What Nobody Told You About China's 6th Generation Fighter - the J-36

[@billhsu6349]

According to US media, the 6th generation fighter is not a big threat, while Chinese garlic possesses great danger to "national security".

[@jakevicknair5262]

well comparatively speaking they are calling it 6th gen but realistically it will compete with our 20 year old raptors if that. Food can contain contaminates, in this day and age war is cyber and biological.

[@KGYe-草氯皮蕉]

@@jakevicknair5262a garlic hater speaking 😂😂😂

[@BiblicallyAccurateToaster]

I honestly think it's just an internal propaganda project rushed to release on Mao's bday. They are certainly working on a real gen6 in the background but knew regarding this one all the world's military aviation analysts were not going to buy it.

[@胡八一-n5d]

How should the American media respond if sixth-generation airplanes are stuffed with garlic? ?🤣

[@KGYe-草氯皮蕉]

@ a deadly dead freedom democracy killer? might be

[@yanlord]

So glad that high tech is in the hands of civilizations!

[@boyunwang7761]

傻孩子来找自信了吧😂

[@tung4449]

So glad that high tech is in the hands of REAL civilization.

[@jaydee6268]

Me too. No one is talking about the 7th gen fighter but whatever.

[@Jfff-ugfgh]

If you think communist evil country lead by Xi dictatorship a real civilization, then you must be a evil . Go back to China please. You are not welcome here.

[@ongwee8472]

Communist is civilisation?

[@OrionsMako]

As an American Patriot, one is a touch jealous and wishes to congratulate the effort. It is a beautiful craft.

[@shangmaoquanyu6263]

很高兴高科技掌握在文明人手上。

[@shencecilia685]

no war ，focus ourself，great toghter

[@christophmahler]

Fair enough. What will be really interesting, though is whether the program can be run more efficient at lower costs... That will decide any further contest in the Pacific.

[@einautofan6685]

To me it's more like a Attack Bomber than a Fighter! Because it's too big for a Fighter...🧐🤔

[@OrionsMako]

@shangmaoquanyu6263 It would be nice to know the translation.

[@shuailou9189]

The Pentagon thought about the countermeasures for several nights and finally chose to modify Wikipedia.😂

[@maozedong7536]

A great birthday gift

[@Wvk5zc]

​@@FreeSpeech-z6jchina prefers trump than Biden, ignorant

[@PomegranateChocolate]

两份条约, 一目了然。 一、中苏友好同盟协议：(1949) 签字人：毛泽东, 斯大林 1.中华人民共和国无条件承认外蒙古独立，取消国民政府关于外蒙的不平等条约。并愿意根据联合国民族居住权原则，把南京政府用武力霸占的外蒙领土还给外蒙。 2.中华人民共和国承认海参威(包括海参威所辖之郊区)是苏联固有领土；中华人民共和国承认江东六十四屯为苏联领土。中华人民共和国承认图门江出海口是苏联主权；"新疆北郊"是苏联领土； 3.中华人民共和国停止1945年以来南京政府所有索土要求。承认清朝政府1850年以来所有领土条约。 4.乌苏里江江域靠苏方三分之二属于苏联主权，靠中方三分之一属于中国主权。 5.苏联政府欢迎中华人民共和国关于领土的声明。 6.双方同盟一致反对台湾国民党，及美国为首的帝国主义。 7.承认清政府关于大连的协议，承认苏联在大连旅顺的特权。 8.中华人民共和国欢迎苏联在新疆、东北、内蒙驻军，兄弟互助关系。 二、1945年中华民国和苏联加盟条约 签字人：王世杰(外长), 斯大林 1.苏联承认中国对外蒙古的宗主国地位；苏联必须在1950年前撤走在外蒙古境内的所有驻军。苏联同意中国政府对蒙古的驻军，但其驻军不能用来反对苏联。苏联强烈要求25年以内中国政府同意外蒙古举行公民表决，由联合国监督表决的公平性。 2.中华民国政府声明对外蒙古有不可质辩的主权，中国政府1950年10月10日恢复对外蒙古驻军，用于保护领土完整，不用于反对苏联，在同一时间实行蒙古高度自治。中华民国政府同意 100年以内让外蒙古人民举行公民表决，由联合国监督表决的公平性。公民表决的先决条件是1911年被苏联用武力驱逐出去的原外蒙各族居民迁回原地，参与投票。中国政府认为，公民表决是决定自治，不是决定独立。 3.双方同意就蒙古问题继续进行谈判。双方同意就东蒙问题继续进行谈判。 4.苏联同意无条件撤走苏联驻东三省所有武装力量。同意中国政府恢复原苏殖民地大连主权；苏联承认中国对海参威的主权，苏联同意在50内以内撤走苏联驻海参威所有武装力量。 5.中国政府将在1995恢复对海参威的主权，并开放海参威为自由港，对苏联免税。 6.双方同意就海参威问题继续进行谈判。 7.苏联承认江东六十四屯为中国领土。苏联承认图门江出海口是中国主权。 8.中国声明图门江出海口是中国主权，为了中苏友好图门江对苏联开放。 9.中国政府将保留继续废除不平等条约的权力。 10.苏联拒绝中国对科叶群岛的主权要求，但原意同中国政府就所有领土纠纷进行谈判。 11.中苏两国一致同意江面主权中苏各二分之一。 12.本条约需要中国国民代表大会同意，苏联人民代表大会同意，中苏最高领导人签字才能生效。 《人民日报》社论:只有国民党反动派才痛恨蒙古独立 1950.02.24 作者：胡华 大家知道，蒙古曾侵入中华建立过蒙元。明太祖即位后蒙元灭亡，满清兴起后，又被满清占领统治。蒙古人民长期在本族统治阶级和异族统治的奴役压迫下，过着极其贫穷痛苦的生活。 到一九一一年中国辛亥革命，推翻满清后，蒙古是不是解放了呢？没有的，相反的它更成了帝国主义侵略争夺的对像。当辛亥革命十月中国武昌起义时，蒙古的统治阶级――王公、便利用这个机会，以“独立”的名义，投入帝俄的怀抱。 一九一七年俄国十月革命胜利，日本帝国主义却利用了白俄反动将军谢米诺夫，窃据蒙古，和苏联红军作战，到一九一一年才被苏联红军击溃。谢米诺夫失败之后，日本帝国主义又利用了中国北洋军阀安福系将军徐树铮侵入蒙古，在那里建立了亲日的军事独裁。安福系在中国北方失势之后，日寇复扶植谢米诺夫的一个助手――温根男爵，盘踞蒙古。蒙古人民受这样长期的侵略掠夺，什么时候才起来革命获得解放的呢？ 为了反对帝国主义的劫掠，为了解放蒙古，蒙古贫苦破产的牧人和广大的下层职员、喇嘛、便在却伊巴桑等蒙古革命者领导下，在一九二○年组织了一个秘密的革命团体，发动游击战争。 侵略者统治着虽然用各种野蛮的屠杀，死刑和迫害来对待蒙古革命者，但蒙古的革命团体和革命游击队却日益壮大，到一九二一年的三月便举行了一个游击队和恰克图附近的盟族的代表大会，选出临时的革命政府，会上并以大多数决议，请求苏联的帮助。 在三月十七日到十八日夜间，蒙古革命游击队便攻占了恰克图，不久，又先后击溃了中国北洋军阀侵略军万余人，日寇扶植的白俄温根男爵反动骑兵一万一千人，在战争过程中，苏联红军曾出兵援助蒙古革命游击队，使革命取得了胜利。 在一九二四年（民国十三年），蒙古已宣告了独立，建立了蒙古人民共和国。当时，中国的国共合作的广东革命政府，对蒙古的独立是承认的，因为孙中山先生在“国民党第一次全国代表大会宣言”中，已承认了“民族自决”的原则。“那末，正式承认蒙古独立问题为何一直拖到一九四五年呢？承认经过如何呢？”由于在一九二七年叛卖革命的中国国民党反动政府，一直坚持大汉族主义，所以不肯承认蒙古独立。而蒙古从革命以来，在苏联的友谊帮助下，内部已建设的很强盛；对牵制打击日寇保卫远东和平，有也很大的贡献，如一九三五年和三六年，蒙古革命军曾两次击退了日寇在蒙古国境内东部的挑衅行为；一九三九年在诺门坎，苏军蒙军并肩作战，给进犯的日寇以严重的打击。在中国八年抗战中，苏联远东军和蒙古革命军对百多万日本精锐关东军的牵制，对中国抗战是极大的帮助。而在一九四五年的八月十日，蒙古人民共和国有对日宣战，配合苏军，联合东北抗日联军，出兵夹击日寇，在世界反法西斯战争中间，建立了卓著功勋。因此，世界各国，尤其是中国，应该正式承认蒙古的独立，这是义不容辞的。 所以，在一九四五年八月十日订“中苏友好同盟条约”的同时，双方又交换了“关于蒙古人民共和国之独立的问题”的文书。在文书中，中国国民党政府声明：“……由于外蒙古人民屡次所表示出的对于独立的热望，中国政府声明：在日本失败以后，若是外蒙古人民的投票公决证实此种热望时，那么，中国政府将承认具有其现时境界的外蒙古之独立。……” “投票公决”的结果如何呢？一九四五年十月二十日举行的蒙古人民投票的结果，有百分之九十七?八的人，投票赞成独立，连国民党政府派去监票的内政部次长雷法章，也对投票手续表示满意（见塔斯社一九四五年十月二十二日库仑电）。 蒙古的独立，就是在民族自决的原则下，一个新国家的诞生，给世界的和平民主阵营增加了一份力量。承认蒙古独立，对每个真正爱国的中国人来说，是天经地义的事，只得欢呼的事。只有国民党反动派才痛恨蒙古独立，他们在当时被迫承认了蒙古独立，事后又大肆造谣，侮蔑人民的蒙古，侮蔑苏联与伟大的世界领袖斯大林，说：“蒙古独立是中国领土的丧失”。反动派这样说原也不足为怪，可怪的是，我们人民中有的人居然也有宗主国的情绪，似乎蒙古也非得划在中国“版图”上不可以似的，这实在是中了大汉族主义的毒。 [注：胡华为我国著名中共党史专家，曾任中国人民大学中共党史教研室主任，中共党史系名誉系主任。]

[@henrykum-nr7bw]

2024-11-27 National University of Defense Technology announced a new type of stealth coating that can convert radar waves into heat, which means that all anti-stealth radars in service are ineffective! In the field of air defense operations, the battle between spear and shield has never stopped. Especially with the emergence of fifth-generation stealth fighters represented by F-35 and J-20, anti-stealth operations have become the focus of military scientific research, and cracking anti-stealth radars has become a cutting-edge topic. Recently, the People's Liberation Army disclosed a material that can make anti-stealth radars ineffective. Laboratory tests have proved that this material can effectively absorb low-frequency electromagnetic waves from different angles, but the thickness is only equivalent to two sheets of photocopy paper. After converting radar waves into heat, the powerful anti-stealth radar will be completely invalidated. The People's Liberation Army has successively launched a variety of anti-stealth radars. According to relevant introductions from the PLA official media, these radars can detect stealth fighters such as the US F-22 and F-35 from a considerable distance. At present, the United States is also increasing the research and development and deployment of anti-stealth radars, but has encountered a series of technical bottlenecks and has fallen far behind China.

[@tanhuevien9295]

When China's first 6th war plane appeared, it shocked the US government, only Boeing and lockheed smiled happily because they could make more money😁😁😁

[@Steven-mf7no]

yes it's the best Christmas Gift 🎁

[@carlosandleon]

lockheed flew theirs 5 years ago. China is behind

[@pixytorres7117]

​@@carlosandleonLockheed one has financial problems, if the funding problems continue China might catch up.

[@peanut0brain]

​@@carlosandleonsure and your alien tech anti gravity spacecraft also flew 10yrs ago lol.

[@Eventual-Visitor]

@@carlosandleon Is that the "The Crasher" aka "The Grounded", meaning the rarely flyable, hyper expensive F-35. I thought that was a 5th generation money drainer.

[@lololman]

Calling B21 6 gen is really stretching it too far, its Mach 0.9 speed is too slow.

[@xjc2612]

subsonic 6th gen

[@黑猫不捉鼠]

关键他是轰炸机，不是歼击机

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

That’s because it’s designed to be subsonic. For max stealth

[@latymz]

Top speed is classified.

[@stridesmurf4540]

its the only plane I know of that the enemy has no radar signature to rely on also using more communication tech that is experimental than most jets

[@MrStevemur]

Very classy of you to give credit to Jason for his ideas.

[@dannytadashi4235]

Well that’s cool HAHAHAHAHA LOL 😃😃😃👍👍👍💕💕💕🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[@todewilliams]

Oh i thought it stand for Junk lol.

[@vision9275]

@@todewilliams ..... No, that is the well-known classification of the brain structure of a person in intense envy situation.

[@antwango]

Jason!? Jason!?? Jason!!??

[@Metapharsical]

I'm guessing the other guy he's giving credit to is Chinese nationalist too? Otherwise, this would be 1st time I ever heard Chinese give credit to others

[@mmojave]

China's military ambition : Deterrence is key. Lessons from Qing Dynasty will forever etch in the minds of Chinese. Never again will they let history repeat. Never let yourself fallen behind in technology, otherwise you get whacked.

[@ybet1000]

History of mankind..... guy with the biggest stick usually is inclined to use it

[@zgvip]

中国成飞出品的歼36对标的是NGAD2023年的版本，也即把各种先进功能集成在一架大6代机上。沈飞出品的新战机对应的是NGAD2024年的版本，也即把NGAD小型化，把多功能分散到更多的协同战机身上。可中国两个版本的战机都发布了，美国已经被中国两头堵，无路可走了，无论选哪个版本都被狙击并落后了，更何况美国还在纠结吵架中，实现起来遥遥无期。

[@3q9409]

讚!!!

[@Jiafeilee]

结果美国给他们自己画了个大饼，NGAD长眠于PPT概念图中，中国对标了个寂寞。

[@俞恩理]

然而美国六代机已经实现隐身化了，肉眼看不见，谁也看不见。 包括美国人自己。

[@christophmahler]

Possible. But if UCAVS do all the fighting, the active sensors and the 'stealth', then the controlling airplane doesn't have to have these features and can be reduced in cost. Defending the vast Pacific theater, however requires large fuel reserves and arguably high speed, hence large airframes...

[@lijackson-x6r]

美国的PPT，2个方案，都被中国实现了吧。

[@adam68756]

American: If I weld two 3rd generation fighter jets together, I will have a 6th generation fighter

[@henrykum-nr7bw]

2024-11-27 National University of Defense Technology announced a new type of stealth coating that can convert radar waves into heat, which means that all anti-stealth radars in service are ineffective! In the field of air defense operations, the battle between spear and shield has never stopped. Especially with the emergence of fifth-generation stealth fighters represented by F-35 and J-20, anti-stealth operations have become the focus of military scientific research, and cracking anti-stealth radars has become a cutting-edge topic. Recently, the People's Liberation Army disclosed a material that can make anti-stealth radars ineffective. Laboratory tests have proved that this material can effectively absorb low-frequency electromagnetic waves from different angles, but the thickness is only equivalent to two sheets of photocopy paper. After converting radar waves into heat, the powerful anti-stealth radar will be completely invalidated. The People's Liberation Army has successively launched a variety of anti-stealth radars. According to relevant introductions from the PLA official media, these radars can detect stealth fighters such as the US F-22 and F-35 from a considerable distance. At present, the United States is also increasing the research and development and deployment of anti-stealth radars, but has encountered a series of technical bottlenecks and has fallen far behind China.

[@kaweesiivan9610]

You're a genius 😂

[@21sailors78]

glad some american still can do math

[@rexmwh]

So funny😂

[@US_made_911_terror_and_Covid19]

There are English grammar softwares around. Try it.

[@justingerrd818]

Good Job! This will make US a more peace-loving country

[@drganknstein]

How? It's just propaganda. They did this after the US launched its drones all over the country. You didn't catch that?

[@anon69_q]

Pick up a history textbook. The most peaceful time in over a millennium was when the US was the only superpower. A new Cold War will likely see more war, not less. Hopefully, diplomats and experts can help us avoid such a repeat.

[@patrickn2858]

@@anon69_qno use talking to them, their paid CCP shills meant to spread their stupid narrative that a nation that has been threatening war with Taiwan for the past decade is somehow the peaceful one

[@_Wai_Wai_]

that is true. Only when you are nuclear weapons armed, will the USA think twice about invading your country.

[@I_fuck_moms_of_CIA_trolls.]

​@@anon69_q Take your own advice, and cry! LOL!

[@gtcollection6933]

Happy New Year @ Pentagon & Co xo!!

[@cosmoray9750]

House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas " But apparently Washington takes a different view when it comes to American propaganda operations in foreign countries. On Monday, the House passed HR 1157, the “Countering the PRC Malign Influence Fund,” by a bipartisan 351-36 majority. This legislation authorizes more than $1.6 billion for the State Department and USAID over the next five years to, among other purposes, subsidize media and civil society sources around the world that counter Chinese “malign influence” globally. "

[@gtcollection6933]

​@@cosmoray9750 I honestly believe everyone whacked out the work of USA from their vocabularies and mindsets. Passé. Insignificant. Sad to see 1.6B flushing down the bowl though, for all there is emphatically to say.

[@Appreciation-Community]

Man imagine this thing flying perpendicular to you to make it harder to track on radar while still having a side radar pointed towards you while it launches HOBS missiles at you sideways. I wonder if it might maybe have a special launcher system that can actually turn the missile like 5-10 degrees before dropping it so it doesnt need to pull as many Gs to fire on you while it notches.

[@CrzyD-cv8xz]

I've read something about there being a special air version of a vls system in this plane

[@yuanwang5124]

Chinese engineers are developing something like a airborne vertical luanch system, totally beyond everyone's understanding

[@CrzyD-cv8xz]

@@yuanwang5124 airborne version of naval destroyer concept.

[@EthanX1ao]

毫无意义，机头快速指向能力是六代机的基础功能，没有快速抢占发射阵位的能力还打什么空战

[@djjokerjaxx]

it doenst even have S ducts complete bs

[@jamessanders8895]

Point of interest: Radar has no bandwidth in the sense that you used, it has frequency spectrum. Bandwidth generally refers to data, like what you would get from the internet or down/uploading. If you are referring to RF bandwidth, you are referring to the upper and lower frequency bounds of either the pulse (which is usually very narrow, often expressed using a differential of the upper and lower) or the overall block the radar operates in.

[@RichardsMiscCorner]

As others have commented, the surprise for me is that it's not painted yellow but painted in PLAAF grey.

[@ruixi-qi3sv]

No, j20 was black when it first came out, and j35 was black. The mass production fighter was painted yellow, so it was ready for mass production.

[@shanerooney7288]

The yellow-green colour is an undercoat (i think zinc chromate-based). Adding the outer paint job could be for durability (heat, UV, weatherproofing) during extended testing.

[@坐著火車去台灣]

机体编号为36011而不是36001，说明是第二批次的相对成熟改进后的第一架飞机，而且空军在第一批次的实验后就非常满意了

[@FreeSpeech-z6j]

@@坐著火車去台灣 yes, copy of USA NGAD

[@andrewchew29]

😮​@@FreeSpeech-z6j

[@Vostadues]

Another thing is... In the video, The JX-36 is painted in Aviation Grey, but J-20S are the one who is painted in Prototype Yellow... So this might be a video that J-20S is the one who does the test flight, and the JX-36 is the escorting chaser plane...

[@mikexhotmail]

Indeed ps. Or a benchmark?

[@michaelngan99]

And u could a total ret*arded fanboy.

[@magehunter3366]

Thats a nice obsevation, could it be a new upgrade to the J20 also doing test flight along with the 36

[@aphidian]

It's primer yellow, not prototype yellow. Being yellow just mean the plane is fresh off the production line yet to be painted with the customer's livery, it doesn't mean it is a prototype. It's easy to spot which is the plane being first flown --- it's the one that doesn't retract its landing gears (customary procedure of first flight).

[@christophmahler]

@@aphidian It's still odd to use a pre-production plane, announced two months before for safely escorting a prototype... If the tandem-seater J-20S is designed for Collaborative Combat Aircraft deployment, one can wonder if there is a connection with this test flight - considering that manned flight may be optional. It would make the J-XX the largest UCAV, today but would correspond with it's strike bomber low observability and very large payload...

[@AIPretendingToBeHuman]

March 23, 1998, J10 First Flight (4th Gen) 26 years ago January 11, 2011 J20 First Flight (5th Gen) 13 years ago December 26, 2024 J36 First Flight (6th Gen) Now It looks like it takes China 13 years to go from generation to generation. The exponential difficulty of jumping from one generation to another is mitigated by more money, more industry, more scientists/engineers, more experience. We can confidently predict that the 7th Gen space fighter will have its first flight on 2037.

[@gipsyking2011]

once you went to the moon and came back to the earth

[@karanjit10]

Meanwhile India is still in 4th Gen and waiting for 2030 for 4.5 Tech completion

[@davidsaw6183]

​@😂😂karanjit10

[@lqm4224]

MD-19 MD-22

[@DorJinTan]

2035 tops.

[@GTOGregory]

Maybe this is why one Chinese general jested to the Americans, "Meet you in the sky!"

[@billycarr7446]

Like Putin and his new tank and fighter... your boasts may not survive reality on the battlefield.

[@albert152]

@@billycarr7446 Chinese are happy to see Americans think like this. Continue to be arrogant and stupid, please.

[@brokenaura23]

Nothing beats American hardware.😊

[@albert152]

@@billycarr7446 Continue to be arrogant and stupid, Chinese are happy to see you guys like this.

[@albert152]

@@billycarr7446 Continue to be arrogant and st**pid, Chinese are happy to see you guys like this.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

The critical Mach number of an airfoil (which can be calculated using the isentropic flow formula) is the angle at which the shockwave generated by the nose or other parts of the airframe interacts with the wing. The 49.5 wing sweep of the outer leading edge indicates the speed at which the shockwave generated by the leading edge at the inboard of the wing is generated and propagates across the leading edge. This happens at Mach 1.55. The second is the shockwave generated by the nose, the angle here is roughly 57 degrees, and the nose generated shockwave will his the wingtip at Mach 1.85. The final one is the inner leading edge that comes off the nose. This is 67-68 degrees and indicates a critical Mach number of 2.66. Now, it should be noted that this does not indicate top speed. The F-22 has a 42 degree wing sweep and yet definitely flies faster than Mach 2.3 (where the leading edge generated shockwaves propagates along the leading edge. It’s estimated by some that it will be able to reach Mach 2.7 or 2.8, similar to the MiG-31, and will be largely temperature limited.

[@christophmahler]

"The F-22 has a 42 degree wing sweep and yet definitely flies faster than Mach 2.3 (...)" It does not. It lacks all characteristics of the MiG-31, material strength, fuel capacity and engine thrust at high altitude. The F-22A was optimized for super-cruising between Mach 0.8 and 1.6 with a capability of brief afterburner use up to Mach 2.2. The YF-23 - that wasn't built beyond two prototype demonstrators - is said to have been slightly faster for being slightly less maneuverable. Both designs were limited by the available engine in the late 1980s, early 1990s - without an Adaptive Cycle Engine which development is now stalling for a decade, the designs can't reach maximum flight characteristics. Americans and NAFOs need to get their head out of their derriere. Start with building 155mm shells in numbers that resemble the reality of warfare...

[@HeidiKernstad]

F-22’s maximum speed is Mach 2.2. Can it reach speeds above that for short durations? Possibly, but not without consequences to the airframe and coating. USAF command would never allow the pilot to do it.

[@dandrydog]

Doesn’t this also depend on air density? Couldn’t it climb to much higher altitudes? Thought it had three engines too…is one a SCRAM? If not…why not?

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@ TYPO. I mean to say 1.3, which is the critical Mach number (or closer to 1.33) for 42 degrees. The maximum Mach number of the F-22 is officially 2.25.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@ nope, as far as we know it uses 3 turbofans, and the DSI fed centerline engine is actually optimized for lower speeds.

[@rags417]

I am surprised that the high wing sweep and the insane three engine set up means that this could be a potential hypersonic aircraft - two conventional turbojets for cruise and supersonic flight and one ramjet for super high altitude / hypersonic flight.

[@georgedang449]

Indeed. A more conventional 4 engine layout would make more sense if 2 engines lack the power, which isn't the case, as J-20's 2 WS-15 engines are already more capable than B1's 4 engines. Also, with modifications, DSI can be efficient at up to mach 2.8. China already perfected DSI. On a plane where stealth is so important, the only reason to sacrifice DSI is to trading for speed - not just a little higher than mach 2.8, but far higher, otherwise it wouldn't be worth the drawbacks.

[@gags730]

Look at the role they play. Any 'fighter' jet in the last couple of decades are used more as a 'bomber' than a fighter jet. The general role they are used in is for air to ground targets. This is a large 'fighter' aircraft that will most likely follow the bomber first, fighter second, as they have other aircraft better suited as an actual fighter. As technology advances, we also see more emphasis on radar too. I don't really see this as a fighter jet but a fast, low observable small to medium-sized bomber with advanced radar systems to also eliminate the need for planes such as AEWs (AWACS)

[@cameronfarrell9076]

​@@gags730 the reason fighter jets have been mainly used for ground attack over the last few decades is because of the types of wars that have been fought, mainly against smaller insurgency terrorist groups that are not tied to any one nation and who can't operate an air force. Can't fight aircraft when there are no aircraft to fight. The issue is you don't design your future aircraft for what you've been doing, you design it for what you predict in the future, and considering that tensions are rising in the South China sea, where China could be facing both Taiwan and the US who both have traditional air forces, it's safe to say both sides are looking to build fighter aircraft that will be used for fighting

[@tbone7353]

More like it's huge and they have shit engines

[@tbone7353]

​@@gags730it won't be able to fight for shit it's huge and with the mono wing set up it will loose all of it's energy after the 1st turn air to ground is really it's only option

[@weibinzhuang8498]

中国人最大的缺点就是太优秀了，什么事情一旦开始做都要做到极致。其它国家习惯了吹牛，上瘾后大多不当回事，只有中国言出必行从不打嘴炮，全世界应该庆幸科技掌握在文明人手里，如果是犹撒国有了大杀器，生灵涂炭是必然的。它们可以嘴硬改6代机标准，正如手机改了数字就能变5G一样，然而事实胜于雄辩，以后蓝星的天空它们说了不算。

[@caindarin9665]

🤣

[@EveDragon]

哦是吗我怎么不知道，我看到的9成人是为了面子才谦虚，拿棍子抽才知道极致。否则天天不是吹牛拍马屁赏脸又满是阶级地阿谀奉承，就是中庸之道唯唯诺诺净想方设法避雷绕弯儿

[@Heavysmoker123]

​@@caindarin9665 bro is fully confused 😂

[@thetruth7839]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 copy cat idiots

[@williamlay4236]

@eurasia naval, saw your interview with Siming Lan. I have a lot of respect of your analysis and unbiased views. I seriously hope that there will be peace at the Taiwan Straits forever. Call me a pacifist, I don’t care as long as it saves lives. With the right policies and engagement, there can be unification without wars. It starts with talking, with understanding, with humility, with perseverance. Does not matter even if talk lasts donkey years; better than throwing lives away

[@douginorlando6260]

The problem is drag goes extremely high as you approach the speed of sound. But if you can break through Mach 1 then the drag drops down but is still higher than subsonic drag. If you have enough thrust in full military throttle (no afterburners) then you can maintain super cruise which is something like mach 1.3 with only a minor range penalty. To hit Mach 2 you will need afterburners. At Mach 2 the skin heats up and could make the J-36 bright in IR sensors. 3 engines is probably designed to achieve super cruise. If the middle engine were high bypass, then the intent would be to cut the other 2 engines and fly subsonic on the highly efficient engine for great range but slow air speed until they were needed, then go supersonic. (That approach avoids the problems with a variable bypass engine). My guess is when in a threat environment, the J36 will maintain super cruise at high altitude and go AB when appropriate. A surprise launch of missiles at high speed and high altitude greatly improves their missile envelope and range. Stealth and high speed makes it reasonable the J36 can achieve the element of surprise when surface or air targets are within range.

[@christophmahler]

All quite plausible. I suspect the airframe to be another interdictor, possibly unmanned, but at high speed (high geometric 'stealth', but no RADAR absorbent coating) and long range - hence the thir engine is indeed more related to flight regime than power output. There is no point in just building an NGAD, outside from an established doctrine of tanker interdiction.

[@ln-du1ew]

When seeing American netizens still talking about the authenticity of China's sixth-generation fighter, their own sixth-generation fighter is still at the PPT stage, but some Americans are still sober, because the sixth-generation fighter you see is real, no matter how you fantasize, it is there staring at you, of course, mass production and maturity will be a few years later

[@Jbkwoohooyeeha]

It sure is easy to plaster some stuff together and call it 6th gen. This definitely isn’t 6th gen.

[@GG_Allin_Dulles]

praying this at least briefly stops the asinine criticisms of chinese designs not being "original" (as if this is art class and not war) but I fully expect to see a sandboxx article any day now explaining how actually lockheed martin invented triangles

[@timothychung4811]

The aerodynamic shape was already proven long before triangular planes were invented. Triangular are the most aerodynamic. The Chinese planes have similarities to the US's looks because those shapes and angles are proven to deflect radar appropriately ...

[@iamscoutstfu]

B2....B21....

[@GG_Allin_Dulles]

@@timothychung4811 yeah i know i was making fun of american defense news outlets

[@GG_Allin_Dulles]

@@iamscoutstfu a british-designed tailless swept wing monoplane flew in 1911. before that french engineers filed a patent for a design in 1876. jack northrop's first prototype flew in 1929.

[@hawkinsc478]

@@iamscoutstfu As long as the plane is made on the earth, Physics has decided how it would look like...

[@xyxuz123]

We're really just judging a book by its cover, like when everyone made assumptions about the Foxbat based on how it looks.

[@perfectcell1157]

Cope harder yankee

[@mobiuszero1018]

Be that as it may,this is just a prototype...Just imagine what the final version will be like.

[@obamagaming-zv4vy]

Yes but the russians themselves intended the foxbat as a heavy poorly maneuverable and long range inteceptor, we overhyped it and they decided to not correct our assumptions

[@JC.72]

@@xyxuz123 the irony is that the chief designer name is announced recently and he released paper early 2024 about design philosophy etc. In other words the book was there but none of us read it. But perhaps now ppl will read it lol

[@Forevertrue]

That comparison also crossed my mind. This is a big heavy slow fuel hungry, monster that's hard to fly and control.

[@yu-jd5jg]

I think there are 4 main phases in developing China's PLA. 1) no outside army/armies can defeat the PLA in Mainland China 2) PLA is now able to defeat any invaders in the US first chain line to contain China 3) China is capable of defending its BRI assets effectively and confidently by 2035 4) PLA will be equal to the best in the world by 2049

[@courtly5982]

China is already capable of defeating any army on the planet, china's 5g towers and drones (accoeding to the arny) can withstand EMP weapons. Meaning the drones are unstoppable unless the towers are destroyed, now imagine a thousand towers and a milion drones. The amount could blot out the sun. Drone warfare is the future

[@tsz6993]

讓世界變得和平

[@黑猫不捉鼠]

还需要2049年？

[@johnlee1546]

whats BRI?

[@courtly5982]

@@cinnamonroll29 Ccp may, china won't, mind my stolen quote: "the ccp is not china and china is not the ccp"

[@antn8387]

A triple engine indicates that the J36 is a hybrid fighter jet / space craft that's capable of flying in low earth orbit.

[@Subhumanoid_]

It can fly to Mars too.

[@echen71]

Happy New Year! May 10-thousand matters go your way! 万事如意

[@blasterbooks9282]

What is amazing to me is people thinking something that have three engines is a fighter aircraft it's a fighter bomber

[@NotUnymous]

Its a little more complicated then that, brainiack. But nice flashing of arrogance you did there.

[@thecartruthreport8451]

I'm sure this plane has all of the capabilities that have been advertised by the PLAF. Let me know when there is a KZbin code so I can get it 20% off on Temu

[@andrean2247]

Temu is for poor country, in here we dont have temu

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

@@andrean2247 Your English is pathetic. Are you another starving mainlander?

[@Gammaundertone1313]

​@@andrean2247 nah, China just uses gutter oil to feed their citizens while they power their phones off of tapped light fixtures in parking garages with burning e-vehicles for warmth

[@horridohobbies]

Very cool design! Kudos, China.

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

NGAD knockoff

[@horridohobbies]

@@KyleReese-vt8bo Hardly.

[@SHine_REvolver_CN]

@@KyleReese-vt8bo knockoff PPT?🤣

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

@@SHine_REvolver_CN Its powered by the will of the CCP and starving villagers.

[@Forevertrue]

I think it is the typical everyone expected it to be. Nothing unusual or surprising. What it will not be is very stealthy. If you are flying straight and level no problem but as soon as you turn you are locked. And the new electro-visual systems are really getting effective without radar so stealthy it will not be.

[@UndoEverything]

Do you guys remember Endia eliminated COVID-19 with cow dung and cow piss? They have designed 12th generation plane which uses cow dung and cow piss as fuel and body coat to be invisible. It became so much invisible that it disappeared in front of their eyes and now the whole country is searching for it but still failing. Any help?

[@davidmcguire4706]

Yes

[@imikokodama3054]

Wow bro

[@grigorebernschutz4611]

😂😂😅😅👍

[@shangmaoquanyu6263]

哈哈。原来全世界的人都要嘲笑印度人

[@ronron7763]

Typical of jihadi madrassa chaps. But yes Bharat did develop its own Corono virus meds and supplied world wide, as being top med producer, so take a chill pill. You know med penicillin orginated from MOLD. just drink camel urine as per your Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5686 In-book reference : Book 76, Hadith 9

[@JC.72]

Amazing analysis drawing from jason

[@mansurazeez2229]

Futuristic flying triangle! China makes the world's first 3-engined 6th generation fighter jet! 👍

[@grossindecency]

Ngad has been flying for nearly a decade, but okay.

[@pendulmonium]

​@@grossindecencyour military went back to the drawing board lol we have no 6th gen atm

[@grossindecency]

@pendulmonium I believe they have it on hold in favour of more raiders with drone Fighters. Sounds like they already have a cost effective solution that they have been overlooking during the ngad development.

[@stevec5465]

It looks like a Huawei tri-fold phone.

[@adam68756]

@@grossindecency ok, China test it 20 years ago

[@Al-jn1pj]

Well probably end up knowing more about the aircraft than the Chinese.

[@brianboye8025]

I think the third engine for power generation is exquisite.

[@Lucas-o6b3v]

No, this obviously exposed the fact that their engine was not good.

[@raymondtay3532]

Well done China Superpower have developed a new 6 Generation J-36 fighter jets 💪💪👏👏👍👍💯💯♥️♥️

[@mikeosgood3846]

china is Not a superpower and never has been.

[@nerdsworthpoindexter6661]

Made in China 😂

[@codedlogic]

How do you know it’s a fighter - much less “sixth gen”? China hasn’t made any statements about this aircraft. And this looks much more like a bomber than a fighter. And whatever this is - it’s clearly a demonstrator not a production aircraft.

[@danielmartin7838]

People are too hung-up on giving aircraft generational designations. More importantly, it’s impossible to determine a military aircraft’s full spread of capabilities via visual observation. If this platform/s are adopted by the PLAF, there is every reason to assume updates on software and capabilities would be recurring, like we see in the F-35 Use Boeing’s Bird of Prey prototype flown in the late nineties as an example of how futuristic aircraft do not always lead to adoption by a government I personally wouldn't be comfortable designating any aircraft “next gen” without the adoption of some kind of new propulsion system, like the transition from propeller driven fighters to jet engines.

[@Bruhngus420]

your solution to what you personally think would classify a 6th gen with new propulsion technology is a bit arbitrary. as many point out, that goes against your own argument, is that the general classification of jets and their respective generation class is mainly due to the technology at their respective time of designation. yes, you could say "i personally think new advanced engines would classify a hey as 6th gen" but that same argument could've been said in the 60's, 70's, with "i dont think these jets are 4th gen unless thay have better structural stability" like, yes, that's understandable, but like many things, that in itself wouldn't necessarily help a jet hop over a generation. Just pointing that out, because it doesnt make sense

[@christophmahler]

True in regard to generational 'designations', but pointless as the term derives from the West and dictates global discourse. In China ceremony is crucial. The plane would not have been tolerated to circulate tightly controlled social media if it is not meant to be talked about.

[@HeidiKernstad]

@@christophmahler Last week, the U.S. congress approved a $895 billion spending bill with a focus on Asia. On the bill, it explicitly allocated $15 billion for “deterring China.” and allocates billions more in “investments to the Indo-Pacific region.” It also approved $300 million military aid to Taiwan. Funnily enough, congress unanimously voted for it. That was the reason for the sighting of these planes. A message from China to the ruling elites of the United States.

[@Bruhngus420]

@@HeidiKernstad whats the name of that bill, and can you tell me the page where that deterring china thing is talked about? thanks

[@HeidiKernstad]

@@Bruhngus420 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024 TITLE XIII--OTHER MATTERS RELATING TO FOREIGN NATIONS Subtitle A--Matters Relating to the Indo-Pacific Region Read Sec. 1301 through Sec. 1319

[@johnknight2012]

China's J-6 could even fly off the coast to meet with Russian Naval joint exercises without refueling tanks Japan was monitoring them and released the video. It showed they are super gas guzzlers with no range also no is buying J-6s because of shotty workman ship and Quality. China new jet is Pretty indeed but that all it is Pretty.

[@christianbuczko1481]

I saw another analysis which suggested that central engine is a ramjet, and the aircraft is similar to failed us aircraft ideas.

[@SKubric]

Pulse detonation engine

[@georgedang449]

This is so different from Hopeless Diamond. When western analysts compare the two, it's basically due to sore grape syndrome.

[@Cedartreetechnologies]

Nice how one short flight can give everything away.

[@andresilvasophisma]

I'm suspecting the third engine might be ramjet. That intake above is weird.

[@dannytadashi4235]

Nothing weird about it just pure cool and smart and good function 😃👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[@chinadoctorguo6784]

你是懂技术的

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

It's not

[@rayl2505]

Chinese ramjet engine teach was mature 3 years back​@@MrKentaroMotoPI

[@hypocritehater1673]

The weird is YOUU,you talk something beyond your grasp😂

[@navypowertv]

The J-36 is a game-changer! From its triple-engine configuration to the innovative side-mounted AESA radars, it truly represents a leap in stealth and performance. The power demands alone hint at cutting-edge tech, and its potential for high-speed supercruising is incredible. Do you think this will be the future of 6th-gen fighters? Can it outpace the US and other superpowers?

[@shteve3092]

Well I'm curious how much noise and exhaust plume this produces for a stealth jet. From the sound clip it definitely doesn't sound as stealthy compared to other jets.

[@kayzrx8]

More like inefficient design , high drag and underpowered engines .....

[@bobsmith3983]

People seems to over estimate power requirements on aircraft. The radar would be the biggest power user on the aircraft and even that is not that large as the RMS power used is only a small fraction of the peak RF transmit power of the radar. In passive receive mode the power used is relatively small compared to transmit power.

[@kusotarre]

It's the other way around. This fighter will likely have quite a large battery (another area China excels in) to support extremely high energy use for short periods, which then can be charged back up during windows of passive scanning. This is all well trodden territory, and has been spoken about for a long time with for example the Megawatt Tactical Aircraft program, which was envisaged for the NGAD. A major limitation of 5th gen is that can't produce or thermally manage enough power for all the gadgets airforces want to stick on them.

[@古德雍飛]

@@FreeSpeech-z6j 🃏

[@kusotarre]

@@FreeSpeech-z6j"Chinese junk battery" lmao c'mon. Tesla, BMW, Mercedes all get their batteries from China, Northvolt just declared bankruptcy largely over QC issues and the founder of CATL is (in nice words) mocking Musk for pursuing cylindricals. Hate on China all you want, but this is reddit-tier nonsense. Don't be NEET Zeihan.

[@itsericzhou]

@@FreeSpeech-z6j fun fact, every single battery used in EVs, power storage for solar, high capacity batteries for cell phones, are a) produced in china b) has its patents held in china. please educate yourself before you yap. there are many western sources that are claiming this like wall street journal.

[@kusotarre]

@@itsericzhou Not entirely true. There have been Western attempts to produce batteries, they're just far behind on tech, process, and QC. Cybertruck is using Tesla batteries made in Cali and Texas, and even with the low run it's showing some serious problems. Some Euro manufacturers have tried to acquire batteries from companies like Northvolt (now entering bankruptcy), but dogged by consistent QC problems and low yields. Panasonic does have a decent battery division, but they are well behind CATL and BYD on process, density, cost. It's pretty grim for collective West battery producers, but not completely barren. They can learn, but will take time and proper incentives (less likely to happen with shitty ra-ra-ra fellators like @FreeSpeech-z6j taking up space.

[@dougshoemaker2114]

That it doesn't work?

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

The tri-engine layout very likely points to China's continued struggles with engine development and construction. They cannot build engines versatile enough for both high-mach and low speed efficiency, so they basically have to drag around a third very heavy engine to give the aircraft the performance range necessary to satisfy mission goals. It's very unlikely this is a 'true' 6-gen aircraft considering China's known technology and construction limitations. More likely a 5-plus in terms of overall capability. Still a huge achievement for them and should be taken seriously, but knowing what we know about how China 'fakes it till they make it', predictions about capabilities should be kept in perspective.

[@Anlushac11]

I get the feeling that this is a long range strike aircraft.

[@rod3134]

I initially thought that it was a silly design, but, I am rethinking the 3rd engine. Power down the outer engines and keep the center one on. Now you'll have a worldwide capable stealth bomber... 🤔 Several here are thinking speed and fighter roles. I believe it's main role is long-range surveillance and bombings. Any fighter type roles seem secondary based on its design 🤓

[@agusedyanto3324]

I think this plane will be feared by air tankers, aircraft carriers, even low orbit spy satellites.

[@fatmangoboom7722]

I think the 3rd engine is a scram jet! Instead of trying to make a jet engine and scram jet together they just added one!

[@iamscoutstfu]

Pretty silly thing to do. Wastes a ton of space

[@jfbaro2]

“Good day” I wait for your channel to comment on Chinese military. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@Mauro-n1z]

Since this is a prototype and given the ongoing development of Chinese propulsion systems, the engine types and numbers may change.

[@remix-yy1hs]

Was this in same city? Both in chemgdu ?

[@luoroger-qm9sw]

and shengyang

[@hawkinsc478]

The bigger one is in Chengdu, the smaller is in Shenyang. Those two cities are where two major Jet design institutes of PLA located.

[@remix-yy1hs]

Thanks alot.. I wish I was there outside.. and see this suddenly 😮😮😂😂

[@DMT-ix9zj]

It looks amazing, but reading so many of the comments like this plane is already in service. It usually takes many years 2-5 from first flight and service.

[@drzhanga]

it's in military-ready paints, and it's #11 of its kind, I'd assume it is already in service. In contrast, that J20S that flies along with it, is not service ready

[@peanut0brain]

There is a real thing called "China speed"!

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

@@peanut0brain Yes lol. The poor quality of your infrastructure reflects such 'speed'. Speed is NOT a virtue.

[@92HazelMocha]

The time for Chinese aircraft development is much shorter than here in the west. However it will probably still be years before it enters service.

[@Lucas-o6b3v]

This is a model, a big toy, for performance.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

I heard from the Chinese bots that this can cruise in outer space at Mach 30 and can sink an aircraft carrier from 30000 miles away.

[@PhilipTan-i1u]

China's J36, 6th generation stealth supersonic jet fighter is certainly superior than the 5th generation jet fighters simply because the J36 has a combo of optimized design parameters. That points to a very good aerodynamic design and payload capabilities. The J36 is a big aircraft with incredible payload capacity and high flight performance, hence the three engines configuration.

[@PhilipTan-i1u]

@KyleReese-vt8bo why r u saying the lie that China is falling apart, while it isn't?

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

Best China Dorito. America be afraid. Jet powered by the will of the CCP and many starving Chinese people.

[@PhilipTan-i1u]

@@KyleReese-vt8bo thats right Dude and the "whole world" knows you are lying.

[@rudeboy1997]

If will all come down to its RCS.

[@adeimousragnarok8150]

Made of Fiber Glass...

[@92HazelMocha]

Wait till you find out that the F35 is like 34% plastic lmao.

[@patricofritz4094]

China will have combined cycle engines for it's 6th generation lighters when it's adopted. This is a hybrid of turbine/turbojet/fan along with rocket and ram/scram jet. This can power aircraft like spacecraft and missiles and drones up to mach 6 but for bigger fighter jet about Mach 4 , and enable access to space or near space. I think China should work more on it's rtcc engine adding more airflow in the turbine part and making it like adaptive jet engine , work on scram jet as part of the CCE. China should look at inspiration from astromechanica electric adaptive jet engine. This is super advanced and combines turbojet turbofan and ramjet. For maneuverability and stability with the lack of tail and vertical stabilizers china can use control surfaces, active flow cycle and superb thrust vectoring. The 6th gen fighter can also use thrusters on the body.

[@chiaweinam]

Sour grapes.

[@Doomguy-777]

What is likely to make it to 6th gen fighters: Twin side-oriented GaN radars instead of one front facing AESA in the nose (although it's not really front facing in reality, it can be rotated), overlapping their scan angle to the front and fixing the issue of not being able to have an effective scan coverage on the sides autonomously despite the passive sensors allowing data fusion and data links which can't always be relied upon 100% of the time. GaN radars are said to have less energy consumption, more performance, less vulnerable to jamming, smaller form factor, so overall it does everything better simply put which could perhaps allow the installation of two instead of one radar, but it's going to cost a lot if that's the case and replacing or maintaining two radars for one aircraft is a technical challenge. So these possibly two "AESA" radars are probably not traditional AESA radars but GaN in fact. Traditional AESAs occupy too much volume inside the chassis. All with a complement of other antennas in the wings and/or fuselage, tail. Top mounted intake to reduce the radar cross section and allow more spacious weapon bays below, possibly to carry stand-off weapons in the future and an absurd amount of small diameter bombs and more BVRAAMs. Variable Cycle Engines (confirmed for the european NGF along thrust vectoring at this stage). "Older" generation features along present day ones: cloud combat servers, UCAVs, more jammers, towed decoys... Likely to reuse delta and diamond wing designs because those offer better supersonic performance, and better stalling when compensated with various leading-edge extensions and electronics. Maybe a flying wing of some sort such as this prototype, maybe an hybrid of the two.

[@keffinsg]

The thing that should really frighten the Yanks, is that if China is showing a 6th Gen prototype, means that the 7th Gen is already being designed.

[@drzhanga]

It is said that China showed these new tech in such a short period of time, was intended to prevent the Yanks from taking reckless risks and starts WW3 without knowing what they're up against.

[@peanut0brain]

This new 6th Gen fighter goes Mach 7 and up to 100km into space with the ram jet engine. F22 and F35 goes Mach 2.2 and up to 15km high. What can 7th Gen be like?!

[@DomZ83]

@@peanut0brain how do you know this?

[@peanut0brain]

@@DomZ83 "wave media" channel with a verbal document link

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

@@peanut0brain INTO SPACE? lol. You are a simple villager. probably starving.

[@Ste2023]

I heard it takes double A batteries .... plus plus ... a USb - C connector

[@JinKee]

1:45 could the windows be for LIDAR emitters or maybe even directed energy laser weapons?

[@JinKee]

@ i wonder how far we are away from nuclear powered loyal wingman drones? Russia has a nuclear powered drone that works sometimes (and blows up scientists other times), and without a crew the reactor could operate unshielded

[@kingkea3451]

More likely cheek radars.

[@acompletelynormalhuman6392]

Cwis lasers are nearly exclusively used against crouse missiles and drones. super sonic missiles are heat resistant to survive super sonic heating pulse dew to their high speed they are likely to hit a target before it can lase it down as it takes time for a laser to transfer that much energy. not to mention the size and weight of a lases defense system especially a tureted ones which you probably want so you can noch a missile in case the laser fails to shoot down the missile and you likey want it to pop out like the b36 to not heder stealth when not in use wich makes it hever and mor complex. the power requirements are barely met by ships so makeing enough power for lasers and everything else just semes impractical i feel like having a few air launched missile intorseptors like the iris T (which is mainly a fox 2s but it can intersept other missiles) 6th gens may have a dasler laser against fox 2s missiles like the su 57 is clamed to have but even then with the redused emphasis on dogfighting it seems unlikely

[@MakroAlam]

Congratulations China always love you 😘 from Pakistan 🇵🇰

[@glike2]

The J-36 flap hinge fairings is bad for stealth. The ailerons hinge angle looks designed to create advantageous roll yaw coupling to impove maneuver performance

[@ChuckNorrizzed]

When can we see this cruise along the USA coastline?

[@WayneAndrews-oo2mw]

Who said it was 6th gen please tell us

[@hypocritehater1673]

@@WayneAndrews-oo2mw if you are told it's 7 gen,you won't know,you are just a birdbrain 🤭

[@timothychung4811]

I agree on that, but I think it is a prelude to the 6th. I'm sure there are still lots of room for them to improve.

[@92HazelMocha]

US defense bloggers. Neither the US nor Chinese government has actually labeled these aircraft as "6th generation"

[@WayneAndrews-oo2mw]

@@timothychung4811 Look at the air intakes that isnt stealth

[@Yduar-lo8bk]

I wont consider any yet piloted by a human gen 6. Should be autonomous at the very least. Good my opinion doesnt matter though 😂

[@vincentkuah2525]

DO NOT TRY TO SUPPRESS YOUR RIVALS. THERE ARE SO MANY FOR YOU TO KEEP WATCH. WHEN YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, THE RIGHT SLOWLY CREEPS UP TO YOU. SIMILARLY, WHEN YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, THE RIGHT WILL BE AT YOUR SHOULDERS. OR SHALL WE SAY. 1 STEP FORWARD, 2 STEPS BACKWARDS.

[@rocketpunchgo1]

Only came here to give you video interaction by saying damn that's some amazing clickbait title work. Saying "What nobody told you about China's 6th Gen Fighter" is like saying "What nobody told you about next week's weather forecast." 13,000 views in 2 hours... nice.

[@satanlucifer7363]

J37?on the way already, 7th Gen fighter jet

[@yudiji1596]

If B21 is a Gen6 "fighter", B2 is a more capable Gen5 "fighter"

[@austinjagusch6065]

There bombers not fighters

[@jworthe]

Why is no one in the comments questioning why this aircraft was so conspicuously test flown (with pictures being allowed to be taken from all angles)?

[@bai-iq3sw]

Maybe because it's nkt cutting-edge anymore,so there is no need to keep it under wraps

[@jworthe]

This feels like a red herring. A little too conspicuous...

[@byhyew]

So was the J20 and J35. This is definitely not the first flight of this plane though, there are clear wear on the paint/skin on the flaperons.

[@MrJwmterry]

The serial number of this jet proves that it is the sixth product, and judging from the gray coating, it is already an officially mature product. Someone had already seen the test flight three years ago, but the military did not allow it to be released. Now that it can fly at low altitude in urban areas, it proves that there is no need for secrecy, as the research on the seventh generation fighter jet is likely already in progress.

[@Lucas-o6b3v]

This is a model aircraft flight performance, not the so-called Chinese 6th generation aircraft

[@christophmahler]

Though my grasp of aerodynamics boils down to mere formal logic in textbooks, instead of running the numbers, myself one can look at the wings more closely in order to grasp whether they are optimized for trans-sonic or supersonic speeds as one can't have it both ways. "A supersonic airfoil shape is designed to operate at Mach numbers greater than unity. Unlike subsonic airfoils, supersonic airfoils produce strong shock waves. These shock waves create significant pressure changes, affecting the airflow and aerodynamic performance of the airfoil. The well-rounded, cambered airfoil sections that are well-suited to subsonic flight speed are generally inappropriate for high-speed and supersonic flight. Supersonic airfoils are distinctive in their geometric shapes in that they are *thin* (i.e., have a low thickness-to-chord ratio) with *sharp leading edges* . Supersonic airfoils generally have thinner sections constructed of angled planes called double-wedge airfoils or opposed circular arcs called biconvex airfoils (...)" Aerodynamic traits that happen to coincide with the 'diamond shape' of a low RADAR signature. While merely being an informed gamble, from the PLAAF mission requirement of striking US tanker planes and refueling drones across the Pacific, I bet the J-XX/'J-36' is an interdictor, designed not just for low observability like a strike bomber, but for super-sonic dashes to the point of interception akin during the early Cold War against nuclear bombers - in that case, the 'dorky' third engine would not increase electrical power output, but thrust while maintaining small engine diameters, required for the sharp airframe edges of supersonic flight. We all wait for specialists like Augusto Adelghi (Millenium7) to give his '200 cents' on this question. Another noteworthy point: why does a J-20S that is designed for Collaborative Combat Aircraft deployment and not yet in serial production watch over a prototype... if the latter is not an Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle ?...

[@georgedang449]

The factory has it on hand. They keep it around as a platform to tinker, test, and develop modifications for J-20. This is a common practice. It makes more sense to use it than borrowing a J-20 from the air force, one that most likely doesn't have the additional monitoring equipment likely installed on the factory test platform.

[@christophmahler]

@@georgedang449 "This is a common practice." No. It is not. Everyone understands why, but You.

[@georgedang449]

@@christophmahler Wrong, every single monitoring plane that flew alongside test flights in the past were existing factory testbeds, not service planes borrowed from PLAAF. Now you know.

[@christophmahler]

@@georgedang449 "every single monitoring plane that flew alongside test flights in the past were existing factory testbeds" Right. What was the chase plane of the J-7 again ?...

[@georgedang449]

@@christophmahler Why don't you recall back to the days of Wright brothers? The mark of stupidity is, instead of absorbing new information when offered, you double down on ignorance.

[@johnsmith1953x]

*Are the bays in the J-36 big enough to hold Nuclear Cruise missiles?* If so, what would be their size? 10 kton? 50 kton?

[@kingkea3451]

The bay is roughly 6m long. The Russian Kh-102 is >7m long, the American AGM-86B was 6.3m long. It's possible to make a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that fits in that bay, at least by length. Diameter and such may pose more of an issue depending on the cruise missile design. Of the two cruise missiles I mentioned, the AGM-86B could be used with "low" yield warheads (1-5kt) or a high yield warhead (150kt). Some configurations of the Kh-102 could do 250kt supposedly.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@kingkea3451 So China can land several nuclear/EMP/Bio hits on the USA from this jet disabling the US's ability to counter-attack. Of course, assuming they know the nuclear/EMP hits were also from China. Interesting...

[@suekuan1540]

First 3 engine fighter bomber . Interesting to see if that is a valid deaign

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

Nope, it would get swatted out of the sky.

[@georgedang449]

The middle engine is ramjet. Intake can be on top, because at hypersonic speeds, there's no such thing as dogfighting, where top intake can starve engine of oxygen. A more conventional 4 engine layout is more stable and easier to manage, if 2 engines lack the power, which isn't the case, as 2 of J-20's WS-15 engines are already more capable than B1's 4 engines. Also, with modifications, DSI can be efficient at up to mach 2.8. China already perfected DSI. On a plane where stealth is so important, the only reason to sacrifice DSI is to trade for speed - not just a little higher than mach 2.8, but far higher, otherwise it wouldn't be worth the drawbacks.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

this is probably a technology demonstrator prototype . . . many of the features you see here in the prototype will be modified before commencing serial production . . . the J-36 aft landing gear arrangement is similar to that of the MIG-31B multi role air superiority fighter . . .

[@timothychung4811]

If they're showing this to the public, they would most likely have already perfected the plane further...

[@laughingkor8643]

Still waiting for the US's B21 to take a real flight. No AI virtual demonstration B21 flight. A real flight, like the J-36's, please.

[@韋頑石-o7q]

B21速度太慢了

[@gone547]

I used to make paper planes like this when I was 6.

[@TomDrez]

5:44 I'm not agreeing with this, this fighter is obviously way smaller and lighter than the other two we saw flying, i'd say this one is a third one, made specifically to be stealthier than fifth gen fighters as you were saying earlier in the video, it won't have a big range, but it would probably be faster and more manoeuvrable and hard to track, drone made like this would outperform everything in term of g force and would make manoeuvers that would be hard for any radar, aircraft or missiles to track, but everything about this one is different, the wings are not as wide and smaller, the cockpit and the nose are far ahead of the main body compared to the other aircrafts diamond shaped, there's only 2 engines which have their entrance on the top of the frame, and there's only one pilot seat, this fighter isn't any of the two we saw flying, it's another one. We had rumors a few days ago that another 6th gen fighter in Xi'an was not ready to fly yet but could have been in the reveal birthday of Mao, personnally i think because we know it exist since at least 2022, it's the one the u.s general were concerned about when they said earlier in the (last) year that the u.s should get rid of the ngad/fx-x to build "light fighter instead" the u.s fight outside their country with battlegroups of carrier, if the NGAD were to encounter such a swarm of man/unmmaned fighters that would make the task really complicated even for it and they'd have to manage a defensive position which would be far from ideal, so there would be no choice but to have exactly the same weapons than the chineses to counter them the best they could.

[@Forevertrue]

The Chinese fell for it. This design is great at straight and level but as soon as you have to maneuver you are no longer stealthy and are easily locked. Change altitude locked , turn left or right locked. All those control surfaces are radar beacons. And this is not a fast air craft. It's heavy and awkward to fly. The piolet gets exhausted in short order trying to hold it level.

[@TomDrez]

@Forevertrue There's still the others two aircrafts to not forget, i wonder if they "fell for it" as you said or just esteemed they had the ressources to do that, regardless of the way it fight it's a true nest of experience to gain and technology to improve, just as the others two, plus no matter the challenges they'll face they still have very reliable missiles of all kind and ranges, and if thoses have unmanned versions that will cost no lives to engage any target in case of loss of the craft. I'd say it will go well with the others 2 aircrafts, plus if the chineses have "falled for it" the american are doing the same by going in the "light fighter" direction.

[@Nate_dog01]

It’s not about the frame but the compute ……what kind of compute does it have…….and how good are the radars….

[@junkerpain251]

Its bigger than the j 20, Its huge, and they call it a fighter jet. It would have been less laughable if they call it a bomber. China has a scale issue with its new generation planes

[@timothychung4811]

Where is the rule for fighter size? Perhaps you should call Washington for a job as the NGAD went back to the drawing board and fundings stalled for the current program's direction.

[@junkerpain251]

@timothychung4811 its a big target, nothing more

[@adder88]

Expanding fighter jets may be a trend. It can carry more payloads and has a longer range, carrying more advanced electronic warfare kits.

[@junkerpain251]

@adder88 I'm sorry but u will never convince me that this huge thing is a fighter jet. Did you see its landing gear. It belongs to a bomber. It looks slow heavy and probably maneuver like a brick with wings. But its supposed to be 6th gen. It will probably get better in the future.

[@AwesomesMan]

Three engines is impressive but has to hurt its range! Also I wonder if the air sensor point on the nose is final? It’ll hurt stealth profile wouldn’t it?

[@randomname931]

they don't all have to be active at all times.

[@AwesomesMan]

@@randomname931 good point

[@bharal1731]

谢谢你的信息 元旦快乐😊🎉

[@johnseah5678]

The J-36s leading swarms of long range CCA interceptor drones over the 2nd Island chain could hunt and shoot down cargo planes, such as C-130 or C-17 aircraft, temporarily repurposed under the Rapid Dragon program as standoff bombers capable of mass launching any variant of long or short range AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles against land or naval targets. This could be one of China's answers to the USA's Rapid Dragon program, extending the air-sea battle thousands of kilometers out over the western Pacific away from the Chinese coastline.

[@ASSETTO_EDITS]

If its manned is it really 6th gen?

[@andrean2247]

It need to be manned if get jammed or lost comms. And unmanned when the pilot get unconsious because of high G.

[@SilverSherry]

Being unmanned is not a key property of a 6th generation aircraft

[@NotUnymous]

Depends. The "generation" thingy is more to label tech gamechanger. Gen. 6 doesnt have to be unmanned If they have something else what could be gamechanging tech. But considered the tech age we are in right now, I would be surprised about anything else but unmanned and/or AI. If its only a very stealthy and modern Jet it would be more of a 5.5 tho.

[@1218omaroo]

"Aircrafts"... just a friendly note to say that in English, singular and plural variants are the same. One aircraft. Two aircraft. A squadron of aircraft. There is no such word as "aircrafts".

[@Lucas-o6b3v]

This is a model, a big toy, for performance.

[@Castragroup]

I want to see the PAK Dp

[@christophmahler]

What can it do that a medium range ballistic missile with multiple warheads can't ?...

[@Nero-Caesar]

But why are they not making the actuators flush it's really the only thing that holds it back imo

[@mssv19123]

2nd island chain Guam will be contested airspace with 6th gen battling over the area

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

Sorry, China would be quickly humbled. Your generals are useless. Xi keeps making them disappear.

[@christopherguerrero4685]

No

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

No

[@Drownedinblood]

I think power issues aren't really a problem for China especially since they lead the way in battery tech. They could probably turn off non-essentials as well and cruise along.

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

You are thinking of Taiwan.

[@Drownedinblood]

@@KyleReese-vt8bo china is ahead of taiwan in terms of battery tech..

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

@@Drownedinblood No. How about chips?

[@Drownedinblood]

@@KyleReese-vt8bo ...we are talking about power though...

[@heartfelt4387]

didnt know vincent teo was also into fighter jets as well as hdtv's

[@Thetequilashooter1]

I don’t understand the big deal. The US tested a 6th gen fighter over four years ago. This isn’t anything groundbreaking.

[@kinwai27271]

in Hollywood only.

[@Thetequilashooter1]

@Cope harder. It’s reality. The US isn’t like China that shows its aircraft under development. Just like with the F-117, B-2, B-21, etc. the US typically reveals its more modern aircraft only when they’re about to enter service. “On September 14, 2020, it was revealed that the USAF had secretly designed, built, and flown at least one prototype of its Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter. “We’ve already built and flown a full-scale flight demonstrator in the real world, and we broke records in doing it,” then head of the U.S. Air Force, Will Roper, told Defense News back in 2020. “We are ready to go and build the next-generation aircraft in a way that has never happened before.”

[@haku9215]

in top gun2？

[@Thetequilashooter1]

@@haku9215 Nope, in reality. It’s fun watching Chinese trolls coping hard.

[@Thetequilashooter1]

@@haku9215 In reality.

[@johnseah5678]

Seems like you don't think the 3rd jet engine will be a ramjet or scramjet? So you are not expecting the Chengdu J-36 to super-cruise in near-space > 18 km altitude so it can dash out beyond the 1st island chain to intercept incoming threats?

[@tsz6993]

你是正確的，我國的大量研究都指向超高空作戰的武器方向向前的，.這戰機還可以前段中段攔下所有洲際飛彈的能力

[@honfmeilingfleet957]

the Shape could be a Chinese version of Pan Spatial Strikewitch

[@heytruthdohurts]

but what about the oxygen supply to the pilot ??? oh wait its F35

[@meow4619]

Waiting for the PowerPoint of USA 7th Generation Fighter.

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

Best China Dorito. America be afraid. Jet powered by the will of the CCP and many starving Chinese people.

[@ritu8985]

Fourth