These last few videos have had mega good lighting and video quality. Whatever you changed, it's not going unnoticed
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you think so. I’ve been filming in 4K for awhile now, it’s slowly killing my laptop haha. And lighting wise, it’s always a struggle, I always feel like it’s too dark through the camera, but it seems to be ideal once on a larger screen.
@persianwingman2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about bellows on expensive grinders, feels like a hack rather than a decent solution to a design flaw.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think that’s a good point. I mean, it is tough to get near zero retention, but not impossible. Just slap a bellows on it and we’re good to go.
@panad0r2 жыл бұрын
This exactly. If I spend this much on a grinder, I want it to be well designed, worked out. A bellows just makes it seem that they couldn't get it working any other way. Niche managed it years ago and it's disappointing that no other similarly-priced grinder managed to replicate this feat even now. I'm looking to upgrade to a Niche, unless I decide to "skip" the Niche and go straight to even higher priced grinders like the P64 or maybe the upcoming Acaia Orbit. Neither of which uses freaking bellows.
@nolanchan82882 жыл бұрын
@@panad0r I'm looking at a P64 myself but these wait times are killer 😞
@Abdullah-cj2mh6 ай бұрын
That’s the thing about the Eureka. They make great grinders but suddenly once the price becomes as high as the Oro it’s not worth it anymore. I bought a Mignon Zero (Basically a Specialita without the touch screen) and I think it’s absolutely worth the $340 I paid for, but $800 for the Oro??? Seriously??
@josiahpreuter2 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate your fair and honest take on all things coffee. I've enjoyed mine over the last month and it's good to know that although mine came missing the bellows out of the box, I'm not missing much.
@daniel635biturbo2 жыл бұрын
That focus pull with switch of grinder ❤ I have the old smaller Eureka Mignon 2017 version, and I removed the hopper, and instead have a single dose setup. A wood block and a metal pipe, which just fit one dose. To prevent "pop corning" I always put my little shot glass on top of the metal pipe when grinding. Anyway, with the removal of all plastic hopper parts and cumbersome metal gate/valve, almost all problem with static fines, and chaff disappeared !
@Imabanana8472 жыл бұрын
I also hate the look of bellows on top of grinders. I'm glad you mentioned that 😆
@onefireoneway2 жыл бұрын
TBH that small grinder, Niche Zero, is an one hell of a grinder. It is the epitome of the product that nails the customer's needs.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
You know it really is. I’ve been very happy with it over the last two years now.
@raymondt72372 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus I think the Weber Key will be the next big player in grinders, only the price possibly keeps the Niche top pick.
@petervansan10542 жыл бұрын
except niche as company is scum that forces you to pay 20% extra if you are not UK resident
@Timberjagi2 жыл бұрын
@@petervansan1054 it's not the company, its your goverment ;). The only thing i don't understand of them why not ship it directly from China in stead of the UK (Maybe they changed it nowadays but when i recieved mine it was just dissapointing)
@petervansan10542 жыл бұрын
@@Timberjagi No, why do people get this wrong? WHEN YOU EXPORT from UK you do not add VAT. Niche keeps price the same, so you pay extra 80 pounds. Even if you have no VAT yourself you still paid 500 pounds for something that niche priced at 420 pounds.
@MrJusmobile2 жыл бұрын
I love my Eureka, it is amazing. I have never had such consistent shots!! Perfect
@ytube555user2 жыл бұрын
In the EU, the Mignon is about $200 cheaper all costs and taxes includes and it's also comes with a 3 year EU warranty from a reputable company. NZ warranty is next to impossible to enforce outside the UK and at the end of the day is a one-man operation. Given that the price situation is the opposite for you, what would you recommend to a EU buyer? Would honestly really appreciate your input.
@jimreppinb142 жыл бұрын
I have a silenzio modded for single dose and bellows. Literally half the price with basically the same performance.
@popcornplayer282 жыл бұрын
How do you mod for single dose. I have just purchased the silenzio.
@mtb272 жыл бұрын
Hows much retention do you get? is is consistent or not?
@tnvideoguy Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind … this comparison is the Niche Zero vs Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose grinder (there is also a $499 Eureka model called the Mignon Zero).
@FabulousResults2 жыл бұрын
no one's gonna make a niche killer until they perfectly remake the niche with less supply problems
@Raimond9222 жыл бұрын
Sound pressure in dB (A) is usually measured in a free field, where no reflections whatsoever occur. In many cases the measuring distance is 1 m from the source. This might explain the much higher noise pressure in your room. I'd be geniunely curious what results you'd get if you test it e. g. in your garden or something like that.
@jurcsi2 жыл бұрын
still, the Niche is more quiet head to head with the Single dose. and by the way, the Eureka specialita is also more quiet than the Single dose (about the same as the Niche) but having said that, owning the Single dose for a month now, I don't have problems with its loudness.
@angusfraser85432 жыл бұрын
All else being equal between grinders, his measurements should still be an indication of which is better.
@Zarazkowy2 жыл бұрын
Also, more important, I recommend stop using these apps as a refer point.
@danjvАй бұрын
Thanks for the comparison and your thoughts. I recently purchased a Mignon Facile. Basically this is the Silencio without the timer. At $349 US the value is apparent. 50mm burrs get the job done. With a couple of mods I've cot a very capable workhorse. I got a single dose hopper with bellows and an adjustment ring that solves the multiple turns of the adjustment dial. Just over $400 total investment and this little guy punches with the big boys.
@z00011001 Жыл бұрын
Look wise eureka is much better. Also, espresso lovers will love wider range of adjustments in eureka. 65mm burr size is steal at eureka price. I have rancilio whose adjustments falls short for espresso (just 2 clicks) and niche seems similar. I had to buy rocket faucito that is similar to eureka in adjustments but with 50mm burr and cost me more than eureka. Also, seems like you got flat burr vs conical other way round. Everyone agrees that flat is for espresso and conical for pour over.
@bogdanadzic9305 Жыл бұрын
Bigger flat burrs are better than conical
@quaxenleaf2 жыл бұрын
Have used the Eureka Specialita dedicated to my LMLM. Am very happy with its performance as an espresso grinder and can see no reason to switch.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I think it works fine as either, but not great at switching. It’s best suited to just one brew method.
@quaxenleaf2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus I agree completely. Why Eureka doesn’t make a better adjustment is beyond me. It works fine for dialing around a specific grind, but to switch between espresso and say drip requires the user to keep track of the dial’s revolutions which overly complicates the process. This line of Eureka’s grinders would be better marketed as espresso only. You do a great job with your variety of content. One question: do you still use the Bplus puck screen or have you given up on it? I used it for several months, but have set it aside to have one less step. I loved how it kept the dispersion screen and group head clean, but I’m very conscientious of keeping the LM clean anyway. I think it made the extractions more consistent, but am back trying to use the LM as it was originally designed.
@ash2joker2 жыл бұрын
Nearly 100k subs.. nice.. well deserved for a long time.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Edging closer every day! Thank you my friend!
@gaspercarman91492 жыл бұрын
While I don't know about other regions then Europe however I gave up on ever considering getting a Niche Zero. It's simply not worth it since brexit happened. As far as I understand they would have to do some extra paperwork in order to get rid of it however in short if e. g. I purchase a Niche Zero it costs around 600€ plus shipping which includes 20% UK VAT, after it arrives I'd have to import it meaning it would be an additional 22% VAT plus other expenses, compared to from what I saw this Eureka costing 500€ plus shipping is pretty much a no brainer for me. Then again that would be the case of buying those two in Europe.
@claremactavish85902 жыл бұрын
yup, such a headache, I live in Italy, and I want a good grinder, I would be happy to buy NZ, but it's just so much money spent on taxes... currently looking for something else, but it's just so sad
@datendusche11 ай бұрын
You have to close the metal lid before pushing from the top to get the whole retention out. By doing so, I have always a retetntion that is limited to 0.2 grams. Without the lid closed the air can escape through the lid opening.
@vancitycanucks2 жыл бұрын
I own a Mignon XL. If I was single dosing, I'd still easily, easily choose the Niche. If I was Eureka I would've simply marketed that single dosing isn't the only way to grind or even the best way and battled it out that way.
@haywoodf2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your efforts and for sharing your experience. Have you tried using the bellows with the burs in motion? Is it more consistent with low retention when doing so or is that what you were doing during the test. BTW your ITA pronunciation during this vid was perfect … lol. Belated HNY to you!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Hey you’re welcome, and thanks for watching. Yeah I ran it both ways, I found it inconsistent all the way around, though more grinds came out when grinding coarser, but often it would be the retained grinds from the last batch on top of what I put in. I mean, in the end 0-.5grams isn’t terrible, especially when compared to most grinders before the single dosing era, but compared to the Niche I just falls short. Haha and thank you, I actually double checked the pronunciation before I filmed just to be sure. Thanks again for watching and for great comment.
@classicrockonly2 жыл бұрын
Watching Kyle’s video, I’ve concluded the Mignon single dose falls prey to the same issue as the Notte that I have, as you put it with the inconsistent outputs. I get that with my Notte with a single dose hopper and bellow. The clump guard seems to be the culprit. And, my solution has been to stick a brush up the chute and give a few bumps on the guard and a few puffs from the bellows again. Now I’m consistently having 0.1g or less retention each time
@mspdec2 жыл бұрын
My Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose Grinder was that noisy and vibrated so much I had to send it back to the Dealer after 3 weeks of use. I believe this is a major design flaw in this Grinder and Eureka should have a recall on them and sort this problem out. Also I found the rubber bellows get softer after the 3 week period I had it to a point where it just fell off the plastic hopper when you touched it or removed and refitted the cheaply made wooden lid. Also had a lot of static even though I was advised by the Eureka Dealer not to RDT the beans. Also found the retention quantity very hit and miss like you mentioned. This Grinder definitely doesn't meet the 'Oro' badge.
@Parchment1852 жыл бұрын
I am in the market for a new grinder and was thinking either a Niche, Eureka or Ceado E5SD. Then my favourite coffee content creator suddenly creates a comparison video, what perfect timing! Thanks for your videos, they are really appreciated and I look forward to them every week!
@VoltaDoMar8 ай бұрын
I have one of these. It's great. Granted,t he adjustment dial was pretty confusing to find zero in the first place, but once I got it, it's easy enough to adjust. I only use it for espresso so it's not a big problem. And it grinds beautifully. So far, I get literally zero retention. I thought the bellows wasn't working, but there just weren't any grounds left inside- the output weighs as much as the input.
@normanwolfe7639 Жыл бұрын
Just unboxed my Niche Zero and had our 1st shots. Noticeable difference to my Breville Barista Express grinder!! I did not expect that. Grind Look and coffee taste. In Canada so not cheap. With shipping and customs. I’ve a $1000 CAD. Yikes. I was tempted to get the Niche Duo. But $2000 CAD or there abouts. It is quiet. Looks great. Easy to use. Very sexy But $1000+!!!!!! Ah well. You can’t take it with you. Lol The grinder or the $$😊
@Coffeeluver225 ай бұрын
I had both. Italian made I chose all day. Much easier to clean and taste and dialing in not hard if you used a manual grinder. It’s good you show pour over. Many others can’t seem to get that right or might just try to come across an expert.
@ende4212 жыл бұрын
How's cleaning the Mignon? I love how easy cleaning is with the Niche.
@edwardsean74572 жыл бұрын
Could you clarify your view on the difference between flat and conical burrs. You seem to be giving the exact opposite descriptions here and your earlier video on flats vs. conical. Which do you believe deliver more of the deeper chocolatey notes, and which bring out more of the brighter acidic notes?
@nomadsolos2 жыл бұрын
Thank yo for the review. I am considering the Minon, and have been looking for a Pros/Cons review. I knew that you would deliver. I also agree - I think the bellows is a hideous waste.
@timmarshall48812 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your straightforward reviews. Love and peace. Tim
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim, I appreciate the kind words!
@Masocco2 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! Really nice review.
@carsiotto2 жыл бұрын
Great review!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend. Thanks for watching!
@stuartconnon58572 жыл бұрын
Thank you - this was helpful. Trying to find a home grinder at the moment to replace the wilfa uniform and torn between, niche, eurika and the excessive lagom p64….
@zakac172 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the bellow works better with the motor running.
@frylock7702 жыл бұрын
You didn't compare their retention! I'd really like to see a comparison video of that.
@jules53502 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t even consider the Eureka! Thanks for the review!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Jules! Can I ask why you wouldn’t consider it?
@jules53502 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus I hate the grinds dial. Going from espresso to pour over and landing on the same settings will be a lot more of a chore. Also getting the last of the grinds out of Niche is so simple and the hopper and the blow up system look to be a pain. Now if the Eureka grinder could be used with and without hopper…
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
@@jules5350 I think they claim it can be used without the hopper, they told me it's only about 0.3g retention which WOULD be fine, but in my testing the bellows gets out about 1g on mine. Maybe only half of that is actually exchanged. The Specialita I had with a bellows pumped out a max of 2G so it's worse there, but only about 0.8g was exchanged and I didn't find it really affected much. Grinders without bellows seem to give you a more consistent dose in and out I think, or at least it worked that way with my Specialita.
@LadyTigerLily2 жыл бұрын
I've only had my personal Niche for a short time, but the one we have at work for decaf/one-off espresso has been with us for 2 years now, and it has remained shockingly consistent, even through multiple cleanings and many, many rushes. On Fridays my cafe has open mic night, so it's been important to have a relatively quiet grinder. Before the Niche, we had a Baratza Sette and that thing drove me batshit with how awful sounding it was, never mind how loud.
@GHFrankie2 жыл бұрын
But having flat burrs certainly sets Eureka apart. The reason I never attempted to get a Niche was cause of the conical burrs, it just isn't appealing to someone who already uses manual grinders.
@JohnSmith-gm4fj2 жыл бұрын
Me staring at my $20 amazon "on special" grinder...."don't worry you work just fine, won't be replacing you any time soon".
@cheekster7772 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Of course, thanks for watching my friend!
@jackienaiditch79652 жыл бұрын
I've owned my Niche Zero for about 2 years. I think it's quite astonishing that an inventor like Martin Nicholson saw a need in the coffee market for a single-dose grinder--a need apparently overlooked by almost everyone else. Then he goes on to design and bring to market a game-changing grinder. I'm amazed at how solid and well-built my NZ is. No skimping on any of the materials, as far as I can see. The NZ results in a great espresso. Also, it's very easy to clean and calibrate. I think the high quality of the product justifies the price.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
People criticize the motor power on the niche and mention it's a cheap part but o don't think it's really an issue unless it has reliability issues but in years I haven't heard many complaints about them failing. And if it is a cheap motor the pro of that is the replacement should also be affordable.
@damienhallsworth33142 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you hate the bellows on this grinder. I've been using a rubber baby sputum cup as an improvised bellows to purge my "zero retention" Niche Zero, so I was really jealous of that particular feature until you dunked on it. Thanks for alleviating my FOMO 😂
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I just bang my Niche around and drop the lid down and it tends to kick any grinds out
@jackienaiditch79652 жыл бұрын
I use that same sputum cup to purge my NZ. I think it's a pretty popular hack. I actually prefer using that cup to the look of an attached bellows, which I find quite ugly.
@menelaos951 Жыл бұрын
These reviews are really helpful, it is great to see how the breed is evolving, thank you! The bellows work really really well on my Rancilio MD80... (Repurposed from a cake decorating kit by OXO) By borrowing the NZ ideas, I have significantly reduced retention(20.0gr in and out, day in, day out), vastly improved my workflow and been able to extend the interval between subsquent grinder teardowns for cleaning. As a Maker, I am compelled to improve the equipment I have :) The same cortado glass which serves as a dosing cup also fits on top of the grinder, thus no pop-cornimg issues :) Thanks again for your videos!
@marcuswong17972 жыл бұрын
Anything that cost more than a Niche and has an ugly bellow is not a Niche Killer.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
You can use it with or without the bellow, but like I mentioned it’s not my favorite feature on any grinder haha
@NANA-gy7yx2 жыл бұрын
I have a niche and use a bellow with it
@AlejandroPDX2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your nitpicking points! But the turn dial is a huge one for me. I switch between espresso and pour overs pretty much daily and between 2-3 coffees. The NZ turn dial is lifesaver. It’s a shame it hasn’t been living up to the hype yet in the reviews. Any idea how the eureka compares to the new baratza w+?
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty amazing what Niche Zero has done, being a no name start up, ending up having the quality and popularity it does. Eureka certainly seemed to take its time coming out with a competing product and yet still it seems like they rushed and cut corners where it counts. Niche was built from scratch with the purpose of being a nice quiet, easy to use low retention single dosing grinder, and Eureka basically took parts from their other grinders and made a frankengrinder.
@wesleymatthews63562 жыл бұрын
If you order the mignon from italy directly it is about a 90USD cheaper than the niche and I believe the availability issues are more to do with vendors and not output. I got a Eureka Mignon Specialista bc I do not plan on switching beans or brew methods in between bags so I enjoy the hopper. And I never drink straight espresso so I dont get the benefit of the increased texture from the conical burrs.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
The thing that bugged me most about my Oro SD is that it comes with the bellows, but mine always was clogged up, the bellows didn't work, apparently they may be coming out with a fix for that. It's also a lot louder than the Specialita, which was relatively quiet, I thought higher end Eurekas are generally MORE quiet. Eureka Atom series has a ridiculous 800w motor and it's super quiet. I think if you want a Flat Burr Niche Zero, the Lagom P64 IS that, it's a lot more expensive though. The budget option of course is the P64's knock-off the DF64, which is a great for the price. The Niche in Canada is about the same Price as the Oro SD, I'd take the Niche for sure.
@bogdanadzic9305 Жыл бұрын
Did u compare atom with sd eureka i cant decide which one to get lol
@BensCoffeeRants Жыл бұрын
@@bogdanadzic9305 never had them both at the same time but I remember the taste profile being similar but oro SD is much better for retention. 2nd edition is better than the first but bellows doesn't seem to work.
@techtravelpanda10 ай бұрын
Interesting review! My Eureka Mignon Single Dose is making too much fine particles. Not sure if that is normal but filter coffee grinding is impossible, filter gets clogged in seconds.
@johanrathsman1792 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest thoughts. I have been looking at the Niche from time to time, but to me it is just a bit too expensive. In Europe it is about 150 USD more than the Eureka Single dose.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Of course, thanks for watching. And yeah, that makes complete sense. If it was way more for the Niche where I lived I would’ve gone a different route too.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
Niche might still be worth it, it's expensive in Canada too. Eureka Specialita seems like a better grinder than this from my experience.
@wynparksook52862 жыл бұрын
Agree with your comments in the comparison. I feel I should avoid grinders with bellow system since it can make a mess. Having said that this Eureka doesn’t seem too bad.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I’d say the bellow would work a lot better had it made a better seal. But due to the small open areas on the hopper (where the gate opens and closed) it tends to kick out chaff and some grinds all over.
@sar2001s2 жыл бұрын
Whenever they try to make (niche zero) like grinder it always be higher on price and mostly not friendly in use or hard on clean too Thanks alot for your hard work on your video .. keep it up
@ficokan Жыл бұрын
From my experience, owning both grinders, honestly I can't decide which I like more for espresso. Eureka SD is simply, for me, the best looking SD grinder in the price range, which is subjective of course. On the other hand, NZ is so so so easy to use and I kinda can sometimes feel the physical need to push the switch and listen the grinding. I tried both grinders for V60 but from my taste preference, they are far away in a bad direction when compared with Comandante or other good manual grinders or some other expensive big flat burrs in specialty coffee shops grinders.
@sarianhoufis75392 жыл бұрын
good and honest review, thanks! That Oro is kind of a lie
@plorwax2 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m glad I found this review. I’m looking for an upgrade from my baratza sette 30 because it’s too loud and that decibel reading you had was reaching 90 decibel? My setter 30 is just around 85 decibel using the same app. Very interesting.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
Different phones with different mics will probably affect the results as well, those aren't really so accurate. From what I've heard the Sette is super loud, I haven't heard them in person, but I think the Oro SD is PRETTY Loud, definitely louder than it should be when they claim it's 'quiet'. The Specialita I had was much quieter, Niche Zero also much quieter.
@plorwax2 жыл бұрын
@@BensCoffeeRants You’re right. I definitely want something more quiet. How do you like the niche zero over the specialita? Is it worth the extra money? Specialita is actually more appealing to me than the oro right now unless they fix the vibration and noise issues.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
@@plorwax I think you'll be happy with either. Niche or Specialita. They're both about the same loudness maybe Niche is a bit quieter. Niche is easier to switch between brew methods but both are best performing in espresso range really.
@jamesy25342 жыл бұрын
Did Eureka improve their portafilter holder fork design?
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
No idea, never used the old one
@lgxiii2 жыл бұрын
I love this review. To be a Niche killer, any grinder shall not need the use of a bellow to challenge the Niche. Blowing a grinder to clean it is simply a crutch for a poor design grinder. Nothing else.
@JCleggy2 жыл бұрын
So you’re saying that no flat burr can compete with the Niche
@lgxiii2 жыл бұрын
@@JCleggy Never said that. Any flat burr grinder not needing a crutch to get zéro rétention is a serious competitor. Useless to blow air in the Niche zéro. This makes the Niche so easy to use.
@JCleggy2 жыл бұрын
@@lgxiii There can’t be a flat burr grinder with zero retention
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
@@JCleggy Checkout Option O's grinders, And Kafatek grinders.
@edipisreks55352 жыл бұрын
Your end comments about conical and flat is exactly the same as my opinion: I do Niche for espresso and Ode/SSP for filter. Of course I could do either with either, but as I can, I do.
@erock60402 жыл бұрын
Right on the spot!
@dodo21x559 ай бұрын
Here, in Poland Eureka is minimum $70 cheaper than Niche and it's available locally, Niche needs to be imported.
@squibcakes742 жыл бұрын
I love my niche as much as the next knit picker 😀
@jackdixon17612 жыл бұрын
I'm currently ready to push the button on a grinder upgrade from my Sage/Breville dose control pro. I'm leaning toward the Eureka Mignon Specialita which in the UK is about £400 both the Niche zero and the Mignon single dose are about £500 here in the UK and have quite a wait with them. At present I don't single dose and I'm fairly lazy so don't know if it's something I'd enjoy. In your opinion do you think the Specialita is a solid choice for me and is there an alternative option you'd recommend? Thanks in advance for you input
@bfg_pz22134 ай бұрын
The mignon oro is barely over 500€ where i live
@stephengoldberg76092 жыл бұрын
Im curious why people are hating on the eureka for looking similar. It looks similar to all the other eureka small grinders, just has a gangsta lean.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I’m hating on the look, just seems hard not to point out.
@stephengoldberg76092 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus sorry, totally not an accusation! Great video and appreciate the comparison!!
@mannyr87959 ай бұрын
Your comment on the burr type (conical vs flat) went completely against what I’ve seen on other videos (while latte love, Seattle coffee gear). I’m just getting into espresso and was looking at eureka but it’s almost as if this single dozer for eureka was older, I see the vid is a year old. Any changes in your opinion with some of the newer SD eureka products ? Oro, zero? I would consider the niche but I’m not waiting months for a grinder. WLL has the entire eureka and ceado line in stock now.
@Hammi4Real2 жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't want a grinder accordion playing for you in the morning when brewing?
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, if it actually made accordion sounds I’d be okay with it
@hamiamiam2 жыл бұрын
Time stamps … thank you!
@andema832 жыл бұрын
Here in Germany/the EU, the Eureka is far cheaper, the Niche costs us people from "old Europe" around 800 € including shipment, tax and fees, the Eureka is currently available on a German website for about 600 €. Probably because of the *no-Deal*-Brexit 😉. No wonder the UK didn't want to belong to the EU anymore, they seem to lean more towards the US. But the Niche is definitely not an option for me ☹️.
@omniryx12 жыл бұрын
I have to chuckle at the gyrations people go through to convert a perfectly adequate hopper grinder to a single doser. This may make the owner feel all grown up and sophisticated but it is unnecessary time and expense. I have a Specialita, among several others, feeding a Marzocco GS/3 so this is not my first rodeo. When I grind with the Specialita, I weigh my dose, dump it in the empty hopper and go. This works every bit as well as one or another of the jury rigs that folks hang on their Mignons. Unless your life feels empty and meaningless without a chaff blower, forget the bellows for exactly the reasons stated in this video. There are so many relevant variables involved in making good espresso that it is silly, in my not-terribly-humble opinion, to waste time and money on trivia.
@hgabi002 жыл бұрын
Here in Europe the Eureka is like 150$ cheaper than the Niche.
@samuellacroix13432 жыл бұрын
Hey love the videos! Could you compare the nice to the baratza sette?
@MrBORISOVICH Жыл бұрын
if you know this machine can grind coffee to make turkish or greek coffee? means to grind coffee into the finest powder
@grahamsopp9 ай бұрын
from a purely cosmetic point, the Niche was obviously designed to lean, where as it's equally obvious the Mignon is a vertical machine sitting on a wedge. they didn't even try to hide the join. you could take any other Mignon and stick a lump of wood under the back to achieve the same.
@Gunnl Жыл бұрын
are you using your phone to measure the sound pressure (and if so, expecting a similar result as the advertised value) ?
@Mukawakadoodoo2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been debating between the niche and the baratza Vario w + myself. They’re both the same cost, but I wonder if anyone has anything to say about them. I’m upgrading from the baratza encore
@d.yakitori78262 жыл бұрын
the baratza come all in an ugly looking plastic enclosure. in terms of design, it‘s no question to choose the niche over a baratza. also the baratzas sound cheap and they are nowhere close to zero retention.
@johnl73742 жыл бұрын
I have both, niche is a much better and higher quality grinder. If you do multiple brew methods niche is great (in cup better at espresso).
@Mukawakadoodoo2 жыл бұрын
Alright! The niche it is, then!
@Mukawakadoodoo2 жыл бұрын
@@johnl7374 i do plan on going back and forth between espresso and pour overs, yeah
@Mukawakadoodoo2 жыл бұрын
@@d.yakitori7826 ah gotcha
@itomljenovic872 жыл бұрын
You didn’t experience a lot of fines generating a mud layer on pour-over with Eureka?
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
I've seen someone post that result, mine wasn't so bad, but there's definitely better burr sets for pour over / brew coffee, Eureka burrs generally seem to be more classic espresso oriented. Not high clarity / unimodal style (which isn't always what you want depending on your taste and coffee preferences).
@chadgregory90372 жыл бұрын
how can you hate on a good bellows... it literally makes a good machine better.....
@Popcornbeetle2 жыл бұрын
Great review. No thanks on the bellows and the grind setting pain.
@twotgfltandahalf2 жыл бұрын
I have a Filtro, and it has even smaller adjustments. I really don't see this as an issue. It's literally one turn to go from espresso to filter on it. And with such a small knob, it's easy to do. Previous grinders have had Niche or DF64 style adjustments, so I was a bit worried when I got the Filtro because of all the hubbubb on the internet about it. After a year... it's really not an issue. Not even an issue to *overlook* imo. And you should have seen the adjustments on my Ascaso I had a couple of years ago. Espresso range over three turns. That said, I think this iteration of the Oro is too expensive.
@rxonmymind83625 ай бұрын
"In their marketing Eureka mentions how quiet it is.... I don't know what distance they tested this at" 😂😂😂 Man I lost it. Marketing obviously is down the hall.
@Sprometheus5 ай бұрын
I think 3 or 4 meters is the standard, but who stands that far away? And also they don’t take into account room size or proximity to walls. There’s just too many factors to take those decibel tests all that seriously from any manufacturer
@yousefr4332 жыл бұрын
Have u had a problem with the niche needing calibration after grinding espresso then filter, then going back to espresso range ?
@brindlebeard2 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the adjustment dial on the Mignon. Also, I feel like the bellows is not really creating enough pressure to accomplish anything.
@AdastraRecordings2 жыл бұрын
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg but my money is on the 64mm burr machine bracket really hotting up after the release of the DF64. I'm gonna keep running my Sette 230 and wait to see how this shakes out, but my next upgrade is to a 64mm machine so I can get those SSP burrs, I cannot stand Eureka's adjustment knob, so that's a big fat no on that for me.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it’s smart for manufacturers to make grinders that fit upgraded burr options like SSPs. The option for that will sell far more grinders. If only the Niche made their machine around the available conical sizes from SSP and you’d be off to the races.
@triumphrider93962 жыл бұрын
Those were some extremely brief comments on the quality in the cup, which to me is what gives the SD the advantage. This, of course is subjective based on the desires of the taster. I personally prefer the clarity and complexity of the SD grinds for espresso, especially when using a machine with flow control. Advantage also goes to the SD in speed and noise, imo. Not that it's significantly quieter, but the output is not as clunky sounding and more like a professional grinder in timbre. Lastly, the SD design is much more aesthetically pleasing when sitting on the counter. 😁
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
I think going deep into how things taste is a bit of waste of time, it’s such a preference based thing, like you said. I prefer to focus more on the features, usability and workflow as that those in the market for either grinder will be more curious about and generally have their preferences for burr type. It does have an advantage in speed, but in sound it’s louder than the Niche, and the type of sound isn’t really a factor for me.
@lawrencemaligaya7902 жыл бұрын
Good review and comparison. These premium single dose grinders will need to figure out the single turn grind mechanism if they expect to compete with the Niche. Multiple turns on a small knob has been long overdue for obsolescence.
@triumphrider93962 жыл бұрын
It’s dedicated to spro on my counter with a Sette dedicated to pour over 😜
@Allen-vu8iw2 жыл бұрын
Have you experienced that on the niche zero, when doing pour overs, that you need to dial past the 50 mark? It seems that my pour overs are still a bit slow when grind size is set to 50, thus still requiring a courser grind size. Thanks!!!
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Personally I haven’t, my espresso range tends to be around 15-20, my V60 is 35-40 and my flat bottoms 40-45 and French press from 45+
@LadyTigerLily2 жыл бұрын
@@Sprometheus That's almost exactly where my Niche and the one we use at work falls for the same brew methods, too. I find 45 for a Chemex does us pretty well for the roast level we have, drawing down in ~4.5 minutes.
@roytromb_strength13 күн бұрын
Nah, I don't like that I can't do a hot start on a Niche or a slow feed. Mignon can do those two things easily. I definitely do not like the autostart with the lid. The pro he gave are pretty much my cons haha also, I think the opposite of conic and flat burrs regarding espresso and pour overs haha shows you that there's a ton of subjectivity in this business.
@Andrew-wp1bz2 жыл бұрын
When you did the Eureka retention test was that with RDT or completely dry?
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Dry, in tests like this I’m using it as the manufacturer intended and designed.
@Andrew-wp1bz2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough. I suspect that RDT would lower the inconsistencies in retention, but you’re completely correct in your methodology.
@asselinpowerАй бұрын
Oro or Timemore 78s?
@Kurnazify Жыл бұрын
Niche doing good job paying influencers.
@SpiralOverlord2 жыл бұрын
For stubbornness reason I avoid things made in China. Unfortunately that’s the case for the Niche. I was hoping this grinder would be closer comparatively. The loudness was a deal breaker for me and I ended up getting a Magnifico because all their grinders should soon be able to take a single dose hopper. I’ll take a quiet grinder even if i miss out on a… lean?
@TubeJLF2 жыл бұрын
In the UK the niche isn't much more expensive if you can get one. As I need to switch between cafetierre and espresso. I think the grind dial has written this one off for me. I know the rest of my family isn't going to care to note how many turns or return it to espresso. Shame I had high hopes!
@danielHL8242 жыл бұрын
yes that is because they call the same price regardless of VAT for national and international customers. So non-UK customers pay extra... At least they finally got away from their Kickstarter distribution model which was a big no-no for me. I got another Mignon grinder a year ago and never looked back. In my opinion you don't need the extra 'leaning' feature, my grind retention is also between zero and 0.5 grams, also without using bellows.
@ericanderson17532 жыл бұрын
One Lagom Mini for filter, and one Lagom Mini for espresso. Bob’s your uncle.
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I’ve been hearing a lot about this one recently. Maybe I’ll check it out.
@saleen122 жыл бұрын
I'm getting so annoyed with niche never being available. People in my area are flipping them for 1200, no one wants to wait 4 months to be able to grind coffee
@brindlebeard2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing but it's not that bad. Just go to the site, bite the bullet and pay for it. It will arrive before you know it.
@saleen122 жыл бұрын
@@brindlebeard I might have to, but I'm new to the hobby and I'm about to buy a breville dual boiler, so I'd need a grinder to hold me over for a few months, might just buy a 1zpresso hand grinder, then when the niche gets here I'll have a back up/travel grinder
@user-lv7ph7hs7l2 жыл бұрын
@@saleen12 That's a good solution. I got an electric grinder but I'd like a hand grinder for travel and to have decaf dialed in at home, without having to change settings on the Mignon which is just a pain.
@gordanbabic80282 жыл бұрын
Eureka Mignon design is years old. they just tilted it forward. no design infringements here
@Sprometheus2 жыл бұрын
Like I said not a legal scholar, but you’d be crazy to not see the resemblance.
@triumphrider93962 жыл бұрын
Bigger better burrs and a much larger AC motor seem like major improvements to me.
@lyleallan51242 жыл бұрын
I had the Eureka for month now. I don't know why, but retention seems to have a lot to do with the beans. On some beans, the output is either right on or off by 0.1 grams. Not a big deal. For other beans, the retention could be 0.5grams UNTIL I use the RDT then that seems to bring those beans back in line. I haven't heard a good explanation for this. Ideas anyone? User Error? As far as noise, it is a bit louder than their Specialita, but so much quicker that sort of cancels it out.
@datendusche11 ай бұрын
did you always close the metal slider? When I hit 3-5 times very impulsive, i have a very very consistent output.
@thefosplus2 жыл бұрын
If I'm just rocking a Breville with a built-in grinder, is something like the Niche still worth it?
@normanwolfe7639 Жыл бұрын
Hey. I have been using the Barista Express with grinder for 3 years now. Great easy unit. Just got my dream Niche Zero. 1st shots today. Wow. Just wow. Noticeable difference in grind look and coffee taste. I did not expect that. If paying a LOT for a slightly (significant to me but let’s be real) better shot is worth it for you, then you will see and taste a difference.
@kevinking1391 Жыл бұрын
Where do you buy this grinder? I need and USA seller.
@fxhood21142 жыл бұрын
Hi, thx for the good vid. Got Eureka Specialita und the Niche. Missing taste comparison in your video, knowing that its hard to judge fair and transparent. For normal users I would recommend the Specialita or the upgrade "XL". For experiments the Niche, which works quite well, but may be a bit time costing in home office - when your a for a quick sip.
@homecafecharlie2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I like the look of the Mignon, but already have a DF64 and they seem pretty similar in terms of performance per dollar.
@BensCoffeeRants2 жыл бұрын
Burr quality is very different between the two, DF64 has higher clarity, the Eureka burrs tend to have more blending of flavours and maybe a little more body, which is nice for some types of coffee, like more chocolatey or darker roasts. For lighter fruitier coffees the clarity of the DF64 is superior. Also I believe it's better for filter / brew coffee as well as a result.
@HauntedSheppard2 жыл бұрын
Ignorance is bliss, but sometimes I have the idea that it shouldn't be too hard to create a 'budget' grinder at this pointthat ticks all the boxes. It feels like we're in a place with so mucb knowledge that it's a matter of who's investing to take the crown. Thought mignon would have the infrastructure to do so and crush competition but sadly not true. My brain is grinding for sure