EU4 1.34 Manchu Guide - The EASIEST Way To FORM The QING EMPIRE

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In this video titled EU4 1.34 Manchu Guide - The EASIEST Way To FORM The QING EMPIRE I make an EU4 Guide for Manchu starting as Jianzhou for Europa Universalis 4 1.34 Lions of The North. With EU4 1.34 Lions of The North releasing the meta and the starting moves for many nations on the map has changed, so of course new and up to date guides are needed. This EU4 Manchu starting moves guide or EU4 Manchu starting moves tutorial will ensure that you get a great start for yourself playing as the nation of Manchu . This guide covers the opening moves, diplomacy, estates, alliances, subjects, missions, national ideas, defeating Ming, forming Manchu, forming Qing and more! Manchu is one of the best nations for blobbing, having a massive army that is also extremely powerful, being extremely rich, dominating trade, forming Qing, and more! After watching this EU4 Manchu guide you will ensure a great start for yourself, and you will have an easy and fun campaign. The save file is available for all Tier 1 and above KZbin members in the save-games Discord channel.
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[@TheRedHawk]

What is the next nation that I should do a guide about? Leave a comment here and join The Discord to chat with me: discord.gg/ksDjjUhKHd Check out more nation guides here: kzbin.info/aero/PLsO8A6cTBgguX6W3b2j-9IlbSHn2nR8wO

[@shaharizard4413]

A genoa guide would be pretty cool

[@Hachiman001]

i feel like you should do a special video for 100k like a world conquest or like a mega- campaign

[@alibekmurataliev9979]

Chagatai bro

[@alibekmurataliev9979]

Chagatai bro

[@Blackjackwhiskey]

@@shaharizard4413 Yes! Genoa guide. Nice one!

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

Hawk, you are wrong about the CB of choice in later wars against Ming. Whereas "Show Superiority" is useful in the first war, each war after that should be with "Take mandate of heaven" CB. 50% cost reduction to take provinces means you can take a lot more and scale much more quickly. You don't get the mandate just by winning the war, you actually have to take it in the peace deal. So just make sure you don't actually take the mandate, but keep declaring war for the mandate.

[@jamesson1154]

I’m surprised he didn’t know this.

[@arminhergl5388]

Even though he seems to be a hawk, he makes pretty human mistakes. 😅

[@jakedavidheilemann1208]

NO NO NO

[@jakedavidheilemann1208]

YOU WANT TO BE EMPEROR

[@jakedavidheilemann1208]

YOU GET CORESSS ON OCCUPIED PROVINCESSSS DUM BRO

[@nethcarlisle2941]

You can't play as Horde Qing, the formation decision shifts you into a monarchy regardless of whether the Mandate still exists or not. It only works that way for Yuan.

[@Nolaris3]

I heard a fun thing to do is to expand into Southeast Asia, culture shift to Lao and form Siam while staying a horde for cavalry bonuses. Then culture shift back to Manchu but keeping Siamese ideas so you get access to banners.

[@FerramusNL]

I'm not sure on taking Tribal Conquest instead of Take MoH CB. Warscore cost with MoH CB is 50% compared to the full 100% for tribal conquest, and as a horde you can easily take full war score of money and provinces because razing removes so much overextension. I didn't encounter any problems having to siege a lot more to get 100% war score instead of just killing their armies to get war score. Might take a year or two longer, but the results are also much bigger.

[@heisenstein6392]

After the first war, Take MoH CB is the way to go. 50% cheaper lands means you can annex a LOT more land, a lot faster! It's also worth it to beeline to other Ming tributaries such as Kham in the 2nd war to keep hitting Ming in quick succession (by reducing the truce to 5 yrs).

[@matthewsarson6934]

Yeah its for sure a mistake you can take way more and capturing Beijing for the ticking warscore isn't that hard, he still managed to it no problem in the first war.

[@wizardsummoner9124]

Use the Mandate CB in the first war, you should be sieging Beijing anyway and the reduced cost of provinces is worth it.

[@SaviOr747]

With my luck every second siege lasts for 800 days.

[@speak_the_speech217]

Livonian Order / Livonia would be a fun guide. They have an interesting start with the Clergy estate being a mess at the start and then can either go crusader or become Livonia and get the "Almost Prussian Blue" achievement

[@heisenstein6392]

Absolutely, it was my 2nd run in Lions of the north and Livonia was an absolute blast. You basically destroy the 3 great powers - Muscovy, PLC, and Kalmar union. Then, you make Baltic the richest node in the game and you customize your own starting gov reform to get the Militarization mechanic. Pair that with Livonian ideas, it's absolute bonkers. Also, very VERY nice map color! Pro-tip: Take 1 Finnish province and release Finland as march, also make Ryazan a march. In my run, by 1700, Finland had developed its lands to like 350 dev and Ryazan had an awesome military and can eat a lot of Orthodox provinces too!

[@lessthanonegaming]

@Heisenstein sounds like ima have to finally try Livonians

[@yankeedoodle8557]

How does their military quality compare to Prussia?

[@erusean8492]

@@yankeedoodle8557 Ideas wise, you get 15% instead of 20% ICA, and 10% instead of 20% Morale, the other quality bonuses are the same. You get better economic ideas, however. When you form Livonia you get to make your government reform out of like 15 or so options, and one of them is similar to the Prussian Monarchy and enables militarization.

[@UwU_for_Christ]

pretty sure quarbit has one

[@Robert-iu4bx]

If I may suggest - it might be nice to state beforehand what is interesting about the route in the beginning of the video (eg. why should I care about forming Qing) and in the end of the guide - overview of suggested idea groups, policies and reforms to wrap it up

[@Robert-iu4bx]

and similarly to give what adventages it brings to have it with or without mandate of heaven - I have never played with it, so - should I go one way or another? is it fun? is it restricting?

[@heisenstein6392]

@@Robert-iu4bx If you (or anyone reading this) is itching to play in China or near there, I'd say hold off until the next update. Ming (and Mandate of Heaven) are getting a massive re-work and a LOT of flavour soon, it'll be well worth the wait!

[@Robert-iu4bx]

@@heisenstein6392 I heard that, I hope it will be at least one or two months until that because I am playing Great Britain now

[@JohnnyRose775]

I was just thinking of doing this campaign! Perfect timing

[@Prosype]

Was about to suggest Qing and Japan for a guide and just like that here is Qing. Hoping for a Japan guide next! Great guide as always

[@freddekl1102]

But like, why not mandate of heaven CB? you take double the land, you can raze it and land with 100-120% OE. If you win a couple of battles then siege the capital war takes roughly the same time, but you gain 2x land or 1,5x and 3k cash, not to mention mana 2k mana after razing

[@micahbonewell5994]

Don't worry about being over extension in the peace deal as horde, when you raze their provinces your over extension goes down.

[@alancristhian7532]

Good you have updated the Manchu guide. I have played with then years ago and think now is much more easy.

[@laureltrenchik6021]

Mr. Hawk, I've watched your videos for about a year or so now. I am probably mistaken, but I don't think I've seen a video where you've gone into detail about playing in the mid to late game. By 1500 or so, you're typically blobbed out enough to make any war a non-issue. I would like to maximize any country I play past that point and I think that a video where you dive into your thought process for those parts of the game would be really cool.

[@migolag]

FINALLY wanted to form qing soon and needed a guide

[@twocows360]

great guide! 8:00 that cursed name placement, haha

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

You can actually take more than 20 provinces, provided you take them in your final war before forming Manchu. Because you're getting cores anyway.

[@gravitykat714]

Oh boy I was using your old guide. This gonna be good

[@martinlinet8783]

Thank you, this was my easiest campaign, just as you promised.

[@RaskinProject]

Finally a guide outside of Europe let’s gooooo

[@2009worstyearever]

other than to get the achivement, imo forming Qing is a loss in power relative to Manchu. The other thing that is fun to do with Manchu is to snake down to SE Asia through Ming and then culture shift to Lao, form Siam for horse +1 fire pip while maintaining a horde.

[@mrw9044]

Nice guide Hawk, but isn't this guide going to be outdated really soon, because of the changes in 1.35? Heard it's gonna affect Ming & Mandate mechanic pretty strongly.

[@rileywilsonepicarcher9995]

We probably have at least another month or two before 1.35 comes out, I think PDX just released the first dev diary early this week. Might be nice to have a frame of reference for the update, like to compare between this video and 1.35 china

[@FelipeGarcia-ch3iw]

Majapahit is a lot of fun, if one knows how to deal with the disaster it’s a great colonial nation to play

[@carltonleboss]

That's an impressively stable Ming.

[@stubao7274]

Being a horde Qing is definitely preferable, can’t resist the charm of that tribal conquest CB.

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

You have to do some shenanigans to be a horde Qing but Yuan is better as a horse than Qing

[@stubao7274]

@@Rosemarie_and_tomato the national ideas of Yuan are simply god-tier…

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

@@stubao7274 oh yeah, one of the very best imho

[@heisenstein6392]

Better wait until the next update for that juicy, new mandate mechanics!

[@stubao7274]

@@heisenstein6392 that makes sense. So far the mandate system serves more as a restraint for Chinese empire. If we can get more features out of the mandate and use them as an advantage, this would be arguably more fun to play.

[@DanjasLP]

It is better to first conquer all the provinces whose cultures get converted when you form Manchu. You don't need to core more than the 20 you need to form Manchu though, since the cores get applied, even if you already own them. That way, you'll just have less cultures to dela with later.

[@redornament3248]

I believe that in one of Manchu's missions that if you complete it while at war with Ming along with another requirement I forget about, you auto gain control over Shenyang's fort and you get an average general, so you only need to focus on Beijing :P

[@k.a.2253]

Yes, its literally in the video 🤣🤣

[@FireMegaDragon]

take mandate cb is actually a lot better later on because of province ws cost. you dont take the mandate by just winning the war, take mandate is a treaty option you actually have to select

[@jakedavidheilemann1208]

5:16 "Orichoni" ah yes. Perfection.

[@Al-Timur]

Bro you should do a Manchu guide with the Mandate too, some may like it

[@DiegoBarbosaRibeiro]

Great! I do prefer with the camera on thoug

[@ryangreenstreet3489]

Hopefully a Ming guide when 1.35 comes out!

[@cinnanyan]

I don't know if it still happens in 1.34, but in earlier versions if you weakened Ming early, Dai Viet would always swoop in and steal the mandate.

[@jamesson1154]

A good way to prevent that is snaking the outskirts of Ming from the start. It’s easier to do w/ Oirat/Mongolia. As you only have to snake directly south to Dai Viet. Cutting off Ming from their tributaries will lead to many of them becoming independent from Ming so you have to block them strategically if you want to use the shorten truce trick.

[@jamesson1154]

Also not killing all of their troops helps them retain MoH. Dai Viet only has about 20k troops for the first years. Make sure to leave Ming w/ at least 20k troops.

[@antonioguzman9744]

I would like a guide for Venice o Genoa, I believe you hadn't made one for a long time Another country I am looking too is Mewar, it has an achievement similar to AEIOU from Austria in which you have to complete all of his mission tree

[@shubhaamgokko1361]

Would really like a Gotland/Pirate Republic guide. Don't want to end "Bankrupting pirates" again

[@lyonard9226]

Just started a Jianzhou-Manchu-Qing game today, then you release this guide...

[@Larz1695]

Great guide. Any plans to make an updated 1.35 guide? 🤔

[@-wolfram00]

If you form Qing without mandate you'll become usual monarchy, you won't still be horde. To stay as a horde you have to stay as Manchu

[@kowidelaset8592]

Please do a tutonic tutoriel.This a very good nations.

[@luker.6967]

FYI no need to go over force limit against 1460s war with Ming. Your general is OP, and you should have mil tech 5. Spawn renaissance a little slower than redhawk and dev more with diplo and admin than he did to get mil tech 5 in time. I didn't take a single loan, and managed to get full korchin as a vassal, AND ming allied korea. Maybe I just got lucky

[@MilkJugA_]

its miraculous that ming didnt explode at the end of this video

[@poitre_]

Maybe they changed It but shouldn't you conquer all jurchen provinces coring only the ones required to form Manchu, so that once you do form them, the jurchen provinces that you didn't core would be cored automatically?

[@jarleisenfaust570]

The Red Hawk Emperor of China! 😁 Would love to see some republican guides like Venice etc 150k subs until the end of the year?

[@JordanTheRabbitMonkey]

Instructions Unclear:I conquered the whole world but I don't feel ready with fighting ming

[@zhengmengao7002]

Can we have a guide for Ming when 1.35 release? it seems so much stuff are adding for Ming in 1.35

[@guidomangiardi678]

I’d like a guide for the Three Mountains achievement

[@eddy4505]

You should have waited for 1.35 since Ming will be reworked. Anyway i gonna watch your 1.35 guide also. 😜

[@newtubevector]

you can use the take mandate cb and take twice as manny provinces while getting no AE and just not take the mandate...

[@Pyrozeen26]

Jianzhou and florence are the best nations to play with by far

[@kobbehh]

Will try attacking em early with tribe cb been having problems without dlc ming just allies everyone around and attacks me as soon as ive built some strength forcing me into wars where even if i win my country is usually fkd and then they wont even implode until after the 3rd war. Fun challenge but frustrating

[@ninonysoft6865]

Tfw you release this as Ming/Jurchen tribes will receive an update in the next patch.

[@skinnybones4698]

Hey RedHawk will you do a Ming guide for 1.35?

[@danryan9236]

You should do a horde guide

[@gothia1715]

Seems like Ming didnt blow up cause you went for 100% land from them a bit too soon. That must ve given them massive amounts of revanchism which drops their revolt risk alot. Anyways. Great guide as always.

[@Infidi]

it's better if Ming stays whole

[@jeffcrusan2102]

Ming explodes bc of the "Crisis of the Ming Dynasty" disaster. If you trigger "Unguarded Nomadic Frontier" they can't explode bc they can't have another disaster trigger. A big issue with playing as a horde and taking the Chinese emperorship is that a lot of it is contradictory or just doesn't work. An example is what I just mentioned, but also Ming allying Korea and/or Delhi or some other strong Indian nation which cucks you over big time. Seems very futile and not worth it a lot of the time.

[@browningcm]

Everyone be sleeping on generals maneuver stat... it reduces terrain penalties it's a good stat yall

[@saltymarshmellow8044]

I just started my qing campaign, two days too late lol

[@sveinerlingbjerkestrand2458]

My boy hawk Oda guide when?

[@paulo163]

The next guide should be with Kara Del

[@szymonkaliszewski5137]

gigachad move doing manchu guide just before next uptade which has new manchu flavor and doing new manchu guide

[@Kissless0]

Nice

[@ohNojames]

Love the content, but You lose Horde government if you form Qing by destroying the Mandate. I've done it twice since last week. Yuan can stay horde but Qing becomes a confusion monarchy no matter what. I was pretty disappointed when I noticed this after all that time I put into beating up Ming. I'm about to try taking the mandate for the free claims and cores via mission tree. But after going as far west as possible to destory the other hordes. To prevent that event happening to me.

[@drivnundead6398]

Can you keep forcing the ai of other countries to take the mandate of heaven and since most likely they won't have the mandate growth, the troops become shitty. Idk if this works but just an idea.

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

Isn't it worth it to move your capital to Beijing despite already developing your former capital?

[@xdelbarrio]

Bro I literally JUST got the Qing achievement after a couple hours before finding this hahahaha Was a bit slow tbh could have used the guide

[@averageromanian3940]

Yo red hawk correct me if I’m wrong but if I had to guess your nationality id have to say TURKISH! Nice vid though Manchu will be even more op in 1.35

[@jeffcrusan2102]

You forgot the part where Ming allies Korea and Delhi thus halting your momentum and ruining your Manchu run lmao

[@anabe3785]

12:23 why didnt you just use take mandate of heaven for %50 cheaper warscore?

[@legrognard6699]

nice

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

17:05 You CAN'T be Qing and horde, no matter of Mandate. It's NOT like Yuan situation Well, you can be horde Qing but it's quite cheesy thing

[@kaidamamoru]

I accepted Korea as my tributary and they are now allied to ming, is there a way to make them not join the war?

[@gannonpatton2858]

What is the purpose of taking only coastal provinces from Ming?

[@gorkem_say]

So if I want to be form Qing without mandate, I have to take all Ming lands am I right?

[@joshtaylor9626]

Yes sir

[@valiatus6719]

Bruh when you play machu you don't need a normal economy, you can just plunder until you form Qing.

[@cav1989]

Great! Can we have the save file on Disc plz?

[@ranixcz4087]

cant you just culture change and form manchu as ming ? i know mandate but sometimes i like bonuses from mandate

[@djordjejovanovic4540]

Wouldn't it be worth to NOT raze Jurchen provinces, because of banners?

[@carltonleboss]

Oirat guide next?

[@lyonard9226]

For the event of Korea becoming your tributary, I would suggest not to accept it. That's because, if they remain a Ming tributary, they can't ally them, and you can use them to shorten your truces with Ming or destroying them further without having to fight on two fronts when tou fight Ming directly. If they become your tributary, they will sooner or later ally Ming, and you'll have to fight both nations every time. You can do it if you want, but it's a little bit annoying.

[@jshadowhunter]

Should've waited for the China update.

[@Adam.montef]

When did korea stop becoming his tributary?

[@seoul_louis9584]

Tributary means establishing diplomatic relationship in east asia

[@solenya9401]

Gonna have to update this in a few months. Free content... lol

[@fidoruh]

Does Riga have an interesting game?

[@bluepotato8187]

Me, a korean seeing him raze all the korean provinces: *internal pain* jk i love your videos

[@orrinscott-stewart3641]

You should have actually annexed both nations. And just cored 20. Then you could form Manchu without coring those provinces and wouldn't have to worry about a truce

[@teronzer3576]

Funny fact you don't stay horde as Qing

[@StormTG315]

Parts of this guide felt kind of out of character for you, Hawk. I could be wrong about some of these things, and I'm absolutely open to hearing the rationale behind some of them, but especially with your previous Manchu guide doing some of these things differently it felt weird. Tribal conquest for the first Ming war makes sense because you don't really have the manpower to do a lot of sieging in the first war, but once Ming is beaten once, future wars are trivial, and spending a few extra years to siege a few more forts and using take mandate instead of tribal conquest pays off, a lot. Assuming you were razing provinces you took (which you might not have been, Ming provinces are rich, so fair enough in that case) going over 100% overextension matters not at all when taking from Ming after the first war (or frankly, taking from anyone in any war as a horde). Concentrating dev and razing means you can probably take yourself up to 150%+ overextension and still end up below 100 at the end of the day. I'm not sure why not wanting to go over 100 overextension was emphasized in the guide, when after razing what you took you probably dropped to ~65. Conquering along the coastline also feels weird. It's less weird if you don't want to snake at all, which is fine, but scooping around Ming's northern, western, and southern borders blocks off the other nations that might smell blood when Ming is weak and try to take stuff from them, or take the mandate, which would be disastrous. It also opens up 2 or 3 new routes of expansion for you, and makes it so that any Ming breakaway states will only border you. Love the guides in general. Watching this one just felt a bit strange with these things in mind.

[@sahilhossian8212]

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[@algerieball.4156]

Please do tlemcen guide pleaaase

[@greater_ape]

Do a guide for forming Canada or Quebec!

[@Infinitystar225]

It doesn't really warrant a guide, get a colony in the area and release and play as colonial subject.

[@greater_ape]

@@Infinitystar225 I know..... I just wanna see a meme Quebec video

[@Infinitystar225]

@@greater_ape it would be fun

[@greater_ape]

@@Infinitystar225 Quebecois horde anyone?

[@seoul_louis9584]

This guy underestimates Korea very much lmaoo

[@scezich6126]

Fr in a lot of failed games I end up getting declared on by Korea near bankruptcy Koreas dev is insane because of the buffs they get

[@UwU_for_Christ]

lol releases a qing guide right before 1.35 revamps Asia

[@davidandersson422]

144 fps! Good to know my brother Hawk has stable fps

[@seoul_louis9584]

China was not a border sharing neighbor of Korea.

[@musAKulture]

odd that english speakers try to pronounce chinese "j" like the french "j", it's almost the same as the english "j", while the "zh" consonant is more like the french "j".

[@musAKulture]

also i just realized your chinese pronunciation is amazing as you go further into the video. impressed

[@jakedavidheilemann1208]

HAIXI STARTS WITH FEUDALISMMMMMMMM NO NO NOOOOO AGHHHHH

[@matthewsarson6934]

I am still not sure why people don't like to take the mandate. Not only do you get the unify china CB which is extremely good. You get 500 gov cap from the celestial empire and the reforms you can pass come with a lot of buffs. On top of that you get some decree's with more buffs. There are essentially no downsides as long as you only pass reforms at 100 mandate. Yet despite all that people don't wanna take the mandate? The fuck.

[@seoul_louis9584]

This guy don't know about where the great wall of China was located 😂

[@Fordarz]

I dont think staying as a horde is better than just taking the mandate asap and trucebreaking ming over and over. It's not like you have any real rebel problems considering all your separatists dissappear when you form Manchu and you don't need to spend any mana coring whatsoever, and you have zero separatists in all of China thanks to all your cores. So there are no downsides to just staying at -2 stab and just eating all of China before 1480. You can take the Korea tributary in the event and that prevents any coalitions, since literally nobody cares about ming.

[@illmaster]

I don't think a Qing guide is a good one as devs stated they will overhaul many thing around Ming and most likely middle east. I think guide for Teutons, Livonia, or any European or African should be good as there is little chance for them to change in near future.

[@seoul_louis9584]

How are gonna explain it when Manchu was a tributary of Korea? 😂 Fun fact: Manchus were tributary of Korea

[@samwill7259]

I have played every single one of the Manchu tribes to mission tree completion (their own and Qing's) at least once. Why the fuck would I do this? I dunno, the random button did it.