EVE Online - Mining most Valuable Ore in lowsec

[@Icitoso]

From your vids the Prospect seems like a generally useful ship for some more chill activities, so I think I'll spec for it once I'm don with Tengu.

[@mikspurins1455]

Pretty much all cov ops vessels are nice. Especially for traveling through LS. As long as you keep an eye out for SB camps, you're almost entirely uncatchable. The prospect specifically - nice on many fronts. Arguably a much safer miner than a Venture. Much more survivable than a t2 scanner. And thus has much more spook effect due to possibility of Cov Ops Cyno. One appearing in NS can cause local Capitals to dock within 5j+ radius... xD Although personally, I think I'd prefer an Endurance for LS application - that thing can have some actual teeth! But that's just my personal opinion...

[@seppokajantie9588]

The residue is minerals being destroyed in the rock due to using t2 lasers. I don't know what the meta is but it might be worth using t1s when mining rare rocks (although on the reverse speed especially matters in low-sec).

[@mine7417]

So for 0 residue you can either use tech 1 or use the faction mining lasers. With tech 2 you'll always have some residue but the type of crystals you use affect how much

[@happyhour5419]

extactly.@@mine7417 if you use faction miners in highsec you will get ganked sooner than most miners. t1 is slower but no ore loss and is cheap.

[@Jodenis84]

In this case it’s better to use T2 and look for more anoms

[@ginjaedgy49]

in low sec i think speed is more important than loss, because longer you're on grid more likely you'll get caught

[@jameswohler985]

You still get your yield, but you use up the rocks quicker. Using B grade crystals makes the most sense unless you are mining moon rocks where it costs money to pop the moon and the belt is limited, so you want to maximize yield over speed.

[@jaredbarton8456]

I actually mine in Pochven using expedition frigs. Its usually quiet and its rather hard to get hot dropped on due to how the anomalies work. Been hunted a few times, had one close call with someone who really really wanted to get me. Otherwise ive brought in tons of valueable minerals. The abyssal ores have the best concentrations of good stuff per m3. Logistics using filaments can be annoying, but i don't mind it too much.

[@mikspurins1455]

While I'm actually a bit curious about your isk/h, that alone wont get me back into mining. I'm done with my dark past... Does sound like a fun activity though - choosing dangerous space can be nice to keep you on your tones, making the whole experience completely different from regular mining.

[@jaredbarton8456]

@@mikspurins1455 my isk per hour is decent for a single or duo miner. I think it's important to consider the alternative. Yes you can boost and have 4 alts with an orca, but that is billions in investment. An endurance costs only about 30 mil fully fitted. With only t2 miners I can fill that ship in 30 minutes. The mineral value of hadal grade ore makes that about 15 million with good skills. So the ship pays for itself with 2 cargo loads. If you factor in travel and occasional disruption it's maybe 25 mil an hour, not great, not terrible for the investment. T2 abyssal crystals are going to bring that ratio way up too. Still training there. I've considered a porpoise but I don't think it's worth the risk. There's a reason isogen is 10 times more expensive than it used to be. Do I make more doing abyssal filaments? Absolutely, but sometimes it's nice to just mine. I'm an industrial player so everything I haven't gets used in my crafting projects, currently making all triglavian ships and my biggest expenditure for t1 ships is isogen.

[@ShannonJosephGlomb]

Thanks bro I appreciate that you made a video for exactly what I was looking for 😊

[@vvav]

Ochre is 3x as valuable as null sec ore, but compared to an unboosted mining frigate you can mine over 3x faster with barges and mining boosts. You really need boosts to make mining worthwhile. Sometimes you can get away with setting up a porpoise in these ochre fields for a few hours but you can also just randomly die because you self-tackle yourself with the core.

[@mikspurins1455]

With alts you can do everything faster. Which isn't really applicable to Solo players, I'm afraid... As for boosts - they only make sense with enough mining lasers on field, to validate removing one barge for boosts. Although at a certain level, even unbonused boosts with no core, would be welcome in the fleet, at minimal risk. Regardless, boosts or not, mining is still not worthwhile my time. I spent plenty of time doing just that in my early days to say with confidence - for profits, you're much better off doing almost anything else combat related. Not to mention, newer players seriously underestimate just how much SP it takes to mine efficiently, and dig their own graves by attempting to play Eve in what should be considered Nightmare Difficulty - mining and building their own stuff from day 1... Cruzaq challenge is a challenge for a reason, yk...

[@QualeQualeson]

From what I understand residue doesn't subtract from what you take in, only from the sum total in the asteroid. So if your plan is to grab some and run, it doesn't matter. But if you plan to have it all, you lose that percentage. It's basically small scale mining vs large scale resource management. Makes me wonder if mining ops in controlled null space chooses to use zero residue gear for example.

[@teyno47]

Definitely on the higher value moon ores (R32/R64) it is not uncommon to see corp/alliance policies regarding the fit, usually these may only be mined with T1 or ORE strip miners.

[@ElizabethRobertson-b4z]

I'm no miner, but I do the daily in hisec. I just love using an Arbitrator fitted for drone mining. It's insane, I fill my cargohold fitted with expenders in a rotation. It's like a massive digging tool with a carrying bag too small for the job. Your mining mission if you accept it, find a decent job for the bird :P

[@m.atthiash]

I was thinking about running a barge in low but you are very fast getting a target because of pure value. With the procurer you have the advantage of the cloaking device and bigger mininghold. Do take the double mining amount into account of the prospect .

[@Revenant326]

so how fo you sell ur Ore gor maximum profit? like you go to specific trading hub or you sell in high sec? i really find it hard to sell after mining. i do Arkonor and Gneiss lately. any ideas about Ore selling will be helpful and thanks

[@bombardier010]

I mine Ochre whenever an Ore Anomaly spawns in the nearby lowsec system.I do it with 1 Porp 1 Covetor and 2 Retrievers.I only use T1 lasers and drones. Don't wanna waste those precious Ochre.

[@griffenlancer]

Hey Aceface can you showcase an incursion sometime please?, I think id prefer to explore low-sec mining with a venture rather!

[@mikspurins1455]

Sansha Incursions aren't something you can do Solo, so I wouldn't get my hopes up for that... Also - while there are groups running them and allowing newer pilots to join, you still have to meet minimum ship/fit requirements. The Skill requirements alone can be pretty steep, and the most optimal fits also cost a pretty penny... That said, there's quite a bit of info on Eve Universe Wiki, so checking that out for starters might be a good idea. Next up you just need to find the groups doing them, been a while so wouldn't be able to tell you any active ones, but there should be chat channels in-game, and possibly some posts or other advertisement elsewhere. Either way, if you want to understand incursion, there is no better way that getting one's feet wet. Actually flying in a fleet and learning stuff as you go. No better learning than actual experience imo... As for the ship choice - it depends on your circumstances. If you can fly something with a Cov Ops cloak, that's generally the best choice for LS application. Guarantees much more survivability, especially in traveling scenarios. And, while Ventures might be nice, cheap and disposable, the issue is that you WILL actually lose them every now and then. So you really need to consider, just how much time you actually mine in LS, how deep you go, and what the local space is like. If you can fly a more expensive ship with reduced risks, it can make more financial sense - especially in the long term. Under the right circumstances, even Barges/Exhumers a reasonable choice in LS.

[@curtis906]

How well does it hold up vs local rats ?

[@willemhoving7268]

nice video sir, keep em coming.

[@deydraniadiancecht8298]

If the most valuable ore in this game still makes an Exhumer seem too expensive, then there is no reason to ever go mine in low sec. I'll keep mining in high sec while my skills train up enough for me to fit my Battleship so that I can run L4 missions. That's the only reason I'm mining. I waiting for my Megathron to be fitted. Right now, I'm sitting pretty in a Skiff mining ice and 0.7 roids and it's stress free. Everyone says, "Go mine in low sec- it's so much more valuable!" Thank you for showing me that that was incorrect. From what I've seen, L4 missions are where the money is. If ore in low sec was half as valuable as they say it is, you'd have a fleet of skiffs in your hanger.

[@SilverforceX]

Low sec mining is profitable but you need to be part of a crew that controls those regions so you mine with fleet bonuses. The multiplier on yield quickly adds up.

[@xrsroofingsolutionscanada2151]

I know you have done a ton of videos in abyssal already but I would like a short series of T1 -T6 fits each level (video) using a couple different option especially T1-T3 and no gilas until T4 and the same T3 - T6 also using a few different ships not just gilas. I feel like especially T1-T3 people can get comfortably move up and then before jumping to T4 (gila) they can get that gila and run the T3 they are already used to and once extremely comfortable take the jump to T4.

[@1010ajb]

When CCP added crystals to T2 miners they introduced the concept of residue or wasted ore. Essentially residue is extra ore over and above the amount that you mine that is destroyed each cycle. Residue can be zero if you are using T1 or faction mining modules .eg if your miner takes 50m3 per cycle with a residue of 10m3 then the total amount of ore left in the rock is reduced by 50+10 or 60. This is why serious nullsec moon miners all use Ore strip Miner modules at a ridiculous 240m apiece as they have zero% chance of residue

[@brunog.campos3236]

Can alpha clones mine this ore? I dont have real life money to pay the game subscription, so I'm trying to farm isk to pay for it. This ore may be a good source of isk. Thx! By the way I love your videos!! They made me retturn to eve

[@mikspurins1455]

As an alpha trying to earn enough for Plex - stop mining. Seriously. It's cool to do if that's your jam and all, but for profits - one of the worst careers a new player can take. Exploring is one option. T1 scanning frigates are cheap, and easy to skill into. And should get you more isk/h in HS than a venture. Although the truly nice profits WILL require risks - either as Ghost Sites, LS or diving in Null/WH... Null/WH would arguably pay the best, so if you can survive it, a single trip could potentially pay for dozens of the cheap t1 scanning ships. It's how I made some pretty nice isk during my alpha time, as well as learned some very valuable surviving lessons. Mostly by exploding... Another option is Abyss. Lower tiers don't pay too much, but are still better isk/h than Alpha mining imo. Again, some risk involved, but at least getting started with Tranquils is pretty straight forward. Just stick to t1 Rigs initially, to reduce potential losses, and only upgrade as you get more experienced/confident. Even running HS anomalies with a combat ship has better profitability. Rat bounties being just the mere surface of the picture. Lower level sites like Hideaways can easily be done with a t1 fit frigate, and have a chance to spawn a faction NPC. Those have a further chance to drop faction items. Some of which can easily be worth 100+mil. Most though aren't... Granted, since there are 2 separate RNG rolls, the chances of getting lucky are fairly slim. But a single lucky drop can easily mean much more profit than you'd get with a venture over a week... And then there is the 3rd RNG roll, that can happen independently of the faction spawn - you might get an escalation. Running escalations/scanned DED sites can be one of the more profitable activities for an Alpha. Each major pirate faction has corresponding complexes, and they vary in difficulty as well as potential loot. If gotten from anomalies, different factions can give you different difficulty sites from same name/level anomalies. For example, Guristas refuge/hideaways can give 4/10 escalation, while Serpentis only 3/10. Alternatively, they can be scanned down with an exploration frigate. As an Alpha, however, you want at least a cruiser to run these. There are 1/10 and 2/10 that you can't enter with ships bigger than frigate/destroyer, but the better paying sites are definitely 3 and 4/10. DED sites can, however, be pretty deadly for new pilots. So do your research before diving into them. Focus on survivability first, and only when you're comfortably tanking, work on increasing DPS for faster clear times. But the general trend is the same - profits will vary with your luck. However, the lowest income alone should outperform venture mining, making other activities much more appealing in my eyes. The one downside to them being - it actually takes more effort than mining. Especially when you're still only learning how to do new stuff in the game. But learning is well worth it - even if you don't find the content up your alley, trying your hand at it should at least teach you something new about the game. And, hopefully, make you better at it.

[@mayanikapepula6434]

Also, gas huffing is another way of making a lot isk. It's a high-risk high reward activity that is best done in low and null sec and wormholes.

[@brunog.campos3236]

@@mikspurins1455 thank you very much for all the valuable information you provided

[@mikspurins1455]

@@brunog.campos3236 Depending on how hard pressed for Isk you are, sticking to mining can work - at least coupled with Project Discovery. Alphas are limited in how much they can earn from it, but it's still pretty nice income for completely fresh characters. Should speed up acquiring stuff for other activities dramatically. Also - joining a corp might be a good idea. Being new and not knowing left from right can get pretty frustrating. Luckily, you don't necessarily need to go through the learning alone. Eve has plenty of players willing to help out newbies with knowledge, advise, and, in some cases, even free starting ships. Finding a good corp can greatly improve you experience, as well offer other benefits. Most groups offer some incentives to new recruits. Whether it's mining boosts, resource/loot buyback services, freight services or even completely established Industrial Facilities in case for Null Alliances... Needless to say, joining a corp can drastically improve your ability to make some money, even if you choose to stick with mining only. Sadly, there are plenty of predatory corps as well. With unfair buyback pricing, straight out scamming newbies, or requiring some sort of payment for boosts... Unfortunately there's a number of unsavory ways people get exploited, so you need to keep your eyes out for that, and leave if you smell anything fishy. Luckily, most groups are generally nice, well meaning people. Especially so for larger groups, that also have to tend to their reputation. So if you do join one, trying to make sure it's as big as possible sounds like a decent strategy. Do check the Corporation info for War Eligibility/History. The last thing you want is to join a group that's actively at war.

[@Jodenis84]

Lowsec gas huffing is the way you want to do this as a noob. It’s better than wh, but nullsec is really good too.

[@happyhour5419]

Its seem you dont remeber the mining nerf to mining lasers. t2 mining lasers waste(destroy some of the ore in the astreoid ) you do get the full amont per cycle just not all the ore from the astreoid if you want to get all the ore from the rock you need to use t1/meta miners. t2 mine faster but destroy some of the ore in the rock. some lasers mine even faster but you destroy the rock faster and lose some of the rock the value you gain per cycle is greather but the overall gain from the rock is lower.

[@smokinggun8418]

I did it with Venture. couple of times almost died to npc. Only they made it not boring.

[@SilverforceX]

Btw never do this in a solo Barge you will not be able to warp off in time when pvpers arrive. The prospect can cloak is safer.

[@crankyboris]

hehehe, the G is silent , it's more like niece.

[@jogyrt1858]

most valuable in low is Ytirium

[@brewgamingworlds8419]

porpoise for boosting!

[@coerydouglas1924]

use miner 1s no loss o7 go well

[@jamesp9304]

This is just propaganda for pirates. Hes making it look easy but you die most of the time when you go into the ore anomalies. I dont know why the put videos like this out.

[@Aceyface]

if you actually watched the video I said this is very rare, dumb dumb!!!!

[@scottbromley1818]

Keep an eye on d scan and local. Unless they're tackling you in a rocket bomber you should NEVER be caught. In the prospect sit 5k plus off the rocks and if someone warps in cloak and warp. Just because you get caught doesn't mean everyone will.

[@10mmWiseman]

SO that whole giveway thing was just a bunch of bullshit to get subscribers and likes i take it? no one i know got a damn thing from you.

[@BLACKBIODRAGON]

next time you decide to grow your channel by a giveaway, be honest and say I want to attempt to boost my subs by giving free shit away, don't lie buy saying you wanna help players. 1a protected free speech. PS I removed my sub because I despise liars. PSS, low sec mining requires multi boxing, mining in any ship other than a mining Frigate will get you ganked.

[@mikspurins1455]

Urm... I'll just ignore you sub/giveaway opinion for now... But no, LS mining does NOT require alts. Having them would be preferable, but it isn't in any sense a hard necessity. If you choose the system well, and set it up for your use with BMs etc, you can easily mine solo. Using a Frigate vs anything else also depends more on your ability to survive through means other than raw tank. Do you D-scan, are all the gates within scan range, how are you dealing with align times on slower hulls... All these things matter for LS survivability, and them some... Also - ventures probably die more than any other mining ship in LS. While a good deal of the reason is hopeful newbros doing what the ship name suggests, there's more to it than that. Warp Core strength doesn't matter under multiple scrams. Or if you evaporate under a single trasher volley. Also - you CAN warp stab barges too, if you so wish. Although depending on usage, you could argue they have plenty of EHP/DPS to deal with random frigate threats by themselves. There's a reason why Procurers are notorious for being bait. Although from my personal Alpha days experience, the thing that works best is - do everything counter to what the would be miner gankers look for. Mining ship? Hell nah, I flew a Gnosis and jetmined. Desolate LS space? Nope, FW territories instead. Belt? No, ore anomalies or despawned sites (anomalies and scannable sites had plenty of good ore back then...). Ships from that setup lost - 1 barebones Miasmos I failed to smuggle in the system unnoticed. How? Easy, nobody expects to find a gnosis mining in LS. It's also pretty annoying to fight against, especially in frigates, that make up the majority of FW pilots. The relatively fast align also allows you to warp off, as soon as you see something you don't like on D-scan. Simply put - most ppl wouldn't bother looking for you. And those that would, get inevitably thrown off by your unexpected location. I laughingly called it the best Heist an Alpha could pull off - clearing entire anomalies off rocks. Although, looking back, I must admit the profits seem much less amazing now than they did back then...

[@happyhour5419]

i dont think he that kinda of a person. He said he prefer to get rid the isk he got from refs and his eve partner program . He want to feel how its like to grind legit with the skills he got on his main. i would understand its would kill his mood to play when he bath in isk that he got from eve partner program. there no satisfaction making isk or lossing stuff when you got so much money. Make sense to me. he's been making videos for ages on eve 3 years now . why he would start now to do it. Its could be you're right if he doesnt offer real contant on eve or being interesting there no point of being sub to him regadless how he really is. As for mining as for solo player you either sub few accounts to "solo" mining to be profitable or you're just join a low/null corp mining fleet

[@mikspurins1455]

@@happyhour5419 As much as I agree to everything else, I just don't see mining as profitable... Mining as an Alpha will never make economic sense, just don't do it... there's plenty of more profitable and fun content to enjoy even as Free2Play... no need to be a masochist. Next - Subbing versus Plexing also need to be expanded upon. You would need max skills/boosts to even hope to plex your account with just mining. While not impossible, simple math can tell you just how many hours/month that would take. Simply put - a damn headache that will constantly heavily eat into your profits, if not worse. On the other hand - if the sub costs don't matter to you, mining is instead a great source of semi-passive income. Especially if you can easily afford to sub extra toons. I do, however, entirely agree that LS/Null are the best places for miners to aim at. HS is just too oversaturated to make any sort of economic sense anyway. And Industrial Complex bonuses only further amplify the issue. Plus, there are plenty of Corps/Alliances constantly recruiting, with all indy facilities already neatly set up. And many also offer great terms like free ships for newbies. Which, honestly, you will need, while you learn how to not get killed. Lessons actually better learnt early, as they will serve you throughout their entire Eve career. Although, from my point of view, mining as such is only valid if you enjoy the sandbox experience and stuff. With or without Omega, you can make much better profits elsewhere, often at much lower SP/ISK investment. Nothing wrong if you enjoy playing that way, on the contrary - more power to you. But for newbies especially, I think it's important to try as much variety in content as possible, rather than fixate on mining as their option. There's plenty of wonderful and fun stuff to do in Eve that even they might enjoy so much more, yet never get to experience... Heck, I never fully recovered once a friend taught me how escalations work. Although at that point, it only made me wish I had changed career from mining sooner. I still keep the skills though, as some variety every now and then can be helpful :)

[@mikspurins1455]

@@happyhour5419 I also don't think Acey is that sort of people... I've gotten some from past giveaways, read comments of others thanking him after getting some... So at least from my point of view, seems pretty legit. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. As for Solo mining - depending on your financial situation or RL vs Game money views, subbing multiple toons can be either easy extra profit, or not an option to begin with. Firstly though - spending the money of a sub towards Plex and selling it on market can make much more profit than a mining toon would over the course of a month. Unless you only consider Sub a quality of like improvement, and don't count it towards your game wallet balance. In which case yes - a Rorq +20 Hulk alts will mine for insane profits. On the other extreme - someone playing for free and tryin to buy Plex for Omega will struggle beyond imagination to cover the costs with only mining... Better to stay alpha, and spend the hard mined resources towards other activities instead. Or pick other activities to plex one's account, using any extra time to mine if you're so desperate to play that way. Joining Null/LS is good, though, even for solo, mostly industrially minded individuals. Although there's place there even for dedicated Alpha pilots, I'd still advise Omega, to avoid unnecessary headache. Other than that - Mining Boosts and/or well established industrial networks are great for improving your profits. Comes with the extra benefit of dangerous home space, that actually forces you to learn more about the game. Which, even if you don't stay in those corps, will become skills you can use forever after.

[@BLACKBIODRAGON]

@@mikspurins1455 I don't need an essay only to say the same thing I said, if you are going to solo mine in Low Sec USE A FRIGATE.