Eurobike 2024: New Classified TRP 16-Speed Wireless Groupset Unveiled!

[@PeakTorque]

As a long term tester of Classified there was one thing letting it down and what it really needed - integration. And here it is.

[@Elbrunosh]

When they say 528%, what does that translate to? It says nothing relevevant for me… Ex. 52 on the front 34 on the back. Is it a 1:1 translation or even better a 0.8 completion?

[@toon2806]

@@Elbrunosh The range would be close to 52/36 if you have a 52 up front. So 34 on the back would almost be 1:1

[@Paksusuoli95]

Assuming they were running an 11-34, the lowest gear should be equivalent to 11*5,28 = 58,08. So in your example 52/58,08 = 0,89.

[@maurobaldini4582]

I don’t get why Shimano doesn’t not refine the Nexus di2 hubs and integrate everything nicely to road cycling

[@billstevenson8142]

@@maurobaldini4582 Agreed. Maybe weight

[@DarenC]

I remember when SRAM was the new groupset upstart, and they've managed to cement their position at the top end. Classified are bringing some fresh ideas, and I hope they gain traction

[@blackjackpinoko]

First, they need a more distinct brand name.

[@MrJob91]

The word quantum means that it transcends into a new level of dentistry required to be able to afford the latest and greatest.

[@Berserker26]

That is brilliant. Good call.

[@jonathanzappala]

🤣

[@gad3]

No AI ? So 2023

[@Southerncyclist]

😂

[@marcdaniels9079]

Deepak Chopra has already bought one - he lives quantum 😅

[@krisqz]

It will also quantum shift your arm and a leg for this.

[@bharbir]

This is refreshing!! I was getting tired of SRAM and shimano going larger cassettes, i.e x10, x11, x12, x13. The Classified approach is so much smarter.

[@blackjackpinoko]

Limit your choice of wheel hubs.

[@TESTA-CC]

This is why I prefer Vintage Road Bikes, I Can Fix it 😁🖖

[@MicroageHD]

Skill issue

[@lukkevin]

I’ve been dreaming for this for a long time now. Hope it’ll be available soon!

[@KidFury27]

I was lucky enough to be at interbike 2009. I knew then after trying Shimano's DI system that it was a game changer. I think this classified system is on the same level. Kudos!!!

[@galenkehler]

Im interested in the TRP parts by themselves, that looks like a nice minigroup

[@5amba]

How big do you want the limit / B screws? TRP: yes!

[@bermchasin]

gottta fit a lot of gears in those limits!

[@ferventheat]

I like the futuristic hand cranked pedals

[@ob3ythee.t.128]

Yeah you gotta basically ride the bicycle upside down, great for arm strength!

[@vongdong10]

It's so futuristic that it's made for when our feet evolve into 2nd hands.

[@dcataj5085]

”The whole joy of cycling is the simplicity of the equipment. I don't need an app, just a spanner.”

[@slowcyclist4324]

That sounds amazingly boring tbh. Might as well just roll a stone down the road and call it a day if you find stupid simple fun

[@kestralrider313]

THis could be our future, especially if Classified later gets the three major brands to integrate these features. I'm still not certain why Classified has not already integrated an ANT+ option where we could use our auxiliary buttons or assign main buttons to accomplish the hub shifting, with the rearranged orders. Also a big deal to be able to use 10T, since I have SRAM on all my bikes, the lack of 10T cog has left me hesitant about purchasing Classified. As soon as they integrate hub shifting into SRAM shifters, I'll be in the market for a classified spare wheelset that is truly swappable with my current SRAM cassette wheelsets.

[@cx123456]

it costs money, that's why

[@stephencurry8552]

Amazing! Thanks for showing new tech.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

Nice looking crankset! Good looking shifters, not too chunky looking. We are on the right path TRP. I don’t know about the lack of a front derailleur, but at least the shifters don’t look like crap likenthe new SRAM Red.

[@redalert2834]

It's like having a 1x gear system with hub gears and a belt drive, but with the inconvenience of an expensive cassette and chain that needs constant replacement.

[@justsomedude7556]

This is pretty cool stuff

[@nursultansaljakbaj9401]

Why?

[@justsomedude7556]

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 I find the technology interesting and one does not have to be a Luddite to enjoy cycling. I am a giant fan of electronic shifting, so if you have a frame that might be older, and you can take advantage of some of this new technology why not. I updated an older frame from mechanical rim to SRAM axs rim and it is fantastic. A lot of people don't like that, but that is the beauty of this sport, each person can do what they want to make their ride enjoyable.

[@funkytransport]

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 watch the video.

[@krollpeter]

What is wrong with a cable? How many need 16 gears? Must we have electronics on a bicycle?

[@kieranbarry8193]

original questions bro

[@francescosaturnino113]

Nobody is forcing you to buy this.

[@АнтонАлексеенко_044]

@@francescosaturnino113 unless you are buying a new bike that is a mid tier or higher speced. Almost everything there is electronic now... So yes, they are forcing you to buy that

[@francescosaturnino113]

@@АнтонАлексеенко_044 I don't know who "they" are, but ok. And if you buy a high tier bike, surely you'd want high tier components on it? And be honest, how many bikes come equipped with a classified hub? It's very niche, so definitely not forced on anybody.

[@АнтонАлексеенко_044]

@@francescosaturnino113 they are the manufacturers, and when it costs 2k+ for a groupset alone it doesn't matter if it has classified label on it or sram/shimano or whatnot. And that is the whole point. Bikes got unreasonably expensive for little to zero benefit to the end user. Don't need another remortgage your house priced "innovation", which effectively acts like a derailleur (which work perfectly fine btw)

[@Excelbrains]

I find it incredible that no one in the comments mentions the fact that the removal of a front derailleur means increased tyre clearance. For my use case, an endurance bike, this would be great. For example the Look 765 (the non gravel version) has official tyre clearance of 34mm, but the frame can accommodate 700c 42mm. Bottleneck is the front derailleur. But it comes down to robustness and affordability, otherwise I’d personally stick with 2x

[@panosgrigoriadis3534]

Based on their documentation they use a 1:0.7 ratio on that rear hub, which then gives them 16 unique speeds as mentioned. Now if they could improve on that, say make it 0.6 ratio, then it could go to 20-speed total, which would be interesting and give them an extra edge over the competition. Or perhaps give the option to the end-user to choose between 0.7 and 0.6 ratio (or any other) Now when I first seen the classified product, I always thought they'd be bought by SRAM (cause of the way they operate, they bought so many other companies like Zipp,Quark,Hammerhead,etc), to integrate it to their groupsets, but it seems they gone with TRP (at least for now)

[@mitchellsteindler]

The issue with that, is then the RD has to compensate even more gears when the classified hub shifts. This will be less smooth. But for the right rider, it would be awesome.

[@hansschotterradler3772]

Interesting groupset. You can simply go with a 12-speed or 13-speed Ekar; or go with a complicated setup for an additional 3 or 4 gears.

[@funkytransport]

tiny range of gears compared...

[@АнтонАлексеенко_044]

@@funkytransport like 15% less? Do you really need anything north of 450-500%? If you have the legs to legit pedal 5+ gear ratio you probably don't need those gears below 1 gear ratio and vice versa, can you push those 5+ gears when you can't pedal up a hill without 0.7 gear ratio?

[@IFrancyISantosI]

All my favorite KZbinrs right now in my country and I didn't knew about it. I would love to go there just to talk to you guys.. I just want selfies, i can't even afford that stuff

[@davidarthur]

I'm here till Friday...

[@IFrancyISantosI]

@@davidarthur frankfurt is some hours away. I would need to free days at work. is there a way to keep track of bike events you visit?

[@markberry5116]

Awesome where can I buy a groupset please

[@raguyver]

I just want that ice cream crank handle, LOL! But, nah, I'll stick with 2x10

[@joshpain349]

Until you don’t.

[@moobaz8675]

This is pretty cool and genuine innovation. Will seriously consider this.

[@craigburrow8403]

I think a more complex gear system that takes some of the switching control from the rider will feel like a compromise system to some users unless the rider has control of when the switches happen. Maybe its a second language thing when he says 'at some time...' and he means as soon as possible I hope so. What happens if it decides to switch and you are out of the seat cranking on a steep slope? Probably ok but I weigh 135Kg and have corresponding output and it would make me sit back down and wait as I would be worried about a pulling my derailleur through my wheel (done this twice) - And so a compromise. These videos are awesome - thanks for going and sharing

[@VMVarga-yf6eg]

What was the weight of the group set and hub and how does it compare to the competitors?

[@SabianDB02]

I'm going crazy processing this. It's might be perfect for gravel

[@joggerino3284]

You can't stop progress.

[@chrisdelaplante5515]

you can't stop bullshito quantum also.

[@davidmurphy9151]

you absolutely can

[@joggerino3284]

Hopefully. Retvrn.

[@sphong0610]

Love the idea, but in terms of future tech, I recently tried a internal hub gearbox(*Shimano 11speed with dropbar di2 shifters) and belt system and am convinced that my next bike will use it. Seriously. Smooth gears with little to no maintenance and efficiency that doesn't suffer at all for nonracing riders are great. They are slightly heavier(1-2%) and the low gear isn't as good as you'd like for climbing but hoping they develop a new/improved version of the current tech(4years old) in a few years.

[@PRH123]

11 speed alfine is nice. But it is a lot heavier than a derailleur system, holding that hub in your hand is like holding a really big rock. Efficiency losses are around 10%. It's not zero maintenance, as you'll discover when it comes time to clean and re-grease. Good luck finding a mechanic who knows how to do it :)

[@kennys1425]

Any idea on the cost/weight of this?

[@Berserker26]

The cost is your left arm.

[@bonperal]

@@Berserker26 Well...I'm right handed so I'm cool with that. ;^)

[@nl3712]

@@Berserker26 that accounts for the total weight saving?

[@edmundhodgson2572]

Sounds great. I'm looking forward to getting rid of the huge comedy cassette from my mountain bike!

[@adderhoney]

This is great! I would love to try this.

[@muratmustafa4532]

Shimano full synchro feature does exactly that but it does it so bad that nobody seems to like to use it.

[@cobrien120]

Do you have any just ride bikes hats?

[@hornet224]

It may have 16-speeds, but you still have to pedal it.

[@ericl6460]

Running it as 2x12 seems like a cool idea. Using it for 16 gears seems a bit pointless and overcomplicated

[@TDIjetta]

The rep talks about this, a 2 x 12 drivetrain is not truly 24 speeds, due to the ratios, there are only truly 14 distinct gears. Whereas, with this hub and the cassette, you are getting 16 distinctive gears.

[@ericl6460]

@@TDIjetta I know, but downshifting the "front" derailleur when it gets really steep is more useful than quickly shifting 6 gears. I know he said you can still use it like that, but it all seems a little excessive

[@br5380]

@@ericl6460 you're not understanding that the rear hub acts like a front mech, so it is 2x already - you could manually 'drop down'. It's basically working like an auto car gearbox works, you've no idea what shafts are working and what cogs it's using but it's going up & down.

[@mitchellsteindler]

It is a 2x...it just does the compensation for you. Other groupsets do this as well, just using standard 2x electronic setup.

[@ericl6460]

@@br5380 I'm aware how it works. Just seems pointless to have 16 sequential gears.

[@paulhiggins9492]

It’s official, it’s gone crazy

[@tonyg3091]

Anything that gives Shimano and SRAM a run for their money is a good thing.

[@JMurph2015]

Feel like Classified demanding their own custom cassettes just kills it for me. If they went to like a 10-44 or 10-50 cassette, they would have one of the largest range drivetrains available.

[@davidarthur]

At the end of the video they showed a version of the freehub that now works with 10t cassettes for this reason

[@JMurph2015]

@@davidarthur but even then, they aren't 10-52T, 10-50T, or even 10-44T

[@nickbu]

Cool tech. Although, until the hub and RD batteries are integrated, I don't see myself consider this at all.

[@davidhunternyc1]

Can we use this set-up on a Brompton?

[@kvloover]

They need to get more presence in the world tour to really start hitting it off I believe Seeing it on pro-riders makes it sell and makes bike brands put it in their offering

[@br5380]

Except 99.99% of us aren't pro's nor ride like pro's. A point he made when speaking about "sport & leisure riders".

[@Andy_ATB]

@@br5380 Agree; when will people realise most cyclists aren't pros, or interested in performance.....How about more simple tech for ordinary/ real cyclists?

[@br5380]

@@Andy_ATB while the Classified is 'complicated', it works simply - a bit like the gearbox in my car

[@SuperAnatolli]

This would have been interesting if it wasn't for the electronics.

[@e3dave744]

Cool idea but I could imagine how complex it is in that hub .

[@orangeorphan]

Yes, but look at how complex an automobile transmission is and they’re pretty damn reliable. If it’s engineered well then it will work.

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

Hub gear exists since 1920. Works fine and nothing complex. Any cheap bike share use it.

[@kieron88ward]

11-28 cassettes, yay, thank you. Starting to think 11-34 had become the minimum now.

[@tonyg3091]

He said 40 tho

[@kieron88ward]

​@@tonyg30913:59 "cassettes are available from 11-28 to 11-40"

[@fabianmolyneux2308]

I sort of get it, but being a mechanically challenged individual I need simplicity. This looks tough to deal with as more parts means more goes wrong

[@yapmadur]

lol what they do is opposite of quantizing (or discretizing) the gear range. they make the spectrum of gears kind of continuous but called it quantum.

[@mitchellsteindler]

Its literally quantized

[@TnFruit]

Sad that you weren't able to shift through the gears to see, how a automatic compensate downshift look like

[@bradsanders6954]

Despite being slammed with endless marketing about having to run a 1x drive train to even be a little bit cool? I LIKE my front derailleur, I like having 2X. It works perfect every time. Keep on trying to sell that 1X though.

[@alistaircook5605]

I think you have it a bit wrong putting campy below the other brands as they now do wireless also

[@alexeydanilchenko434]

They should have made a new body capable to take 9 tooth cassette sprokets to cover wider ranges and smaller front chainrings.

[@tonyg3091]

Ok, can please someone translate what 429% for 11-40 cassette means in terms of low gearing. How low is that?

[@rejeancomeau]

Adds complexity in the rear hub, and would stick out like a sore thumb on your mechanical Caad 12!

[@Toye180]

no one asked

[@croccofanto]

Only works with thrueaxle so no need to worry

[@joshpain349]

Just head the tip for your next build… you will be fine.

[@kieron88ward]

Actually can I just get the TRP group without classified for a 1x group?

[@ianhughes4169]

Yes, Vielo will spec this TRP groupset on their bikes form September delivery

[@stevenchen3173]

Imagine a rear hub malfunction in the tour and people doing Bluetooth pairing during the wheel change

[@davidchivers2762]

At my (old) age and fitness I'm pretty keen on my 34/32 combo for climbing the steep road bits. Can this TRP/Classified system do something similar?

[@funkytransport]

watch the video. he explains all about the ratios.

[@c.d.j300]

What I think will really hold this back is that you cant buy just any wheel with a classified hub on it.

[@brianrosenlof388]

Sign me up. I think this would be really nice.

[@sccxvelo]

When you consider 2x12 setup only 14 to 16 unique gear combo’s dose not matterelectronic or mechanical . There just making it happen in way without changing freehub spacing to work in current frames.

[@stijndeklerk]

Now please make an affordable option.. TRP always had more budget friendly options so why not?

[@TikkanenP]

Really like this!

[@FumblkruschLP]

So basically SRAM Dualdrive.

[@benfinesilver2250]

This is a big reason to buy a new bike for most people. The price will be horrific to begin with though.

[@RonBalone]

Quantum shifting.... PUKE

[@batbawls]

Like it

[@simonlynch4204]

2000$ hubs with a cheap chinese groupset. It's a fun exercise but you'd be mad to go for it... Just get the wheels and slap it on any quality groupset...

[@pierremaggi8661]

So let's be clear, its not a 1x16, it is 2x12...

[@BruceChastain]

I like the innovation, but I don't think this is for me, ever.

[@dennishughes721]

I’ll wait for 50 gear group set with electronic shifting powered by dark energy.

[@richardstephenson5489]

Classified, still a poor solution looking for a problem. Heavy, expensive, overly complicated and proprietary hubs and cassettes. It’s a massive no thanks

[@smithandshortdogs]

*cough* synchroshift *cought*

[@blackjackpinoko]

First, they need a more distinct brand name.

[@superpoopertrooper9884]

When you will do everything to avoid having 2 chainrings.

[@mitchellsteindler]

It is the worst part of any bike. But even this will still be less efficient than proper 2x

[@notpablo8369]

Synchro shift, sequential shift now we have quantum?!!!

[@Natuh21]

In 2007 we had 30 speed now we say 16 is revolution lol 🤪

[@joshpain349]

I don’t think you actually get it..

[@EditioCastigata]

Keep in mind Germany experiences another covid wave right now.

[@DrewKaplan2106]

Good ol Yannick hasn't changed one bit.

[@stephencurry8552]

Campagnolo lesser than the japanese? LOL! Thanks for making me laugh.

[@zenfishbike]

16 speed silliness. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just put a double up front and call it good.

[@pliccut]

Why would you need 16 speeds?

[@jonathanzappala]

Campy fans got their feelings hurt in this comment section. Can’t face that it’s true.

[@gc641]

Too much electronic crap, I’ll stick with mechanical

[@joehiatt1992]

ehhh.. complicating a simple process & added weight

[@spinnetti]

The endless push for more gears is just stupid. Engineering is the mechanical process of solving problems. What problem is this solving?

[@Ferrichrome]

I mean if they never developed new tech we’d still be riding on wooden wheels with fixed gear drivetrains. Not very useful on much of anything. New tech has to come from somewhere, not all of it will be useful to everyone

[@firehazard1792]

couldn't be me, but some of the people having the most fun out there still are on fixed-gear drivedrains

[@Ferrichrome]

@@firehazard1792 sure, but most people use derailleurs, pneumatic tires, tubes, aluminum or carbon frames, I could go on… my point is, new tech is always criticized when it first comes out, but eventually it’s adopted by more people

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

I lived in a very hilly city. I use 3x chainring in my road bike. In other city is flat, I use a single gear. Terrain profile.

[@funkytransport]

luddite.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Oh Jesus... More overpriced things you don't need......😟

[@jklok]

99% of things companies make we don’t need.

[@nursultansaljakbaj9401]

​@@jklok.. so we dont need these companies. To the front with their employees😅😂

[@jklok]

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 that’s up to the free markets to decide.

[@orangeorphan]

I think it’s cool to see new things being developed. Sure it’s not necessary, but bikes aren’t necessary either.

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

I use the same concept in my road bike with sturmey archer cs-rk3. Cheap, reliable, mechanical and very fun.

[@kaczynski2333]

Nothing is quite as annoying as people who use the word "quantum" to make their crap sound clever.

[@Chris._P._Bacon]

Shimano for life.........never with a non-sense ridiculous 1x.

[@joshpain349]

Until Shimano adopt this.

[@chrisko6439]

You will lose at least 2% power through the planetary gears in the hub. Nobody will ride this except e-bike clowns.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Inventing ludicrously complex and expensive solutions to problems that don’t exist! An Arms Race of nonsense is what the bicycle industry has become…. A joke “16 unique gears” & “quantum shifting” my a£&e 😅😅😅😅

[@guywelch656]

Gay

[@niceracleous9999]

Boring

[@SxWerks]

Love the Classified concept. I really hate front derailleurs. How much is the big question?

[@x14x71x]

is it possible to run the TRP shifters and RD without the classified hub system?

[@FZ-TAS]

Campag down there somewhere! Are you F' serious. How bloody ridiculous to say something like that.

[@davidarthur]

I don’t like it either but that’s how it is