EVE Online Review

The EVE Online review looks at a game about political intrigue, slaying whales, and suffering while spinning your Talwar in station.
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00:00 - Intro
00:43 - Game Background & Premise
2:11 - Mining & the New Player Experience
3:35 - Space Security & Ganking
5:54 - Hauling
6:27 - PVE
9:54 - Salvaging
10:36 - Trading
10:47 - The Playerbase
13:55 - Walking in Stations (No Longer Exists)
14:30 - Exploration
16:24 - Research & Manufacturing
17:19 - Planetary Interaction & Dust 514
19:52 - PVP
25:32 - Wormholes
26:40 - Monetization Model (EVE is MUCH More P2W Now)
27:58 - Miscellaneous Items & Conclusions
29:23 - Credits

[@MandaloreGaming]

THE LIST - docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_K3ziSxT9zcUUGCddS4sF1uNJTWHSbOwB1CQX2Rx4Uo Try EVE with a million extra skillpoints (seriously, it's that much now?) - www.eveonline.com/signup/?invc=eba892aa-a5af-4a0b-8448-3980bf599657 GOG Homepage - www.gog.com/partner/mandalore?pp=ea44f9f30a420daae75cc97b35ace35e373be70a EVE Online is now owned by Pearl Abyss, the minds behind Black Desert. Things were improving before but EVE is already heading in a very different direction now.

[@owenwells7692]

Just for peoples info theres also plans in the works, tentively scheduled for early next year at present, to vastly increase the number of ships and modules Alpha accounts can use and also increase the amount of skillpoints they can make use of. See here - www.twitch.tv/videos/180208500?t=2h25m00s - from about 2hours 25 onwards for details.

[@khamulthewack4732]

21:38 I need KKKidzbob in my life. Also, what was bad idea 61? Joke went over my head.

[@volitioncvrmmxcix]

as a vet dust player i want to both punch you and shake your hand, thank you for the in depth of eve, but dam you for that insult to a perfect game

[@abcxyz-ko8uc]

so a game that takes forever to do shit that everyone else has a bot doing for them since the game is so slow you cant even tell the difference between the two? and when I looked up the "biggest EVE war ever" it didn't even look like combat and all the comments complain about how it wasn't even playable? what a complete shit game lol no wonder its only a few thousand losers playing for 15 years. they are afraid to play an actual video game.

[@edgepixel8467]

MandaloreGaming What’s the blue game with orbits at 28:53?

[@theilluminatedone9214]

I gave up on this game after I had to look up a walkthrough for the tutorial.

[@theicelandicnationalist2.023]

Every time I look at footage of this video game I get a headache

[@awkwardcultism]

I was like that with Elona the first time I played.

[@yovtobe]

I also felt a bit confused starting out. I realized It's really not that hard to understand. Much simpler than it seems. You only need to focus on what matters. The bigger obstacle I hit as an inexperienced player was realizing I didn't know what was useful and what was a waste of time. I mean I had some fun in combat, but I couldn't figure out where to 'go' like what like I didn't have solid goals because I didn't know what I wanted to do. Maybe it's the fact that I avoided PvP, but I ultimately didn't feel like paying or playing anymore

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

I think I'm going to play Microsoft excel instead.

[@reviewreaper8508]

@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 Don't lose hope. Before you waste time learning the easy microsoft excel you can spend your time in Dwarf Fortress, that has more risk and higher risk.

[@FINALB]

When I started playing it years ago, the EVE Tutorial was something like this: ''Here's a ship, f*ck you''.

[@AirBRUH]

Lmao

[@mowglilp]

LoL.

[@eaglelizeranomaly8636]

The tutorial teaches you everything you should not be doing in EVE - i.e. how to waste your time, not have fun and hate the game. You could in theory, as a new player, not know the first thing about the game but rise to the top of corp within a week. With LIES and CHARISMA... RL charisma and RL lies. You wouldn't even ever have to leave your spacestation... hell you wouldn't even need to download the game. Just get teamspeak and eff with everyone.

[@stupidbowlofnuts]

I played this game 2 weeks, got bored to getting constantly killed. now I just have bots running on everyday to piss off players and I don't even bother doing anything myself anymore

[@mowglilp]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww not very smart, are you?

[@derekdrake8706]

This game makes me not want a spaceship.

[@marcusbravim]

Yes

[@indecisivecountdooku1340]

@@marcusbravim YeY

[@gabby3036]

Star Trek shoulda already done that. Ship takes a photon to rhe *anywhere* while you're manning a console, or kinda nearby a console, or actively running from a console? Yeah, welcome to lengthy rounds of dermal regeneration, at best - at worst, you're being commemorated among the other casualties as a number hastily rattled off by Ensign Still Alive in his report to the Captain, lost between the more important information about weapons' systems, hull integrity and the goddamn busted proopulsion.

[@bagfootbandit8745]

I spent 7 years in this game and I feel the same way

[@blackout295]

That ought to be an achievement

[@seth-rah]

Star citizen coming out >4 years later and we still don't have it.

[@moredetonation3755]

And we'll never have it

[@Test-sd2qp]

are you a girl

[@3dreamsequence]

Idk you can play right now. You waiting until release? Might as well buy your grandchildren a ship package

[@asmodeus1234]

4 and a half years

[@alexanderrahl7034]

When star citizen comes out, we will have real star ships lol

[@taylorcordell8708]

"You can't out rice the Chinese"

[@dt4236]

Taylor Cordell lmao!

[@patrickivthrowaway7266]

Japan

[@patrickivthrowaway7266]

r/whoooosh

[@MichaelS-vy1ku]

that moment you learn that most rice is made in the USA

[@bullo247]

@@MichaelS-vy1ku Actually, it's India, as are most things. I think the US is 3rd or 4th with Thailand and Vietnam near it.

[@fraznofire2508]

"they have support groups for suicidal people" *shows the mittani* lmao nice one

[@Codex_0613]

can u explain that one?

[@wsippel]

@@Codex_0613 The Mittani is the head of Goonswarm Federation/ CFC/ The Imperium, the largest and most powerful group in the game, which makes him the most influential person in all of Eve Online by a country mile. During an Eve Fanfest many moons ago, while he was also a member of the CSM (Council of Stellar Management, a player elected group of representatives supposed to communicate with the developers on behalf of the playerbase) and very drunk, there was an open mic thing, and he went on stage and told some troubled and suicidal dude he had beef with to kill himself. While wearing a wizard hat, which is very much a meme at this point. This led to his removal from the CSM, and he was also banned from the game for a few months.

[@andreacapuano585]

@@wsippel and yet ggix get perma ban for the same thing

[@ohgodhehasairpodsin7116]

@@andreacapuano585 FREE GIGX

[@tygonmaster]

@@andreacapuano585 If you are just getting used to people with power and influence getting lower punishments for things in life, you have a lot to learn....

[@kg_canuck]

This sounds like a game that would be really really fun and rewarding to develop, and an absolute god awful chore to play.

[@stankobarabata2406]

Not as much of a chore if you're a social person who likes talking to people. You can accomplish a lot by just talking, actually. It's how I got free BPs, free ORE frigates (the basic mining ship) and a Battleship-class Apocalypse. The gameplay isn't anything to write home about, but then again this is more of a chill game most of the time, unless you're working in low-null sec. I didn't, I worked mostly in highsec, and I spent most of my time mining Rakovene (mining bad but Rakovene makes easy, safe and lots of money for beginners). Sadly, the psychopaths will most likely drive you away, as many have committed their entire free time to this game, which I simply can't do.

[@voidimperial1179]

Research the corps you plan on joining. I joined a small corp that occasionally did shit and was fun to hang with but then they decided to merge with one of those giant nullsec corps. Forgot the name. No idea if this is something they all do or if it was just this one, but they treated EVE like a second job - complete with "leave of absence" forms and taxes. Burned me out in a week. Also lost contact with every single one of the people I was in a corp with.

[@AveSicarius]

@@voidimperial1179 Why would you want to simulate the corporate drone experience in a game? That type of job burns people out extremely quickly in real life, I can't imagine trying to find some escape in game only for the same systems to be implemented by people. It sounds almost like people who work as corporate drones wanting to feel what it's like at the top, so they implement the same systems in an environment where they actually have power. Madness.

[@lewisvargrson]

@@HelghastStalker My most fun moment was being chased by 13 Pandemic Legion players because I was performing some Exploration in their territory. Took me 26 jumps but I finally got away with 300 million in loot.

[@CloakyStargazer]

@@lewisvargrson People who complain about the game being Excel online or a second job need to try wormhole/null exploration for a month and see how many times they'll shit their pants being chased around by hunters or a band of locals. Adrenaline shakes like in no other game, and it gets even better if you actually start hunting other explorers yourself. I pity the poor sods who just grind away in highsec or become F1 monkeys and burn out.

[@Astrodexterous]

The guy in that interview calling another player ‘subhuman’ just because they didn’t know the exact meaning of a term shows you exactly the kind of sociopaths that thrive in this game.

[@honeybadger6275]

Sound like my kind of people.

[@dylanherron3963]

@Cmdr Orion yeah i love when the majority of a playerbase larps as Space Nazis

[@ZBBBlL]

@Cmdr Orion especially when it gets to the point where they can’t distinguish reality from fantasy and they start killing themselves. Can’t wait

[@TheDilden]

​@@dylanherron3963unironically this

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

@@dylanherron3963 it is actually fun, just look at 40k

[@OverlordZephyros]

This game is like Halo but realistic like call of duty or battlefield.. I died

[@Druark]

Wat? I don't know what you're trying to say here? it's realistic? a joke? casual? you suck?

[@AleK0451]

what the fuck

[@Highwaysonyfan87]

Druark if you watched the whole video, there was a skit in there that said that

[@vjm3]

"That shot was AMAAAZZZZING!!"

[@johnsun3854]

but is it more realistic than 513 Dust games bofore it?

[@kieronschweitzer6172]

"So I talked to both of the low-sec miners" lul

[@Sisko526]

i´ve heared a quarter of them died last year :/

[@rosskwolfe]

"If you regret not being around for the scramble for Africa." Dude. I've never felt so guilty for laughing that hard before.

[@Test-sd2qp]

i do i do

[@Matt_19-89]

It's been 5 years and playing this game still feels like editing an excel spreadsheet blindfolded

[@this.is.a.username]

i've used excel for wow, never touched one for eve. i have no idea why people say this shit.

[@surnamnam7604]

"rodeo beep-boop or whatever" I figuratively flatlined

[@Bald_Zeus]

Instruktions unclear, became a miner..

[@OrtexofWill]

Decisions were made... beginning to question my life lol

[@pumpkin6429]

*DON'T. DO IT...*

[@kvltizt]

Haha, imagine sitting there doing nothing for hours! Miners lul *sits and does nothing for hours to squeese some ISK out of Jita daytrading while listening to shitty Joe Rogan podcasts*

[@entitygamma1792]

Start huffing gas in wormholes instead

[@tygonmaster]

@@entitygamma1792 That takes fucks to give and is harder to do with one hand. The legion of one-handed eve players is a strong one.

[@markusbarten455]

The last I heard about this game was that they released a expansion where the environment fought back. Some big NPC faaction that started to wage an actual war against everyone including the players. That sounds interesting on paper, but in practice everyone hated it because the NPC don't need sleep or toilet breaks. It could still work if you gave them rest periods every 12 or 18 hours and make fighting them off or hunting them down profitable.

[@cyfertau1975]

"What's you favorite fairy tale?" "Book of Revelations." I anticipated some silly answer, but not that. Lost it. Completely.

[@xyy9040]

Found the eve player

[@mugwump7049]

Silly? Until proven otherwise, the Bible IS a fairytale.

[@NoriMori1992]

@@mugwump7049 He didn't say it's not.

[@TheRealCatof]

My favorite fairy tale is the bible

[@tygonmaster]

@@mugwump7049 The answer is not the joke. The blunt edgyness is the joke.

[@darkspawnsenior9488]

So. What you are telling me. Is this is a sci-fi MMO for sociopaths.

[@thesupremegentlemanatheist7382]

Yep. However, it's amazing how to read. Scott Manley did an entire series about the time his corporation got in a war (the Fountain War. The guy was a member of Goon).

[@comdrive3865]

THe more mmo a game is, the more psychopaths

[@post-apocalypticcomingsoon1625]

Yes. nice guys finish last in eve.

[@emPtysp4ce]

It's a sci fi sandbox MMO for sociopaths

[@quaza2001]

Yes

[@captainwoody1901]

I remember back when I played this I was relatively new, and my friend and I wanna to get in some trouble. So we bought some condors with the best pvp fits we could, and we went out and found a couple people. We warped out because we werent actually expecting to find anyone, but we did, so we made a shitty 2 second plan, acknowledging that we were probably gonna lose our ships, and went in anyways. We lost our ships, but then after that the guys we attacked contacted us. They sent us a link to their teamspeak server and invited us to their corporation just because we had the audacity to attack them. Was in that corp for awhile and it was some good nerd fun.

[@StrikeWarlock]

Caesar's Legion in Fallout NV be like

[@dekky3908]

By the time Star Citizen comes out we'll be living in the Eve universe.

[@troodon1096]

So you think it will actually come out?

[@metaparalysis3441]

@@troodon1096 it will exist irl first

[@cadowyn735]

@@metaparalysis3441 That new seamless trailer they released looked pretty awesome though

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

The Indian Moon Mission was conceived and happened in less time.

[@personmcperson4440]

"Like a shore leave to Thailand, there are plenty of good things to pick up but it's mostly gonna be traps." HO LEE SHEIT

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

Best line.

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

Joseph is that you?

[@a_lethe_ion]

.. more likely STI's and a place on sex predator databank.

[@rhyderrek6155]

Yay, casual transphobia

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

@Wade Rhyderrek Don't see how a simple joke is even "casual transphobia"

[@lululunette4878]

I have played Eve nearly everyday since last year and I am amazed by how accurate this review is and it feels unbiased, there are so many one dimensional players in this game and he touched on all of it without getting too hurrdurr about it

[@casedistorted]

I agree with everything you said too Lulu. I used to play Eve Online for a couple years on and off probably half a decade ago and these were my feelings exactly on the game. It's basically like living real life but in a virtual world. Hell, the other day I just learned there was a guy on Pornhub using his $350k paycheck from solo amateur videos to fund his Eve Online addiction by buying Plex! >_>

[@SwampGreen14]

Chris Anderson ... L-Link?

[@casedistorted]

Should be able to find the article pretty easily just by googling 'guy buys plex with pornhub account' or something i think, then they say his name and account in the article. Unfortunately he's not really good looking by my standards, not a beefcake or anything but his point was that most of his viewers are female and the ladies really just want to see a dick get off lol. Which is true.. I used to know a very hot girl or two who literally watched porn just for the dicks and if it wasn't a good or pretty one they'd not watch the vid. They didn't care what the man looked like and sometimes didn't even want to see their face.

[@zeehero7280]

Despite the fact some weirdos play, it's still in the top 2 best communities in online gaming. Along with Final Fantasy 14. Haven't seen a bot miner in years.

[@frankytoad12]

Eve is a great game, if you don't really have a life. I don't mean that negatively either. If you don't have anything particularly interesting going on in your life and are financially stable enough to afford to throw dozens of hours a week on a game.. it can allow you to peer into a possible future for humanity from different perspectives, even the boring ones. It can be very entertaining/immersive and the fact that there is enough freedom to have politics and RL scale drama only adds to that immersion. However, you'll have to deal with psychopaths a little more often than you would inrl.

[@leathery420]

The thing that gets me about the political realism in EVE is that, salesmen, Corporate hitmen and some politicians play it almost as a way of honing their ability to get what they want through negotiations ect in a world that holds weight, but without fucking up their's or other's life if you take a risk and it doesn't work out. One of the politicians who was at the embassy in Benghazi when it was stormed by rebels was reportedly talking with EVE friends up until they were right out side killing the guards. Very cool concept for a game, but you really do need to put as much time into it as you would a whole hobby or job. The persistent world is cool, but it's pretty hard to play any game where if you go away for a week or month you won't recognize it when you get back. I imagine burn out is a pretty big problem in the playerbase.

[@moonasha]

that diplomat in benghazi was a guy called Vile Rat who was a diplomat in game as well. He was killed in the attack, said he heard alarms into game chat then was never heard from again. Players raised a bunch of money for his wife after. RIP

[@alanthealienoriginal]

@@moonasha Sean Smith (Vile Rat) was not a diplomat in R/L he was the tech guy in a diplomatic facility. He was a diplomat in game, reportedly a very good one. I think it was Mittani who published his last chat text where Smith was concerned about the local police taking photos of the compound. The State Department knew there was trouble brewing in Libya and ignored Ambassador Steven's requests for more security but even moved them to a less secure facility. His pleas for immediate help during the several hour attack were also ignored by the State Department even though there were trained operatives a few minutes away, adding up to yet another "Death by Clinton" episode. There is a lot more to this but what I state here are undisputed facts, not conspiracy theory. I am a veteran I am still appalled that the evil one got away with this and even came within an inch of becoming the leader of the free world.

[@moonasha]

its been a while, so I guess I had a lot of facts wrong. But I'll never forgive clinton and obongo for essentially killing vile rat. Benghazi was a lot more personal for me because of my time in eve.

[@ShahStark]

Frank Harrison yup. I played this when I was an anti social middle schooler with too much free time. Haven’t touched it in many many years and only play beatable games now

[@nmavrantzas]

We need a new, 2020 EVE Online review.

[@pandagamer-hg5be]

Nikolaos Mavrantzas yyuuup

[@Sir_Bucket]

What has changed?

[@nmavrantzas]

@@Sir_Bucket Manadalore himself has alluded to changes in some of his videos, I want to hear his take on things. About EVE Online now... a ton has changed.

[@deimoseve4674]

@@nmavrantzas Spoiler alert, is not worth it now

[@Pharmakon84]

Eve Echoes review

[@alexanderveritas]

_”Like a shore leave to Thailand, there’s_ _a lot of good things you’d pick up on_ _the way, but it’s mostly gonna be_ _traps.”_ I could’ve almost hear Seth saying the same, exact line. Well maybe a bit more exaggerated and sexualized.

[@NM-wd7kx]

This is Sseth's alternate channel after all

[@drakep.5857]

Hey hey, people.

[@delirium1643]

@@drakep.5857 Sseth here.

[@alexscriabin]

ah, transphobia. very witty.

[@drakep.5857]

@@alexscriabin it's shitty but it's obviously not serious.

[@BorrisStonoyanovich]

friend like you always welcome to drone region

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

+Borris Stonoyanovich o7 from Fade

[@Morrigi192]

+Borris Stonoyanovich o7 from Fade

[@kostyay.4071]

+Borris Stonoyanovich o7 from Fade

[@acemoz]

Borris Cheekislav wtf is happening is this a cult???

[@izangomso]

Ali Cem Özdemir fade is a region of null sec space currently occupied by the player alliance pandemic horde. Think of player alliances as mini countries with taxes, laws, wars, sovergnity, leaders, armies, ect.

[@tzokke]

I was one of the two low sec miners and I can confirm, its not worth it!

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Yeah CCP borked the mineral maths and made Pyroxeres yield half as much nocxium as Jaspet. This mistake remained in the game for years, preventing low-sec mining from getting off the ground. When they finally fixed it, they introduced Jaspet to high-sec at the same time. They also gave low-sec the newly-improved Gneiss and Dark Ochre, but they just give you improved yields of high-sec minerals. You still have to mine in null-sec to get zydrine and megacyte in decent quantities. So ultimately, due to the logistical difficulties of transporting null-sec ore to trade hubs as well as the high mineral yield of high-sec ores, you can't mine lowsec for increased profits or for your own manufacturing benefit. It's nearly always better to just mine in highsec. If they'd just remove Jaspet from high-sec, low-sec mining would be a thing because high-sec would stop producing so much nocxium.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

@Zfast4you I'm sorry if it was above your reading level. Which part didn't you understand? I can elaborate further and in simpler terms.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

@Zfast4you You're right, I didn't understand what you meant. I had thought you were deriding my understanding of EVE's economics, when actually you were deriding me FOR understanding it. I'm glad we're on the same page: I understand some aspects of EVE's economics, a fact for which I am proud.

[@Sir_Bucket]

@@TheReaverOfDarkness big nerd energy

[@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106]

Mandalore: "you can't outrice the Chinese" Me, a Filipino: "i challenge you to a duel!"

[@trrebi981]

JohnTheGreat7822 We can match their rice consumption on a 1 Asian v 1 Asian basis.

[@tygonmaster]

@@trrebi981 Consumption and production are very different things. China is the production capital of the work, fueled by pure unadulterated eggrolls in human forms.

[@plot6520]

I am curious how this rice-off ended up. Did ya'll manage to produce more rice.

[@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106]

@@plot6520 Indonesia snuck inside the rec center and literally threw grains at us

[@plot6520]

@@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106 Fascinating

[@imotekh6110]

Going back through your old catalog, I am genuinely surprised how well your oldest efforts have upheld. There is, of course, definite improvement in the most recent videos, both in the ability to read a script and mic quality the most immediately clear. All that said, excellent work both then and now.

[@samekichikisekich.2230]

>Black Desert Online 2 I see what you did there

[@mellowInventor]

Knew about Pearl Abyss acquisition years in advance.

[@l4unchp4dgaming38]

"You can't outrice the Chinese." ~ Lord Mandalore

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

I knew I'd be revisiting this video after watching Fred Knudson's video on it, and after watching that, it is hilarious to me to hear all that rich player history summed up as just "giant nerd fights that appear on the news". Jokes aside, I'd actually be curious what Mandy's thoughts are on the game today, if they've change, if he's indifferent or what.

[@steelytemplar]

Fred's video and Mandy's kind of compliment each other, I think. Where Fred mostly recounts a lot of high-level, major events, which were primarily experienced by a very small number of players but had a significant effect on the game's reputation and legacy, Mandy really goes the opposite route and describes what the average player's EVE experience is going to be like. Also, Mandy is hilarious.

[@SquirrelSword]

Who else has come back to this after the latest Down the Rabbit Hole?

[@steelytemplar]

I did. Interestingly, while Fredrik did an amazing job at laying out a history of EVE, I think that Mandy actually gave a better sense of what the actual average gamer experience is like. So the two videos kind of compliment each other.

[@johnsmith-sp6yl]

his videos are mid, and barely surface level, skimmed from a wiki article. if he were a new youtuber i'd assume his scripts were written by chatgpt (probably are nowadays).

[@TheInsomniaddict]

Yup.

[@ReapersPlug]

Lmaooo yuppers

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

The only reason I know about this game is because my maths teacher complained about her son playing it all the time.

[@corvo6724]

I've played EVE since 2006, off and on, taking a couple years off here and there. The game has come a long way, but ultimately, there is no mitigation of large-force dominance over essentially every meaningfully lucrative thing in the game. I've dedicated a lot of my time to solo play in EVE, and pretty much maxed out what is reasonable to do. I've built POSes for moon mining and reaction farming, done wormholes, all the planetary interaction you can stomach, manufacturing, invention, exploration, etc etc etc. It made me pretty wealthy for a solo individual, but, very poor when compared to someone who plays with a successful very large corp. I've joined 0.0 corps, a wormhole corp, and industrial corps. All of them are pretty fun and lucrative, but ultimately fragile unless you link up with the big boys and get into the territorial conflicts, which becomes very time consuming (think calendars and alerts and mandatory multi-hour deployments, etc). My biggest reason for not playing the game more is that I don't really like joining groups of more than 10-15 players. It's just not how I play and I don't have the time to invest to do it properly, and, EVE is really aimed at corporation and alliance play. The wormholes make this a little more accessible, but, lack of moon materials in wormholes sort of puts a horizon on the wealth generation possible in wormholes. Basically, to summarize, and I'm sure no one will read this, but, EVE is dominated by very large alliances and meta-corps (as in, all of the people from popular website A, or people of country B, ganging up into a 1000+ man alliance). These alliances have iron-fisted control over the most lucrative systems in the game, and thus, the wealth to purchase things like T2 BPOs (which are no longer distributed by the game, but still functional, and are money-printing items that are absolutely ridiculous to leave in the game, tbh). I've had a lot of fun with EVE over the years, but there's a definite ceiling that you hit until you are willing to immerse yourself more into it by joining a huge alliance. This video was a great review of the game, I just wanted to throw in a bit more perspective from someone who has done just about everything the game has to offer and get the message out there to avoid disappointment if you don't see yourself joining a thousand man alliance eventually... you *will* run out of things to do. If you have tons of free time and really like the idea of being in a huge army of people who share an objective, EVE might still be the best MMO out there, and if you are fine with having an MMO that will give you a few solid years of gameplay until you are forced into that, also best space-based MMO hands-down.

[@TheBrazilRules]

Strength in numbers, you know.

[@lizardperson9648]

Thanks for the comment man, very interesting to read. I never had enough time to get into anything as (alledgedly) time consuming as EVE, so I always kinda walk around it, but it still sounds really fun. Quite honestly, I am most attracted to politics aspect of the game, so I would not probably have a problem with alliances.

[@Mr-R.R.]

@@lizardperson9648 that is of course if you have time for those. That's what ends up being the big issue for a lot of people

[@lizardperson9648]

@@Mr-R.R. yeah, real life is such a drag. All those "basic human needs", ugh.

[@brandonkelbe]

I read it. I’ve always been interested in it, but never had the stability, staying in one place long enough, machine to play it, and time to even get the ropes. But I’ve heard of things inside the game, politics and wars that had actual affects on the real world even if it was just people noticing. I have always been really interested in how people can take up roles in the game like politician and such. It’s a very fantasy idea to have a sort of second life where you can try some new field or craft, but I think the biggest drawback is the learning curve and unknown. If you wanted to join the game and do some off the beaten path niche, would you still have to learn the massive amount of bs in the game? I’ve never liked wow, but I also see that game as something impossible to start playing. They have their own language essentially. This reminds me of that. Too massive to attempt to start playing.

[@jonathanfleming7345]

Timestamps: 2:12 - Mining 5:55 - Hauling 6:30 - Mission Running and Incursions 9:54 - Salvaging (and Ninja Salvaging) 10:37 - Trading 10:50 - "Social" Interactions 14:30 - Exploration 16:25 - Research/Manufacturing 17:19 - Planetary Interaction (and Dust 514) 19:55 - PVP 25:28 - Wormholes 26:36 - Questions and more

[@raffy141]

The Part about the Links is Outdated now - Links need to be in Range and on the Field for a while now.

[@phantomspaceman]

"The devs said good luck" Wow, way to reach out to the community and expand interest.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

If you want to send this guy some ISK and didn't catch it, his in game character is Lord Mandelor. He earned it.

[@placerdemaio]

Scam

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

Actually if you watch closely you can catch a few points in the video where you can see his name and profile. I think also in his tengoo ad.

[@wrymen]

There is never enough ISK.

[@MrThreeGamerX]

Well i need some isk :P Just started, this is my name : Michael SBG (one million makes a huge diffrence for me)

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

MrThreeGamerX My advice to you is to join a newbie-friendly group. They help sponsor some early game costs for you, like ratting catalysts etc. I would definitely be careful about the begging bowl mentality, you don't want to be that guy who just asks for handouts.

[@GS-el8ll]

>he didnt mention my specific playstyle im gettin' mad

[@Macho_Fantastico]

I remember seriously trying to get into EVE some years back. I think you have to be a certain type of person to stay and enjoy EVE for the long run. I wasn't that type of person and had an absolutely bloody miserable time playing it. That said, if it floats your spaceship, all the power to you.

[@stankobarabata2406]

I'm the same, minus the miserable part. I actually got contacted by a friendly GM who gave me a free ORE ship, blueprints for a Tormentor, and some other stuff like weapons and salvaging shit. I found a mining group that was super friendly and told me quick ways to make money by mining Rakovene in highsec. In general, my impressions with the community were stellar, though I don't understand why the GM helped me. Maybe it's out of friendliness, or desperation for new players. However, as I played for 2 weeks I came to realise the game was practically made for people who have nothing else to do in their free time. I'm not that kinda person, I like to switch around games so as to not burn out. I couldn't commit that hard to EVE, so I gave whatever little stuff I had to the group I met, and wished them luck and uninstalled. It's not a game for people who play games for fun, that is for certain. It's a "second life" of sorts.

[@WingMaster562]

1:56 "I think this is Black Desert. It looks Filipino..." Seeing RF Online once again unlocked some early Filipino compshop memories

[@Eldestyoungone]

I spat my water out when Alex Jones came on

[@tungtjockis]

no you did not.

[@EiSaaPeittaas]

He saved you from unfiltered gay frog water

[@elsasslotharingen7507]

Can I have some unfiltered gay frog water?

[@sirjonsmithiii992]

You had me at: "If you thought ED was too exciting". Oh, my.

[@PsychOsmosis]

*"The cytoplasm is the powerhouse of the cell."* As someone having studied in the various subfields of biology, that was a genuinely good one!

[@BlueTemplar15]

Isn't that the mitochondria, is is *this* the joke ?

[@PsychOsmosis]

@@BlueTemplar15 Yup.

[@koboldcrusader]

I feel like the advice for mining can be applied to the entire game: *"Don't. Do it."*

[@twoNujabes]

I just downloaded this game and saw about a thousand different buttons to press and got a headache and uninstalled

[@user-ef6gv4wv1l]

same...

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

And you are a bitch. This game is easy as shit.

[@themanthemyththelegend1392]

Game sucks bruh, it’s just the same 500 dudes with 10 to 20 alts, the game is absolutely eat alive with RMT, and is more akin to a shitty pay to win iPad game.

[@ololh4xx]

...and that probably was a good choice. The playerbase consists entirely of trolls and human scum.

[@ryuranzou]

Game takes about a month to get the basics down. It takes about a month to learn the skills needed to fly a frigate effectively as well.

[@CraftyMatt]

Dont ever change. DONT. EVER. CHANGE.

[@DocDoesGamingYT]

"The cytoplasm is the powerhouse of the cell" I can hear my old biology teacher sharpening an axe

[@TriumvirSajaki]

Three years later and I believe this is still the definitive review of EVE

[@jjcoola998]

Still the case six years later too

[@michaelkazmierczak2973]

Now we got the down the rabbit hole video 👌🏻

[@Morrigi192]

10/10 best EVE review ever

[@Angel_Underscore]

"One of those fake degrees" what a savage.

[@a_lethe_ion]

well yeah, of course? Oh you mean savage in the sense of cruel, brutal and not uninformed pre-enlightened schmuck of the hairy kind, the one that still lives on trees and uses nettles to wipe his asshole because his wife wont prickle his taint anymore. I don't think those even know what a degree is nor what science means & how shit like philo, language, history etc come together. And we really need anthropology, how'd we learn about treeliving taintprickker otherwise :3 but seriously, it's quite amusing to see him make fun of the type of smug overconfident fedoratwat whose overconfidence comes from being "right" in the same way that saying fresh pizza and the sun are both warm - technically correctly but also really oversimplified. Nobody would try to eat the sun so that difference makes no difference. Like being that feforaatheist also doesn't really make a difference.. except that it shows said person being an insufferable cunt to be around because said technical correctness still overlooks massive differences. (Like, yes, Religions are a type of Myth, but not every Myth is a religion unless you wanna start bowing to the big bad wol... ohshit.) tl;dr Irony is: making fun of rational™ Feforaatheists for being insufferable, then making the type of smug zing! joke, just about another topic lol. which is pretty funny :)

[@jefekeefsosa4998]

@@a_lethe_ion what the fuck

[@migkillerphantom]

@@a_lethe_ion whoah

[@moonasha]

@Firmicute s what the actual fuck

[@rauberwrx]

@@a_lethe_ion I imagine you were writing this comment on coke or something.

[@IconOfSin24148]

>Furries >suddenly Total Annihilation music starts playing I love you Sseth

[@alexandre007opa]

Wut?

[@ES21007]

@@alexandre007opa It's a joke that MandaloreGaming and Ssethtzeentach are the same person due to similar tastes in games. People like to joke that MandaloreGaming is Sseth on proper medication and restraint.

[@dragonandavatarfan8865]

@@ES21007 They both probably share the same audience at this point.

[@the_Fisher_King]

Top tier pfp OP Busted a good one on that doujin

[@512TheWolf512]

@@ES21007 i LOVE to be the reason that they're friends now. i've left an important impact on the world!

[@SeruraRenge11]

It's wierd going back to this video years later and realizing "aw shit, Mandy is one of those lowsec pirate assholes that exist to grief trade routes"

[@XxXVideoVeiwerXxX]

This guy is good. I tried it, and it is not my thing. all logistics. Knowledge is power, and I didn't really feel like dedicating myself to learning it. The way he describes this is well done but it was so dense even in summary form.

[@then33k4]

hahaha ! "I don't want to learn how to play a game" you are adorable :)

[@XxXVideoVeiwerXxX]

I don't want to learn how to play a game that seems boring. When I assume how I will "feel" about something, I am usually right. Mainly with games and people. "Hmm that game looks boring...oh look I learned it, still boring". I don't bother learning games that seem boring. "This guy seems like a douche"....5 hang outs later...Oh wow, I still see him as a douche.

[@qtrg5794]

ever heard of "judging a book by its cover"?

[@XxXVideoVeiwerXxX]

then33k4 haha, free to play is coming for you.

[@XxXVideoVeiwerXxX]

Hence why I hope star citizen is like a fun EVE Well, not army of ships fighting type fun, but scifi sim fun.

[@JohnDoe-uf3lj]

Rewatching this as a primer to the Down the Rabbit Hole documentary on this game.

[@ShionWinkler]

2019, still no Star Citizen lol

[@praetorrus]

I bet there won't be by the end of 2020 also.

[@hx5525]

@@praetorrus And you’re right

[@thesalmonorchestra651]

2021, still no Star Citizen lol

[@lordcommissarthomas1922]

2024, no star citizen

[@dreen666]

The book of revelations ...... *me dying of laughter*

[@TR-ru7wl]

I can't stop rewatching it

[@KingDaveth]

I've played this game since 2006 and it still bores me.

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

From what I know of EVE (which is very little as Ive never played it), it seems more like having a career than playing a video game..lol.

[@karandras2854]

@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 It's more a second life, concept of escapism, it's funny to play but you never know how many dudes crossed the line, I wouldn't invest so much of my years in a single videogame, but I guess I'm not the longplay MMO type of dude. I just hope the guys who pick this games invest in their real life as much as they do in their virtual one.

[@jjoshaugh]

Best review of Eve online I have ever read.

[@stankobarabata2406]

@@karandras2854 I tried playing half a year ago. I admit, I found a lot of fun in the game. Maybe it's my trader/industrialist mindset, along with how easy the game actually is once you get the hang of it and how off-brain you can play even the combat, but the game does it's intended purpose fantastically. You can meet friendly people who are actively looking for group play, and people are pretty helpful, especially to newbies. Even a GM messaged me, asked me if I'm enjoying the game so far, I said yes, and he supplied me with BPs for a ship and an ORE frigate, wished me luck and told me to ask him if I have any problems. Like, ridiculously friendly. I found a mining group within the Corp that I got recruited in that were very friendly and coordinated too. It made you FEEL like part of a miner group, we had a big ORE hauler escorted by a fleet of those small ORE frigates, we mined Rakovene fields so efficiently and quickly we had to switch systems every day. And generally it's what you'd expect out of a massive MMO like this, lots to do, and a lot of "jobs", if I can call them that. But then there's the psychopath shit. Suicide gankers, politics in Corp chat, people who literally demand you play the game in every spare moment of free time you have (one of our squad leaders was like that, dude played the game nonstop, I've never seen him offline), and generally people taking it way too seriously. Like a second life, like you said. Now, I can appreciate dedication, but I like playing other games and my interests shift. I burn out on games I play consistently. Heck, I can't play World of Warcraft for more than a month continuously without burning out on the game for a year almost. And since that obnoxious squad leader basically started driving the friendly people away, I just quit then and there. I didn't want to be bothered to go find another group, mostly because this one found ME and I was happy with them, and I was weary of liars and schemers at that point.

[@lrmcatspaw1]

"The devs said good luck with this" First you had my interest. Now you ahve my attention.

[@fz7788]

Sseth did not take his meds properly this reveiw has copious amounts of humour I am really afraid

[@nikolayveselinov906]

Okay, idiot question. Why is everybody calling him Sseth?

[@MrYogest]

@@nikolayveselinov906 kzbin.info/door/D6VugMZKRhSyzWEWA9W2fg

[@invaderHUNK]

Nikolai Veselinov they sound similar, cameo in each other’s videos, etc.

[@Aurilion44]

They also have pretty dark senses of humour. Still, Sseth is more open and displays it and Mandalore is in the closet, but occasionally also shows some fucked up things :)

[@nikolayveselinov906]

Thanks for the explanations. I did some research on my own and realized it myself.

[@DEEdavE]

is this for the toaster

[@MandaloreGaming]

It can run on a TI-83 pretty reliably

[@oddluck4180]

MandaloreGaming shit, my computer is weaker than that then.

[@zelden666]

Probably the best EVE review I've watched.

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

zelden666 why would you watch multiple reviews of a game you already know

[@dullwayfarer3971]

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Sometimes listening to different perspectives can give you a better understanding of what is being reviewed.

[@trytoxania7020]

The music, the editing, the humor, the game clips, everything about this video is so entertaining, I keep coming back and watching it again

[@clonerstive]

No one ever explains that the combat in the game is very similar to MMOs out there already. Drone weapons: warlock / summoner Warp scramblers or nets: crowd control class Etc. It's pretty straightforward once you get your hands on it. I might play again. I sure hope pearl abyss haven't ruined it :/ Awesome review! :D

[@mauxam]

Who else remembers that animal stickers + tiger poster commercial? That thing is burned into my mind. 19:39

[@KnjazNazrath]

>Uses a Noh scream to typify China. My sides are in a gravitational well.

[@stealthyshiroean]

I felt that too lol

[@djrealfake5522]

I actually miss dust 514, it was so cool how it was real time tied in to eve and it was an ok pvp game. Running a merc corp was fun and absolutely laughable when I put my income spreadsheet up against an eve corps spreadsheet who hired us to kill something or something but yeah we thought a million isk every few hours or so was ballin lol.

[@CMDR_Verm]

''Dust 514, never played it but it must be good if there were 500 versions of it before this one''. ROF LMAO

[@lowrads3653]

Within a few hours, system wide link ships will be a thing of the past. Also, you can now play an indefinite length trial of the game with some strong disadvantage versus paying players.

[@GrungeJeans]

When a player quits EVE and goes to WoW, the average IQ in both games increases.

[@simobarret]

Old but Gold...

[@SUPERLAME4]

Thomas Linssen I believe they're saying that the person who decided to leave EVE in the first place was stupid for doing so in the first place, bringing down the game's collective IQ until they left. However, they played EVE in the first place, so they're smarter than your average WoW player, bringing WoW's colletive IQ up just by joining. I believe that's the joke.

[@easylove3304]

=))

[@midnightdragon67]

SUPERLAME4 thanks for ruining the joke dumbass

[@assaultspoon4925]

SUPERLAME4 OOOOHHhhhhh. Now I get it.

[@MikesZanneN]

I love the energy of this review. Some small blips of real excitement, and then stretches' of "Meh".

[@troodon1096]

Pretty accurate appraisal of the game then.

[@KrazyKaiser]

I will literally never get tired of that Alex Jones gay frogs clip, no matter what the context.

[@shelter556]

Holy shit that title change haha

[@Corusame]

How dare you! mining is an art form, its the zen state of eve online

[@lezhaosicne6387]

whered you get your pfp?

[@g-rated3514]

Are we ever going to get an updated EVE video? :)

[@ianmoffat4459]

Yeah sure. Go make one. Be somebody.

[@TheEngineerYTDS]

Classic Mandalore is kinda charmingly unhinged

[@Hemostat]

gives me big sseth vibes

[@TinfoilHatWearer]

wow... Sounds like something that I would love to get into, but hate it too... man... sadly, I likely wont even bother. But, I will probably dream about playing a game like this. I dont think im smart enough or have enough patients to play it,.

[@TinfoilHatWearer]

Nature Boy I just hear some of these horror stories of people playing this.. they invest tons of actual money into the game, and then, they just get killed and have to start completely over even tho theyve spent all that money. :( ya know? Something like that would destroy me. Because I get INVESTED HEAVILY into my games.. ya know? lol :) and to just lose it because of one battle... i dunno.. correct me if im wrong, but isnt this game like that? You can literally lose everything just because some jerk who decides he is bigger and stronger than you and wants to destroy you?

[@TinfoilHatWearer]

ummm for some reason someone other than me removed Nature Boy 's comments that he was replying to me... WHY did this happen? I am not the one who reported them.. WTF?

[@odb583]

get more patients doctor

[@KeithLaws]

Its not a pay to win game. You can spend real money and get plex to convert to ISK in the game, so you can buy better ships and fittings, but if you suck you still suck so someone in a cheap fit can blap you just the same. If you intend to just spend money to get to the end game then forget it, you will ragequit in no time

[@mowglilp]

Worry not mate. Yes, you can lose all your ingame money, but that's if you are careless and carry all your stuff around. Say you grind 2 months for a shiny ship, spend EVERYTHING on it thinking you own the galaxy now, then 2 minutes later some kid in a cheap ass frigate kills you because you don't realize your big ship won't hit a fly with those giant guns. Yes, that hurts. But it's a lesson we all learn the hard way: "never fly what you can't afford to lose". But that's ok mate. Grind more and get your revenge some day, at trust me, it will come. I made hundreds of millions just by listening to Eve Radio and answering quiz questions or winning 1vs1 duels between me and other listeners. Not to mention that many corps will help you out and reimburse your losses. There's nothing to fear really. Once you get the hang of it, you'll be financially stable. It can however be addictive and you CAN lose a lot of your time and social life. There were times when I played 18 hours a day. I wouldn't get out of bed. My GF was dropping a plate in front of my keyboard and that was my lunch and dinner. Well.. lunch was at 13:00 when I woke up and dinner was at 3AM. Sometimes I set alarm clocks to meet the corp members in the middle of the night to defend ourselves. But that's extreme. I did that for 2 months. Then I quit and came back more mature, years later and now I just play 10 hours a week. Maybe 20 at best. Give it a shot man. i guarantee that it's at least unique from anything else you ever played and probably will ever play.

[@Zeithri]

I laughed at this video a lot. Especially at the comment about _turbonerds_ and _medieval torture wheel_ . Beautiful game with hideous controls.

[@Zeithri]

I am back 9 months later to rewatch this and to laugh at " _.. And the Tiger Poster!_ " I seriously want that poster.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

@@Zeithri yeah I remember those ads on TV. I kind of wish he still made irreverent reviews like this, but I understand why that *usually* doesn't make a good *review*.

[@fz7788]

Zeithri I think sseth is not taking his meds again

[@ObscuriaDragunAed]

28:50 Update from the future: The sunk cost fallacy is still stronk with the Star Citizen crowd and Star Citizen still isn't out... it's the ass end of 2021 when I'm posting this... let that sink in... Which, by this point, how many awesome star sim games do we have that don't charge you $30k or more for a digital battleship that'll be outclassed by yet a vaster battleship that costs more just a bit later when the devs have somehow blown through that million dollar stack of cash? Pretty much every. other. one. Hell, in Empyrion you can build your own AND go to the planet without having to load a separate game.

[@Dexroid]

1:20 "THAT is debatable" really got me. Thanks Manny.

[@bobstar2683]

I already have a day job. Playing Eve regularly is like having a second full time job.

[@gamedudegamereviews8894]

Amazing review as always Mandalore. Captured some of my feelings from when i first tried EVE several years ago. Guy at 18:10 is a great reviewer. His channel must be V.good

[@justingeorge7665]

+MandaloreGaming hey i tryed it from here and i like it im kinda broke and i heard in this vid that ur gonna send money can i have some please my name in game is Saviors End

[@FunkMcLovin]

Watched the whole thing and didn’t understand a word. Sounds good

[@Stedman75]

This game is literally for sociopathic administration staffers.

[@comdrive3865]

THe more mmo a game is, the more psychopaths

[@DoctorEviloply]

11:36 Now we wait for Mittens to make a pretentious and ineffectual speech about how MandaloreGaming is a noob who isn't playing the game properly.

[@kanedakr]

+Deadpool Somebody is salty.

[@JStankXPlays]

+Deadpool The proper term is 'summer children'

[@mertg7946]

this was so accurate I had to sub

[@jeanfigueroa6235]

No joke, I played Dust 514 religiously since Closed Beta. The game was extremely flawed but the concept of it was mind-blowing at the time, and it was my version of video game crack. No other game has scratched that FPS/RPG itch since then.

[@DoomOfConviction]

I gave me your whole playlist of reviews and more and i must say, you are so precise and nice in your way of transporting knowledge, specialy over very old and beloved pieces of video game history. I enjoy watching every minute.

[@SpaceCutlet]

I came here from your SC vid. Being an ex-eve 0.0 player from 2003 to around 2010 and currently a fanboi of SC I am still amused how you manage to to perfectly walk the edge of the blade while describing a game. Usually I don't know where is the location of the Like button but I had to google it because I could not hold myself of pressing it. Very well said and very well made video. I don't remember when was the last time actually any youtube video could hold me for half an hour(unless it is a reveal of SC aplha 3.0 :D ). Especialy about the game I'm already done with. And especialy with the game I'm already done with and in which I achieved a lot and was good at. And especialy with the game I'm already done with and in which I achieved a lot and was good at and the last time I played it was around six or seven years ago. I am really surprised you got under 100k views and under 7k subs. Again. Very well done. Pressed that red button (had to google the location also).

[@jungoogie]

3:34 THAT statue is amazing. That sculptor has swag.

[@Izithel]

Can't believe this review is already 7 years old. And after 7 years I still don't know if the game has actually become better, worse, or is still the same...

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

All of the above, it has simultaneously gotten worse, better, and yet somehow the same.

[@HellBrYnger]

you know, my main is from late-ish 2008, and when i found my corp in 2009, we did mining ops every sunday just to talk about how each others week was going and everyday stuff while mining together, til about 2013, then i lost contact with all of them, i log back into my account ever so often and send out eve-mails but since 2018 i havent heard anything from the people from back then, which breaks my heart tbh. ... :( edit: that last second outro really hit me :( *WRRP WRRP WRRP*

[@KeramatZMode]

Rodeo Beepboop

[@HeilTripp]

#TRIGGERED

[@baburik]

Gunslinger Beerpoop is my favorite Vietnamese manhua ever

[@d0qtrx]

I love EVE Online, but I might love this review even more. Well-done, sir.

[@CommanderM117]

same he trashes on eve a bit but i like it and i am a low sec miner so what he said was funny and partially true

[@reflectedpower609]

I've pretty much lost interest in this game over the years. Previously the main form of progression was through making money and skilling up your character. These days you can spend real money to receive virtual currency or skill points for your character. Unless you're REALLY into the social aspect, there's literally no motivation to play.

[@BoogieTimeWithJigglets]

Oof... when I watch 4 years later and that "other game" still isn't even close to out yet.

[@RaidsEpicly]

This is the first video I've seen from you, instant sub! I really enjoyed my brief time with eve, playing a stealthy exploration ship in low/nullsec. As you mentioned the game can get really intense when death means losing everything you have on you! Especially when you just hit a great data site in null and you're trying to sprint back to a friendly station since your inventory is worth 10x all the money you've seen in the game so far.

[@IcarusDawn]

5:35 "If I know anything, it's that you can't outrice the Chinese" HAHAHA

[@warmachine5835]

5:55 Wow I never thought I'd hear the Crash Team Racing soundtrack sampled.

[@RachelLouren28]

I once dated a guy who played this game. He was wierd.

[@lizardqueen6041]

I once talked to a guy online who loved EVE Online, F2PMMORPGs, and early access survival games like Ark. He was also weird (amongst other things 😬)