know David holding a piece of timber in your hand and pushing a circular saw through it..... What could possibly go wrong!!! 400 fingers a year get removed by circular saw accidents in Australia alone...

[@sixtygrit9944]

Experienced carpenter here. Why wasnt the knee wall set (laser or string) at the correct height? The shimming seems like afterthought, and with the bearing load, softwood shims are a poor choice. Also, i would have installed web stiffeners at the hangers to increase the reaction capacity of the joists. I enjoy your videos. Take my criticism as constructive.

[@davereeves1967]

He explained why he was doing it this way in the video where they set the knee walls.

[@sixtygrit9944]

I went back and watched that episode, and you are right, he did mention it. I missed it the first time. Thanks. That being said, he is setting the joists to a line. This same method could have been used to set the knee wall in the same spot and eliminate the shims, creating a more positive connection. This is common practice on slab on grade basement walls. It is not difficult. Many times, ill set a chalkline instead of string, bump the stud edge against the line marking it, and cut. Great accuracy. I have only seen one other framer use this trick.

[@melissaroy8031]

Web stiffeners aren't always required but sure don't hurt. If you know what is required may as well save material I guess.

[@beyondthelol]

@@sixtygrit9944 shit that is a good idea

[@jean-guygatien4417]

Experienced carpenter here as well. I was looking to see if anyone caught that and you did. Stick framing the knee wall to a laser or dry line is definitely the better choice. Easy to be a armchair quarterback.. He would put these clowns on TV to shame..

[@vovkam]

The use of shims surprised me. Do they last? Is it possible to get the pony wall perfect enough?

[@andrewv5104]

My 1916 house had shims holding up joists and members and they were doing just fine after 100 years and will likely last many hundred more. The question of possible isn't the right one. The better question is "Is the effort and labor cost worth it". With enough time and money anything is possible.

[@hanskinslo326]

Once everything is all fastened down, and the shims are placed correctly, they'll last as long as the rest of the structure.

[@justinfiorini3142]

My 1943 house has shims under it. The've held up fine. And the house was barely maintained the 20 years before I bought it.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

Pony walls are easy if you have a good concrete crew. A good concrete crew will make your elevations spot on so you don't have to make it shorter then shim.

[@wilkinsoncarpentry6278]

I love it, I’m watching this thinking “look at these 2 old blokes still building together “ And then you say you have known each other since the age of 14. Wow . And the knowledge that just pours out is incredible. I been doing Carpentry for 18 years and every time you talk about codes , ways to do things , reasons you do things. I take it all in. 👍👍

[@Merlmabase]

Hey EC! Do you happen to note the music you use to score your videos somewhere? It's always lovely. I've been following thechannel for about six months, and it is a treasure. No substitute for being on the jobsite, but you're reaching an incredible number of people with a lifetime's worth of skill and wisdom. Thank you!

[@essentialcraftsman]

Thank you! Actually Nate does all of the editing and makes the music choices and he always nails it! Some is music that my children and wife have recorded, some of is music that other friends have recorded and some is music that we find in other places. I expect that sometime we will have a moment to make this information available but for now you’re gonna have to wait until this house is dried in!

[@Merlmabase]

@@essentialcraftsman Happy to wait. I meant, of course, the collective EC - there's clearly as much work and attention devoted behind the camera as in front. Thanks Nate!

[@I_M_Nonno]

Anyone that doesn't have 20 + years using a circular saw - DO NOT try to operate one the way he does!

[@terryeffinp]

I was just thinking the same thing when he cut that notch in that 2x4. All I could see was some young fellow running that saw up their forearm in to their hand.

[@Scootro84]

Yea, was thinking they should've captioned that with, "Don't try this at home!"

[@thomasohanlon1060]

@@Scootro84 but you know once you put that there the ones with no fear will take that as a challenge.

[@douglee5599]

S P I think it's better, with no warning, then you can tell who are the stupid people, the ones with only 2-3 fingers.

[@hse6144]

Luckily I only cut the cord the first time I used a circular saw.

[@maleficentcop2752]

Starting to see a theme here.... If you have a full head of Gray you might be a master carpenter.... Glad Nate is good behind the camera... Sorry Nate could help my self....😜 These videos are over the top...👍👍👍👍

[@cesarmartinez6209]

Strings always sag especially from long spans, it’s easier to use a laser then wedging up your joist. But like the way you cut the joists with the chainsaw.

[@juantransportador]

HELLO, from chihuahua mexico, you know?, is funny to found on the Camara suggestions Nate's Nate's sunflare seeds, thank you for the video, I'm waiting for the moment you finish my house 😂, thank you, and GOD bless you and your family.

[@ryandury]

Man, i love this series. As a software engineer, this makes me want to head back to school and start building in the real world

[@rudolphsteiner6797]

Hope you are ready for a large pay cut... unless you want to be a contractor... As a contractor you can make more money than you would as an engineer.

[@maleficentcop2752]

Ok did have a question why didn't you build the pony-wall posts while framing the wall... Instead of after you had it in place ? Feel like I'm missing something obvious....🤔

[@brianeaton3734]

He said why in an earlier video....

[@maleficentcop2752]

@@brianeaton3734 I didn't know why he didn't just every 10ft or 15ft slap a 2X4 on either side of a stud... He said that "it's important to place the posts & studs in the right place"....But I'll have to look up that video thanks Brian...👍

[@AWoodworkersLife]

Another option for ensuring a dead flat floor, instead of shimming every single joist over the pony, is to run a double sill plate on the pony. Shim in between the two sill boards only where needed and then let the joists ride directly on the top plate of the pony.

[@joeconnelly7875]

I work for a lumberyard in Ohio designing Engineered Wood Products (EWP) for floor and roof systems, and I am frequently shocked at the appalling lack of knowledge and concern on the part of framing carpenters and other skilled tradesmen when it comes to the intricacies of storing and installing I joists and LVL beams at the jobsite. I nearly fainted when you actually referred to the installation guide that is so critical to a good installation that will make happy homeowners. Kudos on your video and commentary. This is the way an I joist job should progress. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance!

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

"proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance" you forgot the proper. 😁

[@tedmcnair9709]

V failing to plan is a plan that is certain to fail!

[@flyingjeff1984]

Saw didn't want to start. Must be a Stihl. :)

[@technosaurus3805]

Metal studs are a good alternative to OSB i-joists. Metal studs are inflamable, dimensionally perfect, include cutouts for plumbing and electric and cost the same per lineal foot regardless of length which can span up to 40ft (though 20ft is most available at the local Menards) You can still use cheaper wood studs for walls too.

[@hanskinslo326]

How deep can you get the studs? 12"?

[@technosaurus3805]

@@hanskinslo326 the best I can get off the shelf at my local Menards is 16 gauge 8"x20', but you can order heavier gauges up to 12 inches by 40 ft - sometimes larger, but usually per engineered drawings.

[@technosaurus3805]

@@treyhart6861 metal studs are actually pretty easy to work with all you need is a pair of tin snips and a razor knife plus they are about one-third the weight of wood studs. As an added benefit since you need to screw the decking down you eliminate floor squeaks (it helps that steel studs are nearly dimensionally perfect). Wood is still better for traditional walls since steel studs reduce the insulation efficiency by like 50% due to thermal bridging unless you use a non-traditional staggered stud configuration in your wall which cost more but gives superior sound and weather insulation. Other reasons include: lack of familiarity in the residential trades, cost (except for long spans), consumer preference and now supply chain uncertainty due to the "trade war".

[@tysonwashburn7510]

I am addicted to all of your videos. Made me want to reframe a new truss system for my chicken run roof.

[@Jaredg508]

Why didn't you string that pony wall before you built it? You wouldn't have to shim up nearly as much if at all.

[@chrishall5439]

Shimin up a bit is a lot easier than cutting a wall down. Still what you say is true. But the variance in different materials and installation often lend to non precise results. I imagine that this is a practice that comes with years of experience. Carpentry is so vast that you never stop learning and maybe that's why I like it so much!

[@ollieskinner4891]

Should of stringed it to be honest

[@vincenttanguay4198]

I watch all your videos and they are a source of inspiration. I do this kind of work all week long it's friday and i'm tired. But watching this video just makes me want to go out and build something!! I whis i would have had a mentor as knoledgeble as you in my aprenticship. Cheers from Montreal, Canada! By the way the music is epic!!

[@imabeapirate]

guys... I'm at work! 30 minutes??!! Early lunch I guess...

[@essentialcraftsman]

ha ha!!!!

[@apptis007]

Maybe a mental density moment for me but I think I missed the significance of the two beams you pointed out with the arrow graphics that are running parallel within the joists. Could you clarify?

[@detobias2000]

there will be a post above these beams carrying roof &/or 2nd floor load, these beams carry that load directly to footing, not relying at all on the 1st floor deck..

I rolled a joist this morning, my dealer said it was an indica strain.

[@quint7394]

? why where the pony walls cut 3/4 short? also how did you cut your blocks, i didnt see a layout, in curious as a i am starting a new home and want to get more production out of my time.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

He cut the pony wall short to save time. Time = money. It is entirely possible to get your pony wall perfect (preferable). However, it didn't look like he had a lot of confidence in the elevation of those footings. If the elevation of the footings is off, it is near impossible to make a perfect pony wall. So he did the next best thing and made it shorter and shim it. One reason to not use shims is because now his roll blocks will not touch the pony wall and the sub floor simultaneously so the load transfer he was talking about will no longer happen. Now the blocks are roll blocks only.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

The load bearing is going to be handled by those beams he put in, so honestly it doesn't really matter that those roll blocks aren't transferring the weight. Those beams are going to hold the weigh of the load bearing walls above, not those blocks. So yeah...

[@MrHarvywallbanger]

Definitely hard for a slab to squeak

[@grantquinones]

Your body's a lot more experience than me but I'll be wearing safety glasses with the nail gun I seen a guy lose his eye from a piece of plastic coming off racks of nails

[@rightlanehog3151]

It is a real pity that established safety practices are routinely violated in these videos. This essentially rules them out as a teaching tool for young carpenters.

[@grantquinones]

@@rightlanehog3151 I wouldn't go that far .. it's just a friend he has helping him . We call that safety Sally

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@grantquinones In May I attended the criminal trial that followed the senseless workplace death of a young apprentice carpenter in my community. If I am able to do so I will attend the coroner's inquest which is coming. I have no hesitation in pointing out unsafe practices. I also meant exactly what I said about these videos not being used in reputable trade schools due to the 'short cuts' constantly on display.

[@freshstart3555]

Always

[@cougill_trim_and_cabinets]

You’re really making a new classic here guys. Like the Larry Haun series for a new era. Greatly enjoying it 👍

[@skywellconstruction8095]

Anyone who doesn't know Larry Haun then look him up. I have purchased his videos and make my guys watch them before starting a big job, just as a refresher on how to build efficiently and correctly. I agree, Steve is the next generation of 'how to' and this series is unbelievably thorough and detailed. Thank you Steve!

[@zmhouse35]

Proud residential framer from St. Charles MO. So excited to see how you guys do it out there. I'm like a kid at Xmas whenever the next video comes out.

[@YoureASquidYoureAKid]

Heyyy same here but from O'Fallon MO. Hopefully you don't work at McBride...

[@nathanchalecki4842]

Great vids. But boy did i cringe when you cut that v into the end of that wood

[@Tanner-TDRproperties]

Squeaks create "character" in a home, at least that's how I'd sell them :P .. Love the channel, always great content!

[@josephg2553]

The problem with those joists they melt like butter even in a small fire in your house. Glue melts delaminates collapse.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

Water isn't good for them either.

[@BigHayes7771]

Osb is completely useless I can't understand why it's allowed in subfloors and joist blows my mind I use to pull up people's floors when they flooded complete junk

[@psidvicious]

@ chadwick hayes - I’m not a huge fan of it but it’s better than it used to be. (better glues I guess) And you’ve got to remember, a lot of engineers and architects out there are confident in it enough to stake their licenses on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 🤜🤛

[@phillhuddleston9445]

@@psidvicious But things are not made to last like they used to be, it is fine for the short run but I question how long it will last, will they have to tear the house down in 50 or 60 years because this is failing?

[@psidvicious]

@ Phil Huddleston - Again, I was never a fan of ‘chipped wood’ products but it’s not exactly fair to say that this structure will start to ‘dissolve’ in 50-60 yrs. With just standard maintenance and care, there’s no reason this structure shouldn’t last for as long as someone wants to live there. If it’s not maintained, it might be fair to say that it may deteriorate quicker than a similar structure built with standard dimensional lumber. Better yet, go with my favorite building material - Concrete! 🤜🤛

[@wildtimbrown]

I like what you told us about Steve there at the end. He had already reminded my of Larry Haun. I don't know any higher praise for a framer!

[@andrewmyers7131]

I’m no captain safety and have scars nearly everywhere to prove it, but get Steve some safety glasses. Come on.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Thanks for pointing it out. These videos will be banned from every trade school in the USA due to the chronic disregard for standardized safety practices.

[@mattglatt9769]

I didn’t know he was making videos for trade schools. In the real world most people I know work just like this including myself.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@mattglatt9769 In my part of the real world workers suffer totally unnecessary workplace injuries and fatalities caused by completely avoidable hazards. This May, in my corner of the real world I attended the trial of the people and businesses responsible for the death of a 24 year old apprentice carpenter. They talked a good game too.

[@MrBlu334]

Hello and I hope you and family are well - being way over in Northern Ireland and watching how your house build progresses is fantastic - your knowledge and explanation of the progress is again, fantastic. I've been following your videos and journey for few weeks now and I wana say thank you for sharing your adventures. Take care and I wish you all the best, I'll be watching every step 👍🙋‍♂️

[@antonleimbach648]

That was some nice work with that chain saw trimming those joists. Perfectly square.....wow.

[@ben-vf]

What a show off !!!

[@tomitstube]

don't forget the "guide cut" with the circular saw. a long bar chain saw, and a sharp chain.

[@SteveoAtilla]

And he spent a year or two (or a dozen) cutting timber in the northwest. Has a few hours on a chain saw. Nice work!!!

[@rafaljanicki9750]

You Sir are an inspiration!. Thanks! I will say this over and over. As a side-note, seeing You guys working like this reminded me of yet another video that sparked my interest in stick-frame construction (I`m from Europe, framing is not that popular here). It reminded me of Larry and Joe Haun and their video series. Keep up the work, sure as hell I`m learning a LOT. All the best!

[@cklinejr]

Framing! This is my favorite part of any project.

[@jimc4731]

I thrive on the finish carpentry! JIM

[@gregoryvschmidt]

Charles Kline we always had sunflower seeds while framing.

[@joshuafulton1625]

Hahaha, sounds like you haven’t framed!

[@cklinejr]

@@joshuafulton1625 Beats the hell out of fussing around with concrete or roofing!

[@joshuafulton1625]

Charles Kline very true

[@jimc4731]

You cut and installed those pieces that you called blocks to keep the joists vertical and in line. The old school way was to use pieces angle cut on the ends and nailed in, in an X pattern. You only nailed one row of the blocks. Was that just the first row or will you be adding more. One row doesn't seen like enough to me, do you add more off camera? Maybe you now go on to fill the field with additional rows of the traditional "old school X bracing"? Wondering why the first nail for each block was hand nailed? Wondering why you did not glue up all the hangars and then walk each joist down and place it directly into the hangar, thus saving some work! When you carried the joists horizontally holding them on the ends and allow them to flex up and down, didn't that stress the bonding at the build joint and weaken the joist. Seems one should hold them in the vertical position. I enjoy your videos! I only ask these questions because i want to know. JIM

[@josephdestaubin7426]

I thought I'd take the time just to answer one of your questions. Spreading out the joists and then installing them as two different workflows is way more efficient. Probably something like a 50% labor-saving or effort saving process over the method you suggest. Put another way, it took him 33% less effort to do it the way he did. The reason for this is quite simple, construction is a physically and mentally intensive process. By dividing up tasks this way, you allow yourself to focus your strength on a very narrow set of movements. If you were to do it the way that you suggest, the pausing of the fits and starts would wear you out halfway through the day.

[@MikeHeath]

Around here, they don't do "old school X bracing" anymore because right after the carpenter would put in the bracing, the plumber would come and rip half of it out. Later, the HVAC guy would come and rip the other half out. Code required the carpenter to put the bracing in but didn't stop the other trades from taking it out.

[@kengamble8595]

End of the day, pick up tools, look over what got done, think about what needs to be done tomorrow and say THANKS to people involved........ do miss it ! 🙂 Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍

[@10mmfan]

Love the videos and I have never consumed marijuana but when I quickly glanced down my favorites page I thought The Essential Craftsmen had a video titled “Roll The Joints”. I thought “No wonder the old fellow could work so long”.

[@OshawaStateOfMind]

Skippity Do Da LOL

[@xmed0]

eh, I want to build a house now ...

[@greatapoc]

I know you're highly skilled but my goodness my butt was clenching at @3:30. I'm not sure it's really a good idea to show stuff like that. I'm honestly baffled that there's no PPE anywhere on this project.

[@beyondthelol]

harden up butter cup

[@kiwibird8441]

I like the writing on the joist to be up the right way whenever possible hehe. Great video

[@brutaldude]

Kiwi Bird I was looking for “this side up”

[@dcpete3054]

Looks good, I hate to critique anything on this channel, but tell me your not second guessing the shim job on that pony wall, love the channel. Peace

[@omom564]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

[@grumpytanker8258]

>low impact craft Starts impacting stuff with a big hammer.

[@Brackus2]

I think he meant low impact... on his knees? as in, very little walking/lifting/bending, at least in comparison with framing. I will agree however, I caught myself when he said that as well :D

[@andrewalexander9492]

Yeah, I was laughing my self "Low impact" BAM BAM BAM

[@psidvicious]

So the joists come from the factory at 31’ long? Seems like an odd number. Whenever I used engineered joists, we would always order them at the required length so when I saw you cutting them, I thought, “Uh-oh, somebody blew a measurement.” But if I understood you correctly, that’s just the length they were made? ¶ Nate - The video work and editing get better and better every video! Nice work! 🤜🤛

[@earthLTD]

I thought the 31' is after the 1' was cut off.

[@darrinjones9387]

I order them two longer, then trim in field. The extra becomes bridge blocking

[@jameskahn5472]

Have you seen the video of a carpenter showing off the flatness of the top plane of the joists? He shoves a 2 by 4 and it glides across the top of the joists as if were skating on ice. How close to perfect do you need that plane to be?

[@MikeHeath]

@@buildingwithbrian Or a good special effects person.

[@randycarreiro8363]

looks like maybe that pony wall elevation could of been better . but this is fine

[@austinverbeek5822]

Why didn’t you stringline your bearing walls instead of shimming all the joist? The footing must of been really up and down

[@JDeWittDIY]

It still wouldn’t be perfect enough and you’d have to shim anyways. If that’s the case, no reason to do double work. “If you don’t make it perfect, make it adjustable”. Making the pony wall perfect is more work than adjusting with shims.

[@JDeWittDIY]

It still wouldn’t be perfect enough and you’d have to shim anyways. If that’s the case, no reason to do double work. “If you don’t make it perfect, make it adjustable”. Making the pony wall perfect is more work than adjusting with shims.

[@JDeWittDIY]

It still wouldn’t be perfect enough and you’d have to shim anyways. If that’s the case, no reason to do double work. “If you don’t make it perfect, make it adjustable”. Making the pony wall perfect is more work than adjusting with shims.

[@JDeWittDIY]

It still wouldn’t be perfect enough and you’d have to shim anyways. If that’s the case, no reason to do double work. “If you don’t make it perfect, make it adjustable”. Making the pony wall perfect is more work than adjusting with shims.

[@austinverbeek5822]

J DeWitt all you would have to do is string end for end to get the stud heights on the footing and it would be laser straight man. No need for shims. My guess is he went with one stud height on the footing cuz some of the shims were holding the joist up almost 3/8 of an inch

[@DiegoGonzalez-jc1hg]

So glad I found this channel.

[@richardwilken3977]

Why dont you put a rim joist on that top plate and set those I joists right on the treated top plate instead of using all those hangers?

[@nickmakris2971]

There probably trying to gain some height

[@bradcavanagh3092]

You certainly weren't kidding when you said getting those joists in would make it look like a whole lot of progress!

[@roho4373]

These engineered I-beams are a nightmare during house fires. They are the single reason why new homes burn completely into the ground from small fires. Someone should replace the middle I of the i-beam with compressed rockwool. If I had the money I'd start a company. Much cheaper, more strength and almost 100% fire resistant.

[@denisricher1349]

Ken, So nice to get to this point..... especially after all the Planning, Retention, Footings, CMU's etc... Real Nice Job

[@CartersHalloween]

String line the pony wall studs and you dont need to shim. You also now cant carry or transfer the load to all the blocking which will now open your floor to many potential squeeks.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

Agreed. I have been on crews where we built dozens of homes. We never once had to shim the pony wall. You are exactly right, how can the blocks transfer the load from pony wall to subfloor if they never touch? Still love this channel though.

[@matttanglewood2522]

@@user-xt1vs2oz3b I don't think he was intending the blocking to carry a load. More to tie the joist together, prevent them from tipping.

[@SkillBuilder]

Another great video, so relaxing to watch.

[@vmega44]

Sadly, no carpenter is going to follow a string line with and block and shim the joists up to it. That is time consuming and they will be long gone before the squeaking starts. That would be great if money wasn’t the main factor of everything in life. Come to NJ and GC my home project. That would be awesome and a great piece of mind knowing no stone was left unturned. I just introduced my 15 yr old son to your channel. His 1st video was pro tips using a tape measure.

[@J-WHO312]

10 thumbs down????? Must be office workers! Lol

[@hse6144]

j - who? Hey! I enjoy watching this while sitting at my desk in the A/C.

[@J-WHO312]

H Se LOL

[@ajs96350]

I have to admit Scott, I'm a little surprised at having to shim over the pony wall.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

Me too. I've help build dozens of homes and we never once had to shim our pony wall.

[@johnsawatzky9380]

I believe he mentioned in a previous video that he intentionally built the pony wall a tad short so he could shim it to perfect height.

[@user-xt1vs2oz3b]

@@johnsawatzky9380 correct, he did do it on purpose. We were just saying we are surprised he didn't opt for a little extra time and make the pony wall line up.

[@michaelstiller2282]

I work for a builder, I do it all. I put up the temporary service pole. But my primary roll is a finish carpenter, and we install all our doors level to each other. Meaning I have to bench mark the floors decks to find the high and low points. No floor deck is going to be perfect. With that said the framing is going to shrink, the foundation is not. You leveled the floor deck with stick framing and shims. Did you account for shrinking? Most guys dont account for it, and it really prevalent when guys install steel in a home. It make a hump in the home when everything dries out.

[@wildbill23c]

Another great wealth of knowledge in this video. Thanks again...I'll just hang out till your next one LOL.

[@squirrelydan5767]

Scott, I just want you to know that you're my hero and my idol. I aspire to be as cool as you one day. I'm a GC with a VERY expansive background including logging and metalworking (and plumbing, electrical, fine woodworking, tuckpointing, bricklaying, general masonry, concrete, automotive/mechanical, andany other things) and you've helped me to make use of skills I already had that I never would have thought could be useful in other trades. I've been using chainsaws since I was 8 years old but until I watched your videos, I never considered that I could use my chainsaw skills for framing and concrete forming but now, every framing, forming, or demolition job I take on, I always bring at least one chainsaw (usually my Stihl MS271).

[@TheCabledawg1]

Drink every time he says "squeak"

[@oby-1607]

TGI joists or I joists as I call them are really glue with wood fibres pressed together at great pressure until formed. This is about the only time I will let OSB be used in anything I am building due to the increpent absorption of water and subsequent failure of the OSB. Usually caused by inadequate drainage or drying of water from wetting from atmosphere or invasion into the building envelope. Proper venting and drainage is critical with this product and I have seen too many times contractors ignoring these principles.

[@frednowicki7355]

Exactly ! And where is the moisture barrier on sub grade ? Hokey build,but hey,the fans are impressed.

[@HomeShowTV]

I am only at 2:00 But I was watching him cut that stack of joists and I thought that was one cut where you really want to measure twice and cut once! Talk about blowing up the build budget if someone trimmed all the joists a quarter shy. It actually made me tense up and the blood pressure shot up a notch or two just watching it lol.

[@HomeShowTV]

And then I got to 9:00 and I felt like an idiot for posting without watching the whole thing first lol.

[@HomeShowTV]

Then I got to 12:00 and It went from feeling like an idiot to being pretty sure that I am indeed one.

[@Jon-cs9ik]

@@HomeShowTV Hey at least you actually listened! There are a bunch of comments here from people asking why he didn't do this or that when he clearly stated in the beginning that there is too much ground to cover to include every single detail.

[@lostinmyspace4910]

Steve, I have a two storey home and the floor joists on the second floor were tied with criss- cross metal straps. Floor still moves when walking on it. 2 X 8 standard joists, and no glue inder the 3/4 inch ply. Sometimes I hear the metal braces nash against the nail when walking over spots. You recommend pulling the floor, and put blocking to support the strength of the floor??? Thanks for responding back.

[@janetgould9140]

Jeez, some of that is rough work, your blocks are snaking, stagger them, far better.

[@freshstart3555]

The blocks only purpose is to keep joist from rolling ma'am. Yes it is not perfectly straight and doesn't need to be. They were working for time. It's for strength and you'll never see them when floor goes in. He did mention that he was double and triple checking all work before moving on because once they are in, they're in. Great eye ma'am.

[@freshstart3555]

Agree with the staggering though if is possible. I think they blocked directly on top of pony wall 2×4.

[@janetgould9140]

@@freshstart3555 It is a basic principle of force that if you stagger the blocks between joists or noggins between studwork it is stronger and it is easier to do anyway.

[@noocnosaj]

Thank you so much for these videos. I absolutely love them. So informative. So well done. Keep up the awesome work Essential Craftsmen team!

[@captainkirk8873]

curious why not build your pony walls to exact height rather than shimming up to drooping string--creating loss of nail penetration and blocks not bearing

[@_DaemonCleaner]

I really doubt it will be any kind of structural problem, but I was wondering the same since it seems like unecessary extra work.

[@paulkolodner2445]

My guess is that you can't rely on the top of the pony wall or the bottom of the joists to be perfectly straight and level, so you leave a gap for shimming. The string droop still seems like a problem to me.

[@falconeer99]

The concrete footer is unlikely to be perfectly flat and level. Also the dimensional lumber used for the pony wall is never perfectly uniform. I've seen as much as 3/8 variation in dimensional lumber. The shims allow him to compensate for the variation that are common to "natural" materials

[@sh839c]

These videos are over the top in class and content.

[@cheesemaster113]

Whoever apprentices under this guy is going to go out and do great things.