Even Cersei Felt Bad About Sansa Having To Marry Tyrion 😨

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Did you know in the books even Cersei felt bad for Sansa marrying Tyrion? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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[@LM48888]

I don't think this shows that she felt bad for Sansa. It just shows how much she hates Tyrion.

[@ToySouljah.]

Not only is it showing how much she hates Tyrion, but how little she sympathizes with Sansa and is actually enjoying how awful it will be for Sansa and that there is no escaping. This also shows that Joffrey is very much his mother’s son as both are similar, they are cruel spiteful creatures that take pleasure in humiliating others.

[@lilliansoto1197]

Exactly

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

Cersei empathizing even a little is somehow stranger than ice monsters and fire-breathing lizards.

[@AegonTargaryen-x8p]

Bro she don't give a flying "F", you really need to go re-read the books, she also instructed a Kingsguard to drag her along if she doesn't want to come willingly.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@user-qv4bp7vg6u I know it's more of a placating thing, but the fact she even pretends is weird. Also don't know why but my other replies won't send.

[@AegonTargaryen-x8p]

@@aegorbittersteel2154 maybe it has few keywords that's flaged on KZbin

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@aegorbittersteel2154 YT has been wild lately. It has censored a ton of people and toss out comments wily nily. I've tried to stop swearing, but that's like trying to stop breathing. Sometimes my comments stick, other times not. I haven't figured out exactly what I'm flagging.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@user-qv4bp7vg6u That's weird.I figured maybe it was something I said, so one of my responses was just that I would love that and thank you, and it still didn't go through.

[@Cherryfxmls]

She’s only 12 here. Which is pretty heartbreaking … I think people also forget that tyrion still orders her to undress even though he recognises she’s “still a child” but “he wants her” and when he asks sansa if that frightens her, she says “yes.” It’s not until he’s on top of her and groping her breasts that he realises how terrified she is, so he stops. - I’m glad the show dialled it down and made tyrion a lot more noble in that regard.

[@adaj472]

Yeah, that’s gross 😬😬😬😬

[@Agcb_]

I’m seeing a pattern of what the writer likes to write 🥴

[@kimberleybrammer2793]

He is actually only going off of what happened in the past. The rape murder incest has actually happened in real history ​@@Agcb_

[@SebS-f6g]

No hes the strange one the world is telling him shes a women cos she can birth but Tyrion acknowledges that he should not force her as he dosent think she is old enough he gets her to undress and attempts to warm her to further contact (like drogo) but that's that and why he tries is because one hes attracted to her and two his father has ordered him to make heirs so they have strong claim to winterfell/north riverrun and the rock

[@mmmmmmmm1942]

@@Agcb_oh relax

[@John-MichaelAngel]

This is more insulting Tyrion than feeling bad for Sansa.

[@brentdaelman4153]

apparantly tyrion isn't that great in the books

[@BobbyB_Baratheon]

Little did Cersie know that "The Imp" was much better than her "Golden boy".

[@danyelpeter1376]

Not that much...

[@BobbyB_Baratheon]

@@danyelpeter1376 a lot better if truth be told.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

Oh definitely. But she is also incredibly vain. Cersei would rather be beaten by someone beautiful than have to share a bed with a dwarf who could be kind to her. Like her father, she really cares about appearances.

[@obaso.]

@@BobbyB_Baratheonmaybe in the show, def not in the books

[@jovjov223]

Jaime is on a redemtion arc in the books while Tyrion is on a deredemtion arc.

[@vaibhavshukla549]

She wasn't empathising with her. Instead, she was gas-lighting against her would-be husband.

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

The way she felt bad for her when Tyrion was the only one who was kind to her 💀

[@flavius5722]

Thats mostly a show thing, he wasnt rude but to say he was kind will over strech If he was kind he would've send her back in exchange for Kevan sons

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

@@flavius5722 Makes sense, I gotta admit I never read the books so there you go lol

[@scottmeager5919]

@@flavius5722Things aren’t that simple mate lol.

[@Blakenew127]

@@flavius5722he put himself on the line to stop Joffrey from torturing her publicly in the throne room. No one else did it because they were afraid as Joffrey was already the king. He also refused to consummate the marriage until she wanted, gaining a lot of extra familiar tension with his father that was demanding him to do so and get her pregnant for obvious political reasons. PLUS extra mockery from the court because everyone knew how they didn’t sleep together not even once. AND the extra risk he took by threatening Joffrey on Tyrion’s wedding night when Joffrey went to take Sansa’s clothes off, clearly meaning to abuse this marriage tradition. Tyrion put himself on the line for Sansa, a girl everyone abused and looked down or was just overall omissive towards the abuse she suffered because of her hostage situation. Yes, considering all this context, Tyrion went against his own benefits to treat her right and to be kind to her. No one else had the courage to do so. Not only Joffrey was king but he was also a sadistic cruel person that already hated his uncle. Despite her young age and visual repulsive towards him, Sansa recognise that with time, that he was a decent man and he was the only one that protected her against Joffrey and further abuse at the court.

[@flavius5722]

@@Blakenew1271) Not quite , you take some things from the show that didnt happen in the books or at least I don't remember 2)This is not the point I want to make ,she has all the reasons to be upset marryng him is bounding her at KL and as Lannister slave forever , and just because he is nicer than Jofrey thst dosen't mean she want to marry her , especialy he is double her age , drunk all the time , and of he dosen't want to marry her either, 3) there is no reason he coudn't sent her back to her family in exchange for Kevan son's when he was hand Why are you trying to downplay the cringe of the subject ?

[@PhebusdesTours]

I feel she was rather dragging Sansa down and making fun of her misery. The show made Cersei a little more complex because she seemed to genuinely empathise with Sansa when she was to marry Joffrey.

[@Ashbrash1998]

It's kind of ironic that Tywin was planning on doing the same to Cersei and you know she would have had a fit. It does make Cersei interesting considering how she didn't try to lie or soften the reality of Sansa's situation and status as a woman.

[@lindsay9838]

I mean, it’s because she gets off on upsetting people. She got joy from the whole thing. When she had her own best seamstresses come make Sansa a beautiful ivory gown “now that she’s a woman with a woman’s body” and got Sansa all grateful for her generosity and excited for how pretty she’d look, when really it was Cersei’s way of sneakily making her wedding dress…she thought those things were funny. Just like when Loras got gravely injured taking Dragonstone and Cersei wanted to be the one to tell Margaery. She acted so sad and empathetic but she was loving every minute of it, even being able to taste her tears when she kissed her on the cheek. She also led Margaery to believe he was already dead for quite a while before changing her wording and then Margaery realized he was actually still alive and got so pissed at her. Cersei thought it was hysterical. Book Cersei is such an evil brat.

[@ACinemafanatic]

@@lindsay9838but she probably saw herself in Sansa a bit as well as hated her due to prophecy sadly we didn’t get her pov early on

[@Wordlifematt]

Westeros is so sexist towards Women. Women can't even consent to marriage. They either agree to it or be forced into a church.

[@leif6534]

Book cercei is so fascinating, albeit delusional. She hates women, hates being a woman and how differently she is treated than Jaime, and she takes it out on other women. She has an absolutely insane, violent level of internalized misogyny. It makes sense for her tbh.

[@jeongyeonsupremacy1274]

Meanwhile Tyrion treating Sansa with utmost care, respect and protectivness possible. He was amazing to her, probably the best arranged marriage you could get

[@thebirdN]

Not in the books.

[@JS-ss1en]

@@thebirdNhow did he treat her in the books?

[@made-line7627]

​@@thebirdNI don't recall it being _that_ horrendous in the books

[@MitchellR-vi2vc]

​@JS-ss1en he wasn't the worst in the books but he's not as nice as he is on the show, he wanted her, it got the point where they were both naked and he groped her then noticed she really didn't want to do it and stopped. He got annoyed with how courteous she was being the whole time

[@JS-ss1en]

@@MitchellR-vi2vc thank you

[@fableSimmer]

I wish they would have shown the moment of her trying to resist and maybe her saying to herself to be brave because she was a Stark! Since obviously we don’t hear characters thoughts lol. It’s such a small detail but I think it speaks so much.

[@nelsonchereta816]

After her father's death there were exactly two people who sincerely tried to help her, Sandor and Tyrion. She feared the first and loathed the second.

[@Cherryfxmls]

It is a complex situation for sansa . After her fathers death, how could she trust anyone? Truly? She’s afraid of trusting the tyrells because she thinks they’ll sell her out to the queen. She’s afraid of trusting Ser dontos because she thinks she’ll be sold out to the queen. For a girl of 12 to navigate that sort of situation is…really difficult. Tyrion is a tricky situation because in her mind, he’s a lannister who are enemies to her family. he he has shown kindness to her, but he also wanted to bed her despite her being a visible child. And she was very afraid of that, seriously it’s a sad part of the book to read. And then there is the hound, yes he has shown bouts of kindness and sincerity but he’s also been awful to her, sexualised her , threatened to kill her, shoved her onto a bed, gotten on top of her, and held a knife to her throat. And she’s so traumatised by that whole ordeal that she later reimagines what happened by thinking he just kissed her and took a “song.” Grrm has later affirmed this memory changed since sansa is an unreliable narrator, and it has to do with memory lapses. So by reframing what happened, she can cope with what happened by imagining it was more like a song than a genuine attempt on her life.

[@domthe5260]

Remember Cersei’s “P-envy” she pities Sansa, not just empathizes. And that one deuche is just telling her “Do what your told and don’t make a fuss” remember what Viserys I said in HotD, “Not even I can refuse the customs of tradition” everyone just plays their parts as either gears or machines.

[@ailisherynn3146]

The marriage of Sansa and Tyrion is totally different from books to show. In the book Tyrion tried to bed Sansa even climbing on top of her being already naked and ready to take her only retreating in the ladt moment. And he described as a reallly ugly person in the books not even comparable to handdome Peter Dinklage.

[@HuntingViolets]

What you're quoting is more like rubbing it in than feeling bad for her.

[@luvprue1]

I wonder what would have happened if Sansa had chosen to marry Lancel? I think both would have been happier.

[@made-line7627]

True

[@nvizible]

Its odd that kettleblack was the one who was nice

[@Ownedby]

Better the loathsome imp than Cersi's serial killer son.

[@HuntingViolets]

This scene of Sansa trying to run is analogous to when Cersei tries to run when she is arrested.

[@flavius5722]

She didnt felt bad at all ,she just try to put salt on the wound And this is probably the most stupid plan Tywin ever had , the lords of the North will never accet Tyrion as lord

[@thegreatpage5912]

Not Tyrion...but the grandson of Ned Stark they probably would.

[@RsBanez]

​@@thegreatpage5912exactly, that's why he was so adamant about Tyrion getting her pregnant

[@flavius5722]

@@thegreatpage5912 Not as long as he called himself Lannister, and if he dont grow up in the North

[@thegreatpage5912]

@@flavius5722 Since it would be inheriting it’s mother’s ancestral lands and titles. The kid will most likely take the Stark name.

[@TheAvprobeauty]

The only reason Cersei felt bad is because she always hated her little brother, not for any real sympathy, if you ask me.

[@poulomi__hari]

Was that empathising? Sounded like rubbing salt in her wound.

[@alexandersimpson6651]

He only feels bad because that happened to her. It isnt sincere.

[@bonbonvegabon]

SHE not he. DERP

[@llcourt]

I mean if Tyrion didn’t have dwarfism, Cersei would’ve probably tried to recruit him as a sibling trouple 🤢

[@kaj7135]

Imagine spit roasting your hot sister with your brother. lol based.

[@knowledgeuntamed9177]

Sansa pry could of talked her into ☠️ her brother. Little finger tried but offed King Joffery instead

[@MortenLongbottom]

What she really feels about Sansa, we can read it in the books, in her Walk of Shame chapter.

[@paulpoumet773]

Yet she felt bad for Sansa not out of simpathy for her, but out of spite for Tyrion.

[@darriuscole8544]

Nobody ever mentions that Tyrion was forced into the marriage just as Sansa was.

[@stareyedwitch]

Except in the books he wasn't. Tyrion was given a choice between Sansa and an older less attractive woman of lower status. Tyrion picked Sansa because he didn't want to have an unattractive wife and desired Sansa's claim to the north. Book!Tyrion is one of those "nice guys" who gets upset when women don't reward them for doing the bare minimum.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Not even remotely comparable. He owned her, and he was allowed to have as many mistresses and lovers as he wanted. A man holds every shred of power in arranged marriages in this society

[@darriuscole8544]

@@emilybarclay8831 - Clearly, not every shred because he didn't have the power to say "no" to the marriage. You should learn to look at both sides and consider them.

[@darriuscole8544]

@@stareyedwitch - That is force. When someone else lowers your options to 2, and one of those options is clearly less attractive and of lower status, then it is a false choice. That is akin to saying "do it or I kill you." Your choices are 1) do it and 2) die. You are being forced. I haven't read the books. In the show Tyrion was forced to marry Sansa by his father. Judging from what you have told me, he was forced to marry her in the books as well.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@darriuscole8544 he’s able to live life as if he’s not married. What’s the difference?

[@lesliebrown5721]

Yes because I read the books.

[@justincase7848]

The word stark actually means strong (german?)

[@ItsMe-mn8qk]

Never read the books but Tyrion was not a bad person. Out of every Lannister (other than Tommen) she was the kindest, Jamie eventually became nice

[@Ruby.D]

Nope. Tyrion was evil. At this point he was still trying to convince himself that he wasn't. But it doesn't get better.

[@tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410]

Cersei hates Tyrion because of her own mother, and that is the way she is, she's resentful, and her marriage sucked, so why shouldn't somebody else's?

[@elaineweinberg7094]

Tyrion was always a gentleman man and helped sansa.

[@tylerpaige9807]

Little Dove

[@ivetlyubomirova6440]

Cersei felt bad for Sansa for marrying Tyrion but not ler little monster son eho mistreated and humiliated her every time he had the chance? 🙄

[@angelastone4806]

In the show at least she acknowledges that Joffery is difficult & hard to love, so she would understand if Sansa did not truly love him.

[@happilyevernever4289]

This is not her feeling bad, this is just her taunting Sansa.

[@ryano6094]

The one with the grotesque appearance was still more honourable than the handsome Prince

[@CHEVYedsf]

Ironically this would have been a really good match for her instead of what She ended up having to go through.

[@Eriennexton]

This isn't Cersei feeling bad for Sansa. This is Cersei being sadistic and mocking.

[@inkwell101]

Of her 3 potential/actual husbands, Tyrion was Prince Charming

[@made-line7627]

Who was the third? Willas?

[@made-line7627]

Aaahhh, forgot about Ol' Ram

[@ciandryl]

What chapter was this?

[@wins2677]

okay hearing about the books after watching the show cersei seems worse in the books

[@Louloubee]

I don’t think she felt bad at all. She just hated her brother and showed it, ohh and rubbed it in Sansa’s face because she was jealous of her

[@mariedaparellio5686]

Do Sansa and Tyrion consummate their marriage in the books?

[@Laruto722]

They do not

[@KoshPilot]

no

[@ameliaflynnhayes]

Cersei was forced to marry Robert who cheated on her constantly

[@cameronjadewallace]

Can't be worse than Joff, eh Sansa?

[@Wanda12383]

Linus❤

[@wheelman1324]

Cersei doesn’t have a single empathetic bone in her body

[@rovanajean9550]

Sansa is so Tully most of the time. Considering it was mostly Cat who raised her since Ned gives up at daughters, luckily Arya is Arya xD. I mean, the way she navigates around this intricate world, wary of anyone could be of harm to her, yep, Riverlander's behavior. But she is still a Stark, and those rare moments that she embraces her Stark side, goosebumps.

[@TheRealRehman]

Marrying Tyrion = winning the game

[@samsschool3639]

Sansa the show's punching bag

[@JamestneatNeat]

Not very good actors where u get them from wish do better

[@lirazka33]

Please she's more tully than she is a stark and it shows

[@balthazarmayrena600]

Eugh Sansa is the worst.