Event Horizon : Chaos and Evil

[@spartanalex9006]

That last line has the same energy as "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make."

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

Lord Farquad has returned lol.

[@DarkVeghetta]

If it looks like the Warp, behaves like the Warp, and quacks like the Warp, then it probably is the Warp.

[@The_New_IKB]

Amen! The Emperor protects!

[@ForageGardener]

Did you just say Warp? Dispatching Grey Knights to your location, stay where you are.

[@RealCodreX]

Only that the Warp is not the Warp is not the Warp.

[@martinlastname8548]

If it quacks like the warp it’s 100% a red flag

[@UnhingedChronicler]

“I built the event horizon to reach the stars, but she’s gone much farther than that.”

[@Dukesparrow1999]

"Look at her Miller, isn't she beautiful?"

[@Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet]

This movie is why every starship captain keeps Ordo Malleus on speed dial

[@the_algo_rhythm]

They really should have gotten their Gellar field up and running before hitting the warp drive.

[@leonviveza]

every starship or just ship should avoid Laurence fishburne to be the captain or just on the ship. he jusy have the track record of taking his ship to total disaster

[@FatManJackson]

In my headcanon what happened in this movie is the reason why the Gellar field was invented in the Warhammer 40k universe. They created the warp drive before they had a Gellar field and learned from this event.

[@doublep1980]

The Warhammer prequel theory has in fact been confirmed by one of the screen writers, in a Q & A session on Twitter, couple of years ago. According to him, they were brainstorming for a space-horror movie. One of the ideas that was thrown around was: ''Hellraiser in space'' and his co-writer, who was a Warhammer table top player started mentioning the whole ''flying through the Warp''-concept in Warhammer which eventually led to the script for the movie. So yeah, Event Horizon is in fact a Warhammer prequel.

[@J0MBi]

It's *inspired* by Warhammer, but then the Warhammer universe is inspired by H.P. Lovecraft. You can also see a lot Isaac C Clarke's 2010 in both the look of the ship and the mission to investigate it.

[@ldarksong]

​@@J0MBi Thing is though The Event Horizon herself looks like a version of a Battlefleet Gothic vessel. So yes while Warhammer inspired the writers of the movie, the movie universe itself has become a logical beginning for the Warhammer universe. And given the lore around the God Emperor it is possible that he may have had a hand in in the creation of the Event Horizon. .

[@J0MBi]

@@ldarksong yeah it's a valid read of the text for sure, it's interesting to know it was a conscious decision to take inspiration from Warhammer. It's just that there's clearly a lot of different influences in both Event Horizon and Warhammer, so having those elements present in the film can be read in different ways. Like you said with the *Gothic* architectural design influences of the interior of the ship, those styles also predates Warhammer by a long time, though GW certainly had a unique take on it. But ultimately, Event Horizon isn't a Warhammer prequel story simply because the production company didn't pay for the legal rights to use that IP, and if there *was* enough direct evidence to point to it being set within that fictional universe that evidence would have ended up being presented in a civil court case. Film makers have been successfully sued over a lot less.

[@psychshift]

Yup, basically they said they couldn't get the rights for 40k but it's essentially a 40k movie in all but name.

[@ldarksong]

@@J0MBi Well at the time that Event Horizon was released the only connection to Warhammer, based on the visuals of the ship and the technology shown in the film, would have been noticed by fans of the Warhammer franchise. What has been mentioned by the writers of the show in regards to their influence coming from Warhammer while not an official declaration that this is the Warhammer universe at its very beginning the declaration really it's not necessary. What has occurred in the film Event Horizon does fit quite well with the Warhammer universe as it's very beginning. Who knows? In time Games Workshop may actually find a way to retcon the film's history into Warhammer officially. Given the current track record regarding retcons, this could be very possible.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Not really related, but I've thought for awhile Miller is probably one of the best captains in a sci-fi work without "Trek" in its name. He's quite competent, concerned with his crews, capable of making tough calls, and - maybe most importantly - smart enough to say "fuck this ship, we're leaving" after seeing the murder-orgy video. If only all sci-fi captains were that smart.

[@RoosterFloyd]

I really loved that as well, it goes to show you that incompetence isn't the only way for a horror story to slowly unravel into death. Characters don't need to be stupid to die. In fact I would argue it is much more horrifying to see people fail despite making the right choices. That they never actually had a chance in the face of this unknowable thing.

[@mrwookie72]

​@@RoosterFloyd "the cabin in the woods" springs to mind as well. In that despite the stereotypical victims they were selected and coerced (and even drugged) by the "white collar observers" to control them.

[@RoosterFloyd]

@@mrwookie72 Yeah, Cabin in the Woods was great, even the idiotic decisions had good reason, the gas, and the dirt bike jock guy would have actually pulled off his jump if it wasn't for the futuristic energy wall. Only part I didn't like was the virgin not killing the fool at the end, we're talking the end of the world.. Not to mention the fact that obviously the fool would be high as a kite, the fact that the weed made the gas not work on him is silly, they would have tested for that. It's the most common recreational narcotic. Fantastic movie though. Love the nightmares being released, loved the variety, loved the references, only thing I didn't love was being left wanting more.

[@mrwookie72]

@@RoosterFloyd the virgin s.type is more "final girl these days.. Yeah.. hard to have a sequel when the "old / ancient ones" rose and presumably consumed/destroyed the world . (And joss wheedon's reputation!)

[@RoosterFloyd]

@@mrwookie72 Yeah, I reckon virgin means hasn't done anal.. yet. I don't know, seems like Joss kind of wriggled out of cancellation.

[@thedragondemands5186]

A realm of pure madness, where the very laws of physical reality lose all meaning. May the Emperor’s holy light protect us.

[@Reece-3601]

Warp demons will have their wicked way with you all I'm afraid..

[@thedragondemands5186]

@@Reece-3601 Even the man who has nothing, can still have _Faith_

[@someboi4505]

​@@thedragondemands5186 Ave Imperator gloria in excelsis Terra

[@Twentyand1]

The Emperor protects

[@TommyG_0311]

The Emperor protects

[@andreykuzmin4317]

I just realized, that Even Horizon is not only resembles a ship without a Gellar's field, but also a space hulk. It's a giant derelict, that skims in and out of the Immaterium, is a threasure throwe of knowledge... and it picked up stray passengers.

[@FatManJackson]

Why do you add h's to "treasure trove"?

[@Tuberuser187]

@@FatManJackson Bhecause thats how yhou shpell them!

[@TheIconicHat]

"This isn't Vengeful Spirits coming to punish the wicked..." I see what you did there.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

That feeling Fishburn's character has is so human it hurts. Feeling guilt, even though you known in your thinking brain that you did everything right. Your gut, or heart still nags at you. Because you are human and cared.

[@DrCaptainSquirrel]

I've never heard this theory before but it does fit really well. The writers def took inspiration from 40k when making this. Emperor Protects!

[@victorkreig6089]

The screenwriter literally was a 40k player and wanted to make a movie of it but was told to kick rocks

[@TheBrewjo]

There's something perfect about a Historian who can speak on 40K lore.

[@MrChupacabra555]

2:35 : Going WAY back, my first exposure to "Gothic Cathedral Starships" was the "Cygnus' from Disney's "The Black Hole" 😄 Edit: Huh, I made this comment right before you actually mentioned The Black Hole.

[@TheAnon03]

"We may still be able to work with this" Is behind every technological development. Crops started with "what plants will kill us and what wont", went to "Can we make the plants that only sometimes kill us or make us ill do that less"? Fire started with uncontrolled wildfires Dogs came from wolves and being bitten and thinking "We may still be able to work with this". etc etc etc for basically everything.

[@RoosterFloyd]

Yes, humanities greatest talent is harnessing the powers of nature. Bending them to our will in some capacity. It is what makes us beautiful, it is what makes us horrifying. The chaos is not in our creations but that which dwells within the heart of every man.

[@deshrektives]

Pretty sure the invention of agriculture wasn’t inspired by the desire to make poisonous plants slightly less poisonous.

[@TheAnon03]

@@deshrektives Planting crops, no. But we as a species started working on selectively breeding to make better food crops early on and part of that was making some things less toxic. I put it in mostly because finding something that tastes good but makes you sick falls well within the vibe of "We may still be able to work with this".

[@Luk3us]

As is always the case with technology, you don't want to use the early models. 🙃

[@deshrektives]

@@TheAnon03 Your thesis is cool, and very much worth salvaging. The general idea that early man encountered poisonous plants and thought “we may still be able to work with this” is inspiring. But it’s more likely that this was accomplished by changing our relationship to those poisonous plants, e.g. cooking them or eating some parts of the plant but not others. It’s unlikely that the desire to selectively breed poisonous plants to be less poisonous so that we could eat them played a role in primitive agriculture. There’s no evidence for it, it’s not really logical, and, despite our selective breeding processes being way more advanced, it doesn’t play any significant role in agriculture today. Like I said, it’s a cool thesis, nevertheless, your particular example that “we as a species started working on selectively breeding to make better food crops early on and part of that was making some things less toxic” should probably be pivoted to “we learned we could eat them anyway by cooking them or restricting ourselves to certain parts of the plant.” 😊

[@andrewsmithphoto]

Never heard this take before, but It works well. Always like Event Horizon and wish the original cut had made it to a DVD release.

[@JinKee]

Can you imagine being one of the dozens of people who worked so hard to get the blood orgy scene just perfect only for the footage to be lost forever? It lives on, only in their stretched rectums. And it would have been far more tame than anything we watched on liveleak as kids.

[@James_Bee]

It's tragic that it will never happen.

[@GK-lf2mn]

No one ever mentions that the core looks like a biblical angel when it activates. "Libera te tutemet ex inferis"

[@feralhistorian]

That never crossed my mind, but now that you say it . . .

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

It is my personal head canon that Event Horizon is a Warhammer 40K prequel movie of a sort (even though they are totally separate franchises). The Warp was twisted by the extreme violence of the War in Heaven 60 million years ago, and has been darkening and becoming more sinister ever since, but still hasn't gone as far down the path of becoming what amounts to space super hell yet as it does by the events of the Horus Heresy and Warhammer 40,000 epoch because the galaxy has not yet endured the many other wars that happen over the next 30,000 years of history (most notably the fall of the human stellar empire that arose during the Dark Age of Technology and ended with the war with the Men of Iron and the betrayal of humanity by its alien 'allies', and the fall of the decadent Eldar empire that resulted in the 'birth' of Slaanesh). As a result, in the time that Event Horizon is set, the Warp is dangerous but not as comprehensively monstrous as it will one day become. Warp daemons cannot manifest directly into material reality yet and Warp Rifts do not form as easily or in precisely the same way. As a result, the threat of the Warp is largely contained and does not manifest in material reality, at least not in normal circumstances. Unfortunately, the reality distorting effect of the gravity drive creates exceptional circumstances in which just enough of the Warp can leak through to our universe to begin effecting the balance of the minds of mortals rendered vulnerable by guilt and trauma, and manifest auditory and visual hallucinations in a bid to manipulate those so effected into serving the goals of the (at this time still embryonic) Ruinous Powers, those goals mostly being to spread fear, suspicion, death and general carnage into material space to further the intensity in real space of the negative emotions that give the Chaos gods form and power in the Warp. The warning of what happened on the Event Horizon is either lost to history or misunderstood, and so the process of the darkening of the Warp continues down the millennia, until one day, 30,000 odd years later, the by then vastly more developed and powerful Chaos Gods find a willing disciple in Erebus of the Word Bearers, who goes on to seduce the Primarch Lorgar to the worship of Chaos, and with him the entire Word Bearers Legion. Through the Warrior Lodges that corruption is spread across other Legions, until the fateful events on Davin and the fall and corruption of Warmaster Horus Lupercal, at which point the Horus Heresy begins in earnest.

[@ieatpeopleand]

The guy who made Event Horizon was a huge Warhammer fan at the time by his own admission. Emperor protects 💀 🫲🫱

[@michaelthayer5351]

I don't know if the warning of Event Horizon was lost or misunderstood, if I remember the timeline right it wasn't until the end of M15 that the totality of the Solar System had been colonized with Humanity opting to or needing to build tall in our home system due to the dangers of the Warp. I think first contact with Xenos was only in M8? but I don't remember and 40k lore is as malleable as Tzeentch. With the Dark Age of Technology being closely tied with the creation of the Gellar Field and reliable FTL opening up new avenues of progress and resources that brought the Interstellar Human Federation into a Golden Age. There's also some weird lore about Men of Gold and Men of Stone that was clearly put in because someone had just read Plato.

[@nonya1366]

Apologies for the necro-post, but technically speaking, Khorne/Tzeetnch/Nurgle were properly formed already, just...Different. Since they weren't in a fourway fight brawl. In fact, khorne and nurgle are more allied [as much as a chaos god can be] Without a fourth chaos god, the game isn't set, the match isn't played, the horror doesn't begin. Khorne is fully formed and...Also isn't taking advantage of that situation to beat Tzeentch to death with a fully functioning spine. But more importantly, the warp as you've noted, was far more 'gentle' around this time. Gentle enough that a pre-golden age mankind could figure it out without being discouraged. Also this means at some point humanity will meet orks, specifically the orkish empires. That'll be fun. You leave hell and end up in a propa' scrap.

[@silverdandy5639]

Just love how this film keeps bringing in new fans. Plus it’s one of the last practical model sci fi films before everything went cgi.

[@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv]

You think it was GOOD???

[@rumination2399]

@@AtropalArbaal-dk8jvit was, for its genre. It’s flawed but I remember when it came out. Most of the horror and sci-fi people I knew loved it

[@impcit5717]

You bring up an interesting point about if the ship made it to Proxima Centauri. What if the daemonic influence was not from the transit but the destination? Could all of this be exposure to whatever lives on Proxima Centauri? A psychic weapon that destroys through mental degradation?

[@mightyman718]

That's an interesting theory. I'd never thought of that

[@Bronasaxon]

I think they make it pretty clear that it is the transit that is the issue. that said, its been a few years since i watched the film, so i could be wrong.

[@beneagleson3026]

I really like this idea - the movie I think makes it reasonably clear it’s the transit. They should have left more ambiguity. A sequel could have reached Proxima Centauri …

[@donnguyen3795]

That's even worse to think about, our closest neighbors, in space is a realm of pure chaos and evil and slowly siphone its dark energy to us.

[@jonathanryan9946]

The point of that comment wasn't if Proxima Centauri did it and not the higher relm of reality. It was a reference to Warhammer that as long as they could reach the Stars with it still, perhaps they can mitigate the influence of the higher relm like Warhammer does with galler fields.

[@Lazarou101]

Best quote in movie history: "....... we're leaving."

[@victorkreig6089]

If Miller had been in charge of The Nostromo Alien would never have been a franchise lol

[@mattmelton7389]

" I have no intention of leaving her, Doctor. I will take the Lewis and Clark to a safe distance, and then I will launch TAC missiles at the Event Horizon until I'm satisfied she's vaporized. F this ship!" Is pretty cool too. And the fire in space dialogue.

[@1vandread]

I’m more a fan of Coopers, “Don’t hit me!”

[@BrendanSchmelter]

Event Horizon = Early 40K Humanity discovering the Warp... Before Navigators & Geller Fields were invented.

[@theguycisterninoyelledat6272]

Navigators weren't originally needed as AI could could properly calculate and navigate the Warp. it was only after the war with the men of Iron that navigators became required.

[@AyamHunters]

I loved the depiction of warp travel in WH40K: Darktide's intro movie too.

[@BrendanSchmelter]

@@AyamHunters Me too. It literally showed Warp Travel as diving into Hell.

[@Mak10z]

Event Horizon - the best Warhammer 40k film :)

[@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv]

It was fucking awful.

[@Corvusripper343]

​@@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv Shut up, Nostalgia Critic... I know this is your secret account xD

[@darthkek1953]

Agreed. And Demolition Man was the best 2000AD film.

[@darthkek1953]

And "You Were Never Really Here" was the best Punisher film.

[@Mak10z]

@@darthkek1953 I had not heard of this film. I will need to check it out :)

[@bheathrow]

It's a Lovecraft movie... IN SPAAAAACE!

[@gavinhammond1778]

Mate, you have outstanding taste in movies. Thanks for the content.

[@patroclusilliad233]

Thinking about it, this really is a perfect example of a classical gothic tale in space. You have the past haunting the present, a common theme in gothic literature, be it dark age denizens looking back at the golden age and the hope they lost, the sins of the past, and yes the supernatural, in the form of curses, on individuals, bloodlines, of places being haunted by malignant forces. They even have a storm around them somewhat keeping the main characters locked to the story's main location. The gore, and trauma, are even more modern versions of the shock tactics used in those old tales. Considering that this is all stuff that Warhammer 40k draws from, it's not a surprise people would feel this is a sequel, regardless of whether it was intended to or not.

[@SuperBoyboys]

I only found your channel a few hours ago, and we have a new video to watch! Happiness!

[@Emanon...]

You're in for a treat. Welcome to the pack!

[@Portents-Magic-imagination]

So did I.

[@michaelthayer5351]

It's a common thing in 40K and most similar stories about evil/chaos that the malicious entities need some kind of physical host or anchor in our world in order to survive. While this lets them act upon the material world it also makes them vulnerable, which is why a tenth dimensional neverborn that is a million screaming voices made manifest can still be hurt by a pointy stick. It's honestly the thing I absolutely love about 40K, yes there is an endless abyss of evil throughout the cosmos that permeates everything, but if you clad yourself in the armor of contempt any evil, no matter how vast, can still be fought, resisted, and ultimately defeated by your own force of will and spite as a man among untold billions.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

I see it as an excuse for why Cavemen can beat Such Lovecraftian horrors. Let's be real. They need to be able to hurt it. Granted the little problem is that the demons simply respawn in the warp after a physical Defeat. A Permanent solution requires Psykers.

[@michaelthayer5351]

@@silverhawkscape2677 I don't see it as an excuse. The Immaterium is a reflection, a reverberation of the Materium. Their elements act and affect one another. Psykers can channel warp energies into thermal energy and create a fireball to damage material objects, so logically the reverse must therefore be true that kinetic force can damage immaterial entities. Especially since the Immaterium is a reflection of conscience thoughts and feelings, if enough people, or even one person, believes strongly enough that the pointy stick driven into the heart of an otherworldly horror will hurt it then it will because of the strength of that conviction echoing in the Immaterium and changing that realm's ever malleable reality. And while demons may be returned to the warp once their tether to the physical world has been too badly damaged it is not as if they simply respawned. They expended energy and are therefore weakened in a realm where there are always predators lurking especially now that their followers, whose belief feeds and strengthens them, lay either dead, scattered, or sacrificed. Banishing a demon can do a lot more than buy time, that's why the Chaos gods were so terrified of the Emperor because they foresaw how he was stifling the flow of emotions and belief that gave them their immense power which in time would render them weak enough that either Big-E would dictate their surrender or just snuff them out and reset the Warp to how it was before the War in Heaven.

[@MrGrubee48cc]

The Paul Harrell of Nerd stuff, I like your content since you are very well spoken

[@robertlay3710]

I was one of your Delivery Drivers when you were in Oregon. I wish I'd gotten to know you better. I'm very glad I found your channel

[@feralhistorian]

Welcome to the channel and thanks for lugging stuff up to the door. As I recall there was a lot of that.

[@robertlay3710]

@@feralhistorian Just as Murphy picks the most inopportune moments to show up, Heavy/Akward packages always go upstairs lol

[@fullmetalgamers1276]

Id love the entire uncut version of this movie.

[@MoonBeamLaser]

Unfortunately, the cut content were poorly stored in a salt mine and got damaged.

[@James_Bee]

Damaged is an understatement. They are unsalvageable.

[@EricFieldBttryBulldog]

It would be interesting to do a sort of historiography of chaos in English-language literature. Starting with Michael Moorcock introducing the idea, to Gygax and company adopting it into D&D, to GW’s mashup of Moorcock’s work with a bunch of other authors’ work, to it becoming a sort of new orthodoxy as the black library established rules for its fictional universe(s).

[@darthkek1953]

Chaos vs Law staretd with Poul Anderson's "Three Hearts and Three Lions" Moorcock (who I love) based an entire career on nicking that idea.

[@EricFieldBttryBulldog]

@@darthkek1953 and now we have a fifth point for a historiography.

[@AndySomogyi]

Very interesting (as usual with you :) ). I’ve never gotten into war hammer 40k, but I have watched a bit on the lord. So the warp “gods” are a bit like the Ori in SG1, in that they feed off emotions in our realm. Hey, that’s an idea, you should do a few episodes on the ancients and Ori in SG1. SG1 has been one of my favorite series because they combine archeology and sci-fi. One series that would have been EPIC is Babylon 5’s “Crusade”, where the idea is exactly that, searching for long dead civilization to discover knowledge for a cure .

[@DChatc]

You know it's funny, because I heard theories that Event Horizon was set in the Hell raiser Universe and that its the same thing as a lement Configuration and that it encountered Leviathan. But now that you bring Warhammer up I'm now wondering something even more insane: Is WARHAMMER a part of the Hellraiser Universe, and Slaanesh is another name for the Leviathan..

[@rutgaurxi7314]

This is a known theory, /tg/ has toyed with this for aeons.

[@victorkreig6089]

The screenwriter is literally a 40k player and had wanted to make a script for it before This was as close as he could get

[@darthkek1953]

Dark Elves are basically Cenobites. Look at the old Mandrake models all Bondage & Blood and lore of weaving between dimensions.

[@KatanamasterV]

This has been one of my favorite films since I was a child

[@Emanon...]

I absolutely agree that people have a tendency to confuse "chaotic" systems with essentially "consistently erratic" systems. An example of that in the zeitgeist is "3 Body Problem", which is in no way chaotic, merely "predictably unpredictable", if that makes sense. Brilliant video as always. This is my favourite KZbin channel now. Never disappoints!

[@RamblingsByCorey]

I love the theory that Event Horizon is Warhammer 40k the prequel. The brutality is closer to lore Chaos instead of "pop chaos"

[@ericmiller931]

I love wH40K lore and put the storys together. I like this channel

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Fantastically memable film and had some great moments. But dear heaven, what were they thinking with the credits music!?

[@HarenunHoppus]

It was the 90s, that kind of music was the in thing back then.

[@Mak10z]

(Funky Shit by the Prodigy) I thought it summed up the film nicely. would have been far more apt if the (now destroyed) director's cut had been released instead :)

[@Naptosis]

It made me watch all the credits! 😆

[@JohanKylander]

8:00 I'm glad someone else thought of the star of Chaos in that shot. And I love the mutated eye design on the door. 9:07

[@Madmax-rz5hz]

I watched event horizon for the 1st time recently and the Warhammer 40,000 connection jumped out at me, though my initial introduction to chaos was through michael moorcock, who seemed to think order was even worse, and came up with the balance to fill the good guy gap. He also came up with the multiverse...

[@whyjnot420]

I love the 40k idea, it fits so so well, but here is a thought based on the question posed at the end of the video. The ship went *somewhere* so maybe it went exactly where it was supposed to go, Proxima Centauri... it just got the dimension it came out in, a bit wrong. I think the idea it went into what is essentially a messed up echo of our reality... for our purposes, not really any different from the immaterium. Though instead of being the medium/dimension that is used for travel, it was the destination itself. Weir already explained it perfectly with his demonstration on the pinup. Just imagine that the pinup was originally part of some magazine.... the ship just got the page wrong, not the X & Y coordinates, just some analog for a Z axis. edit: Imagine if you will, a mirror universe/dimension, that has been shattered and is high on meth.

[@tw200rocks]

Bread hooks. Thank you o sith lord for this most excellent phrase, we are not worthy

[@philipguisinger4502]

I was not expecting this opening up with talking about warhammer 40k! I'm pleasantly surprised!

[@jnk542]

Your vids are amazing. Please never stop.

[@mightyman718]

I dont have anything clever to say besides thanks for making friday night drinking sessions (im in australia) super interesting.

[@enocescalona]

Hell yeah! I love that you are exploring why would it be similar to 40k. Great work! I heard rumors that they actually wanted to show "aliens" in this movie. I am glad they didn't, because whatever they came up with, would be too dissimilar to 40k to make it a prequel of sorts.

[@samizdatbroadcasts7654]

The conflation of chaos and evil goes back, I think, to previous generations of sword and sorcery fiction. The works of Michael Moorcock in particular come to mind. This left its stamp on early dungeons and dragons also, which had a lawful vs chaotic alignment system early on. Through this, the concept no doubt came to a little company called Games Workshop, which imported and distributed dungeons and dragons in the UK. My guess, at any rate.

[@summitap1]

the opposite of chaos is commonly considered to be: order, which is considered good in western ethnoreligious traditional lore.

[@darthkek1953]

Poul Anderson's "Three Hearts and Three Lions" started Chaos v Law in fantasy, as MM has confirmed.

[@willumbermarchant5510]

You put in a lot of effort, brother, and dont get enough views. Keep making your stuff, tho. It is appreciated! I watched Event Horizon when i was 12 and it has seeped into my dreams ever since. Also a huge 40k lore fan.

[@antonysherry4267]

You have a very British sense of humour. Never saw any of your jokes coming, but they all made me chuckle. 😂

[@sweetbobbybliss]

Outstanding video my guy!!!

[@snaaakeey1]

Genius my man. Welll done.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

The sea… it sings Do not heed the singing of the Sea Follow only the Emperors Light _The Light shall lead you to Refuge…_

[@dein45d]

What an excellent review

[@NotForHire42]

00:47 - This is a common line in DnD games I play.

[@AverageEstonian]

I always saw this movie as a unoffical precuel to the 40K even if it is just movie about space madness in gothic style space ship with sus experimental jump drive.

[@derp489]

I was just saying I needed something awesome to watch. Thank you!

[@mattdeelight]

Fantastic take and well analyzed. I will be back.

[@peterteua1706]

As someone has mentioned in the comments section this was supposed to be a Warhammer 40k film. In 1995 during the time Games workshop started a comic line. If I'm correct this was supposed to be Blood Angel as the comic had an advertisement of Blood Angel and they hinted it would be Live action. Yes, I still have those comics or did until I gave my first edition comics to my friend.

[@josephthomas4797]

Awesome!!! Real cool to hear your take 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@HorusHeresy1982]

It seems like the source is the gravity drive as after the ship separates, Cooper and Stark make it home. So all you technically need is a replacement drive. Bigger ship with a drive for going and coming back. Ditch them into the sun after use. Shove the crew into cryosleep while they travel through the gate way. Perfectly usable star drive technology, if you ignore the possession and just treat it as an expended fuel instead :)

[@markc5111]

Your Awesome ideas, theories and connections to real life are truly excellent. I just wish they were a bit longer ❤🎉❤

[@Michael-ek2eb]

The video is great but our narrator is a man of class. Saruman does have a really nice office and big chair room.

[@Aarkwrite]

An event horizon and Warhammer video ❤

[@JasonKanigan]

I loled at the dollars to donuts favorability line😂

[@frogmastiff8198]

Good job Sir, liked and subbed off the back of this one, look forward to seeing more

[@PoyoPoyo-qd3ss]

You have good taste in architecture. Nosgoth from Legacy of Kain with its dark fantasy gothic beauty and simultaneous Lovecraftian horror/sci-fi was always one of my personal favorites.

[@waynegoddard4065]

You earned a subscriber. Well done!!!!! I like 40k and Event Horizon is up their with Alien and The Thing for being standout horror films.

[@knoise0]

Me and my dad watched in the theater. Liked it .

[@briangilmore6804]

Good piece! Your thoughts on how for most of the crew the horror comes out of their own guilt makes me wonder if you're familiar with Stanislaw Lem's Solaris. The book and the Tarkovsky film (I don't think I've actually seen the more recent American adaptation, come to think of it) have a strangely similar set-up, but as less of a straight-up horror and more as a thought provoking mental experiment. It provides an interesting contrast, at least.

[@rokinz3270]

On the alpha centary question I think the ship did make with most of the crew infested by Slanesh with the exception of the captain which is Tzeench. The ship made a return trip to the solar system afterwards presumably by the capital to spread chaos to earth. A surviving crew member that had some resistance to the predations of the warp foiled this and killed the captain and tried to get the ship to crash into Neptune but was prevented from succeeding completely with the ship only in a decaying orbit instead. Thus ends the prequel to event horizon: The maiden voyage of the event horizon.

[@blackc1479]

I love the 40k tie in, it fits really nicely. And my headcanon would be that it slid into slannesh's realm, just from the people's reaction. Though the ramapant introspection feels kinda tzeench. Basically forbidden knowledge.

[@stizanley3987]

Thank you for teaching me the concept of egregor!

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Never thought of it that way, interesting.

[@MrHaakwood]

Fucking Elves! XD Thank you! Now I have to clean up! Spilled my Drink over my table! :D

[@markgouthro7375]

Well that was fun!

[@Javier-rm6ql]

You have changed completely how I saw that movie.

[@RoosterFloyd]

I would say it is neither, it is both, it is so much more in it's unknowable complexity while so too being horrifyingly simple. There isn't a word for such a place, words do not exist in such a place. Your tongue may wag, your throat may make the noise, and your breath may push it from your lips but every sound is no better than dead language. We can call it hell, an abyss, oblivion, we can attempt to explain it's nature with words like evil or chaos but the reality is so much more. To create a truly fitting uderance for it, if even possible, would require us to see it, to know it, to feel it, and by that time you will be gone, lost to it, and what would pass from your mouth would be fading screams.

[@sid1gen]

Great last line

[@ashaide]

Fun fact. Dr. William Weir is the creator of the warp drive in the Event Horizon. I guess you can call it the Weir Drive. The... Weir-D. Get it?

[@ethanmcfarland8240]

you should really do a video on ATLA/LOK and how they interpreted "order/light vs chaos/darkness" its pretty dumb in my opinion

[@cmbaz1140]

LOK is fanfic. Its so stupid it has to be.

[@crusader2112]

I think a video on Avatar the Last Airbender in general would be cool. 👍 But let’s leave Lok where it belongs.

[@MrDj232]

ATLA pretty much took Yin and Yang wholesale with them being opposite but complementary forces. It's LoK that retconned it into magic kites of good and evil.

[@twenty-fifth420]

@@cmbaz1140LOK is fine, and fanfics are not a good determiner of comparison. I have actually read some fanfics/comics. They are usually fun, if not fast and loose. As for the comment above since LOK cannot be fanfic since it is canon; it is one of the few major things off about LOK. It isn’t really bad per se, just unexplained and frankly unexpected.

[@UFOFlyer4Scully]

This is a great vid thank you always loved the idea of Event Horizon being a 40k linked film.

[@TheDashingRogue]

Will you do a review of elric or any other Michael Moorcock media?

[@mightyman718]

Super glad someone is aware of moorcocks work. It's crazy most people aren't aware of the Elric series

[@Revenge221]

Someone mentioning Elric in 2024? I am stunned.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

I have only read some of the Elric of Melnibone books by Michael Moorcock, but I loved them all. I would be fascinated to hear the Feral Historian's take on the series.

[@AgentGeej]

@@mightyman718 Elric, Hawkmoon, books from my childhood, the eternal warrior series is a classic and as you say deserving of note.

[@feralhistorian]

It's been a literal lifetime since I read any Moorcock, but yeah, that could come up down the line. Added to the list.

[@TastySanchez]

Event Horizon as a 40k movie is a fucking awesome than theory. *adds note to head cannon*

[@davidmiddleton7958]

Using my own observations of Event Horizon, I have to say it is both!

[@garysuarez9614]

Its why you don't feed your hounds of Tyndalos after midnight. It turns a bad time worse, and once they get in the walls it takes more than magic eraser to get them out.

[@jamesneese7663]

Even if the ship had a gellar field, without a navigator, the ship would still have ended up in the same mess since gellar fields are not invincible against the Ruinous Powers. That is exactly what happened in Flight of the Eisenstein, when ship caught the gaze of Nurgal. The ship's gellar field didnt even last a full second. And clearly the Event Horizon had something personally involved. 😢

[@alias234]

It probably would have survived with a gellar field, as that was invented in setting around seven thousand years after the events of the movie (around M8-9 in setting calender) and by that time Humans had already spread slowly to nearby systems via O'neil Cylinders anyway. Once they had the G-Field, it became viable to use the 'gravity/warp drive' as a means to actually move humans at 'ftl' speeds.

[@richardbuckley1232]

I like Saruman’s office too. Oh my 😮

[@patroclusilliad233]

Sweet, horrors beyond human explanation, explained.

[@NuwandaLunaDragon]

what a great video

[@summitap1]

It was the one horror movie that actually scared me. Funny this is the video that made me hit subscribe. I'm not a 40k guy. I am a B5 guy and that is what kept me watching. I should have subscribed before!

[@feralhistorian]

I want to do more B5 stuff. I just have to carefully navigate the prickly and somewhat haphazard Warner Bros copyright policy. You never quite know what's going to trigger a take-down.

[@summitap1]

@@feralhistorian I guess a lot of your content has kept me coming back. Excellent analyses and commentary on everything from movies to S:AaB

[@bmhh123]

I didnt know it, but this is the video I wanted.

[@anthonycampos7417]

As a Warhammer and Event Horizon fan, I've always viewed chaos as unlimited potential. It is a place that encapsulates all that is not the here and now. A plane where everything and nothing collide and we are left to make sense of its wreckage and fallout. It isnt evil to be exact but a conscious mind coming into contact with it certainly can do no good.

[@haraldbredsdorff2699]

The way I see it: The classical chaos=evil, comes from the same view as ancient Babylonian, Egyptian and Greek view. They knew that living without civilization is hell. So living in chaos would be bad, ergo evil. And from this they created ancient evil monsters of chaos. While 40k, chaos is a refection on our desires. And by our, I mean all living things that have souls. But since most of our desires are things we do not act on, because they would be evil (stealing candy from children), while we are mostly neutral, even in 40k, our reflection would be more evil. While event horizon, I always thought it was spirits from beyond the gate, that wanted to pull more playthings. Closer to hellraizer, than to 40k. But, this is just my head canon.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Because God is cleanliness and order. The Devil is the opposite. On another note, it’s a similar concept in both Event Horizon and The 1979 film, The Black Hole. In either case, inside a Black Hole, there is Evil or a kind of Hellish plane of existence within the Black Hole. The way I feel that The Black Hole worked, was the fact that it didn’t show you much gore. But what the Black Hole did offer, however, was absurd silence in the film, silence aboard The Cygnus that is just too good to be true, and then, when it’s finally revealed, all that unnatural emptiness and silence pays off.

[@LMGunslinger]

Reminds me of the evolution vs intelligent design arguement. When the context is why a species fits a niche so well, does it matter if it evolved into that niche or designed to do so?

[@myflatlineconstruct]

>>Randal: I don't appreciate your ruse ma'am. Customer: I beg your pardon! Randall:Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me

[@WarWulf778]

Great!

[@draco6061]

2:44 love it

[@o0Wardreamer0o]

"Monsters...from the id."

[@MileRastovac]

Philip Eisner who wrote Event Horiazon confirmed himself he took inspiration from Warhammer 40K for this film.