Even Stronger Renata Combo in Arena - Broken 60% Winrate Strategy | League Arena Gameplay

[@KingNidhogg]

if youre not lazy like me and sweat every round this combo is tough to play into without range. lets get it nerfed lads

[@myspacesam6829]

Nidhogg out here singlehandedly changing the ban meta in arena

[@NonEntropy]

What are you on about. People played renata cause she got a massive buff and became OP not because of the video.

[@KingNidhogg]

​@@NonEntropy patch 14.12 was on june 12th. my video went live on june 16th. if you would like to use your fucking eyes you can try and see when the pick rate went up. come back to me after checking the literal start of the video 00:00 here's a timestamp

[@lyraharrow3005]

@@KingNidhogg appropriate reaction to idiocy

[@balvin8524]

@@KingNidhogg savage, love it

[@KingNidhogg]

@@limz5093 oh you're absolutely correct in saying that. somehow a lot of people collectively decided to play it enough for others to get influenced at the exact same time, so on and so forth until it became a thing. perhaps there was a catalyst or maybe not idk guess we can never take an educated guess as to why.

[@Nikolai-pf1dm]

The EU timezones wont stop me from enjoying the freshes, juiciest Nidhogg content as soon as it drops

[@coldfist11]

Played against a 13k hp Cho'gath and 3 shot him. The rage in chat was.... *chefs kiss*

[@Nerv00100]

yeah sounds so cool and balanced! wp.

[@KingNidhogg]

@@Nerv00100 got any friends?

[@alejandroperezlumma9034]

@@KingNidhogg HAHAAHAHAHAHA DIDNT NEED TO COOK HIM LIKE THAT

[@Jixxor]

@@Nerv00100 Talking about balance when a 13k hp Cho'Gath is part of the equation lol

[@hellmaestroosu792]

If you like destroying people like this, try AP Shen with Jeweled Gauntlet and Vulnerability, hard to get but you'll get the same results

[@cocohalcyon7722]

I'm hype to watch this, I've been playing a bunch of renata since the lulu vid and she feels so fun in the mode.

[@lachlanknottiepoo9634]

cocohalcyon7722, Agreed. This build was hecking awesome but u need to try the new version. Its hecking poggers!!!! I pogged when i was playing it and the rage in chat.... It was sooo exquisite.... Nidhoggggg.

[@kalistaxd1041]

Been missing the streams but love the video posts as always :)

[@KingNidhogg]

yeah taking a break from streaming, just playing games with lads instead - a ton more fun

[@johnkisaragi5920]

another great combo with this is amumu. Every tick of his W will proc Renata's passive. I think it's a pretty fun combo together.

[@KingNidhogg]

converts to true damage too

[@seventinnine7826]

8:20 FYI the %stat/AP increases from Wooglet's/Dragon Heart/Crown/Juices/Demonic all stack additively with each other, so stacking them has diminishing returns

[@jeanegreene374]

LET’S GOO!!!! Only took a year but you finally did it!!!

[@KingNidhogg]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

[@Csaszarcsaba1]

Soooo, I have 2 new builds which well, are suboptimal in my hands but seem cool as a concept. First: Healing Urgot You go hellfire hatchet, sword of the blossoming dawn, moonstone renewer, spirit visage, so you heal yourself from hellfire hatchet and 25% of that on your ally, and heal your ally per aa from sword of the blossoming dawn and 25% of that on yourself, then amplify it all by spirit visage, the rest is optional. Second: Taric with crit The most important part of this strategy is going rite of ruin and how flexible taric is. You can get heals crit, you can get force of entropy, you can get the dmg reduction which procs with crit chance(forgot its name), also get cdr whereever you can, moonflair spellblade is best in slot prismatic, but any tanky or support prismatic works.

[@Ak40A8]

I saw this comp once before you made the video about it I got melted while i thought i can just run down two squishy support ☠️

[@Colphin]

9:40 isn't Moonflair insane here for the super fast Renata autos?

[@tobe1579]

At around half way through the Video the ivern buff just stops working. Even when He is right next to you. Very strange. In the very last round it suddenly works again

[@allypreston5060]

fun fact, if you sell needless as you buy second component for wooglets you still get the item, so can use that to get some extra gold, you're welcome

[@protatopog]

Big mashallah i can see this dub from albania

[@coolcat30]

If you get good augments, is it smart to not pick it right away, but wait instead so that other people have lower chance of rolling them? I watched your video about rolling and I wanna make sure I understood correctly

[@KingNidhogg]

yes

[@dann8855]

I think that Chaeffuer is an ideal augment for this, if the lulu/ivern gets wordless then it’s also strong.

[@play_with_aplomb]

I'm not convinced this was working every round, in fact it feels like it wasn't working most rounds - watching the buff bar each round and you can see when the bush buff is active and constantly reapplying in the early rounds, then for most of the following rounds it doesn't seem to be applying. There's also around 6:30 when Renata autos Ryze and then Ivern follows up with another, and each auto does the 550 - wouldn't there be nothing for Ivern to proc if Renata was self proc'ing?

[@roohni2226]

Ap varus with ethereal weapon is a thing i didnt expect to work ao incredibly well

[@Driaan]

Marksmage needs a numbers nerf or get bumped up to prismatic. That aug does so much fkn damage it’s unreal

[@atomicbetrayal1]

Omfg I won't be able to get "my happy place" out of my mind now when seeing an Ivern brush...

[@mikolizz]

hello mr nidhog, have u tried mr bomba ethereal weapon gragas? his w makes his q, e, and r do crazy dmg

[@Jixxor]

Would love to watch the first Renata video before this. Is it the one titled "Renata Glock: How to Beat 2 Melee Combos in Arena" ? Or can you perhaps link to it in the video description?

[@KingNidhogg]

it's like 3 videos back on my channel

[@Jixxor]

@@KingNidhogg Oh damn I didn't see that one. Guess Renata taking up 40% of the thumbnail wasn't obvious enough for me, sorry.

[@LairtoJrLimao]

I tried this combo but with Renata and Amumu, his W procs her passive instantly and the amumu can build Abyssal Mask and Bloodletters for insane magic pen and is honestly the most busted thing i have tried on Arena, felt it was way stronger than the enchanter route

[@farler1896]

Have you considered running it with milio? That seems like it could work with his passive. Slightly less uptime perhaps, than ivern played optimally. But the range increase would be nice. It would need to be checked but since his passive dmg comes as a dot over 1.5s, you might even be able to get more than one fully empowered auto off per milio passive proc.

[@KingNidhogg]

yeah it's a bit worse

[@dwencoca908]

we tried it with my duo, it’s slightly worse because millio’s w and the passive only activates every 3 seconds lessening the dps but compared to the lulu it has more potential if u cycle the abilities well and the cleanse on millio’s ult is very effective as well. we were also against a renata lulu and we won in dps just because of the slight range buff

[@hearthventer9858]

Me and my brother been running this comp in arena since last release lmao. I like the fact that AP milio does damage and has really good agency if you build full ap, also scales with the w and passive damage

[@Blamzite]

fun fact ivern w doesn't always work and sometimes applies to enemies in arena, tried this combo and it refused to work (like a week ago)

[@michealman264]

Oil up asap bro 😭🙏

[@draydra]

heh, room for one more..?

[@Wuffee]

It seems that Ivern's w passive sometimes doesn't work and then isn't applied onto Renatta- and it's not because of how far away Ivern is- IT'S THE SPAGUETTI CODE

[@WolfieeifloW]

Is there no way to proc Quest: Angel of Retribution? 100% Attack Speed seems nuts.

[@zacharywong483]

Super fun video, King Nidhogg!

[@profilename1337]

Yo bro! I played an arena game with you today. Can't believe we got into the same match. You play a lot of matches so you might not remember. I was playing Taliyah with Senna and you were playing Shaco with Akshan. Hyped to see you, I didn't even notice until after the match else I woulda said hi! Love the vids, and streams when I can catch them, man.

[@alienswarm1087]

Genuine question, would moonflair instead of demonic not work? Or is the pure ap better than the two quick autos?

[@tolmir2929]

moonflair is much better for most players, demonic is considered a bad first prismatic, you only take it if you are sure you can win, wooglet does carry early so demonic make sense in that case but even then I would personally have picked moonflair, but we do not have the same skill level, he can afford to pick scalling items since he can win with subpar items.

[@alienswarm1087]

@@tolmir2929 gotcha, thanks for the explanation

[@highsensefn1449]

im new here i wanna ask why do you have 2 cameras

[@iseeyounoobs]

Does this work with Yuumi's dmg on hit passive?

[@ducklast_name4175]

It should work, but it's been bugged for a while.

[@CallMeJoako]

@@ducklast_name4175 thanks for the info

[@mattj9366]

Any ideas if Thresh lantern would proc earthwake, and any way to abuse it?

[@crittinxd]

Nice to see ur getting the algorithm on ur side

[@icamper3751]

Just wondering - me and a friend have been playing this as well a few times. Sorc boots really better over berks?

[@donovankhorashadi1758]

Was it not perplexity instead of void because you have marksmage and do physical damage?

[@KingNidhogg]

look at my hp

[@timperman9883]

I'm curious on how this could be nerfed. I think just making it so the Renata can not proc it on the same auto attack as she places it. If she needs two attacks for every proc, I think it actually would be fine.

[@hijohn-leon]

1:23 people this strat is a fast 8 is wild. i first time renata’d and my friend first time lulu’d and we went something like 2nd 1st 1st 1st. it’s so broken

[@larrydaiyuusha8615]

would chauffeur work with hold very still?

[@denistt1]

this is broken, so easy to get going. besides that, can you do some stat udyr? my most broken builds have been udyr highrolling some randoms. moonflair is gg ofc but otherwise early game is rough. if u hit like 66% idek what beats you. i always roll for the item and keep it. gambler, eliza, dragonheart, runecarver, gargoyle all could be good

[@spacelizard5280]

It's so OP without enchanters as well. I did it with another AP carry who happened to roll Phenomenal Evil and I got the mage item that gives me some of their AP while I give some of my Haste. Ended up with 1,3k ++ AP. One auto and one damage tick from them did 90% max health magic damage lmao. For sure bonkers champ.

[@amethonys2798]

TIL Ivern W buffs allies as well. Granted it's only been a thing for a year but still.

[@czechboi9698]

Weird that demon king´s crown works like that, i calculated it and it boosted only your raw ap not the bonus one (you had 355 boosted by 29% its 103), as well as wooglet boosting your raw ap not bonus one (you had 355 boosted by 50% is 177), weird that the percentages do not stack/add up (355+103+177=635) i do not see any reason why it works like that, both the items are special items that cannot be bought normally so this seems like a nerf to them, but tbh if it worked like that you would get insane amounts just by having 2 items, so maybe for the better Edit: dragon heart would also only increase your raw ap i am pretty sure, since it has the same description as demon crown, so you would also only get 35% increase, which is 135 ap at max souls with wooglet + starter item, so building regular items is pretty important as it all derives from the base ap the items give and not the percentages Edit 2: demonic also only scales off of raw ap, as it gave 174 which is 40% of 425 (roughly)

[@michaelclendening8470]

I’m kinda dumb. When I try this I am getting like 1 proc of her passive every few autos. But in you vid it looks like you are getting them every auto. What am I missing?

[@coolbrotherf127]

You do bonus damage the first time you apply the passive mark to an enemy. Your team mate has to also hit them to consume the mark before it'll do bonus damage again.

[@Coronele]

is that a sprout like memeing sykkuno?

[@Fresch1990]

You have to try Blitzcrank with the augment that reduces CD on hit.. Infinite juggle of enemies is insanely fun plus the prismatic item which increases CC duration when critically hit Only drawback is the arena specific CC Immunity after 5 seconds. But to be fair, 5 seconds is neough to down most opponents

[@KingNidhogg]

weve done it already

[@Fresch1990]

@@KingNidhogg Oh Dang. Did not know. Will watch now :)

[@haidaramhrez5375]

5:55 u can sell the needlessly large rod before buying zhonyas to get free gold

[@isekreemskoop]

u need it to unlock wooglets no?

[@haidaramhrez5375]

@@isekreemskoop i dt think so

[@ezerald]

Now I'm actually curious, is it possible to pull something like this in normal? Renata APC with Lulu or Ivern

[@bogdanputineanu3543]

probably not, on rift you don't have the same options to kite and heal, nor the ease of access of items. this seems terrible early game. also in 5v5, its gonna be rough with so little moblity and (i think) mediocre range

[@hellmaestroosu792]

If you can survive the early game yes, but it should be quite hard

[@45ms_73]

Me and my friend played this today (we were lulu renata connoisseur even before huge buffs) and it felt really weak compared to lulu. Like you said, it felt like it doesnt always proc and playing around the brushes aint too fun, we rather like renata lulu goog vid

[@ernestoheydenvenegas233]

1:09 bush looks like an R, nice

[@marky_8945]

imo lulu is much better since with ivern ur just a stationary target weather as with lulu u can move around much more no ?

[@kutaysahlankaya3755]

this is really good but I think Lulu does a better job cuz with Ivern you have limited mobility trying to stay in bush and close to Ivern. with lulu you can run everywhere as long as you have the buff, and lulu can protect both Renata and herself. still really good with Ivern tho

[@mysticalgarbage6737]

Would this work with Kalista W or no

[@00J-Tone]

Only thing id have done different was buy perplexity instead of void for the armor pen and ms plus giant slayer since you have marksmage. Other than that this combo is op regardless of items. even low ap items will still make you demolish people

[@KingNidhogg]

do you know what demon kings crown does

[@00J-Tone]

@@KingNidhogg Yeah it increases almost all your stats. If you mean giant slayer becomes less effective. Fine. That's not the main reason for perplexity. That's just a bonus. Its the dual pen since you have marksmage giving you high physical damage. Only argument i see against it is it's overkill.

[@KingNidhogg]

@@00J-Tone are you familiar with renata's passive and what big numbers popping up does for a brain

[@zxh]

@@00J-Tone void is still better than perplex in this case, because all her damage is AP, regardless of marksmage. if you look at the final clip, leona had close to 700 MR + cloak, even then most of his damage was AP. Furthermore, her passive scales with ap, as well as the ap being amped with demon king/wooglets. perplexity would have not been bad, but most of the damage is coming from her ap damage.

[@00J-Tone]

@@zxh I think against Leona it would have been the most optimal to build perplexity. Since she has so much mr and health but not a lot of armor it would've worked best against her. If they were better players Leona could've tanked Renata long enough to chain cc and sett kill. I wouldn't bet in a tournament with money on the line vs players on his skill level he would go void over perplexity. Perplexity is an item they wouldn't release in rift cuz its so good. Too many stats.

[@melovil9199]

the only way to beat this is with AP galio with W cd augment, I had 1200 ap feeding off Lulu thread the needle + void staff but I wasn't able to damage him somehow

[@KodukoLoL]

Played the Lulu version today, got Marksmage + Don't Blink + multiple Magic pen and high role ap shards + Perplexity for Marksmage and over 2.0 attack speed due Nashors and Wits end Edit: Saw 2.5k Shadow Flame crit

[@mohamedbensaid4328]

can this work with milio's W

[@mdx4898]

At this rate we gotta ignore the whole #BanAhri thing and switch it to #BanRenata

[@kendrakkinbulwark9083]

as one of the like, 3 renata mains in arena, its tragic xD i went from start to gladiator, without seeing a single other renata. and without seeing a renata ban. Then they buff her and its like. boom maybe you can play her every 3 rounds.

[@mikalbourne]

Could you do something with Alistar or Thresh? Those two don't get the love they deserve with arena content. lol.

[@CountCrim27]

hey i got 100% magic pen from a talisman reroll although i was kayn :( but wanted to let you know it was a thing that can happen

[@ducklast_name4175]

How did you not notice that the Ivern buff was never actually on you?! It's bugged in Arena. Also Nashor's Tooth is the first Item you want to get. Always.

[@samijacquin8814]

that's really bonkers, i need to try it now that i finished my exams lol

[@jaotrx7163]

I think aurora is on pbe know and arena is still on pbe( I think) maybe arena aurora coming soon?

[@MonoIit]

I wonder if this ap Renata pick could become meta botlane, imagine seeing this in pro games

[@randomnesscythe6028]

It would take too long to scale on Sr I think, gets stomped out if they focus you too

[@hatezomm]

Stats are terrible in normal league, and other adcs just destroy you

[@NXE212]

Funny timing, yesterday I got 7th place and 5th place with my duo on Lulu (certainly skill issue ngl).

[@wintersilver6552]

I genuinely don’t know how people lose playing renata/lulu or ivern… it’s so strong

[@Andmau2552]

For her neutral special, Renata has a gun

[@hunterpeterson1495]

ivern is bugged though, theres a lot of times where w just doesn't buff

[@hunterpeterson1495]

infact looking at the video it looks like renata only got the buffs round 1

[@Moof__]

Need u to make this happen in 5v5

[@sadeirai940]

yeah the renata lulu in our lobby shit talked us so hard, got 2nd tho.

[@ryan9749]

Who were you playing? Might have been me lmao

[@ryan9749]

Who were you playing, it might have been me, lmao. I remember it being a veigar and someone

[@revengeofshadow9353]

When getting wooglet you don't need the needlessly large rod and can sell it for extra cash. Don't tell them you heard it from me.

[@KingNidhogg]

it's quite a bit of ap

[@revengeofshadow9353]

@@KingNidhogg While buying the wooglet it doesnt require the rod to be present to combine so it is just free money.

[@KingNidhogg]

@@revengeofshadow9353 true

[@_ScarCrow]

Saw so many people get a fast eight or Ff with this, First time i tried it we won XD

[@mariomerinomartin4417]

you gotta do healing urgot

[@jagrosh]

Thanks for causing my most-recent 2nd place......

[@shadowscurse6199]

i did this ONE GAME, got chain lightning and just one shot the squishy on the side cause tahm was thicc

[@SwettyPeet]

Still viable?

[@dec1663]

does milio works?

[@yettel8shrjriene922]

yes

[@yoshikurasawa9371]

time to slurp on the good meta

[@lSirCumference]

This combo is pretty lame. No skill involved in it. Finding what is essentially a bug is interesting to a degree but having a combo like this in arena does not make it more fun to play. Riot needs to fix this interaction in arena. I mean seriously it's literally a right click attack that abuses a mechanic which has been overlooked.

[@KingNidhogg]

oh ok cool! let me delete this video because you think it's lame.

[@lSirCumference]

@@KingNidhogg didn't say the video was lame. I like the content but there are people who will spam games abusing this interaction and I think arena would be healthier without this. I'm all for crazy op stuff in arena but it should be random or difficult to achieve because not everyone is in arena to have fun.

[@KingNidhogg]

@@lSirCumference oh ok let me consult you next time i release a video, i forgot i needed to check in before doing so.

[@lSirCumference]

@@KingNidhogg I like this video and your content. I also enjoy your prickly demeanor. So yea, none of this is a criticism of you or your video/content, it's a crtisicm of this mechanic in arena. Keep on keeping on.

[@ktskis1680]

a kitty that has no cooldown on W :

[@flaksi6661]

Rell + Leona and 2 curelty is the counter to renata

[@vhrover4937]

Wait people say this is bad???? I've gotten in top 4, 6 out of 7 times. 4 out of those 6 times, I placed 2nd. That's absolutely insane considering my friend doesn't like to play shit like lulu or ivern, so I have to make do with stuff like Mordekaiser or Anivia.

[@friend2194]

Correct me if I'm wrong but ig rolling prismatic assassin items would give better chance for dragon lord since there are less items in that bracket

[@KingNidhogg]

you cant do that lol

[@jacoblozada4833]

Not how that works bro, those "assassin items" you roll are literally just the normal items you can buy cheaper and randomly based on class, Prismatics you get ZERO choice whether support assassin mage tank wtv shows up

[@friend2194]

​@@jacoblozada4833 no i mean the 4k anvil you buy, not one the game give you, nor the 2k item anvil. If you see the shop the number of prismatic listed is different depend on the type of shops, eg in this video he bought prismatic mage and none of tank prismatic shows up

[@friend2194]

@@KingNidhogg i mean buying 4k prismatic in the assassin item section, it has dragonheart and less prismatics listed than in others

[@friend2194]

​@@KingNidhogg so for example you bought anvil in the mage item list and none of the tank prismatic shows up

[@Cyrecok]

why is this better than renata lulu? seems harder

[@centor111]

I cant even play renata anymore, nidhogg has it permabanned in all my lobbies 😂

[@puresoldier2052]

At it should be lol 😂

[@centor111]

Like you said in the video; the strategy is really consistent. With non-troll partners this feels so free top 4 . I think the only real Bot 4 I got with this was against Dashing yi yuumi

[@lucifertempest9566]

@@centor111 i played it yesterday solo with a singed not knowing what i was doing. we lost EVERY ROUND and then on elim round i scaled enough that we won every time and we were stuck on elim hp whole round and WON. about 2-3 losses in he wanted to ff (did not type at all only /ff) ofc i NEVER SURRENDER and we went ham.

[@sylphephilippe449]

@@centor111 Hahahaha free top 4 no... It's broken vs ppl not knowing how it works. I swear once ppl find out it's REALLY hard to win. King tried with Ivern because the Renata x Lulu got figured out, he's doing these video to spread awareness so that people know how to win vs these. When he played with Lulu, NO ONE was trying to kill her even tho she mispositionned a lot. Here Ivern is harder to kill, but it requires Renata to stay in bushes so it's a clear weakness. Renata bot carry has been a thing amongst Renata mains, and I can tell you, once your ennemy knows you need someone to trigger the passive, it's OVER.

[@DROGGELBECHERd]

It's literally 40% winrate not 60%.

[@Monkeydew1o2]

Honestly this might work off of Arena...

[@monke2103]

It was fun abusing renata before nidhogg unleashed the horde

[@cyte1]

Ap rammus with the comet prismatic item

[@brainer-7057]

This also works with milio

[@HoroshSasha]

KZbinr, passive renata and w ivern don't work together 🤨

[@sneeky_snack]

People do so awfully on it because their Lulu doesn't know how to shield the Renata and not themselves, or the Renata doesn't know how to play with range effectively. I see Renata/Lulu in every other game and its getting boring please nerf papa Rito, I need to reserve my ban for Olaf so I can have fun

[@robertjobe5503]

do find lulu better because of things like orbital lulu lets you move around more but ivern seams just as painful both having ups and downs too there way of enchant buffing her what i have seen hard counters this is things like vi ult 1 shot or ult perma cc from her makes this very painful cant really dodge a vi ult and cc locks you till you have died 2 times me and my other person we have most problems vs hard cc teams that can do it from far away or yi mystic punch be we perma ban yi so funny we at high gladiator rank and like its not once bin ban for us at all don't know why its still op 90% of games are top 2 for us and lulu just goes full tank with AH so it dosent mater if she gits shot much

[@deusvult9439]

Marskmage is so crazy

[@xFeb]

i kept getting tilted at this mans bush placement. my guy had 1 job but keeps forgetting...

[@KingNidhogg]

dont be rude

[@xFeb]

@@KingNidhogg teehee :3

[@KingNidhogg]

@@xFeb nah the proper response is "mb"

[@iN_Vz]

true but we are only human

[@KingNidhogg]

@@iN_Vz some of these humans abuse anonymity and take out their shit lives on others

[@mkfoda1]

Brother, you're making my life as k'sante a hell on arena😂 Keep it up dude

[@Dogno94]

millio is the best for this combo