Eureka Mignon Single Dose VS the Niche Zero (Review)

Comparing & Review of Eureka Mignon SINGLE DOSE ORO vs Niche Zero
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0:00 - Intro
3:14 - Standart
4:14 - The Good
9:40 - The Not So Good
14:30 - Compared to Niche Zero
19:47 - Ending

[@KyleRowsell]

Mignon or Niche? Which you picking and why? ps. Love you all and thank you for an incredible 2021.If you want to support the channel further, win giveaways and join the discord - become a Patreon for as low as $1 here: www.patreon.com/kylerowsell

[@frjfsiuojrsdug]

I would have bought the Niche if it hadn't been for the 2 month wait. I didn't want the SDO as It was obvious from that puck thing that the SDO was undercooked. I ended up ordering a Manuelle (not arrived yet) to replace my SGP which can't espresso in any meaningful way. I have started printing mods for single dosing which is all I want to do. I find it interesting that Eureka have announced a Mignon Zero with 55mm burrs and no tilt.

[@AlexCamerony]

I'm still holding out that something new will come along that'll be the right fit for me. Really wish Baratza would throw their hat in the single dose ring. So far, if I really decide to get a new electric it'd likely be a Vario+ or possibly even Forte (if I can afford it) with the understanding I'd put a single dose hopper on it

[@petervansan1054]

@@frjfsiuojrsdug 2 month wait is nothing compared to the paying twice the tax because niche is lazy or scummy

[@dr.angerous]

@@petervansan1054 take eureca

[@pongsing]

Any update?

[@wacha0219]

I love your videos and your cheerful personality Kyle! You're so fair and honest, which make reviews like this video great!

[@elisabethkiesel4567]

Yes Kyle we love you and your reviews! From one Canadian to another. Just recently got myself a Bezzera BZ 10 (I’m a total newbie but jumped right in) and love using the bottomless portafilter. Also uber-researched the Niche 0 and currently waiting for its arrival. After watching this review I’m confident I made the right choice. Best, Elisabeth.

[@KenStocker]

I use a scale and I love you Kyle. Now that we've checked those boxes as requested, this was an enjoyable video. I love my Niche. I've had it for a year and a half and you hit the note -- it just works.

[@lullabynoir]

I love you Kyle. I use a scale every time. I was actually going to get the Oro because the Niche supply was so hard to come by, but finally got an order in before the Oro became available and have been loving the Niche. I’m glad I did, because I think some of those workflow issues with the Oro would’ve driven me nuts, haha. Good work as always, my dude!

[@KyleRowsell]

Much appreciated Chris!

[@annasanabria4653]

I appreciate your reviews, especially now that I find myself in the market for a coffee grinder. You're diction is clear and you are very thorough and fair. Thank you.

[@arianyazdannik968]

Nice review Love you Kyle. Proud of what you've done last year. Can't wait to see more of you in 2022!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian!

[@sherkhanmy]

the review we all hv been waiting. so far the best out there! awesome

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad you think so!

[@morningcoffee1]

Fantastic review, Kyle. I enjoy you videos so much as well as your point of view. So far I've been using the NZ for almost 2 weeks. Love every single aspect about it.

[@aaronabubo]

I love you Kyle. Just subscribed after watching a bunch of your videos over the last couple weeks. Really enjoy your laid back style and knowledgeable videos.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@royfoster5190]

Hey Kyle, keep them coming. I have a NZ and weigh always. Used for both espresso and V60. No issues, love it

[@berndawg84]

Love the videos as always. I do use a scale every time. I ordered a Niche Zero last week. The Eureka ORO single dose was on my short list but after seeing many negative/mixed reviews and posts about it, I removed it as an option. I settled on the Niche, which was one of the other main options I was considering. This video only confirms that I feel I made the right choice. I want something that works well and is consistent and doesn't need a bunch of tinkering to make it work.

[@calebhowell8422]

Amazing video! Glad I waited. Your content is so amazing and useful as I’m diving into this world 😂

[@remingtonpaul5034]

Awesome video, as always. I’m new to home brewing and just received my niche a few days ago. When I saw news of this video coming up, I was about to look into niche’s return policy lol. But having used it for a few days, I couldn’t imagine a better experience. Loving it. Also, ordered it on Dec 4, received it on Jan 14 (black, white’s an extra 30 days) Paid $122 CDN for import taxes etc. Pretty reasonable all around.

[@brianherman503]

Another great video Kyle. Your production quality is fantastic! More people need to discover your content. I'll keep spreading the word in my circles.

[@KyleRowsell]

Oh man, means the world Brian!

[@True60RS]

Love you Kyle! I have a Specialita which I use as a single dose style machine. I also measure my beans before they go in and after they come out. I’m really enjoying your channel!

[@kylim5126]

love you Kyle! Appreciate the honest & smooth review

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate that!

[@peaceful3250]

I use a scale. This video is especially pertinent to me. My Niche has been in daily use for about 20 months and just isn't performing as well as it used to. I've been considering a Eureka Oro for a few weeks and just didn't know if it would be a good choice. Thanks for your honest comparison. It's truly helpful.

[@drakehuckaba4360]

I LOVE YOU KYLE! You really are an amazing youtuber that I've learned a lot from and absolutely can't wait for the df64 video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Drake! Means the world friend

[@pauldevincent7010]

Thanks for the great video. I can’t wait for the comparison of the DF. I had high hopes for that grinder as well.

[@kwikc1756]

So educational...learning lots! Thanks, Kyle!

[@garethgibbings6236]

Appreciate your honesty Kyle “I was cheering for the Mignonette, but…” . I’ve been enjoying your output which has helped me with my purchasing decisions. Interesting to hear you explain the different flavour profile from conical vs flat burrs too.

[@AlejandroPDX]

Man, I’ve been waiting so long for this video and thank you so much!!! So glad I didn’t impulse buy the SD cuz it’s not as impressive anymore after several reviews with similar issues. I absolutely love my niche but now anxiously waiting to see what flat burr grinder to buy this year to first hand experience the conical v flat burr profiles. Glad to know I’m one of your favorites haha!

[@philindeblanc]

What did you go with?

[@danielquevedo9434]

Thanks for the great video. The problems with the de-clumber seem to mirror those of my Mazzer Mini-E. Thus, I won’t replace the Mazzer yet. I do use scales - cheap ones - for weighing beans before grinding and feeding my Flair 58.

[@lumber.jacked1538]

Checked everyday on KZbin anticipating this review and it was well worth it. Thanks Kyle and I also weigh my coffee

[@kellyxiong8476]

"I love you Kyle" lol watched the whole video. I've been waiting for this video and you've helped me determine which one I'm going to get now. Thanks =)

[@AlexCamerony]

Thanks for this video! It answered all my questions about this grinder as I was holding out hope that it would be the single dose grinder for me. It's definitely shown me that my concerns were valid as well as some problems I wasn't aware of but would really bother me especially in a $1K CDN grinder. Thanks again!

[@raevenphillips417]

Really great point - these issues would be highly aggravating in a $500 grinder but unacceptable in a $1k grinder.

[@Ferryberg1]

Just a comment for the algoritm and your awesome vids Kyle!! Love the aproach and donation

[@ericmboll]

Great comparison. Looking for a new grinder and this has been helpful! Also…I love you Kyle! XD

[@kimmooravasaari2947]

Hi Kyle, Thanks for the honest review. I got both grinders. Been working with the Eureka for a few weeks. I do like the coffee it produces. I'm disappointed, my expectations might have been too high. I wanted a flat burr grinder that you don't need to mod.Bellows don't bellow and there is some issues as you named.I prefer the coffee from the Eureka but workflow vise the NZ is a clear winner. And yeah, I use scales. Also heading for something else for a flat burrs.

[@alanjarrar]

Great production and content as always 🔥 love your style, Kyle

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah thanks Alan!

[@KrishSurroy]

Love you Kyle! Just got an oro 2 days ago and am just trying it out....fingers crossed!

[@mithunfan]

Thank you Kyle for the honest review!

[@rkous]

Hey Kyle, thx for this interesting video. I own a Mignon XL and I actually love the timed dosing. I don't switch coffee everyday and I like the convenience of that. For the dialing in, I do use a scale of course. But once I've dialed in the grind setting and the dose, I don't use a scale every time.

[@David-wh7rm]

Great review! I love you Kyle 😉 I think I'm going for the Option-O Lagom Mini for filter coffee. I had high hopes for the Eureka and that it might be a contender but not after seeing your review.

[@noamasherovich1311]

Thanks! I've been single dosing for a long time and am currently looking to purchase a single dose grinder. This video helped, for sure. Oh, and I love you Kyle 😉

[@ThunderRunner]

Really, really loved the chart. Fantastic work. I also really loved the experience with my specialita and miss it some days vs my niche…Have a key coming hopefully sometime this year? I’m hoping for a little more clarity out of it, but we’ll see. Loving the content!

[@KasperMansson]

Thanks for this video Kyle! I'm keeping my Eureka XL. Was contemplating the Single Dose.. But not after seeing the many posts on the FB Group and this video - thanks! I'd also like to try the niche at some point.

[@aarongolob4725]

Thanks for a great review and comparison. You nailed it, I was waiting on the oro (v the Niche) based upon reputation and supply. What you have said about the Niche in your use over time, I am willing to wait for the Niche when I order one.

[@classi-cal]

Love it Kyle! Single doser and weigh every shot. Got a mignon facile and really happy with it for the simplicity and price point. Seems like majorly diminishing returns by doubling the price. Thanks for the review!

[@vettepwr23]

Hi Kyle. Nice video as usual. I knew this video was coming but I was a little hesitant to watch it. I picked up a Niche Zero about five months ago. It’s been good to me so far. I have it paired with a Rancilio Silvia pro X at the moment.

[@AdelAmmari]

Thane man, was waiting for this video from you 😀

[@tristansmith3731]

Great review Kyle, I thought you were fair in your criticisms and expectations of the Oro grinder. I have been using a Niche for the past 7/8 months. All the stuff about the ease of use with the Niche I agree with and it's simplicity is part of the reason why I love it. Also since you asked earlier I always use a scale whenever I brew. Whether it is for espresso, filter coffee, or any other brew method. Keep up the great videos it's always a pleasure to watch! Love ya man

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Tristan! So appreciate the comment

[@tristansmith3731]

@@KyleRowsell you’re welcome!! Keep up the great videos! Everything from the reviews to the brew guides I find immensely helpful!

[@itsjustmax7400]

Love this video! And yes… very much on the scale train with an Ohaus SPX2202 I use throughout the kitchen!

[@Djayjaw]

I love you Kyle! 😁 As always, huge thank you for the great content.

[@KyleRowsell]

You rock!

[@marcMH]

great and honest review video 👍🏼

[@daletidy.]

Excellent comparison! Great video. Can’t wait to receive my Niche!

[@JPSUS]

I love you Kyle! Thanks for the thoughtful review, although I'm glad I bought my Eureka Mignon ORO Single Dose grinder before I watched your video. Don't get me wrong, your review is quite useful. However, I have not had any of the problems with my grinder that you have had with yours I'm pretty sensitive to how motors should and shouldn't sound, and mine is fine. I am impressed with how quiet it is and I absolutely agree with you on how comforting the sound is. Also, it is within a tenth to two tenths of a gram of zero retention. My burrs are aligned out of the box and the coffee tastes great. I have some of the same minor quibbles about details that ultimately don't matter much, but overall I am extremely pleased. For me it has delivered.

[@MarkSouth35]

Great video Kyle and I like you was really hoping this Grinder would at least equal the Niche but clearly does not. I also want to say great honesty too….. Top Man!

[@jonathanshia32]

Thank you for this video and the coffee community definitely loves you! I definitely use a scale because of single dosing. Also was wondering for the DF64, if you plan on utilizing SSP burrs for the comparison?

[@russmiddleton5486]

Loving the love as they say. Nice review, it's interesting that these expensive tools do seem to have some fundamental design flaws. Got a house move to get through first, but after that it'll be coffee time.

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

When I started making coffee I used that classic little grey scale that is sold under different brands, that it seems everyone has at least one of. I had that break on me at some point, and I upgraded to the Timemore Black Mirror. It’s an amazing scale, and I haven’t had any issues! Great video as always kyle. Quality just keeps going up!

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

I drowned my first one when I stupidly walked away from a shot pulling super slow. I figured I got time to quickly get something but when I got back it qas drowning in espresso. Dried it out for three days butnit still didn't work so I smashed it out of anger and got a slightly nicer version at 30 bucks instead of 20....

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

I broke my first one by putting it loose in a bag for travel. I guess it smashed the sensors or something because it always just have an error code after that.

[@viperlt86]

You have the most expressive hand gestures, that somehow remain genuine and not over the top, of anyone I have ever seen. That is all.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks? 😅

[@julianpark93]

Always use a scale. Even if I bought my dream grinder (Atom 75), I’d still use a scale to weigh out my doses. I found the QC on the Single Dose so disappointing and given the Niche has zero literally available (lol), I sprung for a DF64. Thanks and God bless from a Torontonian!

[@jerenlu]

Yes, I weigh my coffee…and water for pour over and French press. Hope to get an espresso machine soon, so I went ahead and hopped on the waiting list for a Niche. I’m eagerly anticipating it’s arrival (hopefully some time February). And yes, I stuck around for the whole video… always enjoy your content. Blessings to you and your family!

[@hernandrew]

I really loved the look of the Mignon and had planned on getting it... but got the Niche and I don't regret it now that more reviews are out. My Niche has been treating me well over the last few months but I do still wish I had that aesthetic of the Mignon with its more box-like shape.

[@richardwieczorek6624]

Awesome as always Kyle.

[@Boyetto-san]

I've been using scales for cooking long before I got into coffee, so it only made sense for me to use scales for brewing as well. Weight measurement is the single most important thing you can do to raise your standard of food and drinks preparation. I'm sorry that I'm not some magical grandma that can seemingly know how much of everything goes using pinches and randomly sized tablespoons, but scales are basically the great equalizer whether in the kitchen or in the cafe.

[@IMNOTABARISTA]

Another great review 🤣 that makes me want to buy more grinders. Thanks for your honesty review ❤️

[@FrogNamedKitty]

I use a scale. I'm brand new to making nice coffee at home. Currently doing v60s and aero press with the fellow Ode grinder. It has made such a huge difference in my every day happiness. It makes me excited to get up in the morning

[@thechientlegiant]

I love you Kyle!

[@andrewcarmeichal3237]

Great vid. Super useful thanks!

[@johanrathsman179]

Great video Kyle! I grind directly into the portafilter, which I have standing on a scale, using my Specialita. And I will hang on to my grinder for now. Very happy with it.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it!

[@f.-l.k.2698]

Thanks a lot for your honest, detailed and therefor very helpful review!

[@KyleRowsell]

My pleasure!

[@gavinBsussex]

I bought a DF64 when it first came out as I could never find the Niche available. However about 6 months ago I finally got the Niche and since then it has fully retired the DF64. I find the ease of use, ease of adjustment and more importantly the taste of expresso with the Niche to be excellent. I really cannot see me needing another grinder now I have the Niche, and nothing about the Oro would compell me to buy one. Thanks for the review though, it was really well done.

[@raevenphillips417]

Really interesting to hear about your experiences with the DF64 and the Niche. Could you please elaborate more on why the Niche retired the DF64? I'm seriously considering a Niche and would love to hear your experiences. I've not been able to find enough info about the difference in the cup. Thanks so much!

[@Rock-Steady1888]

I own the white Niche, and black DF64, with the titanium burr option, with anti popcorn funnel and mythos clump crusher, it's called the Solo in the UK, the Solo has excellent clarity, but i do find certain beans suit the Niche, and others suit the Solo, so best of both worlds imo, and I can't pick a winner, but for ease of use, the Niche is amazing.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I think connicals (or even Eureka mignon grinders like this, which seem conical like to me) might perform best for more chocolately profile coffees and DF64 excels in bringing out the clarity of individual flavours in light roasts (yep even with stock burrs!). Having both is ideal. You're not missing anything by having those two and not a Oro SD :D

[@slvrbach]

Same setup here and I notice the same thing as you. Medium roasts (where I'm making milk drinks) work better with the Niche, whereas light roasts are amazing with the DF64. I use the SSP multipurpose burrset to get that extra clarity. The fruity flavors that come out of my light roasts are absolutely unreal sometimes!

[@Rock-Steady1888]

I've found the Niche seems to really thrive with raspberry notes in a medium roast, the best have been Square Mile washed Ethiopian or Kenyan varieties for me personally, makes a really zingy and tangy shot, which i love, also Sweetshop from them works great in the Niche as well, and this week i've been using my first ever purchase from Rave coffee beans, a Kenyan, and it's amazing in the DF64/Solo, with blackcurrant being the most prominent note i can detect, as a kid in the 80's in the UK Ribena cordial was my favourite, so blackcurrant is always a win in my eyes, can't go wrong with either grinder, now i'm wondering if SSP burrs would be worth the money, as i love the titanium burrs i already have.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@Rock-Steady1888 if you're just doing espresso I think the stock df64 burrs are great you might get a little more clarity and even less body from ssp espresso burrs and then another step further with the multipurpose unimodals. I didn't think the difference was that dramatic for the price unless you're also doing coarser brewing methods. Vs stock burrs I noticed Less bitterness and more clarity even with ssp espresso burrs for aeropress. If you love the clarity though and also have the niche the Unimodals may be worth it for you.

[@Rock-Steady1888]

@@BensCoffeeRants the only reason i changed to the titanium burrs in the first place was they where badly aligned, and ended up a bit damaged, so i managed to get the titanium burrs for it from Bella Barista at a good price, and they fit almost perfectly 1st time, so my espresso range changed massively, went from 5 to almost 0 with the badly aligned burrs, to on average, these days using between setting 15 and 11 for espresso, which i think is what's made the most difference, more so than any titanium, i rarely drink anything other than espresso, i'll have a think over it, and maybe down the line try the SSP burrs, thanks for the advice 👍

[@GrandStudable]

Amazing video kyle!!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Diego!

[@benjaminbutton3476]

I love the niche. Easy to use, easy to clean, low retention, shots are delicious. I’d love to have a flat burr espresso grinder to compare the profile with the niche. I don’t think there’s anything that gives the same quality and user experience in a comparable price point.

[@khalid0790]

You sum it up brother, the niche is great for now…..till ORO 1.5 or 2.0 come out.

[@marcusannegarn8497]

Honestly df64 is great. I have both

[@KyleRowsell]

Niche 2.0 PLEASE. 😇

[@davidflynn2309]

@@marcusannegarn8497 And witch do u prefer ??

[@marcusannegarn8497]

@@davidflynn2309 both are great. The Niche is still the best for most people who just want good coffee as simply as possible for any brew method. The DF64 is still nice to use though and has the flat burr options. I personally really like having both but wouldn't be missing out on anything fundimentally

[@rodmark]

Great video, Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@kkailath]

Love you, Kyle!

[@jesseyallyson4088]

Great video. New to espresso here started with the picopresso and a budget grinder and was getting ok shots. Then upgraded to the Jx-pro and that instantly made a much better shot. I just recently got a gaggia classic pro and have been using that for about 2 weeks with the jx-pro and getting great results. Thinking about in the future getting a better grinder so this video was very interesting.

[@christopherbrennan8308]

Did the same when I picked up my Gaggia Classic Pro last year. Used Kyle’s hand grinder video to help decide, went with the j-max and it’s been great for espresso and has started to become my daily driver over my Baratza Encore for filter coffee and areopress weekend brews.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Keep the jx pro and maybe get a df64 with espresso or unimodal burrs as a high clarity option in the future. I don't think the eureka would be much of an upgrade.

[@scottpilecki8816]

It would be great to see a single dowse shootout in the same (similar) price range. If all or many of the grinders in this range are imperfect then it’s a trade off of what matters to each individual and could be an individual choice. The most important characteristic for me would be how the coffee tastes. I weight my beans every time and am in the market for a grinder around the $800-$1200 mark, Single dosing and the ability to ideally make as good filter coffee as espresso, but less often. I didn’t find that this review left me with a feeling that the Oro or Niche is a better choice.

[@ahmednaim3413]

Awesome work as usual

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@adelalaslawy]

I love you Kyle!! Thanks for the review, I was wondering how it stands against the Niche. But no regrets here since I bought the Eureka. These issues you described are not a concern to me personally, I'm after the flavor. Ps. I do weigh my beans and the extraction. Consistency is important (:

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I do weight out coffee and single dose. I've been doing it since before it was cool. Just seemed logical to me and worked very well with the super low 0.3g retention Varatza Vario! (Low Retention before it was a thing!).

[@ElbertCuenca]

Hey, nice review. I just recently purchased and new grinder and chose the Eureka Mignon over the Niche Zero. I’ve. been using it for a few weeks now and I must say that I’m very happy with it. I agree with your take on the good aspects, but I have not experienced any of the issues you mentioned. I live a tropical country, so I believe the humidity eliminates any issue of static. I have yet to encounter the clogging or retention you mentioned. In fact, since I weigh my coffee before and after grinding, I can validate the “ultra low retention” claim of Eureka, with the grinds weighing a mere .1g lighter than the beans. As for build quality, I am happy in that department too. This machine actually replaces my old workhorse, a circa-2005 Euereka Mignon MCF 220. This machine has no issues whatsoever despite being 17 years old. All I have done for maintenance, aside from cleaning, is simple flat burrs replacement, which are so easily sourced online. It’s a testament to the impeccable build quality of this company that’s been hand- making machines in Florence, Italy since 1920. I chose them over a recently-formed English company that’s been outsourcing their manufacturing in China. Heritage matters to me.

[@Kevin-jv5js]

Scales all the way. Good to see an Irish coffee roast being used, as I'm based in Ireland I'm gonna have to give them a try.

[@jonathans4753]

Hi Kyle,i am part of the nuts case person who weight his coffee. I use a scale. Love the channel thanks

[@user-yz1oq1vm9v]

Dear Kyle thank you for all the great content! I definitely weigh my beans. I am considering Mignon XL coupled to the single hopper / bellows system. Somehow I feel that the XL gives you much more than the Single Dose. I am based in Europe. The retail cost of XL + the aforementioned extras is slightly less (maybe 20euros less) than the Single Dose and 50euros less than the NICHE (VAT, shipping and all). XL has fast, timed grinding ability. Plus service locally in most countries (I consider it a serious Niche limitation). How good are the bellows + hopper combo in giving single dose capability I do not know. But for 750euros what are the better choices out there?

[@crazyascarl]

Thanks Kyle. I fried the motherboard on my Niche (user error) and was dreading having to get a $$ replacement and was exploring options but James at Niche sent me a replacement motherboard so I'm back up and running PHEW. I love the Niche... sure for more money I could get a slightly better cup, but I'm still damn good and the user experience is just soooo easy. I always weigh beans in and coffee out (Bianca). Curious for your 64 review

[@ayoshi1351]

Hi Kyle, I appreciate your visual explanation of using the white board because I never really got what ‘clarity’ meant when spoken by so many coffee experts like yourself. Thank you. Btw, I have a black Niche Zero and I love it.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad that helped 😅

[@SherlockChromesSFY]

I weigh my beans. Thank you so much for the review. I’m gonna wait until Eureka fixes these issues before buying a Oro. And Kyle, you’re my favorite 🤟🏼🖤🤘🏼

[@stevenr5149]

I appreciate the in depth reviews. I was more confident to spend the cash on the Niche after hearing you talk about it. It has upgraded my coffee experience more than I thought. The Niche is really is in a different category of quite. In the next room, I can hear/feel the microwave oven fan louder than the Niche.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad it was helpful!

[@danielsalinas9988]

This was very helpful. One review I’d like to request, and I know it won’t happen for a long time barring something crazy, I’d love to see a review of Weber’s Key Grinder. One day. Not anytime soon, but in the meantime love the videos and can’t wait for the next one. Hello from California

[@kevindoran7007]

Thanks for the video. Great job as always. I do weigh my coffee dose into my niche. Don't bother weighing what comes out as it is low retention and I trust it to be no more than +or- .2g

[@afxaver]

Thanks Kyle, I was waiting for your review for so long. I really appreciate your insights. I canceled my Oro order and ordered a niche. The dial the the little flaws of it just drew me from it. I have a Eureka Perfetto, which did a good job for filter. But since I am now also brewing Espresso it is just a nightmare to dial in. So I am eagerly awaiting my new niche which will arrive in February hopefully. Thanks again for the review.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to help!

[@raevenphillips417]

Thanks for sharing your experience with the Perfetto. I've been wondering if the Perfetto's differently calibrated dial (that should make it easier to switch between brew methods) would mean that dialing in espresso would be more difficult, since you don't have the same ability to fine tune, when compared with Eureka's other type of dial available on their more espresso focused grinders. Sounds that my concerns were valid. So sorry to hear it's been such a pain but it was helpful to hear, as someone researching grinders now (and briefly considering that model).

[@antonreindl703]

@@raevenphillips417 Yes! I had big hopes too. The Perfetto is okay for filter, although its more on the finer side. But switching between Espresso and Filter is not enjoyable. The dial wheel can be turned 360 degrees. So dialing in an espresso is a pain because if you turn just a tiny millimeter its a big change on espresso. And for some beans I needs at least 5-6 shots to get it right because of the retention, occasional clumping (blocked burrs) and too much change due to the dial wheel. What grinder are you going for?

[@DanDelzell]

I'm starting my way down the better coffee journey. Using drip and I'm tired of bad coffee. I've moved to better coffee and water in my drip and it's helped, now I want even better. I'm trying to figure out where to start. I'm learning a lot from your videos!

[@raevenphillips417]

We're also on the road towards better coffee now. I'm not an expert but I've been doing a lot of learning and the thing I've heard most often is that the grinder is the single most important piece of equipment - even more than an espresso machine (if one is going that route). We're looking at getting a grinder that's quite a bit more expensive than what we paid for our espresso machine (granted, we got a crazy, crazy sale over the holidays). From everything I've learned, a good grinder will improve any and every way one brews coffee.

[@DanDelzell]

@@raevenphillips417 Thank you for this. I'm trying to figure out the point of diminishing returns on grinders. I know there is a a big difference at each step $50 to $100 to $200 to $400 to $800. Any idea where you stop seeing a significant improvement?

[@AndyBafa]

Please add Lagom mini too into your coming comparison. It may seems not fair for its price point, but it's a single dose low retention nonethelees. Thanks.

[@raevenphillips417]

Hi Kyle! YES! We weigh beans - kind of obsessively. Once you start weighing, you sort of wonder how you ever ended up with good coffee prior, as even volumetric measuring is so variable. We currently have a (don't laugh) nearly 15 year old Capresso Infinity Steel that only has a timer knob that you turn to grind so you never really new how much you're grinding if you rely on it, even if you could get it on an exact mark. We've been weighing beans and using it as a single doser for a few years now (yes, i literally pick it up and beat the sides every time I grind to try to lower retention - it works, but my hands get really sore!). Looking for a replacement for this grinder is why I've been waiting (im)patiently for this video from you for awhile now. I feel like you do a great job with reviews, very thorough and balanced. We started down the espresso rabbit hole over the holidays when we got a crazy deal on a consumer espresso machine. Even though it's not high end, coffee has been so much better. We've known we needed a grinder upgrade for awhile and the espresso machine just emphasized this. Hoping to find a replacement for our current grinder before it dies. I mean, nearly 15 years with no repairs...can't complain. I honestly thought the Oro SDG would be the one I'd get. Loved that it's from a European company that's 100+ years old with a great track record. I know the DF64 is a decent alternative but I really worry about the build quality, long term, and the ability to get parts to repair at home. This will be, by far, the largest investment we've made in a coffee related purchase and I guess we're spoiled having had the same grinder for so long, but I don't want to spend 6-8x the price of our current grinder only to have it die in a few years and be unable to repair or get parts. I can't get any answers on this question either. I'm leaning towards the Niche at this point. I think we may well like the cup profile of the Niche better anyway and I really like that Martin (of Niche) truly values home repair - and literally doesn't ever want to see a Niche in a landfill. DaveC's initial review of the Niche even covered this, stating how important keeping parts available for the lowest possible price was a high value for the company. And the few problems I've seem reported have all received parts quickly, when needed. Having said all that, I'd LOVE to see your DF64 comparison with the Niche as soon as you're able. I'd also love to hear your thoughts on flat vs conical in terns of flavor. I used to hear that flats emphasized deeper chocolate/nutty notes where conicals brought out sweeter, more rounded and fruity notes. But newer posts and info seems to say the opposite. I don't know it that's because we're now seeing much larger flats that give more clarity now than conicals do. I know taste is subjective but if you can share some of those taste profiles in your upcoming comparison, that would be amazing. :) Now, if you got this far, know that you're my favorite! ;) Yes, I watched every single minute, right down to the end! Thanks again for such a thorough honest review. Seriously, that couldn't have been easy, especially since you like the Eureka brand. It shows real impartiality that you were able to see the flaws in a unit built by a brand who's grinders you've really enjoyed in the past. I have to say, I'm kind of baffled that there are so many reports of the motor struggling seemingly with the 15 degree angle - especially since users have been putting other grinders in the Mignon lineup on a custom 15 degree base for converting to single dosing and I've not seen reports of the struggle and vibration that the Oro SDG is experiencing. I was genuinely sad to hear about the issues. I hope they are able to get them worked out. I also genuinely hope that they revisit their grind adjustment system. It's the largest thing stopping me from getting one of their grinders (even if I converted to single dose). But I need to be able to reliably switch from espresso to various aeropress grinds to French press to cold brew and back again and every Eureka user I've asked has said don't even consider it - it would be a total nightmare. If they could keep the same internal adjustment system and use a large dial like Niche or DF64, that would change a lot! You'd think that they could since they already have at least two differently calibrated systems (the standard ones on their espresso focused grinders like the Silenzio or their "all around" style which is on just a few of their grinders, like the Perfetto). Again, huge thanks for the review! Hope long posts are OK. :) (Remember, now you're REALLY my favorite!)

[@KyleRowsell]

What a comment! WOWZA! Well said! Truly not sure how to respond to this one - but thank you! If you have any questions maybe just bullet point them below?

[@sleepygummy7816]

I like your reviews. They are quite straight to the points. Also, love how you clearly say "I prefer the clarity in Oro's shot because it's the nature of flat burr" instead of saying "Niche is not good because it produces less clarity than flat burr." > (1) less powder in the chamber (2) easier to adjust grind setting You cannot go wrong picking one over another. However, for me, I decided to keep NZ since (1) its workflow is much cleaner >> lower coffee powder scattering, cleaner coffee station. (2) I tend to brew 2 types of coffee (medium and light roast) for latte and americano. >> Less retention.

[@mt16650]

Thank you Kyle for your reviews. I do use a scale for espresso; however I am at a point where I eyeball my pourovers and French Press.

[@ColorsofSoundYouTube]

I got Mignon Specialita a couple of months ago, and I’m so happy that I didn’t wait for Oro. Not that I think that it’s a bad one, but it ironically can’t compete well enough with its predecessor, let alone the other brands.

[@greddoch95]

I came here thinking - well, maybe there's a readily available and equally effective/clean/versatile/compact competitor to the Niche to look into - and you have teased me but thankfully told me the honest truth that I should probably stick with my pursuit of a Niche. And p.s. happy to be a favorite and love you too. Keep bringing that Canadian kindness, it is formidable competition to our southern hospitality in Louisiana 😁.

[@DanielSummr]

Awesome video, thank you for the in-depth review especially for the downsides which swayed me into not purchasing the Oro. Besides the niche and DF64, what would you recommend? I'm was thinking the Perfetto but it doesn't look like it's favoured by many for some reason.

[@bigbuttbigheartbiggerdream4953]

I use a scale 85 ٪ of the time. Love your videos. Thank you.

[@CatalinPrata]

I don't use a scale at the moment but I am planning to do it in the future. :) Great articles by the way, thank you!

[@mimilin8274]

great vid Kyle!! SOOO wanna join the Niche Fam but taking a hit on my Specialita is hard!!

[@EdGodoyPlana]

I love all your reviews and this one is no exception. Excellent! I have a Niche and a DF64 which I upgraded with a SSP high uniformity espresso burrs. For now I intend on keeping both grinders since they complement each other. They both have excellent burrs that enhance different aspect of the coffee. Depending on the type of coffee I am drinking I prefer to use one grinder over the other. I tend to prefer more the traditional full body espresso so I tend to prefer the Niche for my espresso over the DF64 with the SSP high uniformity espresso burrs. The DF64 with the SSP high uniformity espresso burrs do produce more clarity and segregation of flavor. Accordingly, if I am going to grind a fruity coffee I may tend to prefer the DF64 in those instances. I find the Niche extremely easy to use and maintain. I find the DF64 to require more maintenance specifically in the clogging of coffee around the silicone membrane declumper near the chute. If I use dark coffee the clogging becomes more of an issue with the DF64. I don’t find this to be an issue with the Niche at all! I see from your reviews of this grinder that it has a similar clogging issue as the DF64. Every few days ( 7 to 14 days) I use a vacuum cleaner to clean the DF64 of any potential build up of coffee clogging in the silicone membrane declumper. I have actually replaced the original silicone membrane declumper with the newer one used in the DF64 which is thinner but still had clogging issues. I am currently using as a replacement for the silicone membrane declumper a plastic stencil cutout that was designed by CY from Singapore and it has held up pretty well. I still need to periodically (about every week or every other week ) to clean the coffee grind around the chute with a vacuum cleaner . I also use a thin brush that I put up the chute to loosen up the coffee grind that may be clogging near the plastic stencil cutout I am using as a declumper. I then place a vacuum cleaner on the chute leaving the bellow in place and running the grinder to try to clean it as best as I can without actually opining the grinder up which is a pain to do! I am looking forward to seeing your review on the DF64. I will likely eventually upgrade my DF64 but still have not decided which one to get, the Lagom P64, Lagom P100, Webber EG-1 or other??? I think my Niche is not going anywhere! I heard some rumors that Niche is working on a new grinder with larger burrs?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

You are spot on about your observations on the different burr! Just got a Lagom p64 myself, if you want a bigger upgrade the P100 or something similar would probably make more of a difference, the quality of the P64 is a lot nicer than the DF64 (taste wise there may not be a huge jump!) workflow wise the P64 is probably as nice as the Niche Zero (which is a good thing). The Eureka Oro SD has WORSE clogging issues than the DF64 in my experience and I've had 4 DF64's I've used. The only time mine really clogged up was accidentally going waaaay too fine which only happened when I first got it. I don't use really dark coffees though.

[@Imabanana847]

Love you Kyle ☺️

[@sebastiankeiner1955]

Got the XL, shortly before the SD came out. Basically identical except incline&belows - display&timer. Used it first with standard hopper, now as SD with 3d print incline stand & hopper/belows. I think the vibration is worse as SD because of idel noise without beans, it was less with standard hopper (also, the mat from the XL certainley helps isolating vibration) Cup closer to the chute helps with mess/static.