The Dual Motor EV With A "2.4L Battery" | 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Review

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Sorry about the re-upload, somehow we had an audio issue that we didn't notice until after it went live. Eeek!

[@BensEcoAdvntr]

Charging info card still says CCS instead of CHAdeMO 🙂

[@greenne]

I think the Outlander would be a good choice for a long term test.

[@krishkoduri]

I think Outlander would be the best choice for long term due to many reasons including the heat pump availability.

[@john6274]

Owner of a 2016 Outlander specifically because it has a small 3rd row. We’re a family of 6 and the oldest can fit there. We don’t need a gas guzzler. Long distance trips, we will rent. Would’ve bought the plug in back then if it offered a third row. Really liking this one and will definitely be checking the used market although this 2016 has been problem free so it will be awhile.

[@ronny383]

Very practical for our family.

[@Anhedonis]

I'm one of those in the camp where the Outlander works for me (mostly EV driving, road trips 2-3 times per year). The theory of operation for this drivetrain works more for me than the 6 speed in the Koreans. But man, what a buttaface! If I could get this drivetrain with the Santa Fe (love that blind view monitor) I'd be set!

[@nevco8774]

Since Koreans have the same EV range for you the price is decisive?

[@nc3826]

2023 Hyundai Santa Fe/Transmission 8-speed automatic

[@mikeintampa250]

The interior of this tested vehicle is a peanutbuttaface. I bought one 3 weeks ago and I went for the all black interior, it looks great

[@garrettreven5144]

If it's between a Hyundai, a Kia, and another Kia product for your tester: go for the Mitsubishi. I'm still hoping for a Maverick hybrid lomger-term vehicle. Wanna know if the rattles set in by 6 month's time

[@DavidMosby]

This was the best review of the Outlander that I have seen. I like all the comparisons.

[@mr.c6674]

To me, they totally screwed up the 3rd row. It's not a useful 3rd row. It's a rear area to drive around extra weight while limiting cargo space. I would not need the 3rd row, but I surely would prefer the option of easily removing it without removing bolts. Otherwise, I like the looks and mostly everything else you noted

[@adamsingletery6625]

Long term test for sure. Mitsu did a decent job here. Wish the hybrid MPG was better though.

[@sijinvincent260]

Go for Mitsubishi Outlander

[@yugambhateja6236]

Please have this for long term testing!

[@wlyanderson]

RE: CHAdeMO vs CCS…… I think the reason Mitsubishi went with the CHAdeMO vs CCS is that CCS doesn’t support V2X/V2H which the CHAdeMO does. This makes the Outlander a MultiUse battery situation in that it can power your home for up to a week between the battery and the ICE

[@mikeintampa250]

Yes, and it would be great if someone could come up with a Chademo to CCS adapter.

[@LowOnCash]

Thanks as always perfect technical review - I was looking at other plug-ins but I like this all EV design where the car is primarily an EV and the generator provides current. Seems to be a less complex design than having transmissions diff's etc. just a few questions regarding the speed of the gas engine / generator, is it like a volt where it runs slow at moderate slow speeds then speeds up if needed on inclines or does it run at one set speed. Also, regarding the recharge function, will it charge the HV battery to 100% or a reduced amount like the Volt. Thanks Mike

[@barry28907]

We have the Kia Sorento PHEV, and we (mostly) love it. One less-obvious downside: Our 60lb dog definitely prefers a bench seat. She has a bit of trouble staying on the 2nd-row captains seat during cornering. We also wish we had that heat pump and 2nd row window screens. Any attempt at simple ventilation in cold weather causes the ICE to fire up.

[@pinkjuano]

Glad I saw this comment, I have been thinking of getting a sorento phev but may end up choosing this outlander instead. I also have a 60lb dog that doesn’t like to sit still in a car very well and hadn’t considered the issues a captain’s chair might cause haha

[@everybodydothebartman7413]

We have a 90lb dog and are only looking at SUV’s with a third row just for her! 😅 She is uncomfortable in the rear without a seat back and can’t do the captains chairs so this seems to fit the bill!

[@mg7685]

Alex, is the top trim better than the lowest trim of the Chrysler Pacfica PHEV?

[@jmsmikey]

I wish the 2 row Aspire trim would come to North America~

[@therealcdnuser]

I am kicking myself for buying my wife a 2017 Santa Fe instead of the 2017 Outlander PHEV.

[@mikeintampa250]

Stop kicking yourself and trade it in for this one. I did three weeks ago and love it.

[@dpc316]

I bought one great review !

[@jordydan1]

FYI, the Outlander has reached a 4th gen., but it is also true that as PHEV is only the 2nd gen. Resemblance to Range Rover comes due to the fact that in reality Range Rover copied a lot of the 3rd gen Outlander released in 2013 (just compare it with the RR Sport from 2016-2017), especially the shape of front and tail lights.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, The hybrid mpg is woeful compared to the competition.

[@backwoodsbungalow9674]

4:11 26mpg ☹️

[@skylerfrankum7717]

I've seen reviews say they've gotten mid to high 30's in hybrid mode and 26 mpg in charge mode

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@skylerfrankum7717 26 is the EPA rating

[@drzoidberg1]

I'm getting 6L/100km or 39 mpg in the winter on winter tires.

[@gmilne13]

@@drzoidberg1 Those are similar numbers to what we get after 6 months of driving.

[@USUG0]

if correctly engineered, a series hybrid should return a better fuel economy than a parallel hybrid. As the generator could work at constant load at regimes of max efficiency at highway speeds, as compared to constantly variable load of an engine in a parallel configuration. An SUV requires 40-50kW to cruise at 70-80mph. A correctly dimensioned engine should output that power at around 3000rpm, potentially returning 40-50mpg. With correctly dimensioned battery to fill in the transient load changes, and electric motors dimensioned and geared like they would be in an EV

[@themanthemyththebanger]

That's pretty much why Nissan is going all-in on its e-POWER series hybrid system... everywhere except America.

[@USUG0]

@@themanthemyththebanger something that should/could have been done, at least ten years ago, though

[@paulehrhard5572]

I do wish it had a CCS outlet, since the newer chargers often do not have any CHADMO plugs.

[@richardburgel3038]

PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ... THE 3RD. ROW IN THIS CLASS IS OF MID-SIZE SUV'S ISTERRIFIC .... NOT FOR ADULTS, BUT GREAT FOR SMALL KIDS ETC. SPEND THISANDS MORE FOR A BIGGER SUV IF 3RD. ROW IS YOUR HOT BUTTON ... THIS OUTLANDER BLOWS AWAY THE COMPETITION IN IT'S CLASS .... BY - PRICE - QUALITY - WARRANTIES - FEATURES

[@clemnewton9007]

Rain shows up when we at least expect it but it gives you a different test drive

[@lolotus4borderless]

Interesting concept from Mitsu... It doesn't look like we are leaving the PHEV compromised world anytime soon in north America

[@nc3826]

It's actually more popular in the rest of the world

[@lolotus4borderless]

@@nc3826 absolutely right, in markets where people have no range needs beyond 25 miles per day.

[@pinkjuano]

Ideally the phev world is the best world, especially for Americans. As the range limits get closer to 50 miles for phev battery packs (and ideally, hopefully they’ll end up reaching as high as 75-100 miles,) it’d be fairly easy for most Americans to drive to work one way in EV only mode, charge at work with level 2 charger, and be fully charged by the end of the work day so they can go back home in EV only mode as well. Since we love our road trips but don’t typically take more than a couple of trips per year, nor do we really travel more than 100 miles in a single day anyways, the gas engine is better suited for those long trips/days as opposed to an EV only car with a battery pack 10 times the size of a PHEV battery pack. It’s a waste of battery resources to make those massive battery packs that will hardly ever be fully depleted. It makes so much more sense to push for PHEVs and more level 2 charging infrastructure at work places to help enable that. Gas would only have to be used for road trips or days of really, really heavy driving. I guess if anyone does do a lot of driving every day, like rideshare or delivery drivers, then sure, those guys need EVs to truly curtail their gas use, but the majority of Americans simply don’t need a massive battery pack.

[@themanthemyththebanger]

@@pinkjuano the answer you're looking for is "cheap 150-to-200-mile EVs" for that 95% of commuting use, plus rental/ride-sharing/mass transit for those couple of road trips a year. But, we Americans are forever stuck on overbuying cars (actually, trucks and SUVs) for capabilities we seldom (or never) use.

[@picturelounge1334]

I liked your review. Two things you talked about: 1. Floatiness in The front axel 2. It pushes around the corner due to rear motor more powerfull. Does that mean this car struggles to stay in the centre of the lane and you have to keep correcting it all the time? The reason i am asking is because i owned a hyundai Elantra in the past with the same problem and i ended up selling it because manufacturer failed to fix the problem and there was a major recall as well later.

[@skylerfrankum7717]

Saw a video on car help corner youtube channel that brought up the fact that turbo engines typically need to be in use longer to keep it healthy, and that it being in and hev or phev (constantly being run for short spurts) could potentially lead to issues down the road, I've got a deposit on the sportage phev and now I'm thinking of putting one down on this aswell, do you think a turbo in a hybrid is something to worry about?

[@davidyang577]

Just another thing to go wrong that's all. If the power was night and day difference, then that would be different story but its not in this case. Also you will find that the outlander phev has a better depreciation value than the kia. But overall, the outlander is a better equipped and AWD handling performance.

[@at-large4951]

It's the worst idea to put a turbo in a hybrid vehicle.

[@TC-hs5wy]

Id go Outlander. Looks the best and is upscale.

[@dacna01]

Can you please do a video on the V2L, and more importantly, V2H. As I understand it, V2H, is done with bidirectional charger through the ChadeMO connection. Would love to see it completely installed and powering a home.

[@anthonyg8435]

That feature is not available on U.S. models. I think Autel is coming out with a V2H home charging station that's supposed to be universal. Not coming out until summer though.

[@nc3826]

dcbel r16 CHAdeMO bi-directional charge is available in the U.S..... and Delta′s 6kW V2X Charger is a bi-directional which is. marketed in North America, Europe, Asia Pacific, Japan.... and the COMING SOON Autel MaxiCharger DCV2X shows a CCS connector.... but CHAdeMO is DOA in the USA, so it would be a poor investment....

[@seabream]

@@nc3826 If I remember correctly, on the dcbel r16, they can change out the plug to CCS later if you get a vehicle that needs it, so you don't need to buy a whole new unit when the time comes. I'm considering one for my Nissan LEAF since it's considerably cheaper than getting a whole home inverter, transfer switch, and stationary batteries of the same capacity for backup purposes. Plus there's the solar integration and the intelligent charging management. Currently not available in my part of the world, but supposed to be in the new year or two. Only thing I want to get clarified is generator integration for longer outages. Ideally I'd want to trigger the generator to run automatically when the car battery goes low, and turn off when the battery is charged above a threshold, but I think I might need additional hardware and software.

[@nc3826]

@@seabream When I checked out the dcbel r16, months ago the CHAdeMO version vs the CCS type1 version, were totally separate... With the CCS version supposed to be getting bidirectional charging capabilities at a later date.... Those subset of protocols were not finalized... CHAdeMO vs CCS type1 DCFC standards, are based on different protocols (It's analogous to them speaking different languages)... So if dcbel offers a conversion option now, that would be very unusual in the industry... and they are designed for the North American market, with a 120-volt split phase service... And I'm aware of the other capabilities it offers, depending on how it's configured.... It's a relatively new and small company, so I would suggest triple checking everything ahead of time... And good luck getting configured and installed to meet your needs...

[@nameless-og]

Wallbox may be the only one that is reasonable at the moment, but still, it's like 5000k 😆 A couple of manufacturers are working on one for later this year that is only twice the cost of a regular home charger though... I wouldn't expect many videos before then... try die hard Leaf owners if you want a preview

[@CaptSavageOZ]

I'm looking at the Outlander PHEV, but the mid-spec version rather than the fully loaded version. Yes I would be interested in a long-term review as I am not looking at buying immediately.

[@GautamAtri]

Toyota Highlander LE AWD Hybrid is $42,000

[@nameless-og]

No blue badging? Does that mean the Canadians are putting previous generation badging on theirs or is it just different?

[@hoyhoy1605]

I dont have garage to plug it in. Do you think it is still economical to own one? I am thinking of trading in my Outlnader 22 GT for the PHEV version.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

If you can't charge reliably at work or home daily (maybe weekly) I can't say a PHEV is a slam dunk best option. In this case though, all you need is access to a standard 120v outlet. -Travis

[@hoyhoy1605]

⁠@@EVBuyersGuideI was thinking of the regenerative breaking that could help me recharging the battery. I drive at least 31km going to work and another 31km going home. Maybe I can use the EV mode whenever I need to go to the grocery store.

[@macscott5258]

At the 3m marker you give stats. You say 26 MPG Hybrid Mode. Maybe a typo? It is 26 MPG in gas only mode once the EV is entirely depleted. In Hybrid mode (with a charged battery and gas engine working cooperatively), one gets ~64 MPG.

[@jigs8437]

This is definitely not under $40k anywhere you go to dealership

[@infiniteightjon]

This color is silver right?

[@keyner111]

Diamond white with a black roof

[@dongidongi]

What are the differences between the videos you upload on Alex on Autos vs. Here?

[@EVBuyersGuide]

These are pretty close, I decided to post it on both channels because this is in the running for the next long term test vehicle for both channels. EVs will be here 99% of the time, gas vehicles will always 100% of the time be over there. Sometimes there will be cross pollination where it seems right.

[@ruudkraan7072]

Some one gold me a CCS PLUG! That’s not right, its CHEDAMO PLUG (oldervsystem)

[@timgurr1876]

Not certain I would buy a plug-in hybrid?? Not certain I would want the hassle of plugging it in along with having to buy fuel?? Of course, with rising interest rates and car prices, not certain I can afford a new car since I’m retired and the financial markets have tanked. Interesting concept. Outlander seems to have some nice features, but I’m not familiar with the hybrid vehicles. I don’t like the “orange” color on the dashboard. Maybe there are other interior options?? What is the towing capacity? I presently have a 2017 Nissan Pathfinder and it has a 6000 lb towing capacity. I typically get 25 mpg at 70 mph in the summer months; 20 to 22 in the city. Winter really impacts mpg, but that typical for any ICE vehicle. Good review. Thanks.

[@mikeintampa250]

I bought this three weeks ago and have rarely used any gas. I keep on driving it in EV only mode and it says I'm driving an EV 90% of the time that number would have been higher had my dealer remember to charge it up for the 200-mile long ride home, LOL. It is an awesome vehicle. It can tow up to 1,500 pounds I don't know if that's enough for you. you

[@zekew7546]

I yhink OL phrv has a cooler for battery. Is that supposed to help battery last longer down the road? PS heard no homelink garage opener mirror. Whatta a hassle....

[@gobrad]

With Tucson take the leap to integrate the screen and dash, there’s no excuse to have the screen awkwardly stuck on top!! Huge distraction and messy looking! But nice car 🚗

[@daves1646]

R1S?? Sure it’s not a hybrid, and it IS Xpn$v, BUT it’s a plugin 3-row SUV. And once Rivian gets the suspension dynamics sorted, it’ll bring all the good things you know from R1T WITH that 3rd row (but no gear tunnel).

[@EVBuyersGuide]

I mean the fact that it's way more than double the price is a pretty big difference...

[@ChrisParayno]

I think the Hybrid/plug-in sorento is a better buy then the Outlander.

[@msbgone]

I don't remember hearing an audio issue, but I believe you...

[@james2042]

this is basically a modern volt

[@therolando608]

I mean, there are tons of PHEVs on the market now. The Prius Prime is probably the closest to the Volt in terms of size

[@james2042]

@@therolando608 Well no the volt was an EV first with a gas range extender. There was no mechanical linkage between the anemic gas motor and the wheels. In terms of size the prius prime, the ioniq phev (discontinued for 2022) and the clarity

[@johndonaldson5126]

On board 3.3Kw charger is inadequate

[@therolando608]

Normally I'd say it was perfectly adequate, however, the poor efficiency of the Outlander means it's battery pack is pretty large which means 3.3 really is quite slow. I had a RAV4 Prime and the smaller more efficient battery was fine with 3.3.

[@KalleSWBeck]

Outlander will be interesting as it’s the quirkiest but I’d probably get the Sorento

[@gustavoantoniocoloradoherr156]

que lux como me humillan no tengo un millon de vistas gracias ....

[@AmperageY]

Pacifica does the 7 seater phev better 🥱

[@alanbland1976]

The Pacifica costs about $10k more and has reliability issues. If you have a real need for a third row then an Outlander isn't for you. It's third row is definitely small, and really only fit for occasional use. But where I don't personally need a third row more than a few times a year there's no way I would take a Pacifica over an Outlander. I'd be paying more to get a worse product.

[@spaceapproval6823]

You did this review 11 days ago and don't own the vehicle??? Others have already done this type of review 2 months ago. Guess these really are selling like hot cakes. Just for your information you should head over to the Canadian reviewer who also did the review a dozen days ago in Canada's cold climate and got drastically better figures than the regurgitated EPA figures that you got. Hint the hybrid driving beat out those competitors you had mentioned all while driving in our winter weather...

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Their numbers included some EV driving which will bump the number up. I am familiar with the reviews and journalists that were on that program

[@SB-en5uz]

@@EVBuyersGuide So you mean that in hybrid mode, the fuel economy is 26mpg? We know that the PHEV is heavier (400kg) than the regular gas model...but how can they have the same fuel efficiency? It would mean that the hybrid mode on the PHEV has 0 effect vs gas model. If it's 26mpg in NORMAL mode (hybrid), then on SAVE mode (only gas) it would be something like 20-22mpg?

[@therolando608]

I like that the RAV4 Prime is getting more competition, but I don't like this car for many reasons. The outlander gets a measly 64 MPGe compared to the RAV4 Prime's 94; a 30% reduction in efficiency. You would expect, then, to get more cargo space than the RAV4. The Outlander does, but 65 ft3 is insignificantly more than the Prime's 63 ft3. The third row is completely unusable and I'd much rather have the Prime's spare tire. Including a soon to be depreciated fast charging standard also doesn't make any sense and increased the cost of the Outlander for no benefit. A lot of strange decisions and bad efficiency make this a strong no for me.

[@davidyang577]

The fuel consumption on paper is different to reality. On long journeys, the outlander should be on SAVE mode, and that has been giving us about 6-7l/100km with a full load. The rav4 hybrid, you get about the same but you dunt get to use full EV mode like the outlander during short journeys and that's where a big saving is from the outlander. Because generally, people don't go on a long journey each day.

[@davidyang577]

@nurpurp15 prime is driven by transmission and not a direct drive like the Mitsi. So even though they are both phev, but they use different technology to power the electric motors and that's why the prime cannot drive on full EV like the Outlander does. Even though both are phev. Hope this make sense to you.

[@therolando608]

@@davidyang577 the Prime can absolutely drive in EV only mode. I had a Prime and didn't use a drop of gas for the majority of my driving.

[@Noname-rw2gi]

Mom and dad? How about something just a tad more inclusive?

[@Demobot1]

What do you mean?

[@Dan-tv7kk]

Hay you'd see that snail pass this bus get out of the way mud. Duck on it's. Way

[@tjs114]

To me, the Outlander is what happens when you slap a lot of lipstick on a pig. Many attempts to move upscale, but implemented poorly or illogically. The flip & fold third row, lifted directly out of minivans since about 2000 but those minivans still offered a spare tire. The Sorento includes a spare tire simply by mounting underneath the vehicle like trucks have done since the 1950s. Adding DC Fast Charging is nice; but by choosing CHAdeMO, they are drastically limiting the usability since probably less than 5 percent of DC Fast Chargers installed these days are that standard and there is the fact that CCS is a combo connector which takes up less space on the vehicle while CHAdeMO is an entirely separate connector. And finally, it's a Mitsubishi, which means finding a dealership that last more than the lifespan of a Mayfly and paying higher insurance rates due to a lack of part availability.

[@adamcoe]

so...don't buy one if you don't like it? thanks for your input, i'll alert the media of your position

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

that thing is fugly. enough reason to not buy it. then the MPG makes it a worthless feat of engineering. $40k ugly joke.

[@adamcoe]

so don't buy one? hundreds of thousands of people in Asia and Europe disagree with you because they've sold a fuck ton of these things but thanks for your input.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

@@adamcoe just goes to show the poor taste in asia and europe