European and Japanese Armor Mobility (with Metatron)

[@HebaruSan]

US guy as English knight, Italian guy as samurai, now all you need is a Chinese guy dressed as a cowboy to complete the circle. :) Great collab! I find both of your scholarly-yet-hands-on styles a good match. Hope you both gain a bunch of subscribers from the exchange.

[@ElliFong]

Funny as a Chinese from South East Asia, I am fan of medieval knight and Western Cowboy, also plan to get a 1890 victorian/wild west frontier costume

[@ElliFong]

Actually I have a 1270-1300 Knight Templar kits in progress.

[@Condottier]

Or an Indian guy dressed in an Aztec fighting attire so we can keep everything in the same period and make it more international.

[@Megalomaniakaal]

Please, The Chinese guy should try some native American armor... Be it bone breastplate or turtle-shell breastplate and I even seem to recall having seen some pictures of like scale-mail type stuff but made from wood pieces with some added metal work... edit: wait for it to be a full circle shouldn't it be a Japanese guy wearing it?

[@malnutritionboy]

+EricPaz Singapore?

[@Doomin-c2m]

I've never understood the lack of logic of the public representation of armor. If it was so restrcting and difficult to wear knight armor, then they wouldn't have been used in the first place. The fact that they were is proof enough that they were efficient

[@KnyghtErrant]

I think it comes from the willingness of modern people (of any given time period) to falsely assume that they are smarter than the people who came before them. A lot of people are comfortable believing that Medieval people were a bunch of idiots, and wouldn't have known any better than to try and fight in something they believe to be cumbersome, overly heavy, and ineffective.

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

This idea comes from 18-19 centry theater and when theater evolved into cinema this idea sirvived

[@scbwrhcp]

I'm no medieval expert, mostly like medieval styles in games and such (think it's cool and an interesting artistic direction), but I think the opposite; a lot of the inventions seem very genius. Especially if you remember they had to craft these weapons, armor, ammo, siege, tools, etc. without any power tools whatsoever. It's amazing.

[@CzornyLisek]

Belive in clumsiness of "medieval" armor come from very late/post medieval tournament/jousting only armor, that was very thick end restrict movement greatly but also give great protection in jousting. Well You was supposed just to hold a long wooden stick. Another source of belive in clumsiness of those armors come from old fantasy books. Especially "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" by Mark Twain. It's joke, satire, fantasy, sci-fiction book but apparently people in US taken it seriously...

[@ohauss]

Indeed. People tend to forget that for example jousting in the list, neck mobility wasn't needed. You saw where the opponent were coming from, and between neck mobility and avoiding neck trauma, the latter was the preferable alternative. Likewise, if you fell, there'd be squires and pages to help you up. On the battlefield, with some bad luck, there'd by a bunch of angry peasants to hack you to pieces if you don't get up quickly enough.

[@Alf763]

"and today in armoured aerobics class..."

[@barghestblue731]

"join us next time for armored yoga...."

[@KinkyBillyMays]

"And then the week after that for armoured zumba."

[@Tech-Kaplan-Kali]

And in the near future: Gymnastics in full combat kit. Obstacle run with a firefighter equipment. As well as jogging in a radiation-proof suit.

[@samuraijackoff5354]

I’d join

[@TheOhgodineedaname]

No dancing? I mean you guys could've at least included some armored dancing.

[@unnecessaryfairy]

I agree. Terrible oversight. lol.

[@reddokkfheg9443]

I totally agree. More armored dancing

[@KnyghtErrant]

Next time! ;)

[@reddokkfheg9443]

Knyght Errant Looking forward to that :)

[@jacobyin5320]

You should try tap-dancing.

[@RocketHarry865]

the misconception about armour making you too heavy to fight effectively is probably people from the Victorian era confusing jousting tournament armour for battlefield armour

[@muttonchops2232]

Those damn Victorians

[@jonajo9757]

That, and also some rich Victorian fuck thinking that a random preserved suit of late medieval or renaissance armor would fit them when its not tailored to their body.

[@royalecrafts6252]

There were cavalry heavy armor ranging from 30 to 38kg

[@joenuts5167]

@@royalecrafts6252 that’s for Calvary and they weren’t supposed to be fighting off their horse anyways so it’s negligible

[@someonejustsomeone1469]

What if it was a deliberate propaganda to discourage cavalry warfare to promote more infantry with firearms? Makes sense given warfare at the time. After all, cavalry needed extremely heavy bulletproof armour that didn't even cover the whole body.

[@Avatar_of_Apollo]

My fiancee walked by, stopped, and said: "Why are you watching guys in armor stepping up and down on a stool?" Watching articulation, babe.

[@KnyghtErrant]

You know... the important stuff in life.

[@Avatar_of_Apollo]

Have you played any of the total war stuff? I imagine you would probably like it, especially the medieval 1212 warfare mod in Attila.

[@KnyghtErrant]

As much as I am passionate about history, I actually prefer Total War Warhammer, sacrilege, I know... I have played a lot of Medieval II as well.

[@theonlyMoancore]

@@KnyghtErrant For Honor would be a cool game for you to check out, it's a fantasy game based on Knights vs Vikings vs Samurai vs Wu Lin. you could make a video about it! But be warned, it's pretty hard.

[@Atrahasis7]

Late medieval armor is fine and all but I would love to see more vids on dark ages armor, Byzantine etc, its an era that never gets some attention. Great vid guys.

[@Jey096]

well of course it gets nearly no attention. We have very few historical records about them... they were called the dark ages for a reason

[@lughfiregod16]

Mail, helmet, shield. ;)

[@lughfiregod16]

Mail, helmet, shield. ;)

[@smooth_sundaes5172]

Also, the Byzantine army progressed over a period of almost a thousand years from the fall of the western empire and became increasingly a composite of many different peoples and different influences from the Seljuk Turks of Asia to the Varangian Guard. This last were traditionally Vikings but also included a lot of Anglo-Saxons.

[@jacksonkeller4333]

+Jey096 The Roman Empire (Byzantine) left plenty of historical records during the dark ages, including military treatises (and they continued to have sophisticated tactics and strategy). I just want to see more recreations of the armor and weapons they used. . .

[@Tydyd1]

An Italian discussing Japanese armor, and an American discussing English armor- I love different cultures getting together to talk about our similarities. Thanks you guys, this was great!

[@yogibear5995]

Tydyd1 yes I agree with that

[@mikepowell8611]

English history is American history.

[@PaladinPoppie]

Mike Powell Yup right up until 1776. That’s when we get a little “diffrent.”

[@VunderGuy]

"I love different cultures getting together to talk about our similarities.' So you hate diversity with a passion. Good to know.

[@PaladinPoppie]

Found the SJW.

[@CheerfuEntropy]

If seen without context or explanation this is surreal and hilarious.

[@Jossandoval]

I have found that to be true for the vast majority of actions and concepts.

[@lughfiregod16]

It's pretty clear they are testing mobility...

[@WittowBudduh]

It's interesting to see that the mail was one of the most restrictive pieces of the armor, I would not have expected that at all.

[@KnyghtErrant]

It's important to note that it's my mail that was one of the most restrictive pieces, not all mail would do the same. My shirt makes some serious historical compromises when it comes to tailoring when compared to higher end historical examples of mail shirts.

[@darkranger116]

Armor is almost always designed to be an extra layer of skin. It is only when an untrained person starts to wear it that these "it's too heavy" downsides occur. And even then it's relatively simple to train yourself to deal with the extra weight.

[@genericfakename8197]

The weight and heat of body armour can't be totally discounted, there are plenty of modern cases of say soldiers coming back from Iraq with crushed or slipped disks in their backs from carrying all the extra weight of their gear day after day for a long campaign.

[@milanpospisil8024]

@@genericfakename8197That is true for mail as for backpack , but plate sits mostly on your waist.

[@GregYong]

Lol wrong, it's only when you're really trained that the "too heavy" downsides manifest. Or rather if you're facing an equally skilled, or more skilled opponent.

[@JohnSmith-zk8xp]

bullshit, its always a problem. its just that trained people are better able to deal with the problem, until they get tired or until the limits they face is detrimental, with is constantly.

[@royalecrafts6252]

Todays armor is just not armor, is mostly equipment and gear carried on your back, medical supplies, bullets and intel gear, plate armor puts the overall weight all around the body not just the back

[@nope2788]

Toby and Matt, Skall and Lindy, Ian and Raffaello. The season of collaboration has finally come. Armored aerobics in the tune of some epic music...yeah, that's awesome.

[@KnyghtErrant]

We tried not to skimp on the epicness of the music :) Although, I think Metatron won in the music department!

[@frequencydecline5250]

lindy is too ....yeah...i'll just say i'm hoping to never have to see or hear a video with him again.

[@alexandrumoise1511]

why? I'm honestly curious.

[@haillobster7154]

Don't forget Shad.

[@undyingUmbrage]

@@frequencydecline5250 y tho

[@kongoper91]

BUT CAN YOU SQUAT LIKE TRUE SLAV?! Other than that good informational vid :)

[@KnyghtErrant]

Heels down!

[@dropout2804]

Knyght Errant Ye boi

[@thelordchancellor3454]

Сука Blyat Knyght Errant knows of the Slav ways!

[@andoniarmentia1024]

Well, you can western-spy squat

[@notatruck2640]

Heel on ground when slavs around

[@Knightsquire74]

I watched a video that helped debunk the myth of none agility in medieval armour. It compared the full Fire Fighters Rig, Soldiers Rig, and Knights Armour. They did the militaries speed and agility race course. They found out that Medieval armour was more agile in most of the course.

[@gg2fan]

Do you think you could do a video detailing the major functional and thought process differences between different countries' style of armor? I'd love to be able to identify an English vs French suit on sight but I can't seem to find any info about what makes them delineable from one another. I can recognize German gothic and Milanese styles of course, but if you were to show me a drawing of the battle of Agincourt and ask me which side was which I don't think I could if not for the heraldry. What is it that makes your kit English, for example?

[@michaelcurl9200]

For English styles you should go over to Matt Easton's channel, and look up his Tobias Capwell videos. I don't think a good study on French armour has been done yet.

[@TheOhgodineedaname]

What Micheal says here is a good pointer, that said French and English armor changed almost as fast as women's fashion so good luck keeping track of the changes and differences. During the later war of the roses English folks could also be wearing continental style armor.

[@TheOhgodineedaname]

Oh and another thing to keep in mind is that the most well known depictions of the 100 years war were made by Flemish and French manuscript illustrators who tend to depict both sides in anachronistic armor.

[@MrMonkeybat]

Look up the channel Scholargladitoria he has recently done some interviews with an armor historian covering that question if you are really keen buy the interviewee's book. Main differences between French and English armor is English armor is tailored more for fighting on foot. fully enclosed legs and longer folds on the breast plate. But some English armors may be in more continental style and vice versa. With fashions changing rapidly with each decade.

[@rchave]

English style is basically optimised for fighting on foot. Differences get more pronounced with time- Ian's harness wouldn't look too out of place in France. Gradually they got, Longer faulds that cover the groin (no saddle to cover you, or get in the way), Asymmetric arms (smaller than Italian ones to raise arms easier, but still more likely to have the left one forward using a pollaxe) Throughout 15th century they started to develop a distinct style of fluting, not straight diagonals like Gothic harness, but more curving, spiral, or shell-like patterns. Also "half mittens" seem to be an English trend, articulated fingertips with a large lame overlapping for more cover.

[@ThisOldHat]

Interesting that the tailoring of the mail seems to have been your single greatest limiting factor, not the plate components.

[@KnyghtErrant]

It will be interesting to see if the plate becomes the limiting factor once the mail is tailored or replaced :) I will revisit this when I transition to individual tailored mail sleeves to see how much of a change results.

[@ThisOldHat]

I think this experiment shows one reason why plate harnesses slowly dispensed with the full mail shirt during the course of the 15th century (at least in England). It seems like it would have been easier to tailor small segments of mail to cover the gaps, rather than fit an entire shirt/hauberk.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thisold Hatte This extends back into the 14th century as well, mail sleeves and skirts show up in inventories all the way from the beginning of the 1300s. The reason I don't have much choice in the matter is that I don't wear a backplate. When we do see people with solid one-piece uncovered breastplates they usually have a full mail shirt on because matching backplates don't exist yet, and even the forms of rigid back defense you see on some styles of coats of plates don't protect the entire back. It was really more the development of better plate cuirasses and torso protection that allowed them to dispense with full mail shirts as the norm in my opinion. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6bXc6Ctf6iJarM

[@heavyguard6009]

Because of KZbin recommendation, I've gone down a rabbit hole videos about medieval armors and they be cool as fuck

[@secutorprimus]

Even though the Japanese armor seemed to perform marginally better, I'd much rather wear the European armor, both for it SEEMING (keyword: SEEMING) sturdier, and also for it making you look badass.

[@KnyghtErrant]

There's no 'seeming' about it. It's far sturdier. Also consider that the technological level of the medieval armor was at that point 200 years before the Japanese reached the level you see in the video. Around the time of my medieval armor in this video, this is what the Japanese samurai was wearing - www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/23025

[@secutorprimus]

+Knyght Errant Thought so. Europe Ftw!

[@lucanic4328]

Actually during the XV century, samurai armors would have been more like this : www.fujibi.or.jp/assets/images/collection/base/00861.jpg web.prm.ox.ac.uk/weapons/images/stories/samurai_cutout_72dpi.jpg (this is a replica of the edo period, but still do maru style) Oyoroi were replaced during the XIV century by the do maru, but the level you get during the XVI century with the tosei gusoku for me is the same, for both armors, but is just a humble opinion ;) Keep in mind that there are plenty of auxiliary pieces when talking about samurai armor.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Ah dang it, you're right I corrected my link above. I linked to the wrong Japanese armor. I intended to link to this one (www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/23025). Either way, if we look at the flip side of the comparison, Metatron's harness is dated to about the 1580s, this is what was being worn in Europe at that time (www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/22276). The reason we chose armors 200 years apart can be seen in the description.

[@lucanic4328]

Knyght Errant It's true that european armor born basically 100 years before the japanese counterpart; the big evolution in Japan happened during the XVI century with the introduction of the sugake odoshi lacing styles in 1520 and firearms in the 1543. However, they were already in that direction with the creation of tosei gusoku armors during early XVI century, before the meeting with the europeans, where the weight is distributed in the waist like in the european breastplate (like in the mogami dou). Creating armor made of plates was the next logical steps For the description: the okegawa do is a native style developed by japanese people, and is more dated to the 1550 rather than the 1580 (is basically the evolution of the mogami do), also the one you mention in the description is the namban or the hatomune dou which are "based" on european design, but is more japanese then anything else ;) The main real technological advance europe had compared to japan was firearms and better ships at that time;)

[@baronsengir187]

So plate armor for me ^^ I couldnt get my leg higher in the air without armor anyway.

[@gaboderflinger7854]

It feels good that you only need to spend points on strenght and don't worry about agility lol

[@estroll5034]

Nope, it's exercising for you

[@MikeKnell2884]

Awesome video. I'm off to watch Metatron's video. Excellent idea for the video and execution as well. More videos of this kind are definitely needed, not just for armor, but for weapons too.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd love to do more videos like this in the future.

[@Foksuh]

People do indeed have funny ideas of the European style armors. I mean sure, it does restrict movements but far less than people might imagine. Considering the amount of protection a full suit of armor offers, I'd say the slightly restricted mobility is minor trade-off. European armors were incredibly sophisticated and well designed and I'm glad a channel like this exists :p

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thank you! I think a lot of people who don't study European armor tend to write it off as very crude and immobile, which is really a shame. The level of coverage compared to the mobility is quite incredible in European armors, and the truth is by the time of the later Japanese harnesses, they were borrowing design elements from the Europeans. If we had compared 1400 AD Japanese armor it wouldn't even be fair because it was considerably heavier and not shaped well enough to distribute weight like the later examples.

[@danielthompson6207]

Wonderful video! The fact that you both have covered this topic in such detail is greatly appreciated; it's a much needed step towards fact and getting away from the general public's mythical misconceptions about armor

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thanks Daniel! One step at a time! :)

[@danielthompson6207]

Knyght Errant Yes, and after seeing this we can all be assured that the steps won't be too difficult :P

[@4rreste409]

I don't know why it's so funny to see how an armored guy jogging

[@dividednations44]

monty python effect

[@Mtonazzi]

So basically, your mobility's excellent only hindered by the armpit's section of your particular shirt of maille. It's interesting for mine isn't tailored there as well, but since I reenact XIIth Century, the sleeves can go up freely since it's not "trapped" on the arms by plates on the arms and forearms. Perhaps the tailoring there is more akin to that period due need?

[@KnyghtErrant]

It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case. Unfortunately so little mail from before the 14th century survives (and even then most of our extant mail is 15th and 16th century) so it's hard to say for certain, but that definitely makes sense.

[@jancz357]

I think people are also forgeting the most obvious difference, that these armors are 200 years apart, that's very significant and one of the reasons why the fanboyish comparing is ridiculous, you wouldn't compare level IV balistic armor plating with WW1 machineguner protective plating or even further in the past like some napoleonic uniforms or whatever

[@adam-k]

The big change is the introduction and widespread use of firearms. That could penetrate most armors. By the end of the 16th century European armors started to open up giving up protection for mobility. Not unlike the Japanses armors. The modern Japanese armor is essentially a Japanese take on the 16th century European armor.

[@jancz357]

***** it might seem like I am suggesting that there is the same tech. gap but I just meant to stress that there is a big difference, and overall trying to compare the two is basically nonsensical, but that's besides the point and I still think it's an awesome video, but comparing the two just doesn't make much sense, and I am calm I was just stating my opinion calmly, no caps lock :D

[@adam-k]

***** "You ARE suggesting there is a tech gap" The introduction of firearms to the battlefield is a HUGE tech gap. The 14th-15th century plate armor would protect against most weapons of the age with the exception of heavy pole weapons. It would be almost completely impenetrable against ranged missiles. It made no difference how fast you got close to the enemy It made perfect sense to sacrifice some mobility for such defense. However by the end of the 16th century firearms could penetrate all armor at close range and most from a 100 yards. 1 more minute in the killing zone of the firearms could mean the difference between life and death. So armors started to offer more mobility. In fact lots of people abandoned most armor or reduced them to cuirasses This would be a 14th century knight. minimumwagehistorian.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/14th-cen.jpg And this would be a early a mid 17th century www.minecreek.info/military-theory/images/8786_39_102-new-model-army-uniform.jpg Or 16th century French sodlier world4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/arquebusier_renaissance-military.jpg Note the almost complete lack of metal armor on the laters. Of course int he 16th and even the 17th century people wore plate armor. But in general less and less. No point carrying 60 pounds of armor if a bullet kills you just the same.

[@KnyghtErrant]

The primary reason we chose two armors from 200 years apart is because we both had quality harnesses made specifically for us that happened to be from those times. The primary intent here is not to compare Japanese to European directly, but to show that both styles of armor are perfectly mobile from the standpoint of a person who needs to fight in them (it should be obvious that they were mobile enough to fight in since...well... lots of people fought in them... but for some reason the lay public is still skeptical that you could move in armor, especially Medieval European armor). Armor of course needs to fit properly to not artificially limit mobility, so we thought the value of showing two well-fitted armors was greater than trying to match the time periods perfectly while potentially sacrificing good fit. Otherwise you end up seeing people trying to overcome armor that doesn't fit which could have potentially backfired and perpetuated the myths we're trying to address. The second and less direct reason, which is really more coincidence, is that technologically, although separated in time, these two harnesses are probably more evenly comparable than Japanese and European harness both from ca. 1400. The shaping of European armor at that time was vastly superior to the equivalent Japanese harness which in my understanding incorporated very little anatomical shaping and primarily hung from the shoulders. The later Japanese harnesses (like the one in the video) took design elements from European armors to incorporate the load bearing lessons that the Europeans had already figured out. It is essentially Japanese armor with European influence.

[@billykid6745]

Did you know that knights and guns co-existed for 300 years? (Useless information of the day)

[@theonlyMoancore]

*PARRY THIS YOU FUCKIN CASUAL*

[@fabi3790]

300? So long

[@Very_Mean_Soup]

Most of them were literal cannons on sticks

[@platypusbuk]

awesome. i watched the other video first. his explanation for your limited range of motion in the shoulders was because of the Pauldrons, not the Chainmaille's tailoring. your explanation (because you were wearing it) make much more sense. For both, an awesome collaberation and well presented.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thanks man, I appreciate it! I hope to do more collabs like this in the future!

[@NoahBartchlett]

I LOVE IT! I love how this is a simple no bull compair and contrast to inform you, not to tell you which is better. KZbin needs more videos like this!

[@howdidmynamechange945]

Seeing a knight running towards you is fucking terrifying

[@Livinivs]

looks like a sword to the ass is the knights' main weakness

[@KnyghtErrant]

From the _Gesta Henrici Quinti_ (c.1417) recounting an event at Agincourt - _"The brother of the king, the noble Duke Humphrey, was wounded in the groin. Gore flowed down from the sword. The king stood over him to assist him. He was in this battle the defender of his brother."_

[@LaVidaHermosa]

Knyght Errant OH SHIT

[@alexandrosgrivas4406]

that was covered later

[@jonajo9757]

@@alexandrosgrivas4406 Sort of? I wouldn't say it was covered entirely by a plate or extra maille. I'm assuming you meant like, well hidden with stuff like a skirt of maille, longer faulds or something.

[@brianfuller7691]

Protection and Practicality. Armour has to protect the wearer but it's really useless if I cannot fight or move. Articulation is awesome. This is a great channel and also Metatron.

[@phoebesmith3935]

I'm more impressed by the fact you can do a push up in 30 kilo armour

[@brianfuller7691]

Having re-watched this video again , this is still very good. Protection and Practicality are important considerations as...the wearer has to be able to move and fight. Tournament armour was not only heavier than battle armour but agility was sacrificed for safety. A good suit of battle armour would weigh +/- 25 kilos while a good suit of tournament armour would weigh +/- 50 kilos.

[@samiamtheman7379]

8:55 Dark Souls 3

[@samuraijackoff5354]

D E A T H

[@theonlyMoancore]

Me when Anri got clapped

[@remembernavarro5344]

When you use the stretch out gesture to avoid the boss' attacks

[@halflife103]

hmmm so the differences really arent TOO different. I wold say the extra armor is worth the less manuverability

[@camrendavis6650]

Steven Stringer agreed. All the Europeans really had to do in the armor was walk, run, grab, choke, punch or recover. And all that is possible. But I would say Japanese, with their martial arts, little bit more physical and needed more Mobility to fight better. So I would say it's also cultural difference

[@jianhaotoh4010]

Not to mention Geographical conditions amongst other things.

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

@@camrendavis6650 Nah, I practice both HEMA and Kenjuts and there is no much difference on how knights and samurai fight

[@camrendavis6650]

@@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 I'm talking about armored combat.

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

@@camrendavis6650 I know I'm pointing out that there is almost no difference on how a knight and a samurai fight because you stated that samurai needed more mobility for their "martial art"

[@introvertedhatered3414]

I guess one doesn't even need comparison vids to get an idea that dude in late medieval plate armor would be almost invulnerable for samurai unless it's samurai with a gun but samurai armor would be vulnerable since it was created with different threats in mind in different world with different resource limitations.

[@eagle162]

No it wouldn't, first off Japan was not limited in resources during this time, the armor in the videos is not that accurate and doesn't show how protective Samurai armor can get, Samurai also had a number of weapons that could deal with armor. Check out: "Japanese Armor Body Coverage Explained" "Defeating Late Japanese Armor - Tosei Gusoku (当世具足)" on Gunbai. Keep in mind both do not go over everything.

[@johnharvey5412]

In the other video, Rafaello mentions archery as the reason why his armor has more shoulder mobility / less shoulder protection, so I wonder would your armor actually permit you to shoot a bow or is your range of motion too limited?

[@KnyghtErrant]

You could physically do it, but it would definitely not be ideal. You don't really see too many Medieval European archers wearing arm harness until later in the period, and even then it's a very different style of arm harness. The arms I wear are very specific to England and are made to optimize fighting on foot with close weapons.

[@donaldsheckler3636]

Wasn't archery something knights didn't do in warfare? Crossbowmen were often mercs and the English longbow men were yeomen. The Japanese viewed it differently.

[@Daddy53751]

@@donaldsheckler3636 I believe you’re correct. If I remember right, I think archers were to a large degree separate units with specific tasking, as was infantry, cavalry ect. Where it seems Samurai were more “special forces”, for lack of a better term, trained and skilled to be proficient across the board.

[@Dynahazzar3]

Only came here to see the good old comments war in its natural habitat. I am dissapoint.

[@HereticDuo]

Weeeaboooo armour sucks, metal always better.. Happy?

[@marcell7533]

The noise would also be an interesting factor to look at in this comparison.

[@DerakosZrux]

Greetings! Referred to this channel by the Black Falcon School of Arms in Colorado Springs to get an idea of the armor we'll be using! Great stuff!

[@milanpospisil8024]

Why the helmet has beak? Because the wearer needs to have space for beard.

[@iviecarp]

_Huge_ props for saying that the similarities are just as important, if not more, than the differences. It's what I think every time: the fact that across most, if not all, cultures we see similar solutions to similar problems is _far_ more interesting than picking at minor cultural differences, especially when they are explicable by availability of resources or differences in fighting habits.

[@axlefoxe]

most interesting to me is that the mail shirt, not the plate is the heavy and constricting thing, speaking of misconceptions about knights armor. It would seem that as a whole the knights armor protects better without sacrificing mobility save for bits that aren't really needed.

[@ret7army]

thanks for collaborating with Metatron on this, it was interesting to actually see what I'd read and heard about i.e. a knight running, walking, jumping, etc. You didn't get into crawling but I'm sure that would have been no more difficult. I'd done all of the same back in the 80's-90's while in the service wearing my gear including an older style flak jacket so I'm no surprised at the ability to do these things, but it was good to see it as well.

[@mattlilly2303]

Just had a marathon of watching your armour series. Bloody excellent stuff mate. This is what makes KZbin great. Excellent and educational. Gained a new sub.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thanks brother, welcome to the channel!

[@Squirrel4361]

As a note: The movements of your armor can be slightly comical, but displays the weight difference quite well. The "Jump" comes across more as a "hop-thud", as your vertical momentum is rapidly translated to a rapid descent. Also, Metatron's armor allows a more graceful "lay-down", while your armor seems to be a more cumbersome "drop-thud" onto your back. Your armor looks superb in its stylistic cleanliness, as it avoids the ridges and "fluting" of more gothic designs more commonly seen because of their "style". Very nice video indeed. Having just found your videos (and having a quiet life-long love of medieval armor), I find myself pleasantly surprised by your thoroughness and your attention to detail. Thanks!

[@howdidmynamechange945]

What you cant do inside armor: take a piss

[@KnyghtErrant]

I've got a whole video for that! :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/amGzaZWndpWYfsk&

[@KrazyKobold]

I have been following your channel and the Metatron's about as long and THANKYOU for this. So great to watch

[@MrManifolder]

I completely agree about finding the similarities between the arms and armors of different cultures to be more fascinating than the differences. I especially enjoy the comparison of European and Japanese implements of war because of the extreme geographic, cultural, and historical differences between the two, which make the similarities all the more intriguing. Thank you for elevating the cross-cultural conversation onto a soundly supported and level-headed stratum. The Japan/Europe comparison is a field that has been trod upon by many, but few have been well-informed enough to plant any fertile seeds. Hence, the contribution you and Metatron made is much appreciated.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. One of our goals going in was to do this with proper respect to the different cultures and not try to clearly bias ourselves in favor of one or the other which is how I usually observe the 'culture comparison' discussions going; something I find very unfortunate to our understanding of history.

[@Harrowed2TheMind]

Good thing you've added that erratum annotation on the Japanese armor's weight. I was very surprised by the weight of it on my first viewing.

[@memelord2286]

How do you think these amours would hold in a bear attack like the one in the Revenant?

[@vksasdgaming9472]

More or less equally cumbersome. Japanese suit had slight advantage in mobility and European suit appeared more protective.

[@EvilMerlin]

Well done. VERY well done. We need to do a better timeframe comparison, as we really don't see the Okegawa style armours well into the middle of the 16th century.

[@KnyghtErrant]

I don't think 14th v 14th century would be fair to the Japanese :)

[@EvilMerlin]

Knyght Errant Oh hells no. Nor would comparing 1550's European Armours against the same from Japan!

[@makanishu]

no way, DEX vs STR builds irl..

[@Condottier]

I was wondering mostly about the noise, I was watching a video in youtube including a small footage from the people of the Wallace Collection and History Channel documentaries and one thing was the noise the armor (even well made and nice fitting armor) makes when the person moves to much, I was wondering how does that feels from the inside.

[@KnyghtErrant]

It's no louder in the armor than it is outside the armor. The helmet itself doesn't have a lot of rattling moving parts so it's probably actually a little bit quieter inside the helmet than when I have it off since I have padding up against my ears.

[@Condottier]

Knyght Errant Thank you.

[@kingofank]

would've also liked to see a comparison of putting the armors on.

[@MrWeAllAreOne]

Just watched the Metatron's version and out of fairness had to watch yours too. Love both of your channel's.

[@lihisluikku]

also since the person wearing the armor is different, some during some moves certain armour may look more mobile just due to the person being more agile. Like with the kicks, it just seemed like metatron was more flexible, and thus his kick made the samurai armor look better.

[@b19931228]

It would be interesting to see a IOTV with all accessories comparison along side the historical piece.

[@knobknit6543]

Agree. Considering Ian had a military background,it will be pretty interesting.

[@thunderfoot11]

First off, great video, the fact that there are so many folks that still believe in the "stumble bum" knight or the "wildcat samurai" is another reason that Hollyweird needs a good thrashing. I especially appreciate the fact that you mention that your armor lacks proper gusseting, something that most period pieces have (mostly because you paid for your own armor and if you were going to get it, you didn't cheap out, as it were). I think it would have been interesting if you showed range of movement with weapons, both styles wee known to be used with polearms and swords, (standard movements such as the overhand chops and side swings (no fancy Hollyweird spins)) but again, very well done.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thanks. I'm making some big updates to my kit and will revisit a more in depth mobility study including weapons etc. Since I will be focusing only on my armor in that video, I can go a little more in depth, so bare with me for a bit!

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

No swimming test?

[@Miki112xD]

I found Metatron thanks to your recomendation, nice to see you two cooperating :)

[@generalnawaki]

so....we're comparing a partial covering of plate to a full covering of it. i would sacrifice a small amount of mobility for the defense of steel plate.

[@Narwhalr]

I would be interested to learn what types of materials are used in each set of armor

[@KnyghtErrant]

If you're asking about the reproductions we used in the video, mine (the European armor) is made from 1050 spring steel, hardened and tempered; various thicknesses as appropriate to the individual components.

[@Narwhalr]

Cool I guess that I should head over and ask this question of Metatron to receive an answer about Samurai.

[@GodsChosen69]

japanese aermor tends to be laquered leather with iron.

[@Theo1505]

Sweet video. Thanks to both of you for the quality and accuracy.

[@Aadiyat]

How often are you in armour? I'd imagine not very often, while a medieval professional soldier or knight would be training in armour regularly and thus better conditioned to having that extra 60lbs

[@lordicewolfz]

its also distributed throughout the body

[@tasatort9778]

I've already seen Metatron's version and posted this same comment (with minor alterations) on his video.I enjoy it when two or more KNOWLEDGABLE individuals discuss, compare, contrast, argue (as in discuss the pro's and con's of a particular subject, not mindless bickering), or otherwise pool their knowledge. It tends (to my way of thinking) to "shake more fruit out of the tree of knowledge" when two or more people have a discussion than would normally be the case if just one person talks about a particular subject. An analogy could be that of describing a house: lets say that you and your Squire are going to describe a house, you stand facing east while your Squire faces north. You each can only describe what you see so the picture each of you alone describes will be very limited; however take both of your descriptions and the picture becomes much more complete.I apologize for writing you a Novel, I just hope to see more collaborations in the future.

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thank you, and that's exactly what we hoped to accomplish. I know that I could never do Japanese armor the justice that someone like Raff can, and we thought this was a great way to bring that information to the table while being respectful to both areas of knowledge.

[@magicspook]

I've got to say, the medieval thing looks way more intimidating. If I look at agility-walking ( 9:42 ), the left looks way more ominous to me than the right does.

[@magicspook]

movement- walking, I mean.

[@KnyghtErrant]

I can only begin to imagine what that would feel like for someone when that person is carrying a pollaxe and you know that their intent is to do you real physical harm... If you weren't similarly equipped, I imagine it would be pretty terrifying.

[@Jossandoval]

While I agree, I must say that the shiny samurai armor has a not-so-nice mask almost as terrifying for my inner child as a clown mask.

[@camrendavis6650]

Knyght Errant kind of like the lawbringer in For Honor

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

I watched the original Metatron video at some point years ago, but I've never questioned it after seeing people do HEMA in historical armour.

[@tomb66]

I have seen a good amount of discussion on this channel and others that the very high quality reproductions, whether they be good chain shirts with proper expansion joints or well made Albion swords, are more historically accurate. Are we sure that this is the case for the average medieval soldier, or would it just be for the high status people? It seems to me that the same reasons of cost, time, and skill that result in "baggy" chain shirts and dubiously made swords in reproductions would also be present in the historical context. Would the extra time and cost for a properly tailored chain-mail be a significant added cost for the status level of knight that would wear your harness, or would the added cost be fairly small compared to the total cost of the harness (i.e. the fitting and crafting of the plate)? Also what status would someone need to be able to afford tailored chain-mail? I am wondering if the commoner foot soldiers would be stuck with "tailoring" that amounted to "Small, Medium, or Large."

[@KnyghtErrant]

It's important to realize that the 'average' soldier wasn't wearing a plate harness at the turn of the 14th / 15th century. By virtue of wearing that kind of armor at that time, you're already declaring your status as elevated. so it's more likely to see higher end mail on a person wearing this kind of armor. The lower status infantry might *just* have a mail shirt, and it would probably be less tailored than the higher status counterpart. Realistically, they may just have a stout piece of textile armor and a kettle hat. We have a lot of inventories that list prices and things like that, but they are rarely ever detailed enough to tell us if the purchased mail garments are tailored or not. There are enough examples of mail of varying quality to assume that as you go down the social ladder, the mail correspondingly becomes less refined, but exactly how those refinements change at each rung of the ladder is difficult to tell. I hope I haven't lead people to believe that tailored mail is the **only** historically accurate mail, as that is simply not the case. It's that it is more appropriately matched with the rest of my armor than the alternative. Untailored or poorly tailored mail certainly existed, and still exists today in some examples. Another important consideration is that my specific type of arm harness, the English style, with mail worn under it, is less forgiving of poor tailoring because of the demands on the flexibility of the mail when strapped into the plate. The Italians at this time tended to favor a wide upper sleeve of mail that draped *over* the arm harness, which is far more forgiving in the mobility arena, but is not optimized for maximum protection when fighting on foot which was the concern of the English man-at-arms.

[@tomb66]

Thank you very much for your reply. That makes a whole lot more sense. The implications of what was historically accurate occur more on other channels.

[@COSMOKRAT_616]

If it required a crane to mount a horse because the armor was too heavy, you would break the horses back and kill it. Also if you couldn't fight effectively in armor they wouldn't have done it. Whoever propogated these myths obviously didn't use reason or logic.

[@godwarrior3403]

Biggest weakness I noticed is that when you're getting up your bussy is exposed. A step soldier could quickly take advantage.

[@DrelvanianGuardOffic]

It's funny to think about what Metatron has explained in his videos.. the fact that "Katana vs Longsword" doesn't make sense for "Samurai vs Knight". It would be more like "Yumi vs Longsword" or "Tanegashima vs Longsword"

[@NZMateus]

It is so nice to see the channels that I follow working together! One 'like' is not enough!

[@Petr75661]

imagine an usmc drill instructor standing over a medieval knight doing pushups

[@rapzalsos6237]

Knights often presided over their Squires and Trainees. So the comparison is legti.

[@brainplay8060]

Why is there so much cloth hanging off the back of Metatron's Japanese armor? That's a snagging hazard and more importantly didn't exist back then. The hakama were tailored to the legs and narrowed past the knee. The haidate didn't just hang, they had toggles to wrap them around the thigh.

[@shanerooney7288]

0:38 Intro 3:14 Metatron armour overview 4:57 Knyght Errant armour overview 6:21 Mobility demonstration 10:26 Review 15:34 Overall

[@Player_Review]

We're here to answer one question: Who _is_ the deadliest warrior?

[@frenchgalloglass]

the one with the better training and physical condition. Here is your answer :)

[@_j.v.st._7367]

A person with 5.56x45 M855A1 EPR or 6mm A1 EPR Grendel in a DT MDR. Or Steyr ACR, Stoner-Ares ACR. With lvl4 ceramic-kevlar plate armor. Lense thingy at the helmet to look trough a camera at the Rifle to shoot around corners, + a metalstorm grenade launcher or XM25. Back in time, a Knight in high end plate Armor with perfected helmet, breastplate, armpit protection, fully enclosed butt armor, etc. With a Poleaxe, Sword (in Halfsworting grip), and Rondledaggers.

[@Jossandoval]

Who cares? the greatest warrior is useless when compared to the good soldier.

[@_j.v.st._7367]

***** I think we should seperate the times. Thats the reason why i gave two answers.

[@Jossandoval]

Johannes.St \Liandri/ Just in case it wasn't clear, my response was to the original question, ;)

[@ermennda]

I noticed a great difference in the mobility of the ankle, specially when getting up from the ground. Nothing to comment on that?

[@KnyghtErrant]

English style greaves (lower leg armor) is generally cut in a way to permit very good ankle mobility because they were so concerned with optimizing the armor for fighting on foot. On horseback the mobility of the ankle isn't as important. To make up for the gap that this generates, a lot of English armors depict small patches of mail in the gap of the ankle to make it more protected (a detail I have not been able to add to my armor yet).

[@--Paws--]

This is like a character customization preview on a game.

[@pepperheadtoo]

excellent presentation I came over from the Metatron channel especially liked the comparison and the way you worked together on this .. subscribed

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thanks, welcome to the channel!

[@ME-hm7zm]

Ian, when running in your helmet/faceplate, how have you found your "head control" (for lack of a better term)? It's a fairly substantial piece, and you have this snout coming well away from the axis of your neck - what kind of effect has that had on comfort, vision, and the thing generally staying put?

[@KnyghtErrant]

It stays put pretty well because it's fitted pretty well to my head, but what would start to suck is the limited airflow. I'm fairly conditioned to running normally, but trying to suck air through those breathing holes would be pretty challenging if you tried to keep it up for a serious distance. The weight of the helmet isn't so bad if you maintain good posture with your neck, but if you start to let your neck slope forward as a lot of modern people do it's going to become uncomfortable. The vision is limited down by your feet (especially in that visor, my other visor has the 'mouth' that gives you a little more vision down below but not much), you need to consciously scan down by your feet because you can't see well enough by maintaining your vision straight ahead like you typically would when you run unencumbered. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that running in armor is 'easy,' it's not, it's significantly harder and more fatiguing than running in athletic clothes. I run 3 or 4 times a week normally, if I tried to do one of my normal runs in harness I'd quickly overheat, feel like I was unable to catch my breath and get exhausted fast if I tried to maintain an actual running pace. Even with the visor off, able to breathe unobstructed, it would still be an incredible challenge to do much more than short distances. I don't think people in period were sprinting hundreds of yards before trying to engage with the enemy if they wanted to have any energy by the time they got to the opposing line.

[@jacobe1942]

I think something very important has been missed in many of these comparisons. Namely the range of vision and sensory perception. How well can one hear in a knights helm? does it echo the breath kind of keeping you in a bubble? easier to sneak up on?

[@KnyghtErrant]

The visor is removable, and often depicted worn up or completely removed when fighting got close in, so the choice was left to the individual. The options are there. With the visor down, breathing does become restricted. As far as sneaking goes, I don't really see that as a concern in battle. Armor like this was purpose built for warfare, and you were never alone. A fully enclosed helmet was not something you just hung out in, it was put on because you anticipated needing it. You'd be in a large formation composed of lines of similarly equipped men-at-arms. You might have less-equipped soldiers standing guard in a camp scenario, but they wouldn't be in full knightly kit.

[@dra6o0n]

Public skeptical of mobile armored troops is mainly because they themselves aren't likely trained to wear 30-50lb of armor on them day in and day out.

[@ianlandry72]

I look away for 2 seconds and you guys are both rolling on the ground with no context Haha. It was quite hilarious but this comparison is awesome and it goes to show how easy it is to move in armor.

[@13aceofspades13]

this was cool seeing the movements of the two different armors being performed! i really enjoyed that a lot, not trying to be pressing as this was quite interesting, but it would be interesting if you both cut targets with a sword in your armors to see not only how it looks using weapons in armor, but also to demonstrate the different techniques the cultures may have used! this clearly shows that even the full plate armor is quite mobile even with the added weight, as you and many others who have actually warn have explained to me. The only people who have ever said that a Knight in full plate is too slow and clumsy to be a danger are people who have never warn steel plate and were admittedly "fan boys." to the Japanese culture, and as you and Metatron have clearly explained as have others like ThegnThrand... thanks for the video!

[@ryvrdrgn15]

Is it not practical to recreate medieval armor with a kevlar gambeson with bullet-proof plates?

[@KnyghtErrant]

bullet proof plates are usually made from ceramic, and are not designed to be shot more than once or a few times. Per unit area, they're also heavier than actual plate armor, so I don't think it would be very practical.

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

ryvrdrgn15 Funny fact: Kevlar has a expiration date. Most bullet-proof vests only last for a good 5 years before the fiber starts to separate. This only gets worse in hot environments. So a suit of kevlar armor sounds like a pretty bad plan. No offence ment ^^

[@LorenceFillers]

ryvrdrgn15 AND BTW, nothing is "bullet proof" only bullet resistant. Stop saying Bullet proof, it's annoying

[@RandomAllen]

Potentially you could create bullet proof platemail but the amount of steel required for the armor would have to require a mobile powersource attached other than just the strength of the human body to use effectively. Literally a powered exo-skeleton... which surprisingly the Military is working on. Humans can only realistically carry so much hence why actual heavy armor fell out of favor because you can't put a bigger engine on a human body. Modern day bullet proof vests are closer to Bullet resistant vest, more equivalent to mail of the time, they can stop the penetration but not necessarily the generated force of the bullet.

[@VunderGuy]

@Redman A PLATE ARMOR. NOT PLATEMAIL. PLATEMAIL ISN'T A THING!

[@phoenix7997]

At the 8 min mark. The technical term is 'Captain Morganing'.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Is that type of armor one could have expected at say Agincourt?

[@KnyghtErrant]

Yes, still very much in use, but also not the most up-to-date or cutting edge armor for 1415. The most advanced armors of 1415 would have had a full cuirass with backplates, an extended full-wrap fauld, and a great bascinet, with some other minor differences here and there.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

I read a book by Bernard Cornwell called 'Agincourt' (check it out, great read!) where it describes Milanese plate as being able to resist most shots from the English longbow. How would that be possible? Especially with the effectiveness of a bodkin head?

[@KnyghtErrant]

Hardened steel armors were, by most of the evidence available, and in the opinions of many academics to be virtually proof against arrow shot barring defects in the armor itself (at least in the most vital areas). Of course, not all armors are created equal and quality ranges pretty dramatically from fancy new Milanese harnesses to munitions grade armors worn by the least wealthy men-at-arms. Armors were being sold and marketed as as '"epreuve" and "demi-epreuve" against arrow shot as early as the late 14th century. Bodkin points are great at penetrating mail though, and when you're talking about 3,000 massed archers those arrows are inevitably going to find the places that are thinnest or the gaps only protected by mail in those Milanese harnesses. If an arrow were to gain purchase on the armor (which is very hard to do because of the compound curvature), it has an increased chance of penetration. So if it catches a breath on a visor just right or the eye slit in a visor, it may go through. But if we're talking about an arrow hitting a hardened steel breastplate or helmet where it's thick, that arrow will most likely not do much to high-quality hardened armors.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Cool! Thanks! Don't forget to check out 'Agincourt!'

[@darkestkhan]

This of course of assumes that what kills a knight in armor is arrow... but what happens with these arrows is that they kill horses and horses in turn kill knights.

[@crwydryny]

I think the major deciding factor in terms of mobility, especially in a combat situation between the two armours is probably the weight. fighting and running while carrying the extra 30lb of the european armour will sap your strength much quicker than the japanese armour. but that said the extra protection of the european armour provides may be a fair trade off and even up the survivability of the two on the battlefield. (this is assuming the skill level and fitness of the individuals are identical)

[@blunthonesty8633]

I first saw Metatron's video but thought I'd swing by and drop a like. Great comparison. I still am unsure wether I would be able to wear European armour. The helmet in particular I doubt I could wear due to how it is so closed in. Funny how I have a strong English background yet prefer Japanese armour. But you did dispel several misconceptions I believed about European armour so thanks!

[@jacobkeary6740]

I suspect also mobility as a whold would be better with a german gothic harness which in my opinion seems to be the pinnacle of armor mobility to protection ratio

[@SSVjoker]

you'd think that those armors would be better optimized for kneeling, specially for the European one, since knights had to kneel a lot if a high nobel or a king was around

[@ianmiller4195]

The japanese arm harness is made to be able to use a bow therefore it has more mobility and less protection. The European version views protection as more important.

[@Tolboy46]

Ian, I just wanted to say I enjoy your videos immensely. Keep up the great work!

[@KnyghtErrant]

Thank you sir, I appreciate it!

[@Boleniana]

6:50 they have better range of motion, in a full set of armour, than I do with nothing restricting my upper body, since my shoulder's been acting up

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

Thank you for this demonstration! Quite historically accurate.

[@unnecessaryfairy]

Ned Kelly's armour weighed around 45kg (around 100 lbs); although some sources weigh the armour differently, there were a total of 4 different suits. It was improvised armour, made from reforged plough shares and designed to be bullet proof. I knew that Kelly's armour was very restrictive and it did not allow for anywhere near the mobility of either reproduction but the weight comparison is still very interesting. :) Great video! Thanks! :D

[@elgostine]

if i have heard correctly the reason it lacked leg protection is that the kelly gang intended on shooting down at people from a cliff, as such, people shooting back up at them wouldnt be able to see, much less hit their legs the body armour intended on making it hard for the police to sccessfully return fire

[@mattlilly2303]

+elgostine that is a possible intended use. No one knows for sure. It could also be a case of over analysing what probably wasn't meant to be. Although they did try and protect the family jewels with a plate of steel.

[@elgostine]

Matt Lilly actually, we do know... the armour was donned in anticipation of a planned derailment of a train and then to gun down thje policemen from the cliff tioop, it failed because their prisoner escaped anf flagged down the train, the policemen got out, and attacked neds hut, leading to his final sho9wdown hence why he was armoured

[@agustinussantoso4577]

wow that interesting, I tought that eropean full armor very heavy, but I am wrong, that the weight similar with japan full armor.

[@Sadeyr]

Was the back just protected by the mail/gambeson? I know that is still plenty of protection against slashes and most stabs, but wouldn't that leave you pretty open to anything that can pierce the mail? Dagger to the back at the right place, probably a rondel-styled one, or an arrow or something along those lines? Just wondering the protection of the back in this type of armor.

[@KnyghtErrant]

When solid one-piece breastplates first came about in the latter parts of the 14th century, a common way they're depicted is the I'm wearing it in the video with no backplate and just a mail shirt protecting the back. Solid backplates didn't really become common until the turn of the 14th (often in a multi-part construction in their earliest forms) and into the 15th century. An alternative to the breastplate would have been a late 14th century coat of plates, which often included some rigid back defense. In most situations, an opponent wouldn't really have access to your back though. The thing to keep in mind is that in most cases, fighting on foot was conducted in formations of men-at-arms. In the movies you always see two armies meet, and then they kind of intermix and people pair up and have little individuals duels in a mass of chaos. In real life, the fighting would have been a lot more organized, with the front line of your formation fighting against another line, with hopefully just your friends behind you waiting to relieve you. So if your back is exposed directly it might mean your formation is routed or you're broken and retreating. So what you see me wearing is a normal configuration for the 1380s+, but going into the 1400s, backplates are becoming more common.

[@Sadeyr]

Nice! Thanks for the answer, very detailed. ^^ In your opinion, would adding back plates to the mail, allowing some bend while also adding the defense of the extra plates, add much weight to the overall set? I have no access to the plates used and such so I am not sure where they weigh in, I feel like it wouldn't add more than a few pounds but that's entirely a guess! I'm researching different types of armor to build up a proper plated set for a character I am making, fantasy-based but I enjoy being as accurate as possible, and practical.

[@KnyghtErrant]

It wouldn't really affect mobility that much since it's just as short as the breastplate, and you're right, it would only add a few pounds.

[@Sadeyr]

Thanks for the info! Just started watching your channel and your videos are very interesting, I'm really enjoying them. ^^