Eternal Madness - Tulip Mania - European History - Part 5 - Extra History

[@extrahistory]

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[@ree-8003]

Gonna be honest, this was fire

[@JohnSmith-kw6be]

I liked the closing talking point.

[@bradynhopkins3580]

You all should do the rail road bubble next.

[@LexiLunarpaw]

How soft is Zoey?

[@dumolollen7676]

A video on Lloyd's of London

[@Kirsanov]

"early historians drew on them as if they were completely accurate" Ah, yes. Can't wait for future historians to take political memes on Reddit at face value.

[@Harsh-tf9he]

"so class, today we are studying the profound effects of kermit the frog on 21st century politics"

[@darkknightmage]

Now Class we see here a man asking the pertinent question of, "is this a pigeon" while gesturing towards a butterfly. obviously questioning the ideals at the time and their impact on society

[@inqy8339]

Note the prevalence of the phrase “winter is coming” in early 21st century political art. This suggests the people of the time were concerned about inadequate provision for sudden blizzards.

[@royalpayn4089]

Or worse, Facebook. Deadass these future historians are gunna think that Minions are the Cherubs of the 20th cantury

[@Alusnovalotus]

@@inqy8339 and where was the inaccuracy in that??

[@GeneralLuigiTBC]

I imagine the tulips were a welcome change for Sultan Ahmed III after having to put up with King Charles XII's shenanigans.

[@cfv7461]

Worst. Tea party invitee. Ever.

[@kevinneutzling8267]

Alright time to call the sheriff-oh wait I’m the sheriff.

[@Seth9809]

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[@src175]

@@Seth9809 From Extra History's Great Northern War series. Swedish king Charles XII basically holed himself up in Ottoman lands and refused to leave after suffering a terrible loss against Peter I of Russia. Sultan Ahmed III just really wanted him to go home, regretting letting him stay in the first place.

[@cometmoon4485]

@@src175 That sounds like an episode of a cheesy sitcom.

[@NOSPYNILVAC]

As a Dutchie I learned about this in school because my economics teacher had a thing for this event. All though they are very plain the fields here in april and may are just awesome, imagine a sea of rainbow colours. Loved this series, just one thing I missed. The dutc(calvinist) saying "act normal for normal is weird enough" really took root after this debacle.

[@TheSecondVersion]

4:00 - "Monkeys were used as a symbol of foolishness." Even *that* carried over to NFTs

[@LM-kg5vs]

Love that the relic worship was Helga's Arnold head masterpiece from Hey Arnold. Major nostalgia!

[@alexandrejosedacostaneto381]

Hey Arnold was awesome

[@CoachVicTheLandInvestor]

im so glad im not the only one who noticed this!

[@Blak2blue]

Hahha yes!!! 😆

[@ScarletRebel96]

I'm glad to hear bout the last part as I actually ordered some holland tulips over this series as gardening is a huge hobbie of mine but its a flower I never had much of a second thought on before until this exciting series , thanks for expanding my garden Extra Credits

[@ccggenius]

You won't regret the decision if you know someone who provides musical accompaniment to ball games that you want to heap accolades upon. There's nothing quite like tulips on your organ.

[@MagiTailWelkin]

The Railway Mania is also an amazing tell. George Hudson would be one of the central figures. When you get something called the Grand London and Dublin Approximation Railway that's the point you know to get off the Looney Express.

[@jasonhaven7170]

What's the Grand London and Dublin Approximation Railway?

[@MagiTailWelkin]

@@jasonhaven7170 It was a company registered in the 1840s. I don't know much else beyond the name, just be that alone you should get the idea.

[@percevilleburns7100]

I'm dying at the fact that at @7:41, that's Trazyan the infinite in the middle of the thought bubble. Biggest kleptomaniac in all of 40k. I see what you did there.

[@blakethesnek1]

TRAZYN! YOU'VE PURCHASED US BOX SEATS TO A COUP!

[@tahamoukhliss8420]

So it's a Warhammer 40k mania?

[@anoninunen]

So what I'm hearing is that what we know of Tulip Mania is from a satire of real events, but that actual traders saw the upswing of the market and decided to copy the sceme wholesale. Likely the same people who feel inspired by "The Wolf of Wallstreet".

[@PossessedPotatoBird]

“Everything the British did, the Dutch did first and oftentimes better”

[@gargoyles9999]

Tulip Mania ain’t got nothin on the South Sea Bubble

[@cfv7461]

@@gargoyles9999 yeah that's the point

[@hugovandyk9918]

@@gargoyles9999 The Dutch's success here is measured in how the crisis was managed. Not the size they managed to grow the crisis to.

[@eudstersgamersquad6738]

@@bigben9889 Yes. Walpole is secretly behind the NFT! It’s true!

[@SidheKnight]

In fact, Walpole is the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.

[@Olanius_Pius666]

I Love how Trazen is just standing there in the buble about collecting things...

[@ichduoderer1498]

perfect eastereg

[@biggdaddymiller]

I am sure the rich & Calvinist were profiting from the loss on both ends; 1) they commissioned books and plays to be sold; to make money from them and to eliminate competition. 2) They used the debt, experience of growing tulips, promises of limited profit to get folks from lower classes to farm their tulips. 3) they used the tanking of the tulip economy to create demand outside of the country by buying tulips at lower prices and reselling it; or outright destroy them if there was no profit. This way they control the profits.

[@shawnheatherly]

This is how history gets muddled: taking things at face value.

[@johnsimon8457]

6:10 cracking up at that tulip in a paper airplane “Yaaaaaay!” Also love how you did the research on Dutch clothes and hairstyles - definitely reflected here.

[@DomyTheMad420]

I'm gonna keep thanking you and the patrons for choosing to cover the Tulip Mania. one of the coolest stories to ever come out of NL

[@nicholruaya8120]

The bubblegum statue in Helga's shrine from Hey Arnold as an example of relic worship sent me

[@malachiphoniex8501]

You should do more episodes on little understood events: History of Inoculation, the Armenian Genocide, and the Taiping Rebellion.

[@nickyoung9108]

Funny about that, Taiping Rebellion was put up for vote previously on the theme of religious wars. It was outvoted by 30 Years War. I think Taiping got 2nd out of 4 choices.

[@andresalvarez5415]

They kinda do vaccines and medicine every now and then.

[@ВаняШироков-ш9н]

Должен похвалить вас, автор комментария, за недюжую храбрость, ибо одно упоминание геноцида армян, как известно, вызывает полнейший бордак.

[@danzoom]

@@ВаняШироков-ш9н я думал так только среди турков, хотя скорее всего подобные люди встречаются везде, так что неудивительно.

[@ВаняШироков-ш9н]

@@danzoom, ну да. Кстати, интересно было бы также послушать о геноциде черкесов. Об этом событии даже у нас мало кто знает.

[@hadrian270]

The drawing for "Relic Worship" is exactly what I needed.

[@VitaNewbo]

Now that you've mentioned the Railway Mania, I'm curious about it. Any chance you could cover it?

[@VitaNewbo]

This video linking to the South Sea Bubble is honestly perfect.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

2:35 "...they were often written in the form of a two-person dialogue so they could be read aloud like plays in taverns." Me: It's a shame that people trying to be funny and appeal to the public don't write that way anymore. EC: About that...

[@Loremastrful]

What do you meme?

[@prestonjones1653]

I don't get it.

[@Ubrzani]

"We're all maniacs for something." BOOM! Right on the spot! 🙌

[@Bloodlyshiva]

You can't spell 'fanatic' without 'fan'.

[@commandercritic9036]

“We’re all maniacs for something.” Me: nervously side eyes my Warhammer collection 😅

[@eliscanfield3913]

My mom had tulips in her garden forever. (or at least as far back as my memory's reliable). I do love them.

[@Katpiratefan275]

"We're all maniacs woth something" Tea, movies, coins.

[@doggodrinkingbepis4646]

I wasn't expecting a reference to Hey Arnold in a video about tulips, but I'm not complaining. 5:03

[@Alusnovalotus]

Ok. Gotta say I loved the Hey Arnold! Reference. Love ya guys!

[@royalpayn4089]

I have an ongoing theory that if you slap the words limited edition on anything, no matter how worthless it is, you'll find suckers willing to pay any price.

[@PilkScientist]

Oh. So the popular Tulip Mania story comes from one of those books of funny stories that you keep in the bathroom, which tell you about things like the tulip mania. That makes so much sense now.

[@PsychoSavager289]

5:03 - well, there's a Hey Arnold reference I didn't know I still had locked away in my brain

[@animeguy3221]

This series about Tulips had no affect on me whats so ever.... *_Starts browsing for the most rare Tulips on the internet_*

[@ethanomcbride]

In my troubled youth I too fell into the sinful arms of Hey Arnold idol worship

[@hebl47]

8:17 that dig at "music" television! I love it!

[@NicoBabyman1]

5:03 Don’t think you can sneak that “Hey Arnold!” reference past me!

[@DC-hy2rg]

Perfect ending to one of your best series. Cheers! (also, loved the little "Hey Arnold!" reference)

[@NazarTimofeyev]

This channel made me fall in love with history.

[@musicalDrebin]

Wait so it goes books, baby, Trazyn the infinite, burger, Pikachu ? I relate to this more than I should probably admit

[@wdubbelo]

you forgot to ad that the former sea floor we farm on is very good for growing tulips and thats also the reason we have so much of them

[@adamkampen]

Great series on the Tulip Mania! As one of Nederland background it was really neat to learn about. I enjoyed watching these over my lunch breaks at work

[@silver-ag4437]

I learned two things. One, that humans love to exaggerate in order to make things advantageous for themselves. And two, humans just like pretty flowers.

[@cdcdrr]

Extra Credit: calls kale a fad in a video about the Netherlands. Me: You mean boerenkool stamppot?

[@deanbuss1678]

Thanks!

[@foulpilgrim5285]

Seeing Trazyn the Infinite appear at 7:41 made my day. So damn fitting for an episode about collecting 👏👏👏

[@BienvenidoAlHoloceno]

I've being doing some gardening and redecorating my balcony lately and while I watched your video I was thinking "hmmm maybe I could buy some tulips" just before you got to the part about the team not caring particularly about tulips until they started making this video series haha. I think I'm gonna get some tulips now :)

[@Kyerishrose]

You’re right. This series was so fascinating that I’d like to learn more and get some tulips too!

[@TheCreepypro]

it never ceases to amaze me how people often forget that anything has worth because we say it does nothing for the most part has intrinsic worth only the worth we assign to it with very few and rare exceptions

[@EllpaFox47]

Yeah I mean, they covered that way back in the Paper Money videos

[@mxk6104]

i have to admit, if someone handed me a blockprint of me being called a fool here in the 21st century, i'd be outraged and astonished.

[@ruthbennett7563]

Why do you imagine the most well known NFT features a limited edition monkey? People are lining up & paying out the nose to be in on their own insult. Ugh.

[@christianhumer3084]

I was on a visit in Rotterdam, and bought tulips, just because I thought: Netherlands=Tullips. And that was before I knew the strory lol

[@quietone610]

@8:00 ...and it isn't worth a PENNY more or less! Price controls only serve to starve or flood the market--they don't make the price change any. Example: Helium was ONCE so abundant that we thought nothing of using it in party balloons by the dozens. NOW, available sources run flat as we pour it into every MRI and cryo-intense machine we need. The price is too damn low, and now backlogs run high. Conversely, cheese has value, but in the U.S.A. its price was deemed "too low" to sustain dairy farms. The government stepped in to subsidize dairy, and now has TONS of it, aging in some vault in the midwest like a misbegotten Parma.

[@fsdds1488]

I love the fact that some of the production members started to get fond of tulips, because that's exactly how I get into tea bowls, I have a small research to do on tea bowls and in a sudden I just want to have one.

[@nelsonchereta816]

Q: What is a thing worth? A: Whatever someone else is willing and able to pay for it. This is a basic core concept of economics that predates the invention of money.

[@robgraham5697]

We are not thinking machines that feel. We are feeling machines that think. - Antonio DiMassio.

[@Kholdstare52]

That Hey Arnold reference.... *Chef's Kiss *

[@nickyoung9108]

Glad I wasn't the only one who spotted it.

[@TheWolfwiththeDragon]

7:41 Considering the details on it compared to everything else, it feels like someone was very excited to draw that Trazyn the Infinite.

[@mariaeduardav.s.4201]

I’d love a video about the British railway bubble! I never heard of it before and would love to learn more !!

[@RobertJW]

The British Railway Bubble? Another series on that bubble, please!

[@EduardoEscarez]

I like how the ad version here is most times better than the version on Nebula only because of the ad. That drop of "Music" in the MTV logo 😂😂

[@MrGoncalobraz]

As a history teacher I'll forever keep the moment Extra Credits said journalists don't care about fact checking close to my heart.

[@spacesurgeon253]

Wait a second- Did you guys just include Trazyn because this series is about manic collecting and he himself is an insane kleptomaniac-

[@rakdos36]

Yes and the author of this series is also the author of WH40K books including a very popular one about trazyn.

[@spacesurgeon253]

@@rakdos36 wait whats his name-

[@rakdos36]

@@spacesurgeon253 robert rath

[@EllpaFox47]

my neighbor has a bunch of tulips lining the path to her front door and I love looking at the variety during the short time they're all in bloom. I've taken so many pictures from seeing a color or pattern I hadn't seen there before

[@m1770az]

Been watching since 2017, love this series, when I’m 18 im defo gonna be a patreon

[@ChesireWaltz]

This was so fascinating, I love overlooked history like this

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

7:47 shows the Princess Diana Beanie Baby, which was pretty rare. My mom owned a Hallmark Gold Crowne store at the time of the Beanie Baby craze. My brother went to an expensive private college completely based on Beanie Baby money. People were trying to bribe her to buy her off for her to set new ones aside for them. We were a small town in the Bible Belt, but everyone was just nuts about them. I still have a Princess Diana beanie baby somewhere; not because it was rare and expensive, but because I cried and cried when Princess Diana died, and I saw her sons walk behind her coffin. I imagined how I’d feel and it really bothered me. I made her bear the angel at the top of the beanie baby tree at Christmas.

[@bookdragon9987]

I really love learning more about history. so it’s nice to see something that I actually didn’t know that much about this thing of my country

[@rennor3498]

Future topics should also be focused on going into detail to explain or to highlight certain historic events which might not get the recognition they deserve due to their small contribution in the changing of history. They may not have had a lasting impact, not did they dramatically alter the course of history but, every event no matter its significance is important to be understood or at the very least covered.

[@TheAnon03]

5:10 Surprisingly brave burn there.

[@gijbuis]

Towards the end you mention it. The value of something is what you can get for it!

[@williamweigt7632]

1:43. This is not an “uncapitalist” solution. At he heart of the conflict was negotiation between the contracted parties (essentially renegotiation of their contracts). The fact that the agreed payments varied, proves that the courts didn’t settle specific amounts or percentages, shows that this arbitration (albeit with a veiled threat of court action) was used for the parties, themselves, to work out an agreement between themselves.

[@BlankPicketSign]

5:01 OH NO!!!!! I remember that in Hey Arnold, AAAAAAAAH! I had forgotten about that!

[@whoeveriam0iam14222]

Hahaha that ending. I was buying flowers as a thanks and then i noticed the tulips even though i had never cared about them

[@AmIWhoIThinkIAm]

I like your definition of journalism.

[@zachariahcorvish4860]

Haha, that's such a specific 40K model to use. So incongruous with the topic of finances and flowers.

[@maxiwarhammer]

But congruent with collecting valuable things lol

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

Actually, it makes sense they use that specific WH40K character for this if you know who Trazyn the Infinite is...

[@DrRandomStranger]

05:03 i am impressed, you know the "hey arnold!" episode, where helga made an idol out of meat.

[@killingragethrowback]

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This should teach us how to approach any new fads. NFTs are the current ones. Fitting it uses monkey imagery too.

[@DaBaSoftware]

Great series, after seeing the whole story regarding tulip mania, it's given me some food for thought regarding NFTs and the GameStop mania both of which are ongoing. Your final thoughts on this episode wrapping up this series perfectly describes the hype centered around these new 'manias'.

[@mikethetowns]

Tulips; the OG Millennial Smashed Avacado.

[@VJSV327]

Charles Mackay, the OG yellow journalist.

[@WillTheForests]

Is that Trazyn the Infinite at 7:42?? Lmao Love y'all even more now!

[@TarkinRocher]

Love the Hey Arnold references at 5:03

[@punelopepunstop5515]

After centuries, we’re still… tiptoeing through the tulips!

[@blindedbliss]

Tulip Mania, turns into the most successful accidental marketing campaign ever... 😮

[@wileyjackson5124]

In Vietnam there has been an Orchid bubble and bust in the last three years. Millions of dollars were lost. Sometimes on a single farm.

[@joshuawhitebeam3419]

I see a Necron lord in that thought bubble 👌

[@RogueAI]

3:16 Just like the memes showing people buying NFTs going back to work at Wendy's.

[@jacob_90s]

Fingers crossed we'll get a video on the Railway bubble. Keep the bubble series going!

[@iainbeasley9414]

I bet Trazyn in 7:41 has in own Tulips in his Gallery

[@hancocki]

If memory serves (and unfortunately I dont have time to fact check myself atm) the Dutch government sends tulips to the City of Ottawa annually as a thank you for Canadians help with liberation in WWII.

[@MrPuddle01]

I love this series

[@FezFindie]

Whoo, Trazyn the Infinite from Warhammer 40k at 7:40 :D

[@JAlucard77]

I like the reference to what amounts to the Tulip Illuminati

[@kevinchong5424]

Flowers all over the world have stories and myths attached to them. There is even a language of flowers, also known for the Japanese name hanakotoba, in which every flower has meanings attributed to them

[@kielmeakin4901]

A dark cabal that runs things from the shadows... That rings a bell

[@Kaiju-Driver]

Absolutely fascinating and enlightening content as usual

[@vincenzomartino5648]

I have to admit I have caught the tulip bug myself

[@mattdarrock666]

How about an episode or two on the dark side of the canadian railways (mostly their construction)?

[@zetijeti]

I love this series - I should go, and search for some of those famous rare bulbs

[@EIBozo]

"aw dang the tulip market crashed, oh well. Wait look at that poppy"

[@darcieclements4880]

Is this the same or a portion of the tulip bubble that happened in Holland Michigan? They still have a festival every year. Use to live there. Everyone plants their yards with flowering trees and tulips, and the town plants thousands in parks. A carnival moves in, their are tours, music, paradise etc. People come from all over the world. When you have a lot of tulips, make festival.

[@darcieclements4880]

Also, of you want to see what it was like, it is happening again right now in ball pythons.

[@darcieclements4880]

Oh and the city sells them cheap after the festival each year and replaces the ones in parks so they are new and peak every year, so if you live there, you have constant access to rare tulips for free. Tulips have a secret, you have to prevent flowering for max impact for 2 years in a row, so to see them in full glory, Holland Michigan's festival is your best chance. But basically, the more you learn about the tulip bubble and the festival, the more brilliant the entire system is.

[@ГлебЧерепанов-з3ч]

I sure do hope that this is exactly what Rob is thinking about - the need for sequel is strong.