Eurovision 2023: Old Voting System Results (GRAND FINAL) l 2009-2012 System

These are the results with the old voting system so please respect it! Comment your opinion and don't forget to like and subscribe!
SUBSCRIBE HERE!
/ @escxcan
Eurovision 2023:
🇦🇱 Albina & Familja Kelmendi - Duje
🇦🇲 Brunette - Future Lover
🇦🇺 Voyager - Promise
🇦🇹 Teya & Salena - Who The Hell Is Edgar?
🇦🇿 TuralTuranX - Tell Me More
🇧🇪 Gustaph - Because Of You
🇭🇷 LET 3 - Mama ŠČ
🇨🇾 Andrew Lambrou - Break a Broken Heart
🇨🇿 Vesna - My Sister's Crown
🇩🇰 Reiley - Breaking My Heart
🇪🇪 ALIKA - Bridges
🇫🇮 Käärijä - Cha Cha Cha
🇫🇷 La Zarra - Évidemment
🇬🇪 Iru - Echo
🇩🇪 LORD OF THE LOST - Blood & Glitter
🇬🇷 Victor Vernicos - What They Say
🇮🇸 Diljá - Power
🇮🇪 Wild Youth - We Are One
🇮🇱 Noa Kirel - Unicorn
🇮🇹 Marco Mengoni - Due vite
🇱🇻 Sudden Lights - Aijā
🇱🇹 Monika Linkytė - Stay
🇲🇹 The Busker - Dance (Our Own Party)
🇲🇩 Pasha Parfeni - Soarele şi luna
🇳🇱 Mia Nicolai & Dion Cooper - Burning Daylight
🇳🇴 Alessandra Mele - Queen of Kings
🇵🇱 Blanka - Solo
🇵🇹 Mimicat - Ai coração
🇷🇴 Theodor Andrei - D.G.T (Off and On)
🇸🇲 Piqued Jacks - Like An Animal
🇷🇸 Luke Black - Samo mi se spava
🇸🇮 Joker Out - Carpe Diem
🇪🇸 Blanca Paloma - Eaea
🇸🇪 Loreen - Tattoo
🇨🇭 Remo Forrer - Watergun
🇺🇦 TVORCHI - Heart of Steel
🇬🇧 Mae Muller - I Wrote A Song
Copyright Disclaimer under Section 107 of the copyright act 1976, allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favour of fair use.
▪︎All rights belong to EBU▪︎
Tags: #Eurovision #Eurovision2023
Junior Eurovision Song Contest, music, Eurovision Battles, Eurovision, Eurovision 2020, Eurovision 2019, Eurovision Song Contest, Eurovision Song Contest 2017, Eurovision 2016, Eurovision 2017, Eurovision 2018, esc 2015, esc 2016, esc 2017, esc 2018, Eurovision Top 10, Eurovision Top 20, Eurovision Top 15, Eurovision my final, Eurovision 2017 semifinals, rehearsals, Eurovision rehearsal, Eurovision rehearsal 2017, Eurovision first rehearsal, Eurovision second rehearsal, BIG 5, Host, Eurovision rehearsal 2017, reaction of Eurovision first rehearsal, reaction of Eurovision second rehearsal, Eurovision 2017 My Ideal Contest, Results, My Eurovision, My finalists, My eurovision winners, Song Contest, Eurovision Top before show, before show, guess, simulation, voting, qualifiers, qualify, top 10, 26 finalists, the voice finland, preselection, pre-selection, finnish music, music in kiev, semifinal 1, semi final 2, grand final, candidates, Top 24, Top 32, Top 28, Top 30, Top 22, Top 20, deltävlingen 1, deltävling 1, deltävlingen 2, deltävling 2, deltävlingen 3, deltävlingen 4, deltävling 4, melodifestivalen 2017, melfest 2017, top songs, heat 1, heat 2, heat 3, heat 4, swedish, svergie, Lietuva Eurovizijoje, Eurovizija, Eurovizijos Dainų Konkursas winner, esc, jesc, top 42, top 43, eurovision history, ever since 1956, national final, Europe, recap, all entries, ranking, karaoke, lyrics, instrumental, cover, live, dress rehearshal, jury, televoting, televotes, 2nd semi final, 1st semi final, results, after show, England, Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Britain, british, mad, VMA, Ukraine, Kyiv, Kiev, Stockholm, Vienna, Copenhagen, Malmö, Baku, Düsseldorf, Oslo, Moscow, Belgrade, Helsinki, Athens, Istanbul, Riga, Tallin, London, Congratulations: 50 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest, Eurovision Song Contest's Greatest Hits, scoreboard, euroscoreboard, top, favourite, points, recap, national final, selection, preselection, interval act, host city, hosts, Albania, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Festivali i Këngës, Dansk Melodi Grand Prix, DMGP, Eesti Laul, Uuden Musiikin

[@Deedee-ee1sg]

The public vote was really weird. 5 points to Spain? UK didn't get many, yet other songs that were DULL got masses. VERY odd. Still, despite that the whole show was FANTASTIC, and hugely entertaining!!

[@siebenoel705]

UK was one of, if not the dullest song in the final, and it also wasn’t very well performed. Surprised it didn’t end up in last place tbh

[@Mscape7]

@@siebenoel705 me too. Deserved last place. So, so boring and dull!

[@strange144]

I mean, UK's singer couldn't sing live. They shouldn't have gotten anymore points than they did, tbh.

[@lukefarrell1453]

UK was bad live

[@sararadley5702]

Spain was beautiful but their song would never be able to get through and please such a wide audience , people like songs that everyone can sing along with like Finland

[@tinzmaps]

Justice for Serbia and Slovenia 😢

[@Hugo-gc8jm]

wow the new system saved France cause we had a lot a "little" points like between 1 ans 3 that you can't see with the old system

[@StarTheTripleDevil]

If they had never switched voting systems after 2015: - Käärijä would have overtaken Lordi for Finland's highest score of all time. - Loreen would not have been able to overtake Loreen for Sweden's highest score of all time, and would have even failed to overtake Måns for the second highest score Sweden had ever achieved. (Note that with the actual voting systems, Finland 2021 and Sweden 2022 were each country's respective highest scores ever before 2023. This is why the assumption requires that the new voting system was never used.)

[@kieranedmunds2936]

In 2012 there was 42 votes instead of 38 so she could been in range of 372

[@CookyMonzta]

​@Kieran Edmunds But would she have claimed 12-point scores from the 4 or 5 countries that didn't show up this year? The "rest-of-the-world" vote (which didn't exist until now) only afforded her 7 points. My guessing, she would have earned maybe another 40 jury points and another 25 televote points. The composite would have left her maybe a few points ahead of or behind Måns, with her jury score dragging her down (265-275 vs. 296 in 2012).

[@capsu6327]

In 2006 there was a few country which voting with jury and all others vote televotes, that mean it's not same system what 2015 is

[@joshuakerr5702]

Thanks for calculating this, it’s interesting to look through!

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

He didn't calculate, it's up on the net, he just made the video

[@CookyMonzta]

So...31 points on the old system separated Loreen from Käärijä. Getting nearly twice the number of jury points to her nearest competitor (Noa from Israel) sealed the deal; and Käärija was too far back on the jury scorecard; he definitely needed at least 200. ☹️

[@escmax3224]

imagine if Sweden gave 30 of their jury points to Finland. Her lead would still be giant (which is crazy to me) with 310 and Finland 180. The fact that Käärija would have surpassed her by 3 points... Now that would have been a great climax to this finale but how was Finland ever going to score 190 televote points more than Sweden... And not to hate on Loreen but her song was yes, a great eurovision song but I truly can't see it as a winning song

[@l1lium]

Hypothetical situation on how Finland could have won: If Loreen got the same amount of points she got now and Finland got the same amount of jury points (150), Finland should have got at least 434 points from televoters. And that's 10 points less than the maximum amount of points a country could get (444) this year. So yeah. Talking about impossible

[@CookyMonzta]

@@l1lium I thought Israel would be the spoiler. Had Noa received 243 televote points, Loreen would have been the one left with 185 and finished one point short.

[@l1lium]

@@CookyMonzta yup. But the moment Finland got televote points I counted how much points Sweden needed and immediately knew it's not enough... I knew Sweden would get at least 200 points because she's Loreen and the song was playing EVERYWHERE so how would they get less points :D

[@Mscape7]

So fuck? The better song won. Sorry. Are you still listening to that song about pina colatas? No? Loreen is still top 20 across Europe. Lol.

[@mayden1]

Not la Zarra and Blanca Paloma getting even worse results 🥲 the highlight is Bejba getting 16th place instead of 19th ❤️‍🔥

[@in_wino_veritas]

Absolutely. Bejba was robbed by the juries. So was Alessandra, but she's 5th with both systems. Great, that Blanka is 16th instead of 19th, also Austria 12th instead of 15th. Yes, La Zarra and Blanca are even robbed more, which is sad, the running order really didn't do them any favors.

[@iamterrytv]

😭😭😭😭

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

i thought y'all said bejba was corrupted and now y'all rooting for her??

[@circonflexe3658]

@@user-sg4ov7ng4h Sometimes I don't get this fandom

[@bogdan-cristiantimofte5625]

Since when was Blanka robbed when she's the one robbing in the first place??? She didn't even deserve the Grand Final ffs

[@madalinaanton3253]

All the good songs at the bottom

[@dickan4009]

😂😂😂 good songs?! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Euro_Zack]

Belgium 7th is GOLD After all the hate he received ❤

[@l0veasia333]

He received hate ? Why ?

[@RickyPro888]

@@l0veasia333he wasn’t a fan favourite in the Belgian NF

[@l0veasia333]

@RickyPro oh okay Not my favourite either for belgium but to hate him just because of that ... i mean not really surprising for ev' fans but quite sad

[@Euro_Zack]

@@l0veasia333 Yes that's so sad...

[@vem9583]

The fact that Belgium got more points than France, Spain, Austria, Czechia… I wanna strangle the juries

[@markmd9]

Finland won the public votes And preceded year I'm not sure but probably Moldova

[@Artpop69]

Public votes is available since 2016. Jury was from the beginning. So Loreen is real winner

[@lazar6510]

​@@Artpop69 not true, get informed better, jury was from 2009

[@vem9583]

@@Artpop69 televote has been since the 90s. Yeah, bribing the juries makes you a real winner sure while millions voted for the other guy

[@epicperson9961]

@@lazar6510 and before 1998 so maybe you should take your own advice

[@epicperson9961]

@@Artpop69 was introduced in 1998 but yes you are correct, juries have been around since the beginning

[@Sim0n98]

What's the difference between the old version and the current version? I thought it was a 50/50 split for both versions.

[@ESCxCan]

the old version has the jury and televoting combined to one score. each country had to rank every song from 1st to last place. after that they had the final ranking and based on that the points were awarded.

[@Sim0n98]

@@ESCxCan I knew that, I just assumed that both versions would result in the same ranking.

[@justdavidpoell8228]

😊

[@hectorgonzalez-td5mp]

I asume this is the 2009-2012 system, in which juries and televote points were added, and the country who scored the most got the 12, then the 10...

[@jaevlaunghee8502]

Old was their avrage lets say that finland got 26 in jurie but 2 in tele from the uk they would get 14 as avrage and maybe didn’t get points from the uk

[@LayllasLocker]

Listening to this I'm again confused why so many juries ignored so many songs. I just don't get it.

[@monemori]

they really, REALLY wanted Loreen to win no matter what

[@jooseemii]

Blanca Paloma even getting a worse result 😭

[@Xerneas385]

Iam still baffled by the fact that Armenia and France is not in the top 10

[@ivannnnnmmmm]

SLOVENIA DESERVED BETTER

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

Hmm, I believe it deserved worse. It was the least memorable song and performance of the whole night. I can't think of a single song that I would place lower. I don't even know the melody of it

[@lb2419]

@@S_H_A_R_N_I_E They have the boyband appeal but that's basically it. Oh, and now the hordes of people shipping their lead with Käärijä

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

@@lb2419 it's all weird imho

[@meli-loves-music]

Another point for the old system for putting Austria and Czechia higher. At least I think it does. But overall, I have to say: No matter if old or new system - the best song (Finland) loses against the most boring song of the evening next to Italy. So we need neither the new nor the old, but a system that gives 26 points for all participants. So Germany at least gets a place they deserve.

[@Monkelonk]

Czechia is one position lower

[@Rash23215]

Czechia isn't higher....

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

So Sweden is boring to you, but that doesn't mean it's boring. It's an amazing song, and so is Cha Cha Cha, however, Finland is not winner worthy because his vocals aren't great and it's a meme song, this is why so many people don't care about Eurovision because people like you want to vote for Finland or Croatia because they're catchy meme songs rather than actual music that people will forever listen to and remember

[@meli-loves-music]

@@S_H_A_R_N_I_E thank you for your answer and point of view. Inspired me to think more about it. You are right about the first part: I should have said that in my opinion, the song from Sweden is boring. Because in the end, everything is just a personal opinion and nothing to state as a fact. However, I don't agree to your point of view of Cha Cha Cha only being a meme song like Croatia. The main difference between Finland and Croatia was: Finland was music. First of all, the instrumental of the song had levels, dynamics and very cool sounds. Secondly, the song itself is built in an interesting way to have the verses, the aggressive chorus and the happy part in the end in which it sounds less like rock and more like Techno. So third, it covered different genres in one song. Compared to that, Croatia has a bad melody, worse singers, lame song structure and an ok instrumental. So you see: Finland is not just a meme song, but made in a very professional way. So you cannot say that people who voted for Finland, only vote for meme songs. I am really interested in the contest because of the songs and listen to them a lot for years! Thanks to everyone who read this. Wish you an amazing day.

[@nicolegend9649]

@@meli-loves-music But you don't speak about not great Kaarija's vocals. It's a fact.

[@sarastrom4041]

💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛 Best winner 💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛

[@toottoot75]

If Israel hadn't given Ukraine 8 points in the televotes, then Noa would have been 4th in the televotes instead of 5th...

[@chawatronic]

Israel did not deserve top 10 Like every year. Eurovision is a political/commercial festival

[@nice143]

Im form Israel and when I think about it we *maybe* could get every year even more points from the televotes but it interesting how many people decide to not vote for us because of politics even if our song is their favorite.

[@martinbertilsson1654]

@@nice143 Finnish televote gave Sweden zero... I see no other reason than they didn´t want to vote for their worst enemy at the contest... I think that´s rather bad... even if I do admit being swedish

[@in_wino_veritas]

@@martinbertilsson1654 true, I also believe that's the reason behind it. I also like to know, where they landed in each other's televote. 2 years ago, Italian televoters only gave one point to France and the French jury placed Italy in 11th position due to 2 members really underrating Måneskin. I'm curious to know how all of this worked out this time around, including detailed jury results. Wow, that's when neighbors who actually have a record of giving most points to each other, become enemies.

[@martinbertilsson1654]

@@in_wino_veritas The jury points is a bit more complexed and I don´t have the method of calculate it but there is a exponent-rate so a song that is disliked by a jurymember don´t drop too much if the rest have them top 3... Each jury member make a list from 1 to 26 (in final)... so if all five have a song top 10... while another song is perhaps number 1 for two members while being below 10 or even 20... it´s still higher placed in the end... so you just don´t add the numbers... This way it´s also trickier to fix the voting pattern and you don´t see the score until all is done... (As I see it and I´m good at math...)

[@realnoahsimpson]

ofc if the pre-2016 system was used, the semifinal results would have been different too

[@jacobdean6989]

Somehow the results would've been even worse 💀

[@ericbuschbacher6220]

Il est quasiment impossible d'avoir un vote juste et impartial. Le televoting est bien trop tard dans la soirée. Seule la jeune génération ira voter. Autre aberration, on peut voter jusqu'à 20 fois. Un vote par votant suffit. Certaines nationalités sont surrepresentées. Il y a par exemple des millions d'italiens émigrés (diaspora) et chauvins dans tous les pays d'Europe de l'ouest qui peuvent voter pour leur pays d'origine. D'où le bon classement chaque année de l'Italie.

[@raymondforest5799]

Tu oublies surtout de dire que l'Italie choisit toujours de bonne chanson chaque année

[@aldinoibanezisidroahmed6233]

@@raymondforest5799 Estoy en desacuerdo, Italia estuvo muy sobrevalorada en 2011, 2016 (Con todo y que ese año no quedó tan alto, desde mi perspectiva merecía quedar aún más bajo) 2018 y 2023. Todos los demás años merecían su puesto, pues la verdad sus canciones eran excelentes 👍✨

[@felicepompa938]

​@@aldinoibanezisidroahmed6233i agree on all your points except the 2018 one. It was the best song of the year by a mile.

[@JamieJooESC]

Aside from the obvious top 2, this was a year where NO ONE got it right and I'm so glad too. Spain didn't deserve the hype it got and right got last from the public vote

[@robbe.t.r.o]

*obvious top 3 imo lmao

[@methatis3013]

Wdym. Loreen sucked. Finland overrated as well. Don't even get me started on Israel

[@SarahTheNearlyInSP]

​@@methatis3013 I agree about Sweden (nowhere near as good as Euphoria) and Isreal, but Finland's was a real performance and the crowd loved it!

[@myfootballarchive4299]

@@methatis3013yep I’ve been watching since 2015 and this was my least favourite year to date. Comparing it to 2021 I’m sure if just one of Barbara Pravi, Gjon’s Tears, Dadi, Go_A or Dark side performed their song this year they would’ve won.

[@kennet7837]

Spain had the best vocal performance by far! Absolutely did not deserve last with the public.

[@rustamtalibzade6989]

What's the difference between this system and the current one? Wasn't then jury/televotes also 50/50, but the points were combined?

[@leonova7828]

Based on my understanding (I don't know the details so I may be a bit wrong) the difference is: In the new system both viewers and the jury give 1-12 points. So each country gives two sets of points from 1 to 12, one is from the jury and one is from the viewers. In the previous system it was 50/50 and combined but the results were combined prior to giving the points so each country only gave one set of points from 1-12. (The highest ranked 12 and so on). So in the old system the 11 highest ranked countries based on the combined points got the points. In this one 11 highest ranked from the jury and 11 highest ranked from the televote get them separately. So the numbers are not necessarily the same as they would be if the old system was still use.

[@abc4607]

It's the 10 highest scores, not 11 (from 1 to 8, and 10 and 12).

[@leonova7828]

@@abc4607 You are absolutely right, it is 10. I have no idea why I wrote 11 in my comment, must have been typing it in hurry. I think I remembered there is no 11 but for some reason completely forgot to exclude 9. But well, at least the main point of my comment still stands.

[@Randomsingingdude]

How did you calculate this with the 2013-2015 system when we haven’t got the full 1st-25th/26th rankings yet? Or are they published and I have just not seen them?

[@ESCxCan]

they are out

[@haku3326]

Cyprus: basic ass song, fake vocals, basic staging = 9th place Spain: original song, meaningful staging, flawless voice = 20th place Yeah I'm still pretty shocked about my country's placement. Can't believe those 5 televote points

[@lb2419]

Televote doesn't care if it's sung live or whether the artist relied heavily on the pre-recorded backing track. See: Finland.

[@bromxandi126]

​@@lb2419facts

[@raymondforest5799]

In my opinion, Spain's song chorus is just so annoying, the rest of the song is fine but the chorus is so important.

[@timmieng554]

Alika 😁 Estonia in the top 10 which is amazing they should understand her amazing vocals and performance 🇪🇪😁 alao special thanks to Wouter Hardy our dutch music composer

[@ytfeh]

Old voting system was about 100 % jury voting. Finland was 4th with juries. This is not correct, I thinkl

[@ESCxCan]

old voting system was televoting and jury voting combined.

[@christianjocson4629]

im very confused to how this old system worked, even reading the comments here explaining it

[@thekat2784]

Instead of separating juries and televoters, they fused them so each country only gave one set of 12,10,8,7,etc instead of two

[@miguelc6740]

So, I made the math and this is the result according to the 2013-2015, a different system using the average ranking of each song and not the points given. Btw, I did not include the ROTW voting in this as it didn't existe back in 2013-2015. I also calculated the placement changes with the actual results and the 12 point-givers. Results: 1 Sweden 338p (=) 12p from: Portugal, Cyprus, Albania, Australia, Belgium, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia. 2 Finland 259p (=) 12p from: Austria, Sweden, Estonia, Norway, Israel, Denmark, Iceland, Ireland, The Netherlands. 3 Italy 211p (received points from 32 countries) (+1) 12p from: Switzerland, Germany, Slovenia, Croatia, Malta, San Marino 4 Israel 211p (received points from 28 countries) (-1) 12p from: Poland, France, Spain, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Greece 5 Norway 145p (=) 6 Ukraine 125p (=) 12p from: Italy, Czechia. 7 Belgium 95p (=) 8 Cyprus 78p (+4) 9 Czechia 72p (+1) 12p from: Finland 10 Lithuania 69p (+1) 12p from: The United Kingdom 11 France 60p (received points from 15 countries) (+5) 12 Armenia 60p (received points from 12 countries) (+2) 12p from: Georgia 13 Switzerland 59p (+7) 14 Austria 57p (+1) 15 Australia 49p (-6) 16 Croatia 41p (-3) 17 Estonia 40p (-9) 18 Slovenia 36p (received points from 8 countries) (+3) 12p from: Serbia 19 Moldova 36p (received points from 7 countries) (-1) 12p from: Romania 20 Poland 28p (-1) 12p from: Ukraine 21 Portugal 22p (+2) 22 Albania 16p (received points from 5 countries) (=) 23 Spain 16p (received points from 4 countries) (-6) 24 United Kingdom 13p (+1) 25 Serbia 7p (-1) 26 Germany 3p (=) Biggest winners by this system: Switzerland, France, Cyprus, Slovenia Losers: Estonia, Australia, Spain, Croatia.

[@lb2419]

Apart from the pure televote era, Loreen would've always won is what I am seeing with the old systems?

[@CloudyWithABitOfRain]

I'm convinced Israel got so money points because of her great looks rather than singing quality. The Switzerland guy had such a strong voice and he placed badly compared to her.

[@TheUnstoppableBar]

Saying that a woman only placed this high on voting just because of her looks feels pretty sexist tbh. She sounded great, she danced great, had a catchy song and an entertaining performance. That’s why people loved it, no need to look for any other bs “reason”.

[@ESCxCan]

if it was by looks the results would have been different.

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

It wasn't looks, but us gays love a powerful woman with a dance break. However, Israel really didn't do it for me because Loreen is queen!!!

[@83cosdino]

His song was boring.

[@lb2419]

@@ESCxCan Loreen would've still won. Have you seen her?

[@joaonuno924]

I must have horrible music taste because my favourite songs went last, apart from England

[@gainal9080]

Can someone do the entire old voting style sequence?

[@ks4733]

Cyprus 9th yes❤

[@meli-loves-music]

OK first things first: We (Germany) have more points in the new system. So I prefer that because Germany deserved top 10 this year. So now I watch the rest of the video 😂

[@agn855]

Well, at least one professional has correctly predicted what was coming... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImsaHSVr5msp8km24s

[@rudoskudos4047]

Not me waiting for the day when a country can get 1000 points 👀

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

They can now, they just have to get all the 12 points from all juries and 12 points from all the public. This year we only had 37 countries but with Russia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Turkey, Luxembourg and Belarus there would be 45 countries meaning 540 from juries and 540 from public = 1080 points. But that will never happen

[@nicolegend9649]

@@S_H_A_R_N_I_E The maximum possible is 46 countries.

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

@@nicolegend9649 is that a rule?

[@nicolegend9649]

@@S_H_A_R_N_I_E Yes the maximum is 20 country in both semi-final + big5 + host.

[@S_H_A_R_N_I_E]

@@nicolegend9649 I guess that's to do with the length of the show?

[@Luca-hb5xs]

Okay I hated italy...isreal had the worse lyrics ever....norway and Finland got robbed...why always sweden? I don't get eurovision anymore....And germany was way better than half of the other songs...shame

[@sikaro48]

Because next year will be 50th anniversary of ABBA winning, so they wanna make it in Sweden 🌚

[@Sammy-il1qf]

I thought Norway was better too, if we're comparing female vocals and songs.

[@belagajdan]

Why sweden? The juries like songs that have deeper meanings. Finland's one didnt, it was a happy party song, nothing more really. And lets face it, Loreen was a tier above Käärja in the quality of singing. Ah, and I voted for Finland and wanted them to win btw, but I understand why Loreen won.

[@blikiyte1460]

@@sikaro48false

[@yasmin4494]

Israel's lyrics make sense once you understand she is singing about how Israel precieved in the world. Feeling like we are misunderstood and on our own, wanting to change the situation we are in, and Unicorn is a term for start-ups that are worth more then 1 billion dollars (something Israel is known to produce and makes our economy thrive despite the challenges we face)

[@fullstopdice]

Anyone saying Norway should of won is wrong, the grand final performance was worse than the semi final performance

[@toveh]

imo it's a good song and energy but the performance is just kinda boring

[@fullstopdice]

@toveh yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with this. She just wasn't giving what the song needed. What she did in the national final was what was needed here, but it just didn't come through

[@-eliaplayz-5766]

@@fullstopdice yeah it is a little sad that she wasn't able to perform as well as in her NF. Artists can have a/many bad day(s), but we all know how good Alessandra really is and it's just a bit unfortunate that we weren't able to see that during the Semis and Finals at ESC this year.

[@Dannyknuiman]

@@-eliaplayz-5766 i keeps still my favorite the songs is and should forever being a banger in my head when her vocal was better she should rank higher !

[@queeeeeee9797]

The same for Finland, with these vocals and with that joke song how it can be a winner of a SONG competition

[@sevadaharutyunyan4495]

Is this 2009-2012 system?

[@sevadaharutyunyan4495]

@@ESCxCan So we have all rankings? (I mean not only points) And if yes, where can I find it?

[@LVDvideo]

@@sevadaharutyunyan4495 eurovisionworld

[@reqwidy]

​@@ESCxCanplease explain how you voted at that time I can’t find it anywhere, thanks in advance

[@reformed_attempt_1]

​@@reqwidy I just installed the app and it told me

[@Dirkdebi]

@@ESCxCan what was it there

[@anukataja6805]

💚🎊🎉🥳🐛💃💃🕺🕺🍻🍹🍾🎶🎵Käärijä Cha Cha Cha.

[@filkane8942]

What's the difference with the 2009-2012 and the 2013-2015 system?

[@ESCxCan]

the way of calculating the points

[@filkane8942]

@@ESCxCan Can u explain?

[@ESCxCan]

@@filkane8942 in the old version the jury and televoting was combined to one score. the songs needed to be ranked from 1st to last place by each country. based on the final ranking they got by that the points were distributed.

[@jo.p1288]

How you can make this system? I have understand never 🧐

[@j.t.5178]

The fact that only the top 6 got more than 100 points clearly shows that the old system was very flawed when both sides are lopsided as hell. Well, I guess the silver lining this year is nobody got nul points in the final from either side. ...Now that I think about it, next year, I want at least 10 countries get 0 points from both sides...and Sweden to win again.

[@izotovuse]

my mission in life is to comment on every eurovision 2023 video saying SLOVENIA WAS ROBBED

[@andreasg.9997]

Poe❤🇦🇹

[@NoNo-ly5kf]

I don’t understand what the old voting system was what

[@user-wt7zu1eh4w]

Finland deserve first place🙏

[@september5671]

omg get over it you guys are exhausting

[@user-wt7zu1eh4w]

@@september5671 we can’t 💔Sweden won dishonestly

[@-EmmaBerglund-]

@@user-wt7zu1eh4w It’s the rules. If you don’t accept the rules then don’t participate in the contest. Simple. It’s not like it’s the first time the country with most televotes lost. You’ll have to get over it just like previous loosers did.

[@nix1090]

​@@user-wt7zu1eh4w dishonestly? ? ? Don't smoke crack

[@halla359]

@@user-wt7zu1eh4w Sweden won fair and square...

[@MyZimeCharts]

Whats the diffrence in the old voting system?

[@ESCxCan]

in the old voting system the jury and televoting were combined to one score. each country had to rank every song from 1st to last place. after that they had the final ranking and based on that the points were awarded.

[@sandrogigi5666]

Omg France 22nd..

[@CookyMonzta]

Well, at least Germany and the U.K. didn't get goose-egged! 🫣

[@eEeEeE3Ee]

BRO SERBIA AT 25??

[@AlexHusser]

Unpopular opinion but we need this system back asap it is way more balanced and yes it punishes some songs but makes a smaller gap overall AND you see that both Sweden and Finland were clear winners

[@lb2419]

I swear Käärijä stans wouldn't have started their hate train if this system was still in place because it looks nicer for Finland

[@mike8869]

ban the jurys

[@verybadguy4427]

At least juries placed Spain on 9th place

[@mike8869]

@@verybadguy4427 spain was great

[@esc_abi]

Televoting*

[@jaydentao]

@@mike8869 yea say thanks to the juries for saving them

[@fireice_]

completely disagree. The juries choose multiple countries whereas if it was just the pople it would just be between sweden and finland so no point in any other countries.

[@begonaperezmartinez2146]

El año pasado no gano suecia y este año noruega y asi seguimos con la pena de algunos no se puede ganar,no es justo😢

[@Hen1297]

Lo mismo pasó en 2015 y 2016 para mi Rusia debió ganar y en 2017 Italia y en 2018 Alemania, me alegra de que por fin este año ganó mi favorito

[@user-yu7ru8km4g]

1. This is the 2009-2012 voting system 2. U should have also included the rest of the world votes

[@raulciugudean5214]

Can someone please explain how did the old system work?

[@ESCxCan]

in the old voting system the jury and televoting was combined to one score. each country had to rank every song from 1st to last place. after that they had the final ranking and based on that the points were awarded.

[@avtomad722]

Once again it was like the scorebord should have been reversed, my favourites were at the bottom. I give up on this nonsensical sh*t show 🤣

[@Hen1297]

And the fact IS the public sinking good songs like Germany, Spain, Austria, Armenia 136 points the first and sexond place to the public is absurd

[@Elena-jn8ph]

Where can you find where the votes came from for the televote?

[@ESCxCan]

you can find the ranking of every country on eurovision.tv to get the averages for the old voting system.

[@nikossof7122]

What was the old voting system?

[@ESCxCan]

the old system was jury and televoting combined to one score. each country had to rank every song from 1st to last place. after that they had the final ranking and based on that the points were awarded

[@user-ne1xy3mh4n]

​@@ESCxCanhere you go for the 2024😊

[@inmita105]

Menudo bodrio!!!

[@andreea4569]

I prefer old system 😂

[@Ju5tThatSaraH]

Me too. It was much better.

[@RubyChiang]

Finland still wouldn't win. 💀 Cha Cha Cha fans need finally bury the hatchet.

[@Guitar_Lab]

So that means that a country can give max 12 points to a country while with the current system, max is 24. Am I right?

[@ESCxCan]

yes

[@bangladeshcountryball2826]

La Zarra would've been BOTTOM 5? I hate you Europe

[@Dickens58]

Awful no matter which we you sliced it this year.

[@simoncasteloesc]

SPAIN AND FRANCE BOTTOM??? Thanks to the new system

[@dididonna92]

My fav from 20 to last place 😂

[@danielwalker2445]

Liutunia 10

[@parishitegermain2936]

Currupt still with the sympathy vote for the part hosts 🙄🙄

[@d1sarmon1a]

Choke on your venom

[@DenDarEmi]

People being mad at the voting, me being mad bc Isreal is still allowed in ESC 🙃

[@TheUnstoppableBar]

Stay mad 🇮🇱

[@bunnyhop7441]

🇪🇺❤🇮🇱

[@negan3417]

as an Albanian i was a bit upset for Albina but how in the world Spain got so low!? To me it looks that Eurovision doesn't want to respect traditions anymore just gay, generic songs and all those "innovative fun bullshit songs"

[@meli-loves-music]

Spain is lower in the old system. One point for the old system 🎉

[@levrubinshteyn-qm6le]

Sorry what is old sistem?

[@laurentj6911]

you put together jury and televotes and you give 12 points to the 1st combined then 10 ...

[@CarmelJeanMadanguit]

I think it's the one that they combine the televotes and the jury score per country to determine who will get 12-1 pts. Unlike nowadays that televote and jury scores are separate

[@escrte]

@@AndyBondo No it’s not really since Sweden won lol

[@AndyBondo]

@@escrte Sweden won shit 😀

[@vicentgimeno98]

2009-2012 system?

[@darasullen8289]

2013-2015

[@ESCxCan]

2013-2015

[@vicentgimeno98]

@@ESCxCan Okey 😅 As the EBU has not yet published the results of the 11th-26th of juries, televoting and rest of the world, both in the final and in the semifinal. 🤥

[@ESCxCan]

nah it actually is 2009-2012

[@elisabethr-t2449]

umh the points aren´t right, Finland got most points...

[@ESCxCan]

in the televotes yes, but this is the old voting system.

[@dorianbrlic8632]

Croatia was robbed of top 5 smh

[@chawatronic]

If Croatia should not have reached the final.😅

[@strange144]

If I never have to hear Loreen again in my life, I'll be happy.

[@matanfarber]

Israelllll👑🇮🇱❤️🦄

[@marijajevtic8638]

Copy paste

[@OO-bx3vs]

These are NOT the results points !

[@ESCxCan]

as you can see in the title, these are the results with the old voting system.

[@sandydennylives1392]

Sweden was a cover version of V Plenu by Mika Newton. Nill points

[@mrjedidja]

I thought it was a poor cover of Euphoria.

[@karenporter4227]

They are not even close. It's laughable that people are trying to use this as an excuse to knock Sweden.

[@sandydennylives1392]

@@karenporter4227 She's singing a cover version, the ESC is solely for original song writing, with some allowances; Ukraine basing their '20 and '21 songs on old folk songs, but not a direct steal like this.Months ago there was an outcry when it was first released- 'Thats Mika Newton 's song! Stop! But they shamelessly carried on.

[@karenporter4227]

@@sandydennylives1392 Finland has also been accused of plagiarizing Electric Callboy, which is also laughable, and those songs are closer in terms of sounding similar.

[@sandydennylives1392]

@@karenporter4227 Bunch of dirty rotten plagiarizers at the top.It's Ha Cha Cha at the tattooist all-round. I shall forbid a note from either excretion from my ears from this day forth.