3.0 vs 5.0 NTRP Doubles - Faulty Positioning EXPOSED

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Essential Tennis - Lessons and Instruction for Passionate Players

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@its-a-bountiful-life
@its-a-bountiful-life 4 жыл бұрын
Loved it. This is the kind of stuff I wanted and couldn't find on KZbin. There is already plenty of coaching of the strokes. Not enough of this strategy, thinking, mental side of the game, which I happen to find the most interesting. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
@garfgo
@garfgo 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I am a 4.0 level doubles players. My regular group includes players from 3.5 to 4.5. Some of these guys are very adept at hitting down the alley and every time they pass me down the alley it feels like I just got burned and now I want to cover the alley more. Somehow it feels worse getting beat like that than any other way. I guess I just have to get over it and remember it is just one point.
@telquel7843
@telquel7843 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like another big thing is that if you know they love the alley, squeeze the center to tempt them into that alley shot and be ready to cut it off at the net. Easier said than done but I find I am too passive at the net sometimes. One guy I play with sends it down that alley constantly but a big part of that is that my partner's second serve is fairly easily punished. Serving just well enough to make players uncomfortable helps force them to return something the net player can punish.
@qdj252
@qdj252 3 жыл бұрын
You can always use Ian's fake step! fake moving to the middle as soon as he hits it with your split step then poach the lane if they are hitting the lane often
@thomasmedeiros5722
@thomasmedeiros5722 3 жыл бұрын
I have coached High School Tennis for a long time and drill my my players on how to cover their “Zone” in doubles. First you have to constantly move with the ball. Second you want to isolate one player and double team one of your opponents. Athletes who have played other sports like basketball and hockey seem to understand this tactic. Up the line is a low percentage play. Going up the middle and down at the feet is a much higher percentage shot. So many doubles players at the level that you play don’t work as a team but play a game of singles with 4 players on the court. Doubles requires more tennis skill because you need to volley, hit overheads and be able to place your shots against two opponents. It good doubles one player set it up so their team mate can knock it down. It’s like knowing how to get in position for a rebound in basketball or spike in volleyball. You should practice your net game and try playing lots of serve/approach and volley tennis in practice points to train for doubles.
@telquel7843
@telquel7843 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasmedeiros5722 yeah, my grounsstrokes are far more developed than my overall game and so I find doubles forces me to use the shots I feel least comfortable with. I like playing doubles because it forces me to focus on the things I don't do particularly well. If someone has a good doubles positioning and tactics video to share I'd love that. I can bash from the baseline and construct points around that for ages. But I am way too slow to come to the net when I am in an offensive position and fail to punish soft returns as much as I should 😕
@RandyBurgess
@RandyBurgess 4 жыл бұрын
Other topics: * Placement when partner is pulled off court. * When to switch sides and when not to * Various lineups, serve, and switch strategies and when to attempt them
@alexmates614
@alexmates614 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the great effort you put in doing all this vids all by yourself. Great content! I've learnt a lot!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, Alex!
@CharleneLiesveld16526
@CharleneLiesveld16526 4 жыл бұрын
I also applaud all the work you do to produce these quality videos. I know it isn't a simple thing to do.
@sabinah
@sabinah 4 жыл бұрын
I wish more players were open to recording their matches and sit down and analyze it together after. It really is a lot of fun to learn that way! We think we know what we are doing, but in most cases we really don't. It's very eye opening.
@franfigarotta4760
@franfigarotta4760 3 жыл бұрын
I would be afraid to see myself play. I’ll stick with what my mind thinks!
@ronj9448
@ronj9448 3 жыл бұрын
Nice idea but a bunch of 3.0s looking at the video might just say "wow that was great playing" and miss a lot of these ideas. They would need a pro or someone more experienced to kibitz with them.
@ppsvandijk
@ppsvandijk 4 жыл бұрын
This is very instructive for me: I was tought to cover the line at all cost, seeing balls regularly wooshing through the middle ground. I will definitely reprioritize my real estate focus!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@joyceharris3040
@joyceharris3040 2 жыл бұрын
The movement comparisons were very helpful. Also seeing how movement or lack of the correct moves exposed the middle of the court. This helped me. Thanks
@wijesekarafamily4341
@wijesekarafamily4341 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a junior player who plays mainly singles and is trying to get better for doubles, thanks dude
@MartinJohnZ
@MartinJohnZ 4 жыл бұрын
Someone once told me that when you haven't been passed in the alley at least 4 times in a match, you've been too passive at the net.
@RandyBurgess
@RandyBurgess 4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I love watching on this channel. Strategy and analysis is so valuable and it's definitely what I like for your "What Next?" focus!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the support, Randy!
@nskuro
@nskuro 4 жыл бұрын
Such a great video. I'm a 4.5 player and my wife and her friends are 3.0-3.5 and I tell them all the time about covering more of the middle vs the alley. I sent this along to them all.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@dottiewiencek4527
@dottiewiencek4527 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and explaining ONe lady I play with lobs so much maybe 90% of the time. What is the best way to cover for me and my partner
@markoshun
@markoshun 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, wish a lot of players I play with would watch your vids. I don’t often hear this ‘cover the alley’ with guys my level, but I do when playing against/with lower level and mixed doubles players. My observation is that at lower levels there is not much movement/poaching going on, and often attackable serves. So, when I hear this, my first thought is that they are warning me that their serve is going to drop in slow and set up nicely for receiver to attack the alley. I’ll watch the alley, but don’t move over, at least until the receiver proves they can hit past me down the alley on a regular basis. It’s just not that easy against an active net player, even off a slow serve.
@marynishiyama8962
@marynishiyama8962 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! I play a lot of ladies doubles where both opponents move into the volley position quickly. Would love some tips and points for strategy!
@micheleking1712
@micheleking1712 4 жыл бұрын
Love this Ian, thank you! Also, the technology you are using is SO visually helpful. One thing I noticed when you were playing, you peeked at your partner prior to the shift. Is this something that 3.5-4.0 players should be doing? We have been taught not to turn around (so we don't get hit with the ball). Just something I noticed. Also, I am really learning from the comparison with the two different level courts.
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about the ball hitting you- it's just a tennis ball. In general you should have enough info without looking backwards based on the speed, angle and spin of the stroke your opponent hits. Want to know how your partner responded- quick glance is fine.
@CarltonSooHoo
@CarltonSooHoo 4 жыл бұрын
Everything you said makes sense. My challenge, at the 3.5 level, is my fear of being hit in the back by my partner's return stroke. I tend to step a little more towards the alley to give my partner more room to return. Same dynamic when my partner serves and I am closer to the alley for fear of being hit by the serve. Perhaps you can address the psychology of these fears. I have no problem moving towards the middle in anticipation of cutting down the angle of my opponent's stroke.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You make a really good point, Carlton! I'll definitely address it in the future.
@Einar2008
@Einar2008 4 жыл бұрын
I've coached a lot of high school students at and below your level, and a lot of them had the same fear. I found that for a lot of them it was a fear of the unknown. They didn't know what it felt like to get hit, and once they experienced it they weren't as worried. Getting hit never feels good, but it's not the same as getting hit with a baseball or softball. Generally, be the end of their first season they had either been hit by an opponent, a teammate, or accidentally by a coach at practice. Then the fears mostly went away.
@hochiglenn
@hochiglenn 4 жыл бұрын
If I feel my partner doesn't have a whole lot of control I will crouch down more. Even if I do get hit, its not bad at all.
@jamespearsoniii914
@jamespearsoniii914 4 жыл бұрын
Several of the players I play with do the same thing! The easiest solution is watching your partner serve and stepping over as it passes you. Or you can play a little back and step in just after the serve. *both of these assume your partner isn’t crushing some +60mph serve😅
@ronj9448
@ronj9448 3 жыл бұрын
I play with some wild servers so I also am off a bit to give them room. But the second I see it pass me I get ready to change depending on its direction because that position is no longer useful once the ball makes it over the net.
@taroaikawa
@taroaikawa 4 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video. Keep "em coming. More analysis of club level doubles play.
@lalameinc
@lalameinc 4 жыл бұрын
This is the doubles analysis content I suggested and I appreciate very much that you listened. I hope others are watching as it is only works when both partners are aware of the proper court positioning. I agree that the alley is given too much priority. As the saying goes, down the middle solves the riddle." I find that when I cover the middle the ball comes to me like a magnet. If you are at the net you have to read the returner to make sure he is not going down the alley. Even if you are covering the middle you can protect the alley by taking one cross step. If the returner hits a perfect shot down the alley then tip your hat to him. Thanks! Take care and stay safe.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your support very much, Glen!
@cinema927
@cinema927 4 жыл бұрын
Good video Ian -- for more advanced players, I'd love to see the strategy and plays you like to run to create the space on the court to win points, e.g. slicing the ad court service return cross-court that pulls the server in and makes them hit up to the return partner at the net, serving wide and server partner pinches to the middle to volley the return back through the middle, hitting high and deep to the baseliner's backhand and poaching the response with a forehand volley, etc.
@frenchpj
@frenchpj 4 жыл бұрын
Good Afternoon, Ian I'd like to see more tips on when to poach in dubs. Thanks
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Great topic!
@sykounek3861
@sykounek3861 4 жыл бұрын
If the return from my partner lands to the opposite baseliner and not the net player? Should I move closer to the alley?
@TennisTrollChannel
@TennisTrollChannel 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, saying ‘cover your alley’ to your partner freezes them at the net.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
It ABSOLUTELY does. Could possibly be the worst thing you can say to a doubles partner.
@nickbyrd1027
@nickbyrd1027 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I always encourage them to "Be active and do what feels right and comfortable!"
@mrfofung
@mrfofung 4 жыл бұрын
I have only said cover the alley if I’m serving out wide or if my opponent is historically known to go for the alley during certain situations
@atrem7942
@atrem7942 4 жыл бұрын
At all the club's I worked with in the past 15 years, I hear the myth of you cover the alley at the net. When I first started playing I fell victim to those people. Didn't enjoy dubbles at all, it was boring, standing there just beside the alley waiting for those 3 balls I saved. Missing half the opportunities because I was watching a different court. Only getting involved when I played at the baseline really. For many that is how it stays. Because the group they play with tell his that how you suppose play. These people often never took a lesson in their lives. Most even enjoy playing the game that way.
@liavshamriz1806
@liavshamriz1806 4 жыл бұрын
As a low level player that is always getting a strong partner, I must say that you are absolutely right. It is paralyzing.You just so afraid of getting a point through the ally that it's the only thing on your mind.
@davidballou8693
@davidballou8693 4 жыл бұрын
Right on with this presentation. I have a friend who plays double with me and he actually stands in the doubles alley. It dries me crazy because the middle becomes huge, exoecially when I am receiving a wide serve.
@alpsters13
@alpsters13 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, one of the clearest explanations I have seen. Seems like so many doubles players (at my measly 3.5 level anyway) are hesitant to move to the center line when I get pulled wide. Love your channel, as a lefty,they are SO helpful!
@alisonspray7782
@alisonspray7782 4 жыл бұрын
I was much more aware of how I moved at the net to avoid opening-up the court after this video and it worked! Thank you.
@jefferywjohnson12
@jefferywjohnson12 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, I really appreciate your analysis and breakdown comparing levels - this is what I was thinking when I made my comment about what should come next for ET...
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, great to hear, Jeffery!
@aaronrichey7801
@aaronrichey7801 4 жыл бұрын
Keep the doubles strategy coming! Love it
@marinaa4767
@marinaa4767 4 жыл бұрын
You are the best of many tennis instructors!
@miketang7533
@miketang7533 4 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown on double movements. Valuable lesson. Thank you.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Very welcome!
@thomasgavris855
@thomasgavris855 4 жыл бұрын
Ian please man continue this series. This is exactly what I need. I'm at a decent level but my tactics have always lacked and I feel that this is what is missing from my game. Hopefully these videos will help me go to the next level. Thanks
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you've been enjoying them, Thomas! These videos will absolutely help....IF you apply what you learn! 🙂
@rakeshpahuja4112
@rakeshpahuja4112 4 жыл бұрын
After seeing this video I tried it on court to cover the centre as much as possible instead of the side lines which I used to ...it made me a better player in terms of volley and winning... thank you for your videos.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, so happy to hear that!
@chrisbos8116
@chrisbos8116 2 жыл бұрын
Very clear message, thanx. Love your style!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your support, Chris!
@stephanievanhorn6203
@stephanievanhorn6203 4 жыл бұрын
Love this! Thanks so much! I have had this problem playing with partners that sit over by the alley and leave 75% of the court open for me to cover. What about some content on when to poach? I feel like I miss a lot of poachable balls because I'm afraid to make my partner switch sides. How do you know when to poach and how close to the net should you be? Thanks!
@scochaso
@scochaso 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Ian! I would love to see a video about when/how to move forward and press the net (singles or doubles). I often find that I move in at the wrong time or I hit the wrong shot on my approach and set myself up for an easy lob/pass. Either that or I just need to get better at playing the net. :)
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Great topic. I'll add it to my list, Scott!
@martyblack9582
@martyblack9582 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. I play weekly doubles with a group of seniors, 4.5 guys. But there's one 5.0 in our group who often dominates the court with his positioning and movement. When he's at net, he'll squeeze the center and give up about half of the alley. He'll "graciously congratulate" (and encourage!) anyone who beats him down the line knowing that he'll win about 80% of those points. The better players cover the center of the court and force their opponents to beat them on the outside. That's a good strategy.
@braddavidson1659
@braddavidson1659 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, this very video is what I would (should) have said I would like to see next! Thank you for clearly showing me what I do wrong!! Can't wait to get get back on the court to better my positioning.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, Brad! Are you one of the players in the example clips I used?
@braddavidson1659
@braddavidson1659 4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Easily could have been one of the up players covering the alley. No more though!
@imagesbyjk
@imagesbyjk 4 жыл бұрын
I understand covering the big areas of the middle. What I’d like to see you address is how to also cover the alley on the next shot. In my 4.0 group we have about a dozen players and virtually all of them are very good at and love to finish up the alley. On occasion we have new players play with us who love to take the tennis drills where the pro “drills” into them the importance of covering the middle. And we eat them alive hitting up the alley.
@rayrozema5960
@rayrozema5960 4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Consider discussing where to hit/place volley/poaches as influenced by opponents position. Middle , sharp angle etc.
@gordogordo1698
@gordogordo1698 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video. More doubles strategy is always appreciated.
@peterochester2320
@peterochester2320 4 жыл бұрын
I recall you at some point using a triangle to show how the court shifts based on where the ball is hit. This is an easy way to show positioning and how the partners move together.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful, Pete!
@chrisporter2184
@chrisporter2184 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you consider poaching strategies at a 4.0 and higher level for future topic
@tombirkland
@tombirkland 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I stumbled across this and your other videos. You seem to be finding all my faults and errors! ;-) Seriously, I am learning a lot about court coverage here, and now that I am quite a bit older than I was during my most active tennis playing days, I need to play smarter, not faster. I have a doubles match tonight and cannot wait to put some of this knowledge to use. Thanks!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, Tom!
@BrianNalls
@BrianNalls 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, can you show a higher level match (4.0+) where server or returner comes in, then that team gets lobbed?
@ellamckenziescott4036
@ellamckenziescott4036 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation of doubles court coverage. Thanks and will use it next time on court!
@phumphry
@phumphry 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the sharer, very gutsy Will! Ian do you remember I emailed you once about a comment that Kevin once made in a Shankcast podcast "Doubles is all about taking time away from your opponent" that sort just went by un-noticed and un-remarked? If you agree with it, that might make a good topic for a video. Thanks....
@willa5701
@willa5701 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@nancyhernandez2271
@nancyhernandez2271 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Movement that does that is so important! I would love to see more of that!
@phumphry
@phumphry 4 жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed that Ian's got this on his to-do list! 🤞🤞
@vectorthurm
@vectorthurm 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect Ian!! I really appreciate how tennis can resemble basketball and football ( sports I also played and enjoy the dynamics of team play). Tennis can cause us to become self absorbed and NOT want to be the one who messes up..super exposed during doubles when a player becomes passive! Great video!
@leebr2010
@leebr2010 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian. Once you get passed down the alley, it's like you're forever in fear of getting passed again so you guard it with your life. Big mistake as you pointed out. Please also post more singles strategy, preferably with some actual point played for demonstration. Thanks for posting.
@lynnbucknam6607
@lynnbucknam6607 4 жыл бұрын
Love that you are sharing strategy and court positioning. Thank you!
@seanabercrombie459
@seanabercrombie459 4 жыл бұрын
This was really helpful. Comparing the two levels for each scenario is a great technique to drive home the lesson. I would appreciate seeing more of these comparisons used in future videos for both singles and doubles play. Cheers!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear you enjoyed it, Sean! Thanks for the feedback.
@rosiecrespo8856
@rosiecrespo8856 4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that that you are using "relatable level" players and situations!!!!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Good to hear!
@billhughes5662
@billhughes5662 4 жыл бұрын
In the third demonstration Kevin's starting point is close to the service box. One effect of his being there is it makes the box look a smaller target to the server: that positioning pressures the server just a little bit,
@michaeluyeno8291
@michaeluyeno8291 4 жыл бұрын
The same thing is true of the returner. When the server's partner "covers" the alley, it leaves a big open space for the returner. When the server's partner squeezes the middle, it makes the returner's space seem smaller because he must avoid getting poached by the server's partner.
@stephenparkin209
@stephenparkin209 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Cant wait to use on the court. especially the triangle move...they might think Im crazy but Im going to do it
@fragba1tt
@fragba1tt 4 жыл бұрын
Keep the strategy content coming ! In 3.5 doubles, the serve is not always the weapon we need it to be, and the return can be targetted down the alley. What would be a good place to stand when the serve is not looking strong enough?
@rbraxley
@rbraxley 4 жыл бұрын
This is great, but I'd like to see the points you're using play out. It's frustrating to not see the point. Maybe play it thru and then do the analysis. My 2¢.
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the feedback! It's a tricky thing because you can do the "wrong" thing and still win the point....just like you can do the "right" thing and lose it! Players tend to be obsessed about the outcome instead of being focused on the process and as a result often get really stuck in bad patterns. Hope that makes sense!
@gracehuang2062
@gracehuang2062 4 жыл бұрын
@@EssentialTennis I get rewarded for doing the wrong thing often enough to make it hard to break away from bad habits. Btw, the match against Scott and Nate was fun to watch!!!
@tonix1993
@tonix1993 4 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@alexandergoldman
@alexandergoldman 4 жыл бұрын
At 5:40... what happens if the next shot by the opponent comes down the line? Seems like there's now a gaping hole down the side..
@actone1030
@actone1030 4 жыл бұрын
Fab extremely helpful video Ian!! In most cases this is right on strategy, but there are some players who are quite proficient in hitting down an open ally. What to do then? Getting "passed" at net is not fun & often times invites a stern "watch your alley" response from one's partner. Thanks again sir!!
@chicajill435
@chicajill435 4 жыл бұрын
Loved this video! Our pro tells us this all the time but it's great to see it so clearly. Also, love the video teaching tool. I wish our club hand it.
@charliewarner9895
@charliewarner9895 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Ian. I love the monitor and your software!
@patrickmartone8107
@patrickmartone8107 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Will improve my doubles play for sure!!!
@katebobrow-strain5656
@katebobrow-strain5656 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the comparison between these levels of play, very helpful!
@joehasenauer1288
@joehasenauer1288 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. Just this week I played dbls with a friend and he did precisely what you described, hugged the alley. Several times he could have picked off a return down the middle by moving just a step or two toward the middle. Frustrating, but I wasn't about to give a lesson in the middle of the match.
@juanmanuelsuarez189
@juanmanuelsuarez189 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for all the knowlegde you share with us. Which App do you use to do the analysis?
@atrem7942
@atrem7942 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, totally agree. What I would like to see is how you put things together the tactical side & technical side. How they are in twined. Some of the mistakes of the 3.0 players made have a technical also a technical flaw hiding. 3.0 players looks back to see how his partner is doing. You only looked back to see how far he was off the court, to see if you should move to the middle looking back to your opponents instantly. Split stepping ready for your opportunity. 3.0 keeps watching not moving but spectating what is going to happen next. The opponents could have moved any where without him knowing ( he can't see). Also when he does look forward again he needs to adjust his focus again on 3 different things netplayer position baseline, player position & the ball. That why many coaches get the response if I have to think it goes wrong because they don't give themselves the time to think& react. in split second before making choices to pouch or not & to move. So he is just standing there. Making students aware of those little things helps them out a lot.
@marcnoble9319
@marcnoble9319 4 жыл бұрын
I've been playing for years and it drives me crazy when people just stand in the alley. I've tried to show people to move to the middle but have gotten a lot of negative comments about leaving the alley open. Way too many amateur players are stuck in very poor strategic decision making and worse yet, refusing to change.
@nitroneal4998
@nitroneal4998 4 жыл бұрын
Marc Noble same, as a teen when adults tell me to move, I try to explain that the middle is the best place and they just don’t get it. It’s extremely frustrating
@darinanderson9708
@darinanderson9708 3 жыл бұрын
Are there any specific numbers available to show how alley shots are less effective (winners) than middle shots?
@manuelmoraespinola5311
@manuelmoraespinola5311 2 жыл бұрын
Awsome video, Ian! Please, keek oferint those incredible videos! A huge from Barcelona!
@anejermenc2448
@anejermenc2448 3 жыл бұрын
I have dubels today thanks for helping
@mohamedmada4159
@mohamedmada4159 4 жыл бұрын
Keep at it Ian thanks so much for such content
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, Mohamed!
@garethonthetube
@garethonthetube 4 жыл бұрын
If I serve wide to the deuce court, I often find that a good deep return beats my net payer too easily down the alley. There is simply just too much space for them to cover. Is it worth briefing them to cross to the right straight after the serve clears the net, and I move left to cover the return?
@yaohuang2788
@yaohuang2788 3 жыл бұрын
It is an awesome video! Thank you very much! I played in several doubles match where my opponent kept on lob and hit the ball away from me. So my question is when should I move back to the service line? I felt I couldn’t help my partner. Thank you!
@BuzzBolla
@BuzzBolla 4 жыл бұрын
I consider myself a good...decent double player, and often in team competitions I find myself "lead" the couple as far as positioning and strategy are concerned: I'm usually been told "cover the alley" from my partners or I need to try to convice him not to leave the centre unguarded, because I would be covering 70% of the court that way. Nonetheless, this video helped me understand better the one other video you made of "moving along a triangle" in doubles, this explanation made that pattern way clearer and useful.
@jrobuck21
@jrobuck21 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. You talked about players feeling the need to protect the alley and talked about protecting the middle instead. Makes sense because the middle is the high percentage shot. However, you didn’t address how to manage the alley. The reason club players protect the alley is they get beat down the alley a lot. I suspect the answer is that the net player needs to keep moving and move toward the alley when their opponent has a shot that could go down the alley but it would be helpful to hear you address this.
@alansherman1
@alansherman1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks , made Court positioning clearer .
@stephenmolloy4244
@stephenmolloy4244 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. One of my real pet peeves is when I am covering the middle and our opponent hits an absolutely brilliant winner down the line only for my partner to angrily tell me to "cover your tram/line". I must show them this video! Thank you! :) That said, I know there are times when I perhaps mistime my move and leave them a relatively easy shot down the line. A video with advice on this would be fantastic.
@jefferywjohnson12
@jefferywjohnson12 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, Stephen - especially when your partner serves either a 'gimme' serve or serves to the opponent's strength, and then proceeds to berate you for not covering the line!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent topic!
@Motenai
@Motenai 4 жыл бұрын
One of the classical mistakes for lower level doubles players (or inexperienced) is that the players at the net tend to follow the ball past them going to their partners'. This way they cannot see what's happening in front of them and they cannot react in time whenever their opponents poach or move, etc. I'm always teaching my students to keep focused on the fact that the ball will ALWAYS come from the front and never from the back. You can see this in the video as well. Also, regarding the first shot, it would be OK for Kevin to cover closer to the alley if he knew you were chip and charging and covering the mid zone. He moved instinctly to the left because he didn't notice (I presume) you were going at the same spot. Still good fundamentals tho :D As always, great job.
@andrewtaylor6286
@andrewtaylor6286 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to watch more of your match versus Nate & Scott!!
@irvinmacquarrie9202
@irvinmacquarrie9202 4 жыл бұрын
Good work. I would love to see a breakdown of I formation and Aussies formation.
@AndrewKaplan203
@AndrewKaplan203 4 жыл бұрын
OMG what great stuff. I try to move back like Scott does but never really understood why. Now I really do understand. Love the concept of the most valuable real estate. As they say "Solve the riddle, hit down the middle. Love all of your videos, they have definitely helped my game. Especially love your comedy videos.
@scottsmith-rl4gi
@scottsmith-rl4gi 4 жыл бұрын
Great real life analysis. Keep them coming! Thanks
@jaquevius
@jaquevius 4 жыл бұрын
Love this. More doubles content and strategy in particular is much appreciated.
@jennydemmer3674
@jennydemmer3674 2 жыл бұрын
Love it, please do kore doubles tactics
@susan9270
@susan9270 4 жыл бұрын
What do you recommend if your opponent net player can make that sharp angle shot at will or the baseliner can make the alley shot consistently?
@MPT458
@MPT458 4 жыл бұрын
can you do the same thing but let the rally play out more? once things get messy, it's confusing and everything is a scramble
@billlopez8785
@billlopez8785 4 жыл бұрын
Squeezing the center also has the effect of narrowing the target area the other side has to hit to. Just be sure to keep your eyes open though because it does open up the alley. An alert player will put it down the line. If the opposite side net player covers too close to the alley, hit wide cross court to move the back player out of position. Then hit down the middle hard for a winner. Thanks for sharing Ian, some good points people need to be aware of. I see poachers put the ball right down the middle for easy winners.
@marcesses4005
@marcesses4005 4 жыл бұрын
2 requests!! 1. How can you tell what number level you are 2. Review of the app called SwingVision (Looks like some awesome tennis analysis)
@chrismitchell9687
@chrismitchell9687 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, am forwarding this video to my doubles partner:)
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 3 жыл бұрын
you know it!
@haydnmatthews3856
@haydnmatthews3856 2 жыл бұрын
How soon should partners move up to service line
@marcnoble9319
@marcnoble9319 4 жыл бұрын
Really good stuff. I only wish that some of the people I play with would watch some of these videos. I've recommended to some of my colleague some of these ideas and recommended these videos but rarely does anyone do it. I've taken a lot of the advice and don't guard the alley and do a lot more moving up and back to protect the middle. Am I winning more points, sure, but if your partner is still guarding the alley and standing still, well, there is only so much one can do when you're playing doubles. I just try to take satisfaction that I'm playing better and doing the right thing most of the time.
@npug2000
@npug2000 4 жыл бұрын
Great information! Thank you again!
@EssentialTennis
@EssentialTennis 4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, Nancy!
@telquel7843
@telquel7843 3 жыл бұрын
I've been so guilty of this before. Feeling like I'm doing nothing at the net. Getting stuck there and not really covering anything. Thanks for forcing me to address this.
@johnmerrill5633
@johnmerrill5633 4 жыл бұрын
Any way you could have an East-West doubles match with you and Will Hamilton versus Jeff Salzenstien and Brady Hiete?
@ellealicando0124
@ellealicando0124 3 жыл бұрын
Loving this new content you put out. 👏👏👏
@CoachAdrian
@CoachAdrian 4 жыл бұрын
What app are you using for your telestrator? That looks like a great tool!
@barbgreen5347
@barbgreen5347 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ian. I think my partner and I will go ahead and crush our opponents today in our USTA 3.5 match, thanks to a few adjustments that we will make after watching this video. :-)
@jazzmaster349
@jazzmaster349 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, I appreciate your video and understand the value of covering the middle, but a lot of the players I play against like to challenge going down the line and hit loopy High cross court shots. How should I play against this style?
@literry74
@literry74 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian. This is great analysis and strategy.
@garryokeeffe591
@garryokeeffe591 6 ай бұрын
I've tried this and I keep getting passed down the alley. This happened 3 times in my last match. I was playing on the right and facing a left handed player who is much better than me. My partner is also better than me but has a relatively weak forehand, he returned the ball cross court and I moved in a similar way to the 5.0 net player in the game you are showing. The next I know the ball is flying down my alley at speed with my opponent saying thanks for leaving such a big gap. He did also added that I moved to early again I don't know how to fix that. I agree with everything you are saying but I can't seem to get it to work when my partner has a weak forehand. Thanks for making these videos, I'm getting a lot of insight from them even if I not improving.
@DanielLamHN
@DanielLamHN 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful. Await more double tactical clips to improve our mindgame - low level 3.0 to 5.0. These make us more confident that we are moving properly in the game, not in the stupid way . Thank you.
@sherryvilla6519
@sherryvilla6519 4 жыл бұрын
how to obtain more velocity on a serve
@vladimirzaltsman3542
@vladimirzaltsman3542 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. Have always arguments from my 3.0 players when I push them to the middle.
@rsnatchell9685
@rsnatchell9685 3 жыл бұрын
u cover the middle i will hit it down the line, u stay close to net then i lob you, u stay at base line then i drop u, u drop me i usually drop u back...
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