Europe is Killing it's own Car Industry | EURO 7

This video is about the planned new Euro 7 emissions standard and why it poses a threat not only to the industry, but also the environment, which it aims to protect
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
00:37 - What is Euro 7
01:25 - New limits
01:39 - RDE - real driving emissions
02:28 - Cold start
03:08 - OBM - onboard monitoring
04:44 - Brakes and tires emissions
05:19 - Timeline
06:05 - Costs
08:04 - Why it may be counterproductive
10:45 - Recent changes

[@seb_1504]

The problems with bureaucrats with no real world experience.

[@MR_THINQ]

I feel sorry for the car manufacturers, this is unachievable and is going to cost them billions with little profit.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

It is, sadly the European Commission is stuffed with bureaucrats with little technical understanding

[@cypher7031]

@@unconventionaleconomicseurope in general has become a pathetic imitation of what it once was. It doesn’t belong to europeans anymore and it’s increasingly displaying suicidal tendencies.

[@nahthravan]

@@unconventionaleconomics and total lack of common sense or budgetting

[@garfieldtait5584]

Keeping an old car on the road is much more environmentally friendly than throwing it away and buying a new one.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

To a degree, very old cars are much more polluting, but for those made in late 2000's and newer this is definitely true

[@garfieldtait5584]

@@unconventionaleconomics Many a study has shown that you can drive a car for something like forty years and it still won't have emitted the same amount of emmissions that it did to produce the thing in the first place.

[@tidysampler585]

I for one will be keeping my 2008 Euro 4 2.2 tdci going for as long as possible! It’s practical, and my choice of car. I will not be obeying the draconian Euro 7 madness 🤣

[@phdonme1]

At least here in the US after 20 years you get to put historic tags on it. You don't have to go through any emissions tests or standards. An insurance is dirt cheap. Also these new cars it looks like they're on the path to non-ownership for the customer.

[@tallandhairy]

@@phdonme1 Where do you think the US got the idea from? Historic car allowances are not unique to the US!!

[@Matt_from_Florida]

To me, *someone who does ALL car maintenance myself;* 2000s cars (and a handful from the LATE 1990s) are the perfect "sweet spot" of modernity with sufficient amenities before overcomplication, expense, and unreliability became the norm.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

The people in car services told me the same thing, cars in the 2010´s became less reliable while most of the repair became too complicated for regular people

[@jakubzgora]

Well done! I am forced to constantly patching-up my my Euro 2 car simply because it's much cheaper than buying newer car in the same class.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

They have already done that here in North America. They want us all to drive Jananiod tin cans or use public transit. I feel for you.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Yeah, the prophets of green paradise know what is best for us right

[@BughunterX]

Public transit, no shit?😉

[@frankmueller4389]

This is what call an objective coverage with logic applied! Wonderful content

[@t2p]

More sensors yay…get the resistor box out …

[@robertfonovic3551]

HI. just watched your presentation and found it both interesting, and informative. well done, subscribed.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Thank you, it means a lot. I'm glad that you enjoyed it

[@felawes]

EU will destry Mercedes and BMW.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Mercedes and BMW might just destroy themselves.

[@dd4886]

All planned i suppose.

[@Tom_Hadler]

The worst thing isn't even the emissions rules, but the tracking and "safety" features. Orwellian stuff. And in the UK, they will still adopt this rubbish, so brexit has bad sides but not many good.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Absolutely, in the long term it is potentially much more dangerous, especially in the hands of overlords of justice

[@karasjosef]

Awesome video's, keep them coming!

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Glad you liked it. New video will drop soon!

[@redpill4431]

If they are so concerned about emissions, then they should worry about the asbestos in the atmosphere that goes arround the globe

[@robertlindsay9826]

What amazes me about Tesla. I think all of their cars are go fast ,gizmos?. Whats this go fast sickness all about ? Where can you use this thing without cop problems? In the desert? Sure build a few for the playboys in Monaco. But most of us just want too go from A too B with no drama. So it makes sense that a normal day too day car won't need huge expensive batteries, and hence more range

[@cosf918]

The after market sector will wright software that can switch all the E7 bs off

[@carlosfurukawa6133]

Politicians are stupid. Air pollution is one thing, but we have other things worse than that.look at airplanes, and airplanes thugs, they have no regulation. Ships. Mining for minerals. Earth pollution, overuse of the land and use of chemicals in the land.. its not only one side of the story. great video!

[@mikemikeson5103]

Nice video🎉👍🏻

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Thank you, hope it was informative :)

[@dagurorarinsson2827]

93 views is almost unfair

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Tough beginnings :) I'll be glad if you share it and spread the message

[@billynomates920]

that's not it's aim, that's it's stated aim. it's real aim is what the tin foilers are telling us.

[@mikemikeson5103]

Easy solution do not buy a euro7 car.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Well but you cannot choose, once its implemented, all new cars will have to abide by the regulation, so not buying a euro7 would mean not buying a new car…ever

[@ghostinthemachine76]

@@unconventionaleconomics Look after your old car.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Yeah no kidding, if it really comes to the ban, the early 30's will probably see a shopping spree for new ICE cars and then a rapid cooldown

[@educationaltvshows9950]

2035 an EV drives 1000km in one go and cost same as ICE. So no need to buy E7 cars. Maybe exept hauling transport: trucks, buses, trains..

[@Matt_from_Florida]

​@@unconventionaleconomics First time I saw someone refer to the 30's and meant *2030s,* not the 1930s!!! (I think I've overstayed my welcome on this planet)

[@jerzyczajaszwajcer]

Its not suicide they want electic cars to rule

[@dimarg00]

This has nothing to do with the environment. It's all because car manufacturers want to keep their high income.. So they have to force people to buy new cars even if there is nothing wrong with the cars they have now. Guess what will happen if every car was reliable and noone had to buy a new one. And yes, Europe can produce reliability but it's not in their benefit. Compared to S. Korea and Japan who have different approach to the buyer. Where they focus on reliability, efficiency and value for money.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

The manufacturers are not behind this, they are the biggest protesters against it. This is coming from the heads of politicians. But you are right that the Japanese and South Koreans are very diligent when it comes to reliability.

[@christophevervecken1370]

Are we sure Euro 7 is better then Euro A3?

[@unconventionaleconomics]

As far as particle emissions go, then yes :)

[@lzh4950]

I still remember back when my country's public buses (Volvo B10M MkIV) 'proudly' displayed a "Euro 1" badge

[@gregoriousgilbert519]

My fazer600 is 26 years young in 2024, so by 2035 she will be 51years.... I will not comply to this crapppppp....

[@gregoriousgilbert519]

26 + 11 years will make my bike 37 years.. So got awile yret.. take it with a grain of salt..

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Yeah, I can imagine that bikers are not happy about the regulation either 😀

[@MR_THINQ]

For info : THE EU ISN’T EUROPE! The EU has only 22 European countries in it, there are over 100 European countries.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Yeah the EU does not include all of Europe, but it has 27 member states (since Britain left) not 22, and the entire Europe does not have over 100 countries but slightly over 40, depending what you count. Based on population, EU contains the majority of European population

[@cliveargyle5237]

Europe has over a hundred countries, please take a look at an atlas.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

So you mean Europe contains half of the entire world ? :D I am talking about countries, not regions or provinces. Sure, Germany for example has 16 so-called Bundesländer, and most other countries are subdivided into regions which have local governments with varying degree of power, but they are still one country with one central government, and that is what we are talking about here.

[@supernanny8375]

@@cliveargyle5237 Learn the difference between state and country. Greetings from Germany

[@dd4886]

Imagine paying almost the full (depreciated) price of an EV in 10 years time to replace just one component aka the battery lol! That is without taking into account the increased tyre and break pad replacement costs due to more frequent wear....

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Yep, and the problem for secondary market is that you have a problem telling how much is the battery damaged, which does not add to trust

[@tmafungo84]

Masochists 😢

[@unconventionaleconomics]

You could say so 😅but masochists like hurting themselves, here the politicians are hurting the population, so it's rather sadistic

[@tmafungo84]

@@unconventionaleconomics More like sado-masochism

[@unconventionaleconomics]

@@tmafungo84 Yeah, that's most accurate

[@paulwatson6013]

Do EVs have to factor in their tyre wear as well. They are generally harder on tyre wear than ICE cars! The aftermarket parts industry will love this. Hang on to old vehicles for longer.

[@davidcolin6519]

No. Europe isn't killing its own car industry. It's own car industry is incapabel of dealing with a disruptive change to its own model, in spite of having had about 10 years to adjust. 10 years ago, the Chinese automi¡otive industry wasn't just a bit of a joke, it was the automotive industry's running joke. And the European car industry was told that it would need to switch away from Internal Combustion Engines. But the European car industry did less than nothing about such a large switchover of motive power. They even ignored Tesla, which was already making inroads into their home markets. 7 years later, we had Tesla with a near complete range of BEVs, the Koreans showing that it was possible to have BEVs working well in a unified ICE/hybrid/BEV platform, the Chinese companies now showing serious improvements and employing industry-standard designers... while the Europeans stood around and fiddled. And now we have European car company leaders making all sorts of BS claims; "We can't make a BEV for less than €40K" (in spite of one of their subsidiaries showing a BEV that could be sold for €20K - the same month that the CEO said it was impossible for less than dounle that!), or that "exceptions need to be made" (German manufacturers) etc.... and China now has a market dominant position on advanced battery tech, their cars are better than all but Tesla (who buy their batteries) and now we're blaming the EU? How could this POSSIBLY be the fault of the European Parliament? This take on the situation is like the US news media blaming the Dems for the fact that the GOP can't hold its own party together long enough to vote for a SPEAKER!

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Wow, thank you for taking the time to write such a long rant. I would just remind that the video was not about electric cars but about Euro 7. When it comes to electric cars, it is not just a problem of Europe, but also North America. As far as I know, the only really successful American EV is Tesla, which is not exactly known for its cheapness, and it is quite a miracle that it survived after being on the brink of bankruptcy a few times. So the question is what does China differently than the West. There is too much to unpack for a comment. I would agree with you that partially it is on the industry, not only the automobile industry but the Western companies in general relied too heavily on cheap emerging markets and now are paying the price, for example with the battery technology. But they also have the advantage of much lower labor cost (yes, much of the European cars and parts are still made in Europe), much cheaper (and dirtier) energy, which is also significant. The European politicians made this even worse through emissions allowances, which is an additional cost. The industry representatives are exaggerating to some degree, it is kind of their job. But saying that they could have almost as cheap EVs as in China in a few years only if they wanted would also be ignoring the circumstances.

[@davidcolin6519]

@@unconventionaleconomics I don't think it was a rant, it waasn't intended to be, just tried to make it informative. I did realise that it wasn't intended to be just about cars, but that is where my interest lies, or rather, the technology involved in making them both longer lasting and with a longer range. I am also interested in urban planning, but there is nothing that I can say that hasn't been said by NotJustBikes.

[@janosnagy3096]

Politicians and unelected EUSSR eurocrats are killing the car industry, but not just that. You say EVs? They aren't preparing for that either - in fact they are SHUTTING DOWN power plants. Electricity production goes down year after year. And with stupid environmental regulations they are also killing every kind of industry, including the construction industry, whilst inviting millions of civilizationally incompatible barbarians into Europe with open arms each year. The point is to impoverish Europeans as much as possible to better control them. They want them to have to depend on the state for everything. Freedom of movement with a car? Forget it! Take the bus! If there is one ... Owning a home ? No chance, even if you inherit one, you'll have to pay such an inheritance tax that you'll have to sell it... but actuaílly we won't let you sell it either, because to sell the house it has to comply with the new environmental norms. And those norms are explicitly written so that very few existing houses comply, so you'll have to spend a fortune on it just to be able to sell it to be able to pay the inheritance tax on it. Or you can just let daddy state take care of things and seize your inherited house. Remember: "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy"... And if you complain, your China-style social credit (which they are starting to implement) will get downgraded or your 'digital Euros' (which they are working on) will get locked. EU is turning into a Chinese style dictatorship. But it's ok if they justify it with "climate change". The 2024 EU elections are possibly the last opportunity to stop this suicidal madness in Europe. As a German opposition leader very wisely said : 'This EU Must Die for the Real Europe to Live'

[@unconventionaleconomics]

By rant I meant that you are clearly passionate when it comes to this issue. You are clearly afraid that complacency of the industry will halt progress and environmental improvement, which is certainly a justified fear, which I share. However, I am also afraid that perhaps well-intentioned regulations will either be counterproductive when it comes to the environment itself, or that it will achieve this goal at a great cost to the standard of living of regular people

[@TheJon2442]

EVs... When recharged by lignite coal, as per in Germany... The politicians think that binning nuclear and adopting part time energy sources are the way to go..... Buy hey EVs are not selling too well now. I wonder why, actually that is not true!

[@geirvinje2556]

Why is it OK to make people sick by poluting? We have electric cars, and the car companies can start to make them. Norway sells 87% EV, and 1/4 of the cars on the road. Norway are on track to only sell electric cars in 2025. Euro 7 will probably not be relevant in Norway. Only motorcycles and truck, maybe. Lots of trucks are already electric... And, gas stations are changing names to energy stations, or are shut down.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

This kind of oversimplified logic is exactly the problem. You use Norway as an example, which is both 1) Among Top 5 richest countries in the world (per capita). 2) One of the few countries where basically all electricity is made from renewable sources (having the longest coastline in the world while having a tiny population makes it much easier with hydropower). So yes, if every country in the world was as rich as Norway, it would be much simpler. But you cannot completely ignore the economic constraint. And replacing ICE's with EV's obviously requires higher consumption of electricity. In countries where the majority of electricity is generated in coal plants (like in Poland), EV's make little difference. The pollution from car exhaust would just be replaced by the pollution from the coal plant chimney. Nobody wants additional pollution from cars, but these huge transitions require time.

[@geirvinje2556]

@@unconventionaleconomics if you convert all the vehicles in Norway to electric you need 5% more electrictrisity. If you compare this to the US, it's the increase of 3 years. Oil subsidies are $7.000.000.000.000. This hide the fact that transporting, pumping, refining, cracking, and recombing oil, waste a lot of energy. Just look at the law of termo dynamics. So, then it's actually better to use a powerplant to convert the raw oil to electrictrisity. It's probably better to use the power you use to refine oil to power electric cars than refining it. And, more and more of the oil industry are using cheap renewable energy, any way. And why not do as Norway? Build renewables, and then if you have oil and gas sell it abroad. You can even make a big fond for the people to enjoy?

[@unconventionaleconomics]

​@@geirvinje2556 I guess you're citing the IMF 7 trillion estimation, but out of it 80% is implicit subsidy, which is kind of a bulls*** way to make it seem more dramatic. I am not advocating oil subsidies by the way. However, even with 100% EV's you still have to retain large share of oil for now, because all plastics are made out of it, as well as synthetic rubber. Factories that require achieving very large temperatures also need to use fossil fuels. Airplanes and large ships are also not viable without it. I am not saying these things cannot change in the future, in fact, I hope the technology will improve soon enough. Even if the efficiency of oil burning power plants would higher than that of the ICE's, having a lot of dirty sources in electricity production would cancel out large amount of the "cleanliness" of the EV's. Apart from that, since EV's are much heavier, they produce more emissions from tyres and brakes. The batteries are made from rare metals, mining of which is also not environmentally friendly. This is not to say that EV's are bad, just that these side effects might not be worth it if your electricity production is mostly coal-based. I hope countries will more to cleaner energy, but for that purpose most countries would have to start/expand nuclear energy while slowly adding wind and solar. For 100% wind/solar there isn't the battery technology (yet) to deal with the huge volatility, and most countries do not have large coastlines like Norway to build incredible amount of hydropower. But the main point of the video is this: Even if countries had 100% clean energy, it will not help if people will not buy the EV's because they cannot afford them. They are still more expensive that ICE cars, the upkeep is more expensive because of the batteries, and there is no used EV's secondary market yet. I am technology optimist and I am quite sure that these things will change in the not so distant future. You just cannot declare something, put in place a new regulation and think that all problems will magically disappear

[@geirvinje2556]

@@unconventionaleconomics We have the raw materials to make plastic. Our oceans are full of plastic we can recycle. And we can use organic oil, to do the rest. If you put up solar panels in the field instead of corn to make the ethanol to put into gas. You can drive an electric car 70 times longer. (100% ethanol). If you use deserts you can grow crops under, for oil. Then you can get the best of bought worlds. Regarding batteries. Cobalt has always been in the news. First not all batteries needs Cobalt, and second, the oil industry uses Cobalt to clean out sulphur. The latter don't recycle it. Yes, electric cars needs to come down in price. When VW now stops selling fossile cars this year in Norway, they are planing to be more aggressive regarding prices. The battery war between the US, and China are ramping up. This is bad in the shout run, but will be the beginning of a price war, that will make electric cars mutch cheaper. The industry has a big problem, regarding electric cars. They have a potential of beeing 1/3 of the price. So, there will be lots of people losing their jobs. Mining: yes, mining is a dirty business. But, because coal mines are closing more and more, there will be an environmental gain.

[@danielkuleshov5876]

process of making ev cars involves polluting air so much , average car cannot pollute in 2mln miles (3.5 mln km)

[@yesyoureright]

In the uk we have NOTHING. beat that.

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Dodged the bullet on this one 😀

[@Mantaracer]

Time to make a complete change to EVs! ⚡

[@BenWharfe-vr1pn]

Go for it🤣🤣

[@unconventionaleconomics]

Time for some rationality to be brought back into EU

[@TheJon2442]

I fully agree, if you only have one car. And only use part time energy sources to recharge. Otherwise you are a worse polluter than those who have a non VW diesel! It's not the pollution it's how it's recorded!!!!!!!!!!!