Ranking the Jedi Council From Weakest To Strongest (New Jedi Order Era)

[@Dysxnix]

You have no idea how much I appreciate that you still upload. I've been subbed to you on 3 different accounts, starting over 10 years ago when I was still a child. Thank you, Evan.

[@justinwang4908]

Whens that count dooku vs darth malak goona happen

[@gameovervirus2384]

Oh Evan. Timestamps pre-made on release? You spoil us!

[@fumosoul]

For real 😂

[@robertgeorge4602]

We are blessed to have timestamps.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

32:53 Have you ever thought of doing a Top 5 or Top 10 list of your favourite Expanded Universe duels (either specifically in novels or including all formats such as comics, the SWTOR Cinematics and 2003 Clone Wars)?

[@EvanNova95]

I have. I definitly think it would be a lot of fun.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@EvanNova95 cool.

[@VulKus117]

@@EvanNova95dew it! (Please)

[@muhamedquraishi]

This is gonna be very informative and entertaining. BTW bro Star Wars Theory and Stupendous Wave mentioned you, Jensaarai1, and Antoine Bandele again during one of their podcast episodes. They know you man, and they spoke very highly of you. Just thought you should know. 👍🏼

[@neonthunder3261]

Not too much of a fan of SWT but glad he gave the GOATs a shoutout

[@_Nilrem_]

Well that's mighty kind of SWT. Despite being the biggest SW content creator, he recognizes the OGs

[@steamedclams5689]

Which video if you don't mind me asking?

[@Lael-k2j]

Mara already held an advantage against Kyle Katarn during Mysteries of the Sith. Katarn was closer to his prime than Mara was at that time.

[@owenedward144]

Star Wars Theory is a narcissistic loser

[@muhamedquraishi]

This may sound odd but I’m actually glad that Disney isnt working on the EU. They’d just ruin, I’d much rather have the EU continued by someone who really knows the lore and is passionate about like Evan.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

“Somehow Plagueis has returned”

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Disney star wars writers aren't talented enough to keep continuity consistency and power scaling intact

[@TinyTorah]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021, you say that as if the EU writers (or hell, Lucas himself) have done a good job of that. 😅 Star Wars has ALWAYS had plenty of inconsistencies. You don’t get to pretend it’s only been a thing since Disney. 😂

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@TinyTorah the EU is far more consistent and respect continuity more than Disney star was ever did 😆 🤣 😂

[@TinyTorah]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 … WRONG. 😅

[@SamWiseGamgee1]

Evan bro, I know you're not big on monetizing your videos, but you really should. I have been a fan for YEARS and have gotten countless hours of entertainment from your work. I find myself consistently coming back to your channel even when there isn't a new upload just to listen to you. You've got that special energy that makes listening feel like hanging out with a friend and just nerding out. That combined with your passion and love for what you make, give your videos enough light side energy to counteract any negatives from monetization.Your content is good, and you deserve to make a little money from your work.

[@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer]

I see new vid, I like....but I am still waiting impatiently for Darth Malak VS. Count Dooku!!!

[@Pigpen_YT]

Fantastic video as usual! Would you ever be interested in doing one of these ranking videos for Vader's apprentices? I don't think people realize just how many he had in legends and I think it'd be neat to rank them even if everyone knows Galen Marek and Lumiya will be at the top of the ranking

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Don’t forget the Starkiller Clone

[@Pigpen_YT]

@@Wes_Bradley-Taubnerand I guess the Dark Apprentice clone? While the non canon ending is…non canon, the unlockable cutscenes showing his training are so he does exist in legends canon

[@EvanNova95]

That sounds interesting. :)

[@darthnihilus511]

My escape from the politics and war on KZbin…. Thank you Evan! Now, time to snack on some Jedi Force essence.

[@brandonmcqueen7304]

U one of the last of the old school who's been doing this for at least a decade. This was extremely entertaining much appreciated🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@willhorowitz8806]

Very well put together video my man. Once again you have proven that the Star Wars OG EU surpasses the Disney version.

[@kennythefatnord]

YO MY ARTWORK IS IN THIS VIDEO!!!

[@chrisbarnhill5437]

Hey Evan! To not make it overly sappy and cringe, Star Wars is my home away from home. My favorite thing in the entire world outside of my loved ones and I just wanted to thank you for uploading this and all your other content. My friends are casual Star Wars fans at best so conversations about the books and Legends content takes place between me, myself and I lol. This channel and community make me so happy because it’s so fun to hear and talk to other people who are just as passionate about these characters and this universe as I am. Long story short, keep it up and may the force be with you!

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Not cringe at all my friend. I too am the only one in my social life who loves Legends Star Wars. Only got like 2 friends who know a bit about legends, but not enough for a whole conversation about legends. *sigh* if only my dad liked Legacy of the Force instead of the Sequel Trilogy. But yeah, that’s the beauty of Versus Series. It’s the safe haven for us Legends fans to discuss Legends Star Wars.

[@robertgeorge4602]

I def get the feel. Not cringe. These videos are always great listens and the comment sections are always great. There have been some crazy conversations that Ive had over the years. Even though my interested in legends has waxed over the years, I still come back.

[@matteozambetti4373]

I remember I used to watch your stuff maybe 5-7 years ago, stopped for a long while for whatever reasons (new interests and stuff), and rediscovered your stuff months ago. I am very glad I did.

[@neonthunder3261]

On my BIRTHDAY? You bless us!

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Happy Birthday, and may the force be with you!

[@EvanNova95]

Happy Birthday!

[@jayt9608]

Happy birthday!!

[@neonthunder3261]

@@EvanNova95 Omfg thank you! You always inspired me to push myself when it came to literary analysis and as a writer. You're the best dude!

[@Eric6761]

Congratulations and happy birthday

[@ncsuguy221]

Loved it. Glad Jaina finally getting the respect she deserves. 😊

[@tjmcfadden5137]

Oh I miss the EU I would have loved the future stories of all these Jedi

[@muhamedquraishi]

41:03 Love the Ultra Ego reference 😏🫡🤝🤜🤛

[@OpticalSparkz]

Every single time you drop is a blessing G. Truly one of the OGs of the Game🔥✊

[@aqeeljupri3516]

For a potential post NJO Council member ranking Q&A video: 1) Who is your favourite NJO Jedi besides Luke? 2) Which NJO Council member would get along well with the Prequel era Council the best? 3) Would Yoda approve of Luke getting married?

[@sithmaster4305]

it's cool learning about the niche masters never used in battle videoes.

[@WeaponsRemorse]

waking up to a birthday gift from even is awesome! thanks

[@EvanNova95]

Happy Birthday!

[@WeaponsRemorse]

@ thanks!

[@muhamedquraishi]

@@WeaponsRemorsehe dropped the prequel Jedi council ranking video on my birthday😂😅 you are now the second person in this comment section I’ve seen whose birthday is on Dec 11th

[@WeaponsRemorse]

@ well mine is on the 12th lol

[@blaynerotycoon8821]

Thank you, Evan. It’s my birthday and waking up to see this is genuine surprise, I’ve been looking forward to this one. Thank you for still making videos, it’s a blessing, truly

[@EvanNova95]

@@blaynerotycoon8821 Happy Birthday!

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Happy Birthday, and may the force be with you! It’s someone else’s birthday in the comments as well

[@jordanschoepke1864]

This is where the fun begins

[@QA-ut7dd]

OHHHHHH this is great! I have something to look forward to when I get home tonight. 10/10 man, very excited to see this!

[@zackthezabarak739]

Love your work! Keep it up my friend!

[@thestrongestnerd4284]

Video is so well made as usual and the rankings are so fleshed out again! I guess I personally would have the same order except I would have jaina in the A tier behind Saba, her combat skill as sword of the Jedi would be top tier but she’s never shown power feats to really put her over those 3 there, if the series continued she could have shown more power but since they ended I don’t think she got to that point

[@Gray-el1nh]

THIS WAS SO GOOD THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO!!

[@fdjtron1732]

I've been looking forward to this

[@vrdragon12]

This was a great ranking Evan. Once more you deliver with flying colors. As always I have a couple of suggestions for your consideration. Versus Match: Aayla Secura vs Luminara Unduli Story of: Final Battle between Darth Caedus & Jaina Solo Countdown: Another Top 6 or even 10 lightsaber designs Best or favorite non-force users in Star Wars characters

[@nazcret22]

Glad to see u back Evanm awsoma as always

[@aaronnash2147]

Haven"t even got through the intro and I know imma watch this like 3 times lol. Thank you Evan !!:)

[@mainalpha]

It would be interesting to see a ranking on the Order of the Sith Lords (Bane through Palpatine/Vader), the Emperors Hands, the One Sith and the Lost Tribe of the Sith. And if doing a non Force-based (Jedi/Sith) ranking is interesting to you, perhaps a ranking of greatest pilots (Han Solo, Wedge Antilles, Soontier Fel, etc) or admirals/fleet commanders and possibly other ideas

[@TinyTorah]

Well depending on how one perceives Rule of Two scaling, there’s not much to discuss in the list if it’s from Bane on…

[@CYBERJASE]

Congratulations, your videos are always exceptional! You research every single thing, and always justify your view or your decisions. It's always a pleasure listening to your ranking or versus videos! Congratulations and greetings from Greece 🇬🇷

[@noname-bu1ux]

I'm really glad this content is getting made, because when it was coming out I was not very fond of it. But I think it's valuable info.

[@red9mm]

Great video! Love it

[@brokenknight4938]

Evan I was just annoyed about not having enough time tonight to watch an entire Star Wars film and you bless me with this. Perfect time before work. 12 hour shift ahead 😅. In the future could we get a few more down to coruscant match ups? Lighter powered characters compared to the sithari gods and skywalker powerhouses in the latest show downs. If I could make a few suggestions I would be over the moon to see match ups like: Aura Sing Vs Kamari Vosa Rahm Kota Vs Ferus Olin Star Forge Bastila Vs Barris Offee Sharad Hett Vs Yaddle Kir Kanos Vs Proxy

[@tsgreene2]

You’re truly and OG Evan

[@TheSunStudio1]

About time!

[@loregeek7853]

Heck yeah! Love the videos Evan

[@jadenkorr32]

Just made my day! Can’t wait! 👍😊

[@carsonclayton3994]

I agree with the entire list except I do think a reasonable argument can be made that Kyp is in S tier with Luke and Jaina. At the bottom of the list. However I feel like the black hole feat is enough to put him in that same degree as the Skywalkers in S. But I respect your opinion!

[@punishedvenomsnake716]

Hyped for the vid although it does go without saying who will be the top dog in this ranking as well lol.

[@fumosoul]

Love your videos so much, keep em coming!!!! ❤

[@liltimmah]

Hells yeah, thank you for another video D

[@critanalysis9546]

Been waiting a long time for this one congrats bro!!

[@bombshell782]

A blessing, a blessing from the Lord! Evan be praised! Very informative video, though I admit I thought Saba would be higher than Kyle! Love your work and have you thought about doing a Sith scaling video? Maybe top 10 strongest?

[@TinyTorah]

Saba absolutely deserves to be above Kyle; Evan’s just biased.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

It is always a blast when you upload.

[@minhalhassan6151]

Glad to see peak as ever, thanks a bunch Evan!

[@domenik8119]

great video

[@timothycambron]

When it come to stats and skills, you are the best KZbinr out there

[@TinyTorah]

That’s because GreyJedi quit, and Antoine stopped making SW content…

[@timothycambron]

@ never heard of them

[@TinyTorah]

@@timothycambron, they were basically doing this stuff simultaneously with Evan and Jensaarai, and they all occasionally collaborated. Evan and Jensaarai were arguably the worst of them all, and unfortunately THEY are the ones who didn’t stop making content.

[@timothycambron]

@@TinyTorah why did they quit?

[@TinyTorah]

@@timothycambron I can only speculate. With GreyJedi, given he posted the least out of all of them, it was probably far less a priority in his life, and so I assume life picked up for him (hopefully in a good way), and he stopped making (SW) videos altogether. With Antoine, since he was more active, I wouldn’t be surprised if the fandom becoming more toxic was a factor, given he still makes videos, but he’s almost entirely stopped making any SW content, and has essentially made a 100% pivot into Avatar (The Last Airbender) content. He also has written a book series that’s been published! 👍

[@delusional-x7f]

I’m a come back and listen when I work

[@MrWill9002]

Oh ho! I’ve been looking forward to this!!!

[@MusicFan752]

Happy early Christmas for us!!

[@chapmansshotokankarate8483]

Awesome! 1 min after posting 😊

[@davidpap5369]

A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@goroakechi6126]

I think my only issue with this is your assertion that Kyle and Caedus’s fight was close…it was not. Overlooking the text in the fight, Kyle was unable to land a single hit on Jacen. In fact, the text makes it very clear that twice over, trying to hit Jacen nearly resulted in him being murdered outright.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Agreed. Kyle had a team of Jedi helping him, they had prep time to strategize, had the element of surprise, and Caedus was recovering from injuries from his Luke fight. And yet even with those advantages, Kyle still got defeated in a few pages

[@papapalps2415]

A SW versustuber not having a single earthly clue what they are talking about? Shocking, truly.

[@thehonoredone2361]

Mesa so happy to be seeing this today.

[@dwlang001]

Great summary! It's a shame we didn't see more out of Octa Ramis, nor post redemption Kyp.

[@vikrambal6247]

Yo he’s back!

[@legoinglegion458]

I think one of Mara Jade Skywalker's most impressive/unique feats was when she levitated herself while sneaking around Correllia in Legacy of the Force.

[@robertgeorge4602]

K'Kruhk with hat not in S Tier? This list is ass. But seriously, thank you Evan for continuing to upload another great video. And for giving NJO the respect it deserves.

[@dakotalange2858]

What if the old republic jedi council and the new republic Jedi council swapped places how would they handle the crisis of those times? Who would do better?

[@alexandersviridov2937]

Here we go!

[@onionninja7580]

Great video! You should make a video comparing it to its cannon counterpart, oh wait…

[@clementex2]

Jaina's showings against Caedus is heavily misrepresented in this video. Caedus was multiple cuts above her, Jaina admitted multiple times that her brother would kill her in a force duel if he wanted. In the first duel, Jaina didn't win, because at the end she could barely swing her saber while Caedus could still deflect blaster bolts with ease, and she admitted herself that the fact that her brother was still standing is proof that his force powers far exceed hers. She was massively amped by Luke, such that when she felt the loss of the amp, she became a shadow of when she engaged her brother. In the second duel, Caedus basically ragdolled her. She cheapshotted him with a saber to the gut, which would have killed or at least incapacitated literally any other human (Caedus did the same to Katarn and it ended the fight instantly), yet Caedus remained conscious enough to send a force wave that made Jaina wish she was dead. The only reason why it was close was 1. Caedus was seriously injured, and 2. Caedus was more focused on saving his daughter. Take away either of his physical or mental advantages, and Caedus would stomp her. The fact that it was a draw at the end of it (Caedus could have taken her down with him) is proof that Jaina dosen't stand a chance against her brother in a fair fight. Jaina is at best a low A tier character. Any character who stands at the apex of the food chain would slap her into a coma.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

True Jaina ecan said that when Jacen was meditating he got so intunned with the force that it looks like he was fading in and out of existence and he was growing more powerful rapidly only flew force users had archive that such as exar kun vitiate papaltine luke Jacen solo anakin solo and anakin Skywalker

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

I was thinking the same and I say peak Jaina in FOTJ when she becomes Jedi Master pulled off her best feats like fighting 1000s of Lost Tribe of the Sith members for days with little sleep which also Corran Horn pulled off as well whom is a high C tier I think she too belongs A tier, Kyp Durron should be S Tier demonstrating planetary lvl Feats in the NJO only second to Luke Skywalker they just kinda Gohan’d him having him sidelined during LOTF and FOTJ cause he’s not a main character or a Skywalker/Solo, Jaina was clearly dead sub average in LOTF Jedi Knight level only getting a amp between LOTF to FOTJ to be average Council level at best even then Kyp ragdolls her in Dark Journey novel with ease we clearly know she was beneath him the entire NJO and LOTF you mean to tell me she can become stronger than him in that one power amp that suggests she is mid level Council level at best with a character that can rival Darth Krayt, Darish Vol, Sarasu Taalon, Shimrra Jamaane and stronger than Darth Caedus, Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Reborn, Darth Plagueis? I don’t think so. I would put Saba Sebatyne over Kyle Katarn and Jaina because I don’t know how’d they hold off against a Avatar of Abeloth acknowledged it’s only a fraction of true Abeloth’s power even then speaks volumes, well I know Jedi Master Jaina wouldn’t pull off what Saba did maybe Kyle could so I would say peak prime FOTJ Jaina is little below Kyle Katarn if not equal. In conclusion fair assessment to place FOTJ/Crucible Jaina A tier definitely above Mara Jade and Corran Horn, LOTF Jaina is a mid C tier at best not near Council level.

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

I would also add Darth Krayt, Kyp Durron, Darish Vol these are all characters that directly scale off of GM Luke Skywalker and few characters that can actually rival him.

[@papapalps2415]

Jaina is, by all appearances, pathetic. She literally does not possess a single impressive feat or accolade to her name besides beating Tsavong Lah with a cheapshot, and that one accolade from FOTJ that she is the 'equal to anyone in the Order' or some such in lightsaber skill, which is virtually worthless unless you happen to unironically take it 100% seriously and believe Jaina is = Luke. The idea she is, in any way, shape or form comparable to Caedus is absurd.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

@@papapalps2415I love Jaina as a character, but she is massively overrated. Random question, who do you think is the strongest version of Legends Darth Sidious or Legends Yoda that Jaina Solo could defeat? Cause I’ve seen MANY people say she oneshots Yoda and beats DE Sidious, so wanted to see if you scale her massively above the PT.

[@Alpamys_Baibaqty]

May the force be with you!

[@EliasCruz-n5q]

Evan. How would you Scale the S tier prequel council characters if they were in this video?

[@thedude3065]

has Saba ever had a versus video?

[@DarthBill-h6f]

Not to my knowledge, that need's to change.

[@EvanNova95]

I've never made one with her, but I would like to use her someday.

[@thedude3065]

After seeing this I wonder how she’d measure up to a KOTOR Sith like Malak or Traya, or perhaps further back like Exar or Ulic

[@sithspawnjones1988]

Thank you!

[@shaunfitzgerald7913]

this content is absolutely S tier 🙌

[@TinyTorah]

It’s S-tier for Evan’s content…

[@ArikGST]

And then we have to consider that there were implications that Allana Djo Solo might surpass them all (though since she wasn't in Star Wars Legacy we can't even speculate)

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Ben Skywalker was going to be the strongest as he got a especial training from luke after he defeated abeloth

[@ultraviolet540]

You can’t forget Rosh Penin 😂

[@SpiderJack99]

Great video as always, Evan. I agree than Mara is a bit more powerful than Corran and I do think she’s a slightly better duellist since she was able to stalemate Lumiya twice who could injure GM Luke (I also think she should have won the lightsaber duelling skills round in your VS video of her and Cade Skywalker since he only crossed blades with Krayt once). Something that should be mentioned about Kol Skywalker is that he killed several Stormtroopers and Sith and has no visible injuries implying he did it with ease.

[@the7thfleet936]

I think people really low ball Mara Jade. She’s really powerful. Like a lot more powerful than Jedi of the clone wars. She had an actual sword fight and then a hand to hand fight in her duel with lumiya and was going to win had the ship not interfered. Lumiya is someone who could swap blades with a pissed off Luke in their last duel before he killed her. Not Ventress, Not Savage, Not Maul would be able to do that. maul tried killing obi wan on florrum and he dodged his attacks and kicked maul twice and then fended both of maul and savage off while being trapped in a tunnel. Obi wan had to create space and maneuver in the limit space he was given outmanned and out sabered. If people think maul is all that, then why didn’t he choose to kill him instead of running away after force pushing him? Nah people trip when they say maul fought Palpatine for a few moments. Mara would crush those Sith.

[@papapalps2415]

​@@the7thfleet936 Mara isn't even vaguely impressive, lul. She's someone who, in that self same series, struggles to collapse a small tunnel. The fact she struggles with someone like Lumiya (who self admittedly is sub-suit Vader) isn't the own you think it is, lul. Trying to scale based off of Luke is, as ever, utterly brainless.

[@JayBobert-h1l]

@@papapalps2415 using a vader comparison as a knock is strange lol

[@papapalps2415]

@@JayBobert-h1l Because suit Vader in the old canon isn't particularly impressive in the grand scheme of things, and he is utterly irrelevant at the level of GM Luke.

[@JayBobert-h1l]

@@papapalps2415 again luke is the most powerful Jedi of all time ofcourse he beats Vader lol

[@darthprime1990]

Of course Luke Skywalker would obviously be high on the list, being Grand Master and all.

[@muhamedquraishi]

I like to believe that there is only one Chosen One. No more than that.

[@Vyrall3606]

REJOICE !!! IT IS HERE !!!

[@durp002]

Kind of overwanking Kyle in his fight with caedus. Even with the 3 knights Kyle almost dies and is only saved by a 4th jedi also hiding there. He's basically shown he's a threat but not actually close to caedus by any reasonable measure.

[@deadponic117]

okay, not trying to push or maybe it's because i'm impatient, but when is the Malak vs Dooku matchup coming?

[@baki484]

Jensaarai one has his part to do.

[@deadponic117]

@@baki484 that's the part that's got me anxious, since i'm planning to do another matchup with Malak, i want to see what he does and use that as a [template]

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

*sigh* the second time in the past 2 years that you've dropped an hour+ long video the day before I have a huge final exam. Well, that hour of Star Wars lore was well spent, so now I better study harder today. My personal ranking goes like this. S+ Tier - Full Potential Luke Skywalker - Full Potential Jaina Solo Fel - Full Potential Kol Skywalker S Tier - Luke Skywalker A Tier - Jaina Solo Fel - Kyp Durron - Kyle Katarn - Corran Horn - Mara Jade Skywalker B Tier - Kol Skywalker - Saba Sebatyne - Grandmaster K’Kruhk - Tresina Lobi C Tier - Kam Solusar - Kenth Hamner - T’ra Saa D Tier - Cilghal - Octa Ramis E Tier - Tionne Solusar F Tier - Barratk’l - Tili Qua So ultimately, the only big differences I notice is that I rank Mara, Corran and K’Kruhk higher than you do, and I rank Kenth and Saba waaay lower. Otherwise, I generally agree with most of the rankings here. Another well researched and informative video. Merry Christmas, Evan.

[@liveguy2214]

I have watched you forever and up until the summer I have never read a legends novel and always remember back and reference things from your videos to help me understand some of the stories . also so far I only read post ender stuff so I was waiting for this to come out it was a great video keep up the great work.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

I might have put Mara a tier higher, but this is legit! Also does anyone else feel like Kyp got wasted as a character in the later NJO/legacy books? Like they set him up to be this heavy hitter and even potential Sith candidate but he just fades into the background.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Dude is like Chozen from Cobra Kai in Season 6. So overpowered that they had to limit how many fights he had against major opponents in later stories so that he wouldn’t end the plot right then and there. Had Mara or Kyle brought Kyp to fight Caedus, Caedus would’ve been killed so easily. Kyp can’t solo Caedus, but him assisting Mara or Kyle would’ve certainly guaranteed death for the Sith Lord

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

True the jedi academy guide said sith kyp durrun was already in darth vader range of raw force power, but later on they nerfed him to put anakin solo Jacen and Jaina on top

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

@Wes_Bradley-Taubner I don't quite buy that but I get it. I'd agree with you had they handled him consistently from the start. Caedus pretty much low diffed Kyle, which is crazy in itself, and apparently in FOTJ Kyle and Kyp were about the same level?

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

@@kirtmanwaring3629by feats, Kyle is a much better duelist but kyp is a much better force user. If Caedus had to deal with Kyle in a duel while also defending against kyp’s force attacks, he’d probably lose. The speeder move he used to hit Kyle in the back and into his lightsaber wouldn’t have worked if Kyp was there to throw the speeder at Caedus

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

As a huge Kyp Durron fan he is my second favorite Jedi in all of canon SW that is 6 George Lucas movies and the EU right behind Luke Skywalker. With all that said I agree they what I like to call Gohan’d him see cause he was built up to be a prodigy in the Jedi Academy Trilogy even with Gantoris before him whom we knew was killed by Exar Kun’s spirit important part as it is a pivotal moment of Luke doubting his capability of a Jedi Master but anyways there is lot of promise to be showed in the Climax of Champions Of The Force, we seen what a monster he is in the NJO novels really true threat to the Vong seeming second to Luke and then LOTF and on he gets sidelined possibly cause he is not a Skywalker/Solo character because Jaina unfortunately becomes the main protagonist and Luke with Anakin Solo and Jacen whom became Caedus dead and FOTJ more so Luke and Ben as Father n Son and Jaina as a collective but I would argue that Kyp is not the only one as are Kyle Katarn where he was front n center in Dark Forces and key character in Jedi Knight games, then you also got Saba Sebatyne, Cilghal that never had central focus since Kyp, Kyle, Mara and Corran all had their moments in a given novel or series. I personally would have Kyp at S tier and drop Jaina as of FOTJ as a Jedi Master in mid or low A tier, put Saba Sebatyne highest A tier over Kyle with her show in during the end of FOTJ Apocalypse having brutally ripped an Avatar of Abeloth part a feat I know Jaina couldn’t pull of and questionable if Kyle can. Nonetheless the NJO did exceed its predecessors that came before since all the Jedi A tier in this list or my list are Yoda tier and stronger. My ranking top 5 are 1. Luke Skywalker 2. Kyp Durron 3. Saba Sebatyne 4. Kyle Katarn 5. Jaina Solo as her Jedi Master FOTJ version huge emphasis because it’s a significant power amp from her LOTF and prior iterations from Knight lvl to Council lvl which would be C tier to low A tier.

[@archangel5526]

Literally the only Star Wars channel I watch, today is now a special occasion!

[@socialaccount0000]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

Hell yeah I been waiting for this one I think Kyp Durron should be S Tier maybe being that I’m a Kyp fanboy, but the Black Hole feat during the Yuuzhan Vong is a planetary feat in the Force this was NJO Kyp he does kinda get thrown to the curb during FOTJ which is a shame cause he could’ve gotten stronger more skilled well never know I would put him above Jaina that isn’t hypothetical Full Potential achieved I always figured him being second to Luke in the NJO with his Feats and fierce sparring duels with Luke Skywalker, dude was a secondary threat to Yuuzhan Vong behind Luke, I also think in LOTF if it was Kyp instead of Kyle going after Darth Caedus the results would’ve been much different since Kyp has real OP Raw Connection to the Force you would’ve had a defeated and detained Sith Lord since Kyp is more aggressive than Luke and wasn’t emotionally distressed during his clash with Caedus. I would also prolly have Saba Sebatyne over Kyle due to her show in FOTJ Apocalypse facing off an Avatar of Abeloth and brutally executing it possibly high A tier while Kyp is high S Tier second to Luke with Jaina low S Tier at third place imo. Great vid as always Evan love the content was wondering if you could do a general ranking of Power in Sith Lords I think that be kool. Some Versus ideas I had are. - Kyp Durron vs Darth Krayt - FOTJ Jaina Solo vs Reborn Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious from Dark Empire - Yoda vs Emperor Vitiate - Shimrra Jamaane vs Darish Vol - Vestara Khai vs Bastilla Shan - Saba Sebatyne vs Mace Windu - Raynor Thul vs Plo Koon

[@HVLLOW99]

K'kruk, is my favorite along side Luke.

[@TinyTorah]

-STRONG preface. While a bit unnecessary at times, I appreciated the clarity and explanations in setting up the groundwork for the video; it only ever helps. 👍 -I love Tionne, but she belongs in G, man. 😅 -I agree with your E-tier, though you implying you ‘personally’ have them far higher worries me. 😅 -Good to see you put some respect on Cilghal’s name. 👌 -Yeah, Tresina’s one of those Jedi whom we basically know nothing about except for one singular very impressive feat, but the feat itself is prolonged, and hardly largely reliant on circumstance, so it’s just plain a great feat for her. The only reason I can think of for why she’s in D and not C-tier is because almost every one of her peers continued to grow in skill and power after the Lumiya arc, whereas she… very much didn’t. -20:52, calm down, Evan. 😅 Luke only beat DE Sids through rather extreme circumstances, including but not limited to Leia amping Luke via Force Harmony. Aside from that though, don’t really find much issue in what you’ve said in this tier. -Yeah, I had to REREAD what I just read to make sure I read it correctly the first time reading TJA: a Padawan Corran Horn successfully mind-tricked not only all his peers but also a post-DE Luke Skywalker as well. 👌 I love Corran Horn because I just love characters that have a ‘blessing and a curse’ kind of thing about them, and that’s kinda true with Corran in that his TK, even as a Master, is basically Youngling level, but his TP is preternatural from the get-go, and his TK gets supercharged whenever he successfully employs Tutaminis, which he is also extremely masterful in. And yeah, as far as pure skill goes, he’s easily one of the best duelists of the NJO, with those who’d conventionally be ranked above him being able to attribute their sheer greater raw power, and thus superior force aug. as well as possibly precog. against him, like Kyp for example. -Fully agree on Mara Jade with her comparison to Corran, saying they’re effectively equal as duelists, but she has him beat as an overall combatant. -29:47, naw, Evan… the quote/source you just showed does NOT place Mara at that point as an equal to Ventress. 😅 The most you can glean from the quote is that Ventress, Mara, and Valin Draco, are all considered among Sidious’ most powerful Force-wielding agents, not that they are all three equally standing compared to each other. Beyond that, the notion is… ridiculous. 😂 Ventress would squish Imperial Mara Jade like a bug. -29:57, source for this claim??? -30:38, THANK YOU for supplying the context for this one; FAR too many people take that quote OUT of context, and just run with it. -33:33, I’m liking this side of you: factoring in context as liberally as you are. 👍 That said, you’re still omitting that Mara, just prior to their duel, also essentially ambushed Caedus in a trap, and so he began their duel injured and easily arguably at Kyle for example. -46:37, claiming Kyle “mastered” all those abilities is a bit generous, not to mention his severing of Jerec’s connection to the dark side was most likely circumstantial given what a neophyte he was, and the fact that he never does it again, especially in occasions where it would have been useful. -49:05, just like I explained in your DE Sids vs Krayt Reborn video, NO, that quote only has Luke as better than he was in his FIRST duel with Sidious. His 2nd duel, he was amped via Leia’s Force Harmony, and empirically much better than he was at his base-level, where he got his ass handed to him by Sids (in their first duel). Furthermore, as of Dark Apprentice, Luke undergoes some seriously crippling doubt, and his powers effectively take a nose-dive until around the Vong War. So while Luke is still Luke Motherf*cking Skywalker, he’s not quite as superpowerful as we think he’d be. His growth effectively stops between this time, and/or in some ways, he’s even worse than he was as of the end of DE / beginning of TJA. So Desann getting the better of Luke is totally believable, and not some absurdly amazing feat. -Painting it out like the Kyle vs Caedus fight was, as you say, “pretty even,” literally right after saying that Kyle had the advantage of numbers on his side, and Caedus is not at 100%, AND the fact that Caedus was clearly doing better than Kyle in that fight… it’s pretty irresponsible of you. Just rechecked the fight, and yeah, within about 10 seconds, Caedus would have ended the fight if not for one of the Jedi Knights intercepting one of Caedus’ strikes. And prior to that, it was pretty clear Caedus wasn’t in trouble. -49:54, if you’d showed the paragraph directly above that, it has the perspective being that of the Jedi Knight, Seha Dorvald, who was onlooking the fight from afar. Also, there’s the fact that, according to the text, it’s very likely what she observed and was noting and thinking it appeared even, was merely the first couple to a few seconds of the duel. So no, given how the fight is directly described in the actual action, it’s clearly not even. Caedus, even while at notably Kyle. 😅 -50:57, nowhere does the source you show support your claim that Ben Kenobi is “confirmed to have been far stronger than his Prequel-era-self.” That said, it’s my personal believe Ben Kenobi didn’t fall too behind the likes of his RotS-iteration. -51:03, I urge you to read (if you haven’t) the RotS Novelization, or reread it if it’s been a while, Evan. We get the perfect explanation in it for Anakin going from the level of EASILY beating Dooku (conquering his ‘dead-star dragon,’ his fear), with the help of Palpatine coaxing him on and giving him “permission” to let go, and then plummeting back down to the level he was before then just prior to his fight with Kenobi (with his dead-star dragon, his fear, creeping back in). In other words, yes, Legends Suited Vader is better than PSV during his fight with Kenobi, but is still a fair bit below the likes of Anakin/Vader from the tail-end of his fight with Dooku in RotS, UP until his fight with Kenobi at the end of RotS. -57:07, Zekk merely musing that that’s what it “MAYBE” means, in no way gives you the leeway to then refer to that as it being revealed to be the case. 😑 In other words, you taking that quote to mean anything close to objective fact, is a massive reach from you. -57:21, a ridiculous claim. Anakin-in his prime at least-was at the level of RotS Yoda and Sidious, as per numerous official sources, with some sources even having him ABOVE them, though I personally don’t put much if any stock into those particular ones. -57:24, at best, you can glean from that quote that, by that time, Jaina was at the level of NJO Jedi Masters, not necessarily NJO COUNCIL Masters. There’s a difference. -So we’re just trusting Luke’s vague musings on Jaina’s power and skill, and interpreting that it includes HIMSELF, disregarding that none of her feats come CLOSE to his (or many of those you’ve placed under her in this ranking)? There’s a reason many of the SW writers and members of the creative teams and lorekeepers discourage fans like us from interpreting everything so literally… 🙄 -58:36, yeah, except you’ll note, in the text, it basically required EVERYTHING from her to do so. Let’s not falsify things, Evan, to try to minimize the gap between Caedus and Jaina, which was rather substantial, as Jaina herself admits (I think throughout the lore honestly), with the only way Jaina was able to do as well as she did against Caedus being that he was already notably injured prior to them dueling, and he was holding back against her, whereas she was FULLY willing to end him. (You later point out most of this context, thank you) -1:01:00, again, Evan, nowhere does that quote say COUNCIL Master. You need to stop just wildly misinterpreting the lore to fit your biases. -So yeah, you hold Kyle and Jaina too high… -1:02:31, dude, you NEED to get off this abysmal bit of scaling. Again, that quote applies to base-level Luke, not how he was when he fought Sids the 2nd time. You need to stop interpreting the lore so rigidly literally. -The additional Kol segment as well as having Jaina potentially in S+ is wholly pointless, but I commend you for at least going out of your way to point out that you were majorly stretching and reaching there. -While this video of yours still had its issues for sure, overall the collective problems were rather benign compared to most of your other videos. I don’t want to get my hopes up, but… I sure hope this video wasn’t just a fluke, and it’s proof of you improving in many of your problem-areas. 🙏

[@papapalps2415]

@@TinyTorah Luke was, factually, on or above Sidious's level as a duelist by DE. He won the second duel with some degree of aid, yes, but the Battle Meditation that Leia provided was explictly noted as being minor and instinctual/untrained. And even besides that, there's no proof in the quotes about it (that she was 'unlocking unexpected resources' in him) that it was a temporary amp, regardless. Per most sources and quotes on the matter, Luke beat Sidious in the duel fair and square, and per the audio drama, he did so in about 30 seconds flat. Of course, none of this is to say Luke is on Sidious's level as an overall combatant, specifically in the Force, however. We know from the comic alone that isn't the case, seeing how, even despite Sidious being, literally, disarmed, Luke still backs off and has to resort to a Force Harmony with Leia. Per the endnotes, Sidious was sufficiently powerful he would have literally ripped Luke apart if he had tried to get close. The power difference in the Force is huge. As a similar sidenote, Luke didn't truly 'lose power' in the post-DE era. Per the Thrawn Duology books, he was unconsciously holding himself back due to his mortal terror at falling to the Dark Side ever again, something he never quite got over until near the end of the Vong War.

[@TinyTorah]

@ Shoot, I opened the notification for this, thinking your response was shorter. 😅 Tag/respond to me again, and I’ll try to get back to it and give an actual PROPER response at a later time when I have more time to dedicate toward it. 👍

[@papapalps2415]

@@TinyTorah Tag.

[@kenc-g8484]

I watched this video, just so I could see where you ranked Saba. 😂

[@Quirrel]

Can you do how poweful were the Yuuzhan Vong?

[@wyattmcgee1]

Luke Skywalker vs Darth Krayt?

[@macattackk]

Just finished what I was doing today, should I watch the new episode of Skeleton crew, or Evan? No contest :)

[@liltimmah]

Will there be a follow up with dark side users in these eras ?

[@xadapt4411]

WE EATING GOOD

[@sci-fisithdan2315]

EvanNova95 is alive! Alive!

[@matthewrosenthal753]

I believe even peak Abeloth would fall to Luke. Luke in Legends was said to have as much potential as Anakin. Anakin was the only being shown to be able to bring the Mortis gods to their knees, and that was not a “peak” Anakin.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

Peak Abeloth was stated to be 12x more powerful than FOTJ Luke (and you seriously can’t expect Luke to have grown 12x more powerful by the end of the Crucible novel that’s only 1 year after FOTJ). Massively weakened Abeloth was so powerful that Luke needed Darth Krayt’s help to beat her

[@matthewrosenthal753]

@ Luke was something unique and never seen at any other time. The living embodiment of Balance. Abeloth at her peak was imprisoned by the mortis gods, Luke may well have been more powerful then the father. Never trust what someone is said to be. As things get exaggerated in the retelling

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

⁠​⁠@@matthewrosenthal753 A. Luke had the potential to surpass Abeloth, but Luke never reached his Full Potential in Legends, and as such he never surpassed her or the Mortis gods. In terms of pure midichlorean count and force potential, Legends FP Luke is actually > Legends FP Anakin. I know this is a take that will get me crucified by most fans who treat FP Anakin as the Star Wars equivalent of Cosmic Armour Superman, but Evan’s made multiple videos that showed the sources and evidence to convince me that had Legends Luke actually would’ve had higher potential than Anakin. However, the reason Luke never reached his full potential in legends is because A) The first 19 years of his life where he could’ve been developing his force abilities under Jedi masters, he instead spent farming where he learned nothing about the force until reaching the age of 19, B) He only had about 5 years of formal training in the force (3 years from Ben Kenobi’s ghost, a year from Yoda, a year from Sidious, and a few months with some teachers from non Jedi/Sith force user groups, such as the Baran-Do Sages, Aing Ti Monks, Nightsisters, etc), meaning much of his training came from his own self taught practise, and C) He was still growing at crazy levels all the way up until Crucible when he was 64 years old, and despite being beyond even DE Sidious or EoO Valkorion in power, he still had more years of development in power to go through, which was cut short by Disney ending Star Wars. So what I’m trying to get at here is that Legends FP Luke Skywalker would’ve been much more powerful than he was by the end of Crucible in 45 ABY. Post Crucible Luke Skywalker is the strongest version of Legends Luke we saw without any circumstantial or situational amps, and he clearly isn’t beating Abeloth based on feats. B. Full Potential Luke would’ve surpassed the father, as would Full Potential Anakin. Too bad neither of them reached that power level. C. While I 100% respect the idea of not taking statements and accolades as the end all be all when it comes to power levels because feats and concrete evidence matter way more (something most Star Wars fans suck at understanding), this unfortunately does not help Luke against Abeloth. By statements, Abeloth is 12x more powerful. By feats, Luke needed help from Darth Krayt to beat a massively weakened Abeloth, so imagine what a peak condition Abeloth would’ve done to Luke had Krayt not been there to help out. Whether we go by feats or statements, Luke Skywalker never surpassed Abeloth.

[@matthewrosenthal753]

@ Actually you are quite wrong. As we don’t if he did or not as they never wrote anything to say. However We Know Luke became one with the both the living Force and the cosmic force and maintained his consciousness. He also appeared as a force ghost 2000 years after he passed and in story where the final truth of the force is revealed to him, his acceptance and understanding of it placed him in a realm of his own. And as I said just because it is said doesn’t make it accurate and Abeloth is the mother in mortis gods. And her children were brought to their knees by Anakin. And Luke had every bit of his father’s power and as shown more. Abeloth is clearly not as powerful as claimed since she was defeated twice.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

@@matthewrosenthal753 A. Well if I'm wrong about Luke never reaching his full potential, then that creates a bit of a paradox. If Luke DID reach his full potential like you're suggesting, then that means FP Anakin, the Mortis Gods, and Abeloth are all waaay more powerful than FP Luke Skywalker because Abeloth at full power is canonically way above Luke by feats and statements. If Luke DIDN'T reach his full potential like I'm suggesting, then Luke had the potential to surpass Abeloth assuming his FP is comparable to Anakin's, but he never did reach his full potential because he's never shown himself to be more powerful than Abeloth. B. If you're trying to suggest that Abeloth was surpassed by Luke because Luke became one with the force to become a force ghost, than you're also saying that Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Yoda, Mara Jade Skywalker, Kol Skywalker, Qu Rahn, and others surpassed Abeloth as well. Scaling force ghosts to living beings is something I've never given much thought to, so I won't debate this further. All I'm saying though is that if Luke becoming a force ghost makes him more powerful than Abeloth, then all of those Jedi I mentioned would've been more powerful as well. All I know for sure is that Post Crucible Luke Skywalker Son ~ Daughter > Abeloth. But again, that goes back to the paradox we had earlier. If Luke Skywalker did reach his Full Potential by FOTJ like you're saying he did, then that means Full Potential Anakin Skywalker >>>>>> Full Potential Luke Skywalker. Mortis Amped Anakin Skywalker is equal in power to Full Potential Anakin Skywalker, and he beat 2 Mortis Gods at once with ease. If Full Potential Anakin Skywalker is way more powerful than Mortis Gods and Abeloth, then why did Luke Skywalker (who you claimed to have reached his Full Potential) need Darth Krayt's help to beat a massively weakened Abeloth? I'm saying that clearly Luke didn't reach his Full Potential and could've grown much more powerful after Crucible to surpass Abeloth had Disney not ended Legends. Full Potential Luke Skywalker >== Full Potential Anakin Skywalker >== Mortis Amped Anakin Skywalker > Father > Son ~ Daughter > Abeloth >>>> Luke Skywalker. Either Luke Skywalker never reached his Full Potential which is why he lost to Abeloth when he had the potential to surpass her, or he did reach his Full Potential and still wasn't powerful enough to beat a weakened Abeloth without Darth Krayt's help. E. Abeloth lost some fights throughout the series cause she was massively weakened at various parts of the story. Even in a weakened state, she could still fight Luke and Krayt at once, which shows she's way more powerful than either individually.

[@sjeason]

Man I wonder who the number one spot might be, couldn’t guess.

[@anthonywalden239]

I think you used titular incorrectly

[@justinwang4908]

Whens that count dooku vs darth malak video gonna happen

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Malak is weak without the star forge

[@macattackk]

Would you consider next doing a ranking on the Ancient Sith Lords? You’d have to limit it to just the reigning or high level dark lords otherwise there’d be too many of course. But you could maybe do from the original Jedi exiles (Pall, Murr, Horde, Andeddu etc.), through the later Dark lords of Korriban during the golden age (Ragnos, Sadow, Kressh etc.), and finally those who learned directly from them original teachings (Nadd, Kun etc.) There would be a fair bit of speculation but there should be enough feats from most of them (and their artefacts and followers) to compare, and there are certainly plenty of statements both in world and by creators to make a fairly solid scaling for them. Could be a fun project

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

All those teaching died when exar kun body was destroyed in yavin4

[@macattackk]

@ Not entirely no, holocron’s such as Andeddu’s and Murr have been found to pass those teachings into the ‘modern’ eras. But what’s your point?

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@macattackk exar kun possessed the dark holocrom which had over 100,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills echani and rakatas teaching he even had teaching before the dark jedi exiled

[@macattackk]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 ok, I’m still not quite sure I follow though, what point are you trying to make in relation to my comment?

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@macattackk what I'm trying to say it's that exar kun is far more powerful than all ancient sith including Karnes murr who's way more powerful than prime darth krayt and krayt is more powerful than vader

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Make a video about characters that never reached their full potential like exar kun was only 26 when his body was destroyed ulic qel droma never reached his potential was cut off from feeling the force, anakin solo died young age 17, darth caedus died young, revan rushed to fight vitiate, vaylin was nerfed by her dad kal vastor never had jedi or sith training papaltine reborn couldn't use his full power because the clone bodies were weak.

[@Wes_Bradley-Taubner]

And pretty much most Skywalkers as well due to either premature death or Disney ending the continuity