European Cup Final Tragedy Heysel 1985

European Cup Final May 29, 1985 (BBC Sport)
Presenter: Jimmy Hill
Guests: Graeme Souness, Terry Venables
Commentators: Barry Davies, Bobby Charlton

[@hjyigo4759]

Barry Davies was a truly great commentator. His pathos and gravitas were brilliantly communicated here. He is missed.

[@mrkipling2201]

Hj Yigo, I was going to say what a great job he did with Bobby Charlton in the most difficult of circumstances. Did his commentary without any hint of sensationalism, just gave the facts in a dignified manner.

[@planemaddean1458]

There are a couple of occasions where he is speaking from the heart about hooliganism and you can hear it in his voice how much he cared about the game. Will always be my favourite commentator for that. Sadly not Jimmy Hill's finest hour. Babbling on about the birch and national service

[@martinsmith1538]

Second that.

[@mrkipling2201]

@planemaddean1458 There was a Scene documentary on BBC 2 about a week or two after the Heysel disaster, and it followed Everton fans on their trip to Sittard in Holland in the 1984/85 CWC. The Everton fans behaved well, and the coach load of British blokes from Germany who were in the army and went to the game were the ones looking for trouble and were drunk and acting like idiots. Just goes to show that National Service would have solved nothing.

[@millivanilli2889]

He's still alive btw. He was still commentating on tennis until 2018.

[@davidporter7102]

The beginning to this programme was totally surreal. It went from showing Jimmy Hill sharing a laugh and a joke with Sir Terry Wogan and Bruce Forsyth during the link-up between the two studios, at which point no-one would have thought that anything was wrong in the stadium. After the MOTD intro music had played, the expression on Jimmy Hill's face changed completely as he briefly described the dreadful situation in the stadium and showed pictures of fans being carried away on pieces of fencing and a young fan being attended to by first aid workers on the pitch. I was only 5 at this time but still vividly remember seeing this on TV that night.

[@kinksterman]

Surreal indeed. I was 18 at the time and was anticipating a classic football encounter between two of the greatest clubs in world football. As it transpired, the match itself became known as the most forgetful game in history. A truly tragic night.

[@mrkipling2201]

David Porter I totally agree I was only young myself and I was sat watching it with my dad and I asked him what was happening and understandably he was a bit reluctant to tell me the full story. You look back on it now though and you can see why it happened especially considering the state of the stadium and the like. Terrible night

[@rodwellsbottle4538]

Was about 11, remember watching it and couldnt believe what was going on. Looking at that stadium it is mind blowing it was every played. Its not excusing the behaviour of those involved but its not like it was a shock there was trouble.

[@mrkipling2201]

Rodwells Bottle people getting in through the holes in the wall or just walking in, I’m surprised that there wasn’t a hillsborough type incident that night. I’ve heard a lot of comments from Liverpool fans in x and y section that night and they said it was very overcrowded.

[@kevinprior3549]

Yep it was all nice & jolly at the very start. All the now sadly missed men of Bruce, Terry, & Jimmy having a laugh. Then the Match of the Day tune which is always great to listen to. Then the moment it ended.... tragedy!

[@vampireducks1622]

Terry Venables prattling on with, "I just hope, whoever wins, it's gonna be football..." even after he's just heard Barry Davies describe the unfolding disaster - including a police report that at least 15 people had died up to that point - should tell you something about how out of touch with reality some of these football/media people can be.

[@garethfieldstead7547]

This might have been mentioned but I thought Bobby Charlton spoke with great eloquence and passion that night. One of Britians greatest ever talents, only 17 years previously was the shining glory of a wonderful career for him, having been a part of the team that fully supported England's entry into European competition and cruelly witnessing so many of his team mates perish following a European cup game. Yet no hyperbole or talking down other clubs. What a gentleman.

[@SalfordSoldier]

Especially with them flying Munich flags after the tragedy that just happened in front of their eyes

[@kevinprior3549]

Must have been terrifying for Bobby especially since he survived the Munich plane disaster in 1958.

[@jackr5407]

@@SalfordSoldier Which they only stopped doing after 97 of their own got crushed

[@davidbatthews3811]

It was only after this match that the media stopped saying that Liverpool had an “exemplary reputation”? 🤔, yet Anfield was a horrible place to visit in the ‘70s?

[@rodwellsbottle4538]

Imagine if there had been mobile phones at the time and that fans on mass had realised how many deaths there had been, the rioting would have been even worse as undoubtedly Juve fans would have gone mental.

[@muttley8818]

If there were mobile phones there would have been idiotic fans taking video and posting them on YT and Twitter. without thinking of helping those in danger....hoping to get subs and thumbs up. Don't believe me? It happens with every disaster.

[@falloutman1843]

Good observation

[@KDanes]

If they had mobile phones it probably wouldn't have happened..say what you want about that disaster but at least that generation of men had balls and testosterone...these days they wouldn't want to lose their phones or get their fake stone island jacket ripped. That generation were ready to go at all times. The modern generation are cowards

[@davidporter7102]

Some of the Juve fans seemed to go mental as it was. Some were still fighting with the police right up to the time when the game kicked off, even after Phil Neal and Gaetano Scirea (Juventus captain) had appealed for calm.

[@flalingbashers2957]

Liverpool FC Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. Justice for the 39.

[@madred6832]

When has any Liverpool fan said they aren't ashamed of these events?

[@imgoingtocountdownfromthir4580]

@@madred6832 they just pretend it never happened, it wasn't their fault, blah blah... Liverpool FC are having a parade through the streets of Liverpool this Sunday, the 29th of May, the 37th anniversary of the Heysel disaster, how shameless can you be? Imagine the uproar from Merseyside, if a parade was held on.the anniversary of Hillsborough?

[@madred6832]

@@imgoingtocountdownfromthir4580 The club are paying tribute to the victims on the day but don't let that spoil your agenda

[@imgoingtocountdownfromthir4580]

@@madred6832 No agenda, but why hold a "Victory parade" on the anniversary of such a shameful act, from Liverpool's history? Isn't it, in extremely bad taste, to hold a celebration on that particular date?

[@madred6832]

@@imgoingtocountdownfromthir4580 Because its the only possible date that they can do it before some of them have to go on international duty.

[@drguyjones]

Contributing factors to this disaster include 2 matches prior to this one: 1) 1984 Cup Winners Cup semi final between Juventus and Manchester United in Turin. The United fans went on a rampage after losing the second leg and trashed the city. This would have caused a lot of anger and hatred from the people of Turin. 2) 1984 European Cup Final in Rome between Roma and Liverpool. Here victorious the Liverpool fans were subjected to much violence by the Romans. There was also the Super Cup meeting between Juventus and Liverpool in 1984, which is where some say that a specific rivalry developed between the 2 sets of fans. In the days of poor policing and control of fans within the ground where fans deliberately set out to attack each other it is easy to see how Heysel could have happened. The violence on the terraces of Heysel and the tragic loss of life has to be seen in the context of unacceptable violence in European football at that time. It should also be noted that murderous and uncontrollable violence was not seen in Liverpool's outings in 1977, 1978 or 1981.

[@marky78mark]

absolutely spot on!

[@mrkipling2201]

Guy Jones I thought at the time how out of character it was for the Liverpool fans to act like that. Apart from a couple of instances of crowd trouble in European club games away from home the main trouble, in fact the worst trouble caused abroad was carried out by followers of the English National team. No doubt that this was the worst thing to happen. It was strange how English club teams were banned from playing in Europe but the English National team weren’t. Was that because it would have stopped the jolly ups of the FA and the politicians abroad??? Hmm...........

[@nikreece6295]

Sorry. But you're talking out of your arse. Liverpool fans had always had a good reputation abroad prior to this game.. You haven't read between the lines like most lfc haters haven't you?... The stadium was a crumbling shit hole, and should never of been chosen

[@mrkipling2201]

@@nikreece6295 I totally agree.

[@richardcoats6430]

@21:56 Souness very prophetic, missed that 39 years ago watching unfold live.may they all rest in peace🖤🤍🖤🤍🕊🙏Rangers 💙

[@piccupaul]

Interesting too that it was Souness himself who was Liverpool manager when they were finally readmitted to European competition in 1991.

[@mrkipling2201]

I know the game was an irrelevance after the trouble and the deaths of those fans, but what I thought was a shame was that it could have been a brilliant game between the two top teams in Europe. We could have had a classic match. Still, that ultimately didn’t matter. Of course it didn’t.

[@chokesmc]

Jimmy Hill hands over to John Motson but it's clearly Barry Davies....Minor detail really considering the subject matter of the video but i happened to notice it..

[@nikreece6295]

Liverpool FC's decline in the 1990s could actually be traced back to this....The looks on graham souness's and terry venable's faces says it all....So horrific, and so sad about what happened...Why was a crumbling stadium chosen for the biggest game in European club football?...

[@light106year6]

Nik Reece bullshit , they won three leagues after this and would of won the European cup again only the ref robbed them on this night before they were banned , also I wouldn’t call it much of a decline , they stayed at the top flight of English football since and won a European cup twenty years after

[@nikreece6295]

Light 106 year I know we stayed on top in the four years after this...I meant that this was part of the decline that was to happen after the 1980s

[@light106year6]

Nik Reece that’s bullshit , Liverpool won the double in 86 and in 88 had one of the greatest top flight teams ever that won the league, they also prospered in 89 and 90 with another la liga .

[@nikreece6295]

Light 106 year I know that...

[@mrkipling2201]

Nik Reece that's the thing with football it's cyclical. Liverpools winning cycle was coming to an end. Then United started their winning cycle and that would carry on for 20 years. Now their winning cycle has gone down from what it was and another team will take their place, whether it's city or Liverpool remains to be seen.

[@speakfreeley4473]

The match should not have been televised after what happened. The game had become of no interest to TV viewers. Remember watching all this unfurl. The real blame lies with UFEA president Jacques Georges for choosing Heysel to stage the final. Both Liverpool & Juventus weren't happy to stage it there because the ground was crumbling away through lack of upkeep to make it suitable for major fixtures like this, despite it being seen as Belgium's national stadium, & wanted the game relocated. Georges rejected the request & just said to both clubs his decision to stage it a Heysel was final. Georges should have resigned after the game, after all he did effectively have blood on his hands but didn't. Instead he banned English clubs indeterminately from all European competitions with Liverpool's ban continuing for a further three years after the English club ban was eventually lifted, though that was reduced to just one year. Juventus themselves received a suspended ban. The Belgian FA went further & banned all British clubs from playing European competitions on their soil. Allocation & organisation on the night was also poor. The part of the ground that was reserved for "neutrals" would turn out not so. Belgium had many ex-pat Italians living in the country. A lot of them Juventus supporters. That part of the ground was next to where Liverpool fans were allocated. It was only meant for those with Belgian addresses, but the ex-pats also had Belgian addresses making a mockery of the "neutral" policy. The ex-pat Juventus supporters turned clearly showing who they were supporting with tickets for the "neutral" sector. What the organisers should have done was to escort them to the end allocated for the Juventus fans & only let those certainly showing no obvious allegiance to Juventus into the "neutral" part. All in all a tragic mess.

[@thevillaaston7811]

The blame lies with Liverpool supporters.

[@mrkipling2201]

Speak freely I totally agree.

[@speakfreeley4473]

@@thevillaaston7811 Regardless of the behaviour of Liverpool fans Heysel should never have been chosen to stage a big fixture like this. Read my comment.

[@thevillaaston7811]

@@speakfreeley4473 Its a definate no. Liverpool supporters brought shame on Britain that night. Afterwards, the Liverpool club, and its supporters made things far worse by trying to wriggle out of any responsibility. I have not been to Anfield since 1983, but the word is that there ia stonking great memorial to Hillsborough there, and a Heysal memorial about the size of a manhole cover, that was finally unveiled about twenty years after the event.

[@speakfreeley4473]

@@thevillaaston7811 What Liverpool fans did that night I am not condoning. It was indeed a disgrace, but the fact is Heysel was a wreck. Back in 1980 Heysel staged the 'Cup Winners Cup' final between Arsenal & Valencia. While that was remembered purely for the football both sides complained about the stadium falling apart, & between those two fixtures nothing was done to improve the ground. That & bad organisation made matters worse. That section of the ground where the disaster happened was reserved for neutrals, meaning only those with Belgian addresses were allocated to that part. However Italian ex-pats living in Belgium who were also Juventus supporters & made it clear that they were so when arriving but nonetheless were sent to that area by organisers because their tickets said so. Only a flimsy wire segregation fence separated them from the majority who were Liverpool fans & took no time to breach. This was like throwing gunpowder onto a blaze. UFEA certainly must take at least some of the blame for choosing a dilapidated stadium to stage such a major event & they knew about Heysel's shabby condition but chose it anyway.

[@pepesukrakhanchana8164]

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[@thanley84]

Why are you blaming "scousers" generally - why has this never happened with Everton FC whose fans suffered by being banned from the major European Cup competition because of this?

[@alleyhughes4529]

everton fans almost killed me in the kop

[@AndraPOMAD1202]

🌹🌹🌹

[@MUFC1933]

They don’t make presenters like Jimmy any more . 😞 thanks Jim 🙏 ❤️ But, he WAS wrong a couple of times and I could feel Terrys head wobble 😂

[@paulgray7014]

Heysel was a death trap Arsenal played their in 1980 in the Cup Winners Cup final and they said it was a dump not condoning the actions of some of the fans that night but lots of incompetence by UEFA for choosing Heysel as the venue for the European cup final

[@mrkipling2201]

Paul Gray I’ve been saying the exact same thing for years.

[@garyhunt8067]

@@mrkipling2201 True. English clubs were complaining about the conditions of the stadium

[@mrkipling2201]

Gary Hunt it was an appalling stadium. I worked with a guy who went as a neutral and he said it looked so easy to get in the ground you didn’t need a ticket. He was in the seats next to the Liverpool section and he didn’t condone the violence but he wondered why Liverpool weren’t given all that end. The ground was a death trap though. Why was it chosen for the biggest game of the season??

[@nikreece6295]

A arsenal guy in his sixties i know very well told me a few years ago that he was at the ECWC final against valencia in 1980..and he said at the time himself that it was a shithole.. The warning signs about the state of the heysel stadium in Brussels had been there for a long time prior to the fatal and deadly human crush in 1985

[@mrkipling2201]

@@nikreece6295 absolutely. They not only chose a crumbling ground to hold the biggest game of the year but then gave a third of Liverpool’s end to supposed ‘ neutrals ‘. I will never understand that decision. Never.

[@MUFC1933]

Mark Lawrenson was saying only last night how he had disclocates his shoulder a few minutes into the game and was taken to hospital and woke up to the news and had to be sneaked to the airport and when they got there they were spat on and abused a lot. He also said LFC were told the game goes on but LFC didn’t want to play, they were playing in a daze.

[@mrkipling2201]

The reason that club sides were banned from Europe and the England national team wasn't was an obvious political decision. The MPs were worried that if England were banned their little jolly ups abroad would stop even though as was pointed out the English national team had lots more problems of hooliganism than club sides abroad

[@bigting4561]

Mr Kipling both countries should have been banned though it was bad from both it was the jive fans that were the worst ones

[@JoeMullanMusic]

I remember watching this live and seeing the guy get hit on the head with the brick on 1:17:48

[@kevinprior3549]

Here after Sir Bobby Charlton's death. Who was the co-commentator during this terrible event. God knows what was going thru his mind, seeing he was involved in the Munich Air disaster in 1958.

[@Evemeister12]

The crush wasn't a result of the wall collapsing. The Juventus fans running from the Liverpool fans piled up against that wall and that's how the crush occurred. The collapse of the wall actually released the pressure and prevented any further deaths.

[@uncontrollable343]

That’s not technically true. When the wall collapsed, a massive surge of people continued to trample over more and more people in their desperate attempt to breath. A lot of people were trapped but still alive beforehand.

[@flalingbashers2957]

It’s never there fault....Always the victims...

[@alleyhughes4529]

Decapitators!

[@nikreece6295]

go and give your pedophile daddy a good seeing too from behind

[@mrkipling2201]

The horrible irony is that the juventus fans who were intent on causing trouble were at the other end. I also for the life of me can't understand uefa's decision to give z section to supposed neutrals. These tickets were sold in Brussels which has a large Italian population so it was obvious who was going to get the majority of those tickets. I will never understand that decision never.

[@gazdutch2574]

You absolute fukkin bell end lad, where lfc goes, death follows.. Forza JUVENTUS 🖕🦓🖕

[@mrkipling2201]

Gaz Dutch so a crumbling stadium and a total fuck up by uefa in putting the 2 sets of fans next to each other separated by a stupid chicken wire fence had nothing to do with it then??? A small amount of Liverpool fans caused the disaster I’m not disputing that but the other factors that I mentioned also had something to do with it. And let’s calm down with the name calling eh??

[@mrkipling2201]

Gaz Dutch plus I don’t support Liverpool take from that what you will.

[@nikreece6295]

@@gazdutch2574 fuck you pussy.. Furthermore.. You can hate on us all you want. I don't care. But you know what's so fucked up to?.. Is that rival fans in italia like Liverpool all because of rival Italian fans's hatred towards you lot in juventus. I'm sure you've seen it on social media.. And have no time for that.

[@epicvsfvror]

False: the Italian casualties were from Italy, they did not live in Brussels

[@treborone2520]

If it had happened at the other end of the ground then the juventus fans would not have run away and chances are the wall would not of collapsed

[@garethfieldstead7547]

Like Brian Moore but more articulate. Never went into hyperbole when having to mention incidents off the pitch. Horrible times. Despite the football being played was superb , there seemed to be hooliganism every week especially that season and the football association and the government didn't have a clue how to control it.

[@GunsNRoses1123]

Animals, these people can't even fight normally, throwing a rock at one mans head when he's not looking, even if he was instigating it that's trying to murder someone for some football fight, ridiculous.

[@eastlondonblues]

this is sickening to watch, especially when you think of Hillsborough a few years later. English football learned nothing from Heysel. seeing this horror unfold it's actually incredible that the ban wasn't even longer.

[@pablojablo6371]

The two were completely different.

[@DB-qj5kt]

That was Barry Davies weren’t it

[@MUFC1933]

9:09 yeah fanx Ron famous last words 😞

[@craigchalmers6228]

If uefa had done the smart thing and held this final at a stadium like the Bernabeu or camp nou then none of the victims would have sadly passed away and the history of English club football would be so much different I as a liverpool fan do not condone the actions of any of the fans that night or the tragic loss of life to the juventus fans....I was only 6 at the time of this horrific event so was too young to understand what happened but sadly almost 40 years later it is still a tragedy and one of the darkest days in football......R.I P to the victims YNWA

[@MUFC1933]

Great LFC fans btw 😲😧🫤😳🤯

[@mrkipling2201]

One thing I thought was that it was out of character for Liverpool fans or any English club sides fans to cause trouble like that. In fact, apart from the Spurs incident with Feyenoord, all the trouble caused abroad was by fans of the England team.

[@gavb9816]

thats completely wrong. Villa in Anderlecht,UTD in St Ettienne,Turin , west Ham in Madrid. helsea in Amsterdam/Euro cup winners final. Arsenal in Copehagen etc \you could lietrally go on forever. It was part of |English you culture for years. Being part of ;the firm' was common place

[@mrkipling2201]

That’s true. I should have mentioned those incidents. What wasn’t in doubt was that trouble was more likely to happen at England away games back then, rather than English club sides playing in Europe.

[@matthewwright7831]

I always remember a Juve fan with a gun?

[@stephen-truthseeker]

Yeah I remember that

[@charlenegatt1769]

@@stephen-truthseeker sure?

[@stephen-truthseeker]

@@charlenegatt1769 Yeah it was shown on my local northwest news.

[@flalingbashers2957]

Shame he never used it .

[@mrkipling2201]

It was a starting pistol. Shows you how bad the Belgian authorities were that night that someone could get that into the ground.

[@rodrigofonseca6241]

I like the fact the commentator doesn't whitewashes the fact it were Liverpool so called fans guilty of this tragedy.

[@steve-kl9iv]

They also blame the police, the lack of segregation, mention how much trouble other English fans have caused over the years and recommend English clubs are banned from Europe. They also say it was a small minority of fans who caused it and that the deaths and injuries weren't caused by actual fighting but by the wall collapsing. Very accurate.

[@MrGaultier68]

The day football died for me.

[@richardwhittome7712]

Going on about mandatory national service (Jimmy Hill) was so unhelpful. What, instructing people in the use of weapons and military tactics will help mitigate violent tendencies? Luckily, we found a more sensible route and hooliganism is 'almost' a thing of the past.

[@steve-kl9iv]

Hooliganism costs a fortune to police. Without safer grounds and strict policing it would be far worse than it is. Many young people want to cause trouble, so do a fair few older people. They use football to get a buzz, be in their little gang. It's fashionable to look the part in designer gear even if you can't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. They're just idiots

[@johnallan4826]

Ah terry and BRITISH football but if liverpool it’s never us won. Well

[@220773]

Rai... listen to me, mates, for a number of reasons, I was living in Italy back then, I was 12, and I can tell you that the Rai commentators spent ONE HOUR before informing us that people had died. It was clear, yet they didn't speak a heck of a word. Barrie Davies here mentions Rai, yet he behaved much less hypocritical with the audience and immediately spoke of . 10 minutes into the live coverage he also speaks of . Rai was still silent and would keep it all covered up until other 50 minutes. At least Britain is much better than Italy from this point of view and, mind you, I can tell you a lot about that, having been raised in both countries. Och, I was about to forget to remind you that the whole tragedy was caused by a SIMPLE BRAWL. Just a brawl. People taunting each other, bad words, pushing, shoving and, at last, SOME British fans running towards the Italians... the poor Italians simply WITHDREW and tried to escape, so that a FUCKING WALL went down. That's all. No excuse to anyone, at all, but what about the whole UEFA organisation of this match??? I mean, Heizel Stadium, a wall of SAND and OBSOLETE BRICKS... a wall came down for f.'s sake... and what about putting the Liverpool hoolies ALONGSIDE harmless Italians? Between them, just WIRE MESH FOR HENS. Got it? Luckily, the game was played, otherwise the WHOLE OF THE JUVE ULTRAS on the other side of the end would've STARTED A BRIT-CHASE ALL AROUND BRUSSELS... and let me tell you, Italian ultras are MUCH MORE VIOLENT (and heavily politicised) than any British hoolie crowd, believe me...

[@That_Random_Bloke]

Unbearable. And I think we had the Bradford stadium fire about a week beforehand. British football in the 1980’s was cursed it felt at times

[@220773]

In the rest of Europe people were dying in mass: 1982, Spartak - Haarlem at the Lenin Stadium, 66 dead for a stampede, no-one spoke a word about that. Ultras around Europe were twenty times worse than the British hoolies, yet anything had to be swept under the carpet to throw English clubs away from European success. Let's not even talk about that. We were simply more and more naive than the rest of the Europeans, that's why we payed for all the others. Mrs. Thatcher exploited the whole situation and had us banned from Europe, auld bitch. Don't forget an ordinary Lazio fan died out of the blue as a Roma supporter shot a ROCKET from end to end before a derby match, and that was 1979.................... and I'm also a Roma supporter, frankly, as much as I'm a Rangers man (I'm half Scottish). They carried ROCKETS into football grounds. Roma was left-wing, Lazio was right-wing back then, it was all political, the '70s saw daily fights between leftists and fascists in the streets, the climate of that time was this one, people lived locked in their flats to avoid violence. Not to mention Spain under Franco, until 1977. And what about the Inter fans throwing a SCOOTER from the terraces? What about sections and sections of a train on fire arriving at Salerno station because frustrated Salernitana ultras had decided it had to be so? Did the Italians pay for such things? Naw. Listen, mate, Britain's twenty times more civilized and democratic compared to such countries and that's how it was back in 1985 as well.

[@bobdylanger2710]

@@220773 should have held the final at ibrox, would have been one of the safest stadium's in Europe at the time.

[@220773]

@@bobdylanger2710 Och aye lad!!! Gers man to Gers man, Ibrox in the mid '80s and later on was 'simply the best'. ;-)

[@bobdylanger2710]

@@220773 still a great stadium ma friend, it's getting a few wee upgrades just now, can't wait to get back! hate the close season.

[@dessiemckenzie5857]

1985 was without doubt the Darkest year of Association football. Millwall fans riot at Luton town. The Bradford Fire tragedy claiming 56 lives on the same day as the young supporter dies during riots between Birmingham City and Leeds Utd. The Heysel Stadium tragedy. 77 days of grief. 2 months and 16 days during which Footballs name was dragged through the mud.

[@kevinprior3549]

This was when English football was in disgrace despite English teams winning the European Cup for the last 7 out of 8 years up to this point.

[@mrkipling2201]

I wonder if Heysel was chosen as the venue for the final because UEFA was hoping that trouble would take place and English teams could be banned from European competition. Especially with them putting ‘ neutrals ‘ next to the Liverpool fans. They must have had a fair idea that those block Z tickets would mostly end up in the hands of Italian fans which would increase the chance of trouble even more. As that decision with block Z is beyond me. Liverpool should have had all of that end.

[@kevinprior3549]

@@mrkipling2201 whatever the reasons were thay stadium was a death trap

[@mrkipling2201]

@@kevinprior3549 absolutely.

[@simonmaskell365]

@@mrkipling2201 Why did Liverpool not have the whole end. If they did no one dies.

[@mrkipling2201]

@@simonmaskell365 definitely. I’ve said the same thing myself for years.

[@raheemmajid8559]

From this video, I reckon Liverpool were harshly done by. Yes, a few of their fans charged the supposed neutral block Z full of Juve fans, but there was one fan amongst them with a red England away shirt from that time. I have never seen many Liverpool fans wear England shirts to a football game, so were some of the supporters there fans of other cubs? After all documentaries of this disaster suggest no tickets were being checked, and there were tickets being sold on the secondary market for the final. And the majority of violence is seem from Juve fans, hitting police with stadium debris, long poles, bats. Then sticking up a flag saying "RED ANIMALS". Majority of Liverpool fans at that stadium were stood peacefully in their own terraces, singing songs about their own club. No banner provoking Juve fans. It seems deliberate that there were more police outside the ground, compared to inside. A significant number out there should have been checking tickets, also alot more being deployed between that block Z and Liverpool fans. It's mad to think that there was a neutral stand for a final between two big teams, at a time when hooliganism was rife all across Europe. That stadium is not even fit enough to hold a school sports day let alone a major professional football final. Nevertheless, RIP to those who died.

[@mrkipling2201]

Raheem Majid exactly what I’ve been saying for years. I saw a picture on Getty images and there’s a guy wearing an Arsenal shirt by the chicken wire fence. I magnified it and you can see it as clear as day.

[@planemaddean1458]

Why wasnt the neutral end at The Juve end? Seen so many interviews and documentaries on this and it always smacks of a stitch up. Liverpool protested to uefa to play it elsewhere but uefa said no

[@mrkipling2201]

Football Lover 1973 same with hillsborough. The Liverpool chief executive didn’t want the semi final to be played there. Just as he protested about playing the final at heysel. Arsenal played at heysel in the CWC final in 1980, 5 years previous, and they came back saying what a dump and how derelict it was. 5 years previously!! Yet nobody was listening.

[@SpeccyHorace]

Do fuck off.

[@mrkipling2201]

Who??

[@McFlashh]

Scousers are embarrassing.

[@johnallan4826]

Now Barry saying british. Shocking

[@freemanv4056]

Scousers aren't English, they're plastic Paddies for the most part.

[@davyhiggins5693]

Souness was right act like if you act like an annimal you should be treated like

[@Kgoosey]

What happen?

[@garyhunt8067]

A crumbling wall collapsed killing mostly Juventus fans

[@flalingbashers2957]

Juventus fans murdered by Liverpool animals.

[@mrkipling2201]

The wall collapsing actually saved more fans from being killed as it released the pressure of the crushing.

[@armankamal3879]

Hooliganism is in the nature of English

[@daveb5041]

Thats not worth dying over. But here in american we have people that get killed over a 39$ DVD player. The best part was 1 out of three of those DVD players were broken right out of the box and were total junk.

[@kevinprior3549]

The Juve players made it worse going to their own supporters to “calm” them down. It was bad enough when Liverpool fans attacked the Juve fans and deaths coming up as a result of it

[@mrkipling2201]

I saw a documentary about the disaster and they interviewed a Juventus fan that was in the main stand and he said that there was Juventus fans, covered in blood, cheering and going crazy when the team did a lap of honour with the cup. Just shows how much power football has over some people.

[@mccann82]

1:17:48.....some aim

[@Fatal_clips]

Aim assist 😂

[@Scottfree166]

Bullseye! 🎯 😳🤕😂

[@massimominardi8790]

Reds animals

[@RubyMarkLindMilly]

Juventus cowards running away caused the tragedy

[@mrkipling2201]

Yes that banner produced by Juventus fans said ‘ reds animals ‘.

[@nikreece6295]

here's my question senor...why was a crumbling, shit-hole of a stadium chosen for the biggest game in european club football?...and in block z were the tragic events happened....how exactly did juventus fans end up getting tickets for the liverpool fan's end and with only a thin line of police and a chicken wire fence keeping both sets of fans apart...how was that ever to work?

[@220773]

1:10 Oh, come on... now I have to believe Jimmy Hill didn't know anything about the whole situation just a few... seconds before the opening titles for the match????????????????????? Hypocrisy reigns here.

[@light106year6]

Tv rights and money hadn’t destroyed European football back then , nice to see the bbc presenting European Cup football , penalty was outside the box and boniek was looking for it . Juventus never really won this

[@dirkelst]

moron

[@lusardi01]

You ask any Juventus supporter and that victory is hollow. Holding it in a stadium that was falling apart with lack of policing, inadequate ticketing and poor segregation was a recipe for disaster.. the rest we all know about.

[@rodwellsbottle4538]

Are you seriously arguing about the result? My God!

[@mrkipling2201]

At the end though it didn't really matter the damage had been done

[@oblioarrow567]

Dancing on their graves.

[@meisterlymanu5214]

it started because a guinea claimed he was dodgier than a scouser. Well, the scousers werent having that and rightly so. So they killed Belgians, and why not. Bit like a war.

[@lusardi01]

Guinea ?? are you referring to Italians ?

[@Gary80264]

You notice the Liverpool fans are waving flags, and the Juventus fans are causing trouble.

[@AlienProbe73]

Thats Because they are angry at what just happened to them.

[@Gary80264]

Where were the police. If they were English fans the police would sort them out.

[@light106year6]

Als what would you know ?

[@victorfalkemback]

Go fuck yourself piece of shit

[@azzboute5922]

Gary80264 english get out of earth now!we are fed up with you.anywhere in the world you are hated.

[@RubyMarkLindMilly]

Sorry to say but the Juventus fans running away caused the tragedy

[@kevinprior3549]

Cos they were frightened on getting hurt by twats with rods and tubes?

[@gerald1108]

Always somebody else's fault when the English murder isn't it .

[@epicvsfvror]

Stupid to say it, very idiotic. And false.

[@user-dz8bj6vt1v]

Many people say liverpoodlians first provoked by italians who were throwing stones to their stand. Could someone who was there to confirm or refute ?