EV pollution is WORSE than ICE cars... Why is this NOT GOOD NEWS?

So it turns out that pollution from EV tyres and brakes is far worse than ICE cars. Hooray! But hang on a minute... If we're saying this now, what comes next?
In this video Geoff explains why now is not the time to start bashing EVs for being big, dirty, polluting wastes of lithium. There's more to this than that.
Read the original article here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...

[@donk1822]

Consider this possibility. Nobody could be running things this badly unless they are doing it on purpose!

[@mrgoodman6620]

This is an undeniable fact! The problem is, so many people are of the mindset, that the government are acting in good faith, know best and wouldn't ever be trying to break society for some conspiratorial agenda! So make sure you don't grow any of your own food... because it's more eco friendly to drive to the shop and buy processed versions that come with packaging, extra transport, refrigeration and infrastructure energy emissions and on top of that you have to pay for it! Oops did I say the quiet part out loud? NO I PUT IT IN WRITING!!

[@markjackson8035]

Sadly, I believe it's simply because this government (along with most of the previous iterations of the past 50 years) have, to quote the pioneering John Stapp, a woeful aptitude for ineptitude. Very little of what they do has any real long term purpose or value.

[@markjackson8035]

@@mrgoodman6620 The aliens are coming Mr. G!

[@mrgoodman6620]

@@markjackson8035 That's not how you spell it, and technically it's spawning. But don't tell me, I'm not the cleaner.

[@markjackson8035]

@@mrgoodman6620 But I bet you know who really shot JFK.

[@Bobjlow]

If electric vehicles worked, governments around the world wouldn’t be having to force people to buy them.

[@daleskidmore1685]

And the governments would be using them too.

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Just like the jab

[@fredmercury1314]

It's not because they want you to drive EVs. It's because they want you to not drive.

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

@@fredmercury1314this.

[@st-ex8506]

NO government in the world is FORCING people to buy EVs. If you don't agree, please list the countries that do! Inversely, I know countries with ZERO government subsidies, in which EVs sell like hot cakes... like mine, Switzerland. I bought my Model 3 at full price!

[@cnursery]

Years ago, my father reckoned that one day they'll meter the very air you breathe and tax you on it. Not long to go now.

[@andygozzo72]

dont give them ideas!!!!

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

Thankfully, we can still plant trees and plants so we can still create our own ecospheres

[@ZionistJew-oj1bo]

Bill Gates Carbon tax, CO2

[@ianbelletti6241]

Already happening with the carbon taxes.

[@ZionistJew-oj1bo]

@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse You're Wrong, Bill Gates will exterminate you

[@grahamsmith8091]

It has been obvious for a few years , the object of the exercise is to stop personal transport.

[@remyllebeau77]

Agenda 2030. They want to make Americans mostly live in huge cities and kick others off their land if they are in the wrong spot. A few wildfires are great for moving people.

[@altern8tive]

It's an excuse to enforce a tyre particulate tax on every motorist

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

Especially motorcycles, Honda Fireblade litre bike can go through a tyre every 3,000 miles, hope government doesn't read this

[@KennethBilverstone]

@@user-or4hs7xq9uTo late you have told them now😂

[@barriewilliams4526]

@@user-or4hs7xq9u Yes, but bike tyres do not have much tread on them to start with....

[@keithhooper6123]

I saw that coming

[@JupiterThunder]

Just wait for road tax to be rated on tyre particulate emissions. It's Gordon Brown's diesel scam all over again - coral everyone into getting a diesel due to lower CO2, then announce they are terrible with particulates and WHAM slap a new tax on them

[@5ebra1]

Just living will be banned soon - No personal mobility, no fossil fuel, no gas cookers, don’t eat meat, don’t breathe as it creates CO2, don’t have children. If these banners get their way life won’t be much fun.

[@Corey-mm7jw]

The extreme minority who decide on these diktats see the average person as worse than cattle. Unfortunately the problem isn't only authorities who push this nonsense; it's the masses of do-gooders who gleefully cheerlead step-after-step of misery-inducing red-tape. Despite what we're taught in school, democracy is just tyranny without a shot-caller to hold responsible. Instead we have an ever-shifting amorphous blob, accountable to no one. We have a problem of mass-dejection. The government will go as far as we let it, and we're letting it go pretty far. Sorry to be *that* guy, but I think we're already done for. Even when we make seemingly small victories (like stopping legislation) it's just incorporated later, unnoticed, as part of some other bill, or while people are distracted by the superbowl or whatever. The only real answer is something that's ridiculed ad-nauseum (surprise surprise). It's in the knowledge that the only thing that actually matters is your eternal soul, and with that comes a total adherence to the truth, however unpleasant and (at times) isolating.

[@TachyonDriver]

Ah.. but the banners themselves are contributing by the fact that they are living too!

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Define "soon", because I'm not seeing much that's not 'now' in your examples.

[@annap7678]

According to the now-destroyed Georgia Guidestones, which were based on U.N. guidelines (a.k.a. Agenda 2030-product of the multi-billionaire globalist oligarchs), the goal is to reduce the world’s population by around 15/16 (7.5 billion people, give or take) and maintain it at or below 500 million. The achievement of this aim would make these globalist powers-that-should-not-be MUCH more comfortable, and the world wouldn’t have to have all these wars, pandemics, and other such forms of birth reduction. “Be fruitful and multiply” is not on the agenda of the WEF, the UN, or the current crop of global oligarchs who pretend to care about the well-being of humanity.

[@joelv4495]

Meanwhile the houthi just sunk a cargo ship filled with fertilizer into the Red Sea and the environmental mafia was totally silent!

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

They used to (back in the early 1900’s) make filament light bulbs that lasted “forever”, but then the MBAs running these companies realised they were running out of customers, so they began making a worse product that would intentionally fail after a few 1000 hours. Ever get the feeling the same thing is happening in the automotive manufacturing sector?

[@andyworsley3908]

You're right. If they wanted them to last forever they'd make the bodywork out of stainless steel. Somebody did, back in the 30's, Mercedes I think and the majority of those cars are still running.

It's called planned obsolescence. Why make something that lasts when you can design it to wear out and need replacing?

[@jeremyashford2145]

You speak my language. Light bulbs. Shrink the glass envelope, which makes it hotter, and burns out the filament earlier. Chinese got into the game and made bulbs really cheap so they started making fancier looking bulbs then used, bs environmentalist arguments to replace them with more expensive, less healthy, more polluting compact fluros, ridiculous halogens, and poorly designed, evil, LED things.

[@robina.jensen6114]

It was 1500 hours. They paid a tax to the other manufacturers if they made a bulb with more burn hours. So it was possible to get them but almost no one wanted to buy them.

[@stephenbrough8132]

@@robina.jensen6114 My Dad had a 5 watt bulb in the downstairs loo that he must have had 40 or 50 years because it was so dim, you could go right up to it and read the printed details on it. In the 70's I tried selling lightbulbs door to door when I was a bit desperate for ways to make a living and the supplier I was buying them off reckoned that if your voltage was 10% over the nominal voltage the life of the lamp would be halved - he may have even said 5%, I forget exactly but it was no more than 10% I;m sure - not that the nominal voltage should exceed 10% anyway - (-6 / +10% if I remember right up to about 1988, UK, that is - + or - 10% now I think since they changed the nominal voltage to 230 from 240V) I think that supplier also reckoned they fail sooner if not suspended vertically as intended - He could have been making all this up though for all I know.

[@danproctor9771]

Governments all need to get the hell out of our way. Support the farmers/truckers 🇨🇦

[@The_Blessed_Cowboy]

Ah yes! The failed dreams of Mice and Men. It would be nice if someone told Trudeau about the rabbits.

[@chrisktm2010]

The best way to stop emissions coming out the back of the car is to put the exhaust out to the side

[@tonyhodgkinson4586]

Tax doesn't save the planet.

[@PeteH0121]

No, but it allows MPs to do things which large companies want to be don, which in turn leads to certain "benefits" finding their way into the pockets of various MPs. That's far more important to the average MP than just about anything else - though of course they would all deny it.

[@b0rg1010]

But it takes politicians very rich indeed.

[@TheNyhm1]

But it makes politicians richer and that’s all they care about😂

[@bentullett6068]

Also i noticed it didn't mention the particular matter coming from the London Underground system which apparently should have ventilation to extract all of those particulate pollution nasties out of the tunnels.

[@keithhooper6123]

It's spread,at low level,over central London.Khan,where's that pollution from?(not cars).

[@user-wc2xf3fj6l]

Yeah. Sue kaaaaahn!😮

[@smoath]

Maaaaaaate

[@TachyonDriver]

Mr. Khan appears to purposefully ignore the air quality taking a swan dive at every tube station entrance at street level. I guess he can't try and levy charges against the Underground for ULEZ...

[@billyminto4969]

Tyre wear is a little bit higher in EVs but not brakes (due to regen braking using reverse-spin of the motors, rather than brakes to slow down). I owned a Tesla Model S for 2 years. That had done 79k miles on the original discs and pads, with plenty of wear left.

[@bentuffin6357]

End goal is nothing at all, don’t forget. Need to get rid of everything!

[@anthonypert574]

Especially government clowns

[@johnelliott9415]

And the planet 🌎 ha ha

[@rickybrocklehurst5800]

Including them.

[@16blockheads]

WEF "You'll own nothing and be happy! " 🤣😂🤣

[@Tekspert]

Including humans, when the robots can do all our jobs

[@JohnD-JohnD]

Heavier cars = More wear on the roads = more pollution from road maintenance. Cars that are totaled when the battery fails or gets damaged = more pollution in making a replacement car. Manufacturing the EV batteries is very bad for the environment. It's "greener" to manufacture an ICE car than an EV.

[@SimTrackDays]

On Point👏

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

Not after 5 years of the cars life!

[@kenc8359]

It's also greener to hold on to one's vehicle for as long as possible instead of replacing every 3-4 years. I'm still the first owner of my Subaru Liberty (Legacy) GT Wagon MY2003, no major issues after 250,000 km. All original parts except for upgraded struts.

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

@@kenc8359 Except, how many oil changes has it had? How many brake pads / disks has it had? Has it not had a new exhaust system? You must have had a least one new Cambelt in that time! How many new belts, gaskets, oil filters, air filters, fuel filters etc. etc. you are correct about keeping cars longer. I kept my Citroen Picasso for thirteen years and my last car, a Citroen C3 for 9 years but changed them both when the annual services and general maintenance started to get, increasingly, more expensive because of their age.

[@cp4512]

Heavier cars also need more energy to move them.

[@tyrantwitness2482]

The reason we are going through so many tyres is potholes! Bloody large ones everywhere!

[@BusbyTreeSurgery]

i think most bikers would tell you acceleration is the killer of tyres , six weeks of treating the road like a race track and it is new tyres sprockets and chain.

[@pkuudsk9927]

Shut up keep that quite or next they will be coming for us.. These EV's need special tiers and they cost a fortune, I install them and know. E bikes are worse and limited choices. Fools who try normal tires tend to fall more and drive up insurance cost for us all. Next you will have cops checking your tires. Less government and more 2 wheel freedom .

[@javelinXH992]

Acceleration forces at the contact between road and tire are what affects wear most. That is in all directions - forward-backward (acceleration and deceleration), but also side to side (sharper cornering at higher speeds). EVs tend to have more torque available leading to increased wear on acceleration compared to most ICE. How you brake is up to the user in either type of car, as is how you corner. Other factors that come in to play are speed and weight, mainly as they act as multipliers to the accelerations mentioned above. The most significant factor in tyre wear is the drivers behaviour and the nature of their regular routes. How many corners and how fast they are taken.

[@dortkommendieclowns1474]

They came to the same conclusions in Amsterdam a few years ago EV cars produce more dust.

[@jameschambers6975]

Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine. It is a Tesla coil. The sun and the moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electromagnetic levitation that disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the firmament. Nikola Tesla. Genesis 1:14-18 KJV

[@andylewis7360]

@@jameschambers6975🤪

[@charliejackman2953]

And hot air

[@1A9lis]

If we assume that it’s a way of generating tax , it would be a bit pointless to stop people using them . Same goes for the theory of non car ownership , those who want all the money can’t really have it both ways . If we don’t generate the income in the first place , the system will eventually will be self defeating . The power over nothing syndrome , which like the famous bird that eventually disappears up its own ar….

[@aperitifs]

And more background noise pollution.. from the tyres moving down a road holding the battery weight .

[@donkeynuts75]

Science seems open to the highest bidder.

[@davep3969]

Science lives in a completely difference universe to the Daily Mail, and that's a fact.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Always has been, for a very long time. Science needs funding; that funding will only be available if the funders can see a purpose to it - and those with truly philanthorpic/intellectual curiosity are far outnumbered by the corporate funding channels (including Military, such as NIH funding). Same thing with climate 'studies' which are frequently based on modelling using bizarre extreme parameters, and not using existing records and evidence such as ice and soil samples to provide baselines. Even going back centuries, we can look at Edison/Tesla, Columbus being funded in his expedition by the Spanish to steal a march on the Portuguese & British, Lewis & Clark - all was commercially driven fields of exploration and scientific study.

[@jlspracher]

It can be. I've heard that new ideas don't really take hold until the old guard for the ideas that preceded it have retired/died.

[@robbeales5516]

Or the biggest fool 😊

[@donkeynuts75]

@@robbeales5516 90% of the western population then.

[@eyeswideopen...]

I'm suprised that the article does not also state that EV's are safe and effective. That statement would definitely have alot of merit coming from MSM as we have seen.

[@markorourke5901]

Safe Lol, so many fires it is not funny at all and there is no real chassis to hold the car together, the huge battery that is the size of the whole floor pan and is hanging off the shell, have a look online at how many completely destroy on impact or they usually catch on fire. be very careful putting your family in an inferno.

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

@@markorourke5901Yep, over 20 times LESS fires than ICE cars! Do check facts before regurgitating cr*p from those anti EV clickbait grifters.

[@Dogooddontbesilly]

It may be 20% at rest, but at speed its a different kettle of frogs (fourth power)

[@stevezodiac491]

My EV is 8 years old, done only 39k miles and has lost 33% range and battery capacity and getting towards the end of it's life of acceptible range left. My nearly 16 year old E Class diesel still has a range of 650 miles brimmed, does 51 mpg on a run, in perfect condition and has years of useful life in it. Enough said ! Another interesting fact is most of the 'tar' in tarmac is bitumen, which can be found in nature as a semi-solid form of petrol; but it is more commonly a bi-product of crude oil production by distillation. Surely when this breaks down it releases carcinogens into the atmosphere as inhalable particulates ? Answer :- Tar bitumens are classifiable as the pyrolysis products of organic materials and are applied hot. Depending on the temperature used there are emissions of various intensities of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), some of which are carcinogenic. So shouldn't councils be paying ' emmissions based ' Road tax '. lol.

[@problemchild1976]

I call BS

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

@@problemchild1976 Me too. Marvellous, all theses anti EV types seem to own 15 year old diesels and they drive them for 600 miles non stop.

[@gavinminion8515]

Interestingly, the study quoted in the article was US based and didnt consider Diesel engines.

[@Richard482]

What EV?

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

@@Richard482 The one in his imagination.

[@aitchpee5069]

The obvious thing to do (for the government) would be to tax heavy cars but that would be beneficial to poorer people and to older cars, can't do that.

[@R56TurboCharged]

Did paper straws not save the planet enough?🤣

[@mlee6050]

I'm tempted to literally buy a metal pipe or tube so I get a decent size straw that isn't paper or bulk buy plastic straws

[@wisher21uk]

They’re ok if the don’t go soggy and fall apart before you finish your drink, you have no chance with a McDonald’s milkshake though

[@MyScottyboy1]

No, it was banning aerosol underarm deodorant that closed the ozone layer. Paper straws saved the mad cows from catching Aids.

[@mlee6050]

@@wisher21uk you do, often 5 minutes or less though

[@mlee6050]

@@MyScottyboy1 banning? I still use the spray deodorant, more to cover up when don't shower but as I don't believe it stops you from smelling anyway but just covers it up, even if people say it stops you from smelling or sweating as much

[@user-ye1pb3fh9p]

It wasn’t long ago the government was telling people diesels were the less polluting vehicles now the are the devils child, I actually don’t care if anybody wants to blow their money on a dead duck but I think the gov should tax them as any car they use the same roads and as you know go through tyres far faster than ice car, I’m happy with my RR sport that on a run I managed 45mpg and didn’t have to stop once to refuel.😁

[@johnelliott9415]

Exactly that

[@problemchild1976]

Diesels are more efficient so produce less CO2 BUT then they produce more particulates that gets emitted into the air. And Nox.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

All tax is theft.

[@Dashdecent]

Better for the global environment, worse for the local environment.

[@problemchild1976]

@@Dashdecenttotally the opposite Diesel particulates are the worst And we hate seeing kids sniffing nitrous balloons yet we don't mind our cars pumping into the air we all breathe. As for brake pad dust - EVs produce very little as most braking is done without using pads and discs

[@garethjudd5840]

Meanwhile Hertz rental cars are currently selling off all their EVs for petrol and diesel vehicles. I wonder why?

[@kevinashurst634]

because dickheads keep crashing them

[@justgetatesla]

All? Not remotely true. Some. The ones trashed by Uber drivers. Now that they have stopped that contract. Who told you “all”? Wasn’t Hertz…

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@justgetatesla hertz released a statement a few weeks ago saying they were selling of their entire fleet of electric vehicles due to unreliability and too many complaints.

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

Because ‘renters’ do not look after them.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 but they don't look after petrol or diesel cars either

[@reinhardtkk]

It’s heading to a place they’ve been planning the whole time. A carless society

[@markwilson2069]

Jeez, relax. No-one's coming for your car. They'll be around long after we're dead and buried.

[@n.cooper9758]

Wacko conspiracy theorist lmao

[@pda49184]

Yet another road leading to the return of Feudalism for us, but not for the rich and privileged.

[@raymondo162]

s'funny innit - politicians seem to favour the V8 range rover........................ ??

[@pda49184]

@@raymondo162 They're a bunch of hypocrites .. Rules for thee, but not for me.

[@barriewilliams4526]

By that measure, trucks are much, much worse than cars, (whatever propels them) and what with internet shopping etc, there are far more trucks (which are 99% diesel) on the road than ever. Like cruise liners, no one seems to worry about the big polluters, it's the little guy they seem to target all the time🤔

[@hamshackleton]

and look at the filth a diesel railway locomotive chucks out of it's exhaust!

[@robk1003]

​@hamshackleton Yes, all railways should be electrified. Trains are one type of EV which does work better than the diesel version.

[@anthony208]

Your premiss is partly correct, in simple terms the heavier the vehicle the more it will wear components and road surfaces. But there are less lorries than cars on uk roads and lorries and vans have weight limits, generally the heavier weight the more axles and/or wheels the vehicle has, axle weights are limited to 18 tonnes in uk and lorries gross vehicle weight is typically 40t although this was raised to 48t quite a while ago now.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@robk1003 still can't feckin run on time though.

[@charliejackman2953]

@@robk1003 How is the electricity being generated for the trains? I doubt it's more efficient than a train with it's own ICE

[@jonathangibson3786]

So are we to see a ban on all non-essential vehicle use? Such vehicles that are renowned for excessive tyre wear...say like Formula 1? If the pollution is that bad, then all those spectators should be due a pretty penny in compensation, given that they would not have been informed of the risk of sitting trackside. Cue..."Have you been affected by a motorsport event, then call now".

[@johnelliott9415]

Or maybe that’s going to be banned next 😮

[@triumphstagdriver]

Fairly sure motor racing tickets have a disclaimer that motorsport can be dangerous and you attend at your own risk. I have certainly seen it on many tickets I have bought and used.

[@ksztyrix]

Yes, this is the goal of communist. No private car ownership. Then no private ownership of anything at all

[@matthewjenkins1161]

According to Carfolio, the kerb weight of a 1969 Renault 10 is just 792kg.

[@sladehelicoptersgaming3148]

So if we pay road and fuel tax in normal cars , we should get priority over electric vehicles on roads and car parks ! 😂

[@anglosaxon5874]

As a former senior nurse [cardio-thoracic surgery HDU] of 26 years before becoming a train driver and now retired. This scare tactic about 'can cause cancer' is total BS. Yes there are 'trigger' components, but no one is a text book and all our bodies react slightly differently. People can smoke heavy and not get lung cancer whilst other smoking only 1-2 a day could get it. It's to do with genes/lifestyle/diet/exercise etc. that plays a role. Cancer levels have gone down since the scam but heart problems up. Eat healthy and exercise and take vit D3 will combat the vast majority of illnesses.

[@johnelliott9415]

Okay that’s interesting so vitamin D 3 will make a note of that 😊

[@anglosaxon5874]

@@johnelliott9415Yes it is a very important vitamin [if not the most] as it plays a role in the bones/teeth/muscle/brain/immune system and plays a part in a lot of chemical reactions essential for the body. Over 80% of the world's population is deficient in it!

[@Norfolkbiker50]

Yep, my dad, heavy smoker, hard drinker, lived on fry ups and died at 86. His sister, non smoker, only drank occasionally and dropped dead at 57.

[@standonald5145]

It's all in your genetic make up , eat good food, take vitamins, get a dog and do a lot of walking .

[@2760ade]

That's all common sense, but the present government don't deal in common sense do they!!

[@orsoncart802]

Spot on, Geoff! Your suspicions are correct - that’s exactly the game here. 👍👍👍

[@AngusSibbet-jg9fj]

You're right Geoff, they're after us independent vehicle owners, and will keep adjusting their angle of attack. There still seems to be little mention of commercial vehicles in all this, but perpetuating much needless consumerism perhaps outweighs any false green agenda. To reduce our tyre wear emissions I think we need to perhaps start using our tracked vehicles more.....

[@BusbyTreeSurgery]

oh look at that another brand new reason for heart attacks .

[@johnelliott9415]

And the jab

[@homeistheearth]

I see what you did there 😂

[@homeistheearth]

​@@johnelliott9415of course not, the jab is literally saving two person for every one who is jabbed!! It literally bringing grandma killed by anti vaxxers breathing back to life!!

[@davidiand7]

Then we hear that you can buy a diesel car and drive it for 80-100k km before it will have the carbon footprint of a new EV. They failed to mention the emissions from the power stations which power the EV, then there is the issue of batteries, recycling and bursting into flames. Also check out the morons on the TV adverts singing and dance because they sold their car?! They were probably ripped off, so where are the adverts showing people celebrating buying a car? They don’t want you to own a car!

[@iankuah8606]

"They" can go to Hell!

[@rotteneffekt4416]

And then people buy a new car at 100k.

[@Kaylee911]

If we are on the route to having less cars, it seems crazy that last year my husband had to drive 40 miles a day for his cancer treatment for 25 days!!

[@Disgracefoold]

One painful truth to ponder: No car manufacturer in the UK today is British owned! Why? In part because British car enthusiasts rather ridicule amazing emerging technologies, than acknowledge the dire straights the UK car manufacturing sector is in! This (former) Anglophile very sad…

[@jonathanrennie1379]

no nationalisation of the British car industry destroyed it who was the party that did that then was it labour

[@josephtaylor3769]

Why do you think lorry’s have blow outs, now imagine a blow on a EV and it crashes and sets itself to destruct mode 🤔

[@CenturionKenshin]

I thought all EVs have self destruction button somewhere under the drive panel... :)

[@josephtaylor3769]

@@CenturionKenshin No it’s on the big tablet in the middle it’s called life’s not worth living mode, you can set your cremation level 👍

[@mr-wx3lv]

So! What is the alternative? Is public transport, which also uses tyres, brakes, emissions of one kind or another going to up their game and take people to work, or are we going to just find local jobs that we're going to have walk or cycle to?? Thing is , we're going backwards here. Back in the nineteenth century, they used horse and carts to get around. Is that the future?? 😮 😅😅

[@raymondo162]

i had an amusing convo one time with the press officer of the Road Haulage Assc. she had done a calculation assuming all London deliveries were made by horse and cart. the calculation showed the resulting tonnage of horsey doo doos to be nowt short of hilarious. Sue Moody !!

[@Crosshatch1212]

And the materials to make it .one car costs two kids

[@noelward8047]

???

[@cloudbasenirvana]

@@noelward8047 ICE car vehicle = ave 50mpg EV car = ave 2 dead child cobalt slave miners/minors per battery

[@yarrik701]

​@@noelward8047 I'm assuming that would be the child labor associated with raw materials that are used to manufacture EVs, though probably more so for the EV batteries.

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

Give us the facts (proof) of that ridiculous statement.

[@yarrik701]

@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 you mean like the reporting about, say the cobalt mines in the Congo? Dude, you're on KZbin, just search, you don't have to be spoon fed everything.

[@Treehuntor]

If EVs were a thing we would already be driving around in them , the charging infrastructure would already be there and the power stations would have already upgraded the power cables and pylons and transformer substations to cope.

[@standonald5145]

Yes I have to say that your spot on rite, There has been a great lack of thought put into all of this , The idiotic local authorities, and The Three people attempting to run britain, ie him in Westminster , the jakie in Wales and the clown in holyrood NONE of them are fit to run a market stall , BUT what they are all good at is being very manipulative, interfering, cunning, lying, devious, and its all about keeping the working man and woman down and in there place , I remember a certain individual who said let's all move to Diesel cars as they are less polluting than petrol cars , and the return more mileage than petrol cars , That was just a ploy to get rid of older petrol cars off the roads , so moving on NOW they want to get rid of Diesel ENGINE cars as well and have us all driving about in CRAP TESLAS with a battery that weighs more than the car and has a VERY short life span AND IS THOUSANDS TO REPLACE, And if you cant afford to pay for a new battery YOUR GUBBED . START AGAIN NEW CAR. How fkn DEVIOUS is all of that, another way of getting drivers off the roads, AND FULL ON BATTERY CARS DO WEAR OUT TYRES AS THEY ARE MUCH HEAVERY THAN A PETROL OR A DIESEL CAR, UNTIL YOU GET UP TO THE 4X4 RANGE .

[@composedlight6850]

Micro plastic from car tires is the one thing no one talks about. The washing of micro plastic into water courses is a serious problem .

[@adenwellsmith6908]

EV cars and vehicles damage the roads because of their increased weight. Hence they should pay 200% of the equivalent car's rate in VED.

[@TheLiamis]

Ved is an exhaust pipe tax. Council tax is what pays for roads now.

[@markjackson8035]

So by that metric a Caterham 620R should pay one third as much road tax as a diesel Golf and an electric Transit van should pay the same as a 5 litre supercharged Range Rover. Interesting system.

[@donkeynuts75]

​@@TheLiamisallegedly.

[@rprodgers1]

⁠@@TheLiamiscouncil tax doesn’t fund roads. The councils are given funding by central government who get this money from us through direct taxation- mainly income tax. Council tax in any case is a much smaller proportion of council’s funding than its government grants.

[@alf3071]

also more torque at the wheels

[@user-ww5oc9bh1e]

Excellent points. Our governments have turned on us and no longer represent what we want. Time for us all to alter the way we vote. Minor parties need to be considered.

[@raymondo162]

proportional representation ??

[@philvxr78]

HI Geoff, i have just bought a herd of horses, just trying to be one step in front for when they ban cars. i am opening a garage and they can come with extras like leather and you can choose the colour and what size shoes you want. it will be called pony and trap.

[@glynnepritchard2526]

A number of decades ago, a black top was proposed to be used on motorways. This new system allowed water to pass through, it produced less tyre noise, it was safer during wet weather. As usual the government sent this proposal out to all the stack holders. The largest complaint was from the police who wanted a less safe tarmac with lots of spray to slow cars down... 'we' didnt use that new asphalt. I have lots of examples of the Association of chief police orifices where they have lied, one which I had removed from Hansard

[@johnelliott9415]

But we get plenty of rainfall

[@AI-Records24]

They put the wrong type of road down on a motorway near me and ended up having to redo the whole thing because of how many crashes it caused, it was like ice.

[@thepuddlejumper500]

They have used this type of surface extensively in Scotland. Under heavy rainfall it ponds and we get signs telling us to be aware of the ponding.

[@glynnepritchard2526]

@@thepuddlejumper500 ponding is due to poor construction and lack of maintenance. There should be an appropriate fall incase the surface blocks.

[@thepuddlejumper500]

@@glynnepritchard2526 Not necessarily a road design has a specific fall and the open texture of the surfacing has a maximum runoff value now if the intensity of the rainfall is greater then ponding will occur.

[@wazza33racer]

Myself, I have spent over 30 years in Australia's long distance, road transport industry........heavy combinations in the outback mostly. What operators have noticed, is that tyre wear is half the rate of wear on high quality freeways than it is on Australia's regional,rough,narrow bitumen roads. There is also less fuel used per km,wear and tear on suspension, brakes etc. Emissions have decreased drastically over the last 40 years on both cars and heavy trucks......of all kinds. The new Achates 2 stroke engine being made by Cummins diesel was CARB tested in California a few years ago and showed 25% lower fuel consumption on diesel and had almost completely eliminated NOx etc. So, we can expect further improvements which makes EV's completely moot, they will never catch up once the Achates engine comes to gasoline cars (60% reduction in fuel consumption) and diesels. Its a scandal that it has not been accepted more quickly.

[@Groov3lab]

We never hear them talking about trucks... I suppose money is made with trucks transporting our essentials 🤨

I'm sure it was an unintentional pun, Geoff, but your 'resurfaced' article made me smile. I live in rural North Norfolk, and there are several local roads round here that could do with resurfacing!

[@zitzong]

Ban the sale of new electric cars!

[@Denise-vn8wz]

Absolutely. They're draining all the electricity grids at the cost of houses and businesses.

[@brkbtjunkie]

People that want them should buy them, people that don’t want them shouldn’t have to. That’s why freedom to choose is the way to go.

[@mikeflynn4373]

What about aircraft landing and taking off?

[@barriewilliams4526]

Shhh, don't want to upset the jet set😂

[@Ifitwerks]

I think you'll find that's a different science 🤣

[@rob19632]

They have to scrape the rubber off the runways every night

[@stevencorrea8032]

80,000 ton semi truck

[@mikeflynn4373]

@@Ifitwerks Tyres are tyres🤣🤣🤣

[@vikinglife6316]

If I had to walk to work it would take me 16 hours one way

[@peterpage7322]

Nice comment about the condition of the roads and potholes! 👏👏👏👏

[@AndrewTSq]

I do not believe this, since 90% of a EV's life is standing still next to a charger ;D

[@raymondo162]

HA HA HA. V V FUNNY VV TRUE !!

[@n.cooper9758]

Ok and 90% of your ICE is sitting in your garage... Same as an EV except you can charge it in your garage. Most people don't go further than 300 miles or whatever the range is per charge per day. So its just the same as a gas car. If you do have to charge it'll take 20ish minutes for 200 miles depending on the car. That's not much time.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@n.cooper9758 i drive atleast 150km per day and can not charge at home. Nearest public charger is $0.8/kwh good luck making that economical good

[@yoof01]

I just can’t see how tyres and brakes can be all that bad. I mean we literally eat a few millimetres of tread over a few years before they need replacing… each car is not that polluting, and brake dust is a similarly heavy particle, surely a soil problem rather than an air problem - but the trees still grow by the roads, thereby cleaning the air - so I call bs on this study.

[@nonotorious1467]

It's very simple, heavier = more wear, that goes for the roads aswell.

[@mlee6050]

Trees don't do much, the oceans clean way more air than trees ever will

[@martindixon54]

@@mlee6050 Yeah, the old "trees are the lungs of the planet" crap. Let's just pretend that algae in the oceans don't produce ~95% of the oxygen in our atmosphere, and that grasses and shrubs don't produce most of the other ~5%.

[@CW-om2qq]

It's because that wear from millions of tyres (and brakes) produces small particulates (PM2.5), just like burning diesel in an ICE. PM2.5 and less are carcinogens and affect breathing. Been known and publicised for years, but dismissed in the UK. EV shouldn't be worse, maybe even better due to regen braking, than an ICE SUV with regard to tyres, brakes and road wear. But you're not getting engine emissions as well with an EV.

[@frizzlefry5904]

I was chatting to a car breakers operative yesterday, he said, we don't want e.v's, can't break open the battery packs and if you do they are worthless for scrap let alone storeage.

[@aperitifs]

In Australia in Victoria this month ,our Solar Feed in tariff dropped by another 38%.. and it was only 5.5cents before that drop.. solar feed in was as high as 60cents decades ago.. I think that dropping the rate that low while charging us 35cents per kwh is going to Force people to get Energy storage systems.. Massive Lithium battery .. that will need replacement in 10 years .. So they are forcing people to get batteries that will end as toxic waste ...

[@Cashyonyt]

Studies aren’t done as most funding is government money, and they don’t want to fund a study against what they want. It’s not just tires and brakes. It’s the wear on roads. Estimates say they wear out 22% faster now with maybe 10-13% EVs. The impact on resurfacing those roads, the wear on these cars, the batteries and life spans, the lack of renewables to charge and so many other factors. It’s simply impossible for an EV car to be better by any measure that makes it worthwhile.

[@cameronjohnston5748]

It's got ridiculous how petty they have become, exactly just what doesn't have a connection back to oil in some way.

[@davemonday5381]

The only place I’ve ever smelled pungent rubber is bus stations and in hot foreign cities. Tyres wear a lot less on wet roads. Like Britain.

[@johnennis4586]

How long before we have cars like the Flintstones, are they gonna tax reebok classics for the tread wear?

[@user-lt2zo7hr7n]

We have them now and they out delivering parcels no doors on them no heater in them and dumb kid school leavers pedaling ,caveman shit we seeing in the 21st century

[@paulellery5904]

Silica used in tyre construction is also used in abrasive wheels , this will be the next big killer after asbestos .

[@karllelliott681]

I said all of this from the start after researching the basic facts about EV vehicles. All those years ago but no-one seemed to listen or care.

[@markdixon5714]

So Fred Flintstone had it right years ago no engine brakes or tyres . 🤔

[@kingarthur1776]

40 yrs ago they said we would have flying cars by now..we're way behind schedule

[@ambiencelectronica]

I’m going to use Organic brake pads..

[@davidhaygarth648]

Ones made of dried grass from China ?

[@ambiencelectronica]

Yep, them ones.

[@jimrichards3916]

How many MP's drive EV's? That should answer a lot of questions about whether they are any good!

[@kevinashurst634]

quite a lot look it up

[@russcattell955i]

Rather, do any government ministers not ride the official executive car ?

[@jayyelland8289]

​@@kevinashurst634 so your saying quite a few MPs are moronic?? 😂😂😂

[@simonbroddle754]

"We used to drive on the left side of the road, now we drive on what's left of the road!" Saw this on X recently, thought it was spot on.

[@philiplindley7384]

I've missed the fence, it's such a steady presence in this constantly changing world.

[@deannagoldston4276]

How I miss my Astra van! When I changed down from 3rd to 2nd to over take the cloud was like a 50's stream engine that left both lanes on a dual carriage way as if they were entering a war zone, happy days...

[@chrisbarron5861]

The issue with tyre emissions, is because tyres contain upto 250 different compounds and there are absolutely no regulations on compounds which can be used in tyres. The fear is that some manufacturers will just throw in unregulated compounds as a way of getting rid of industrial waste.

[@cornishhh]

I just got an advert for a Jaguar F Pace.

[@donaljamescaddye3805]

My Fabia is 1316kgs - Traction off, back up then select first while the car is rolling back, full rev, drop clutch and pull the handbrake tight and mavel at the toxic smoke generated by the tyres oh yes and the soot from the tailpipe.

[@markorourke5901]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing, The softer a tire is the better it sticks to the road but a softer tire wears out faster than a hard rubber tire.

[@whitehart11]

Tyre wear probably depends on driving style as well

[@johnelliott9415]

Definitely does, as I noticed the younger generation don’t understand gear change to slow down, as it’s always breaks only, and this is taught during the lessons and before the driving test. Plus, this is apparent with all automatic vehicles as well .

[@16blockheads]

I went to Asda and I heard this car engine screaming, it was an old dear backing out of a parking spot, pity the poor clutch!😂

[@Thesomersetgimp]

As a keen drifter I think we should play this one down and let them have it.

[@Dat_Sun]

I think my 70's Datsun is the long life tire champion.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

Motorcycles will be hit hard as motorcycle tyres (can be) softer than car tyres and can need replaced at intervals of 3 to 8 thousand miles

[@richardbryant7505]

I can easily get through 3 back tyres in a year on my GSXR 1000 which is quite expensive without the government banging an extra levy on top,it's all about getting private vehicles off the road 😢

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

@@richardbryant7505 that and all the self righteous dash cam knobs who want to grass up anyone safely going past them at a ton and a half

[@daleskidmore1685]

Asbestos was banned from use in brakes years ago.

[@russcattell955i]

Decades even.

[@darrenpowell8036]

And what will be the carbon footprint of fixing the roads on a more regular basis?

[@patriley9449]

I know a woman who is on her second Tesla and brags about not having to buy gas and that her only real expense is a set of tires per year. It seems that she drives between 25,000 and 30,000 miles per year. I own a Camry and CRV and both are getting between 65,000 -75,000 miles on a set of tires, so I do believe that EVs do go through tires more quickly.

[@Jenuin]

In Canada 🇨🇦 it’s against the law to say anything negative 😅 about EVs 😅

[@conspiracytheorist1092]

Geoff please look at the harm the waste of pollutants of the just batteries at their end of life point are, it’s horrific . Also the London ambulance service is trialling ev ambulances , there’s an accident waiting to happen. We finally get rid of our Honda e in 2 days, for a brand new Seat ICE, can’t wait.

[@theolderigetthewrongbitget4746]

In Scotland Paramedics are running EVs, and they say the NHS has no money.

[@johnelliott9415]

Good for you you’re going to enjoy it much more and not having to panicking about when you gonna charge it again on your journey.

[@conspiracytheorist1092]

@@johnelliott9415I know we have our first road trip planned for Friday 😄

[@RobertSmith-cv1cu]

Thanks Geoff. Really cheered me up.

[@user-ni6le7hk9y]

EV's have more torque softer compound equals better traction, EV's weigh a little more softer compound equals better braking. This all equals a safer car, so all evangelist can now know EV's fitted with correct tyres will wear out quicker. More likely cost more per tyre because of It's special features. There you go lesson learned. So thanks for contributing to more tyre particulates to the roads. THAKYOU.!!!

[@paulsouthern2490]

Brakes and tyres will be the new euro 7 emissions test that cars and motorbikes will have to meet.

[@johnelliott9415]

Are but all older cars and the use of the gears to slow down would reduce the amount so I’m sticking with my old car 🚗

[@kathleenedwards6435]

It was never about the environment, its about total control of your mobility and life.

[@lee8org]

If our leaders would be serious about CO2, why not BAN all drive ins in fast food industry.

[@nekite1]

I have a Honda CR-Z hybrid which weighs just over 1200kg. Tyres and brake pads last for yonks, and as for the hybrid battery, it is a NIMh one rather than Lion. Several advantages there, as the nickel metal hydride batteries are more stable, have better resistance to heat fluctuations and can be reconditioned very cheaply. Plenty of cars of this type that go past 200,000 miles on the original battery. No report ever of one of these catching fire because of the hybrid battery. The only downside is they are not as energy dense as the Lithium batteries. I'm pretty certain my car is less polluting overall than one of those EV SUV monstrosities and I'll reach my destination on a long journey far faster.

[@happyjoyjoy6976]

even worse degradation on OEM tyres as well.

[@sturmhalo]

Yep, EV's are likely a stop gap between ICE and no personal vehicle ownership.

[@Falkon786]

The problem with EV tire wear is the high direct torque and thus emitting fine rubber particles which can be dangerous to people breathing this in.

[@donkeynuts75]

Regarding tyres i drive a traffic and my mate drives a transit. Both had them placed within a fortnight of each other. I do 800 miles a week and he does about half. He's ready for new and mine hardly look touched. It's all about how you drive and where you drive. Nailed it again BG.👍

[@stephenblacker1208]

Tyre and brake emissions have been far worse polluters than emissions certainly since exhaust cats were fitted. Been arguing this since evs started. Always shouted down

[@AdianGess]

Thanks Geoff, good your back

[@kawarps]

Well researched and clear statement. Geoff!

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Hmmm ...I had a heavy disco which was good on tyres....and a lightweight mk 1 golf which ate them up. So, it's not just weight for tyre wear....it's the type of use, acceleration and braking and the compound of the tyres. Road surface too, no doubt.

[@daveb2wright]

Where has all the tax money gone to repair our roads? In the UK the councils appear to have stopped repairing stuff! Perhaps they have channelled all the money to EV chargers?

[@daveisnothere]

No one seems to consider the pollution released during the manufacturing and disposal processes either.

[@ianwallett7438]

Your right about road conditions, Potholes knock the tracking out which will increase tyre wear significantly….. potholes….. environmental disaster!!

[@MrMk3turbo]

Geoff, a good friend of mine is a new and used tyre seller. His fast movers are Tesla tyres, and part worn tyres for such vehicles outsell new tyres due to their astronomical price compared to ic car tyres……