Every Bass Angler Needs To Know THIS About Fluorocarbon Fishing Line…

[@JoshFlowers1995]

For the average weekend angler trilene big game is hard to beat .

[@timmarkowicz779]

Bass Pro Shop Excel line is the best value out there.

[@Mongo6186]

@@timmarkowicz779 I honestly think that both of these lines are great for the price! I used all three (BPS Mono, Big Game AND BPS Fluoro) as leaders on my braid and never lost a fish due to breakage on any of them.

[@tbone6924]

I spent a few years messing with fluoro and braid...not because mono was failing me, but because I bought into the hype from the so called "pros". Don't get me wrong, there are most definitely specialized situations where fluoro and/or braid offer some advantages, but in my opinion, the disadvantages often outweigh them. The reality - for the vast majority of recreational fishermen, good old mono is the best general purpose line.

[@speedeetrim4028]

absolutely...been using good ol mono for years on finicky Walleyes even in tournaments...I even asked a Walleye one time if he could see the line...he asked me what line was...fish seeing the line means what ? I guess a bass needs clear line tied to an umbrella rig in order to bite ?...I cant tell you how many fish I have caught an a spinner bait over the years...with all that wire...the difference ?..reaction bites vs slow finesse fishing...sometimes I go down to 4# for large fish especially Smallmouth but 6# mono works very good in most cases finesse fishing...the Muskie guys have been using heavy braid & 50# leaders for years...didnt prevent Muskies from biting...so just what is the difference ? lighter finesse fishing especially soft plastics give a more natural presentation...easy meal

[@timmarkowicz779]

​@@speedeetrim4028You are absolutely right. Most of these "tips" are based on industry hype in order to sell more products. Does the average fisherman need this crap? No.

[@speedeetrim4028]

@@timmarkowicz779 hey Tim...funny...when you were a kid & put a worm under a bobber & small sinker...the fish had all the time in the world to see the line...how many fish got caught ? this whole idea of fish refusing to bite because of seeing the line is ridiculous until I see verified scientific proof Im not buying it

[@georgecisneroz597]

I think Randy made the point of “for certain applications “ is correct. I’m personally not sold on fluoro I do believe it kinks too often. But as a leader it works for me, not as a main line though. Btw I’m a mono man. I don’t care about less stretch more stretch deal.

[@ksdesjardins7194]

Agree 100% bout floro been using the invizx for years and thanks for confirming my choice!!! Very good price point for the quality

[@arthurwilkerson3274]

I tried it and didn’t catch any more fish than I do with mono. All it done was cause me problems, stiff and coils to bad.

[@stevesteve4350]

My exact comment except I've been using copolymer last few years. Gamma

[@Steve-ev6vx]

The new tests I have seen says it also breaks easier than mono. Everytime it stretches it doesn't go back and deteriorates the strength. A lot of stuff Randy recommends on tackle is just opinion. Like how he says FG and uni to uni knots fail so you should use a swivel, which I disagree with 100 percent.

[@stevesteve4350]

Screw your tests buddy I do mine on the water. When I catch a 18lb flathead on 4# copolymer gamma that's good line. No line is perfect.

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@stevesteve4350 Ande mono is one of the weakest, because it always tests out at the line rating and never above it for record purposes. I have still caught monster fish on it. That proves nothing. I have 90+ amberjacks caught on it, but it definitely isn't the best.

[@stevesteve4350]

@@Steve-ev6vx Who the heck are you the fishing line patrol officer? 👉🦃

[@rifleman522]

I’ve tried fluoro and braid. I’m sticking with mono. Proven for centuries and cheaper.

[@Mongo6186]

Decades yes. Centuries, no.

[@budcin]

here in so-cal on lakes and in the aqueduct on largemouth and stripers.. straight flouro and spinning reels.. i use 6-8 pound for most lures and 10 for bait… it does have some memory and you have to watch it a little when casting.. but definitely see results

[@laffilmfest3759]

I tried all flora on my new Lou's ultralight reel, three different times it turned into a mess(first time I strung it incorrectly), finally decided it was too frustrating and went to spider wire with a 20ft flora leader...started fishing yesterday at midnight all the the way through the eclipse...worked beautifully and cast a mile, I'm new at bass hunting so I'll eventually go back to flora...but it was so nice fishing and filming with zero hassles from my gear :)

[@rogerglasco5941]

Randy, I caught my PB 11 and half pounder on 14 pound test Suffix mono. I have tried Flor. and found it to be stiff and kinky. I am no pro by any means but fish with what I trust. Plain old clear 14 pound test Suffix. It is a lot cheaper.

[@Mongo6186]

Honestly, in my opinion confidence is what catches more fish. Use what you are confident and familiar with. Not a thing wrong with that.

[@ZevenART]

Love your videos Randy, and I've picked up a ton of good stuff watching these. That said, my experience has been the opposite with fluorocarbon line. I currently have that exact Seaguar line spooled up on one of my jigging rods, because I thought I'd give another brand of fluoro one last try, but I've had the same results. Here's been my experience with every high end fluoro I've tried: more stretch, less strength, less abrasion resistance. I jig 30-40lb lake trout at 100' with 1oz jigs, and I can feel the extra stretch fluoro has vs the same diameter Trilene XT. I've also found through knot testing that the advertised breaking strength of fluoro is much weaker than my mono until you reach the same line diameter (12lb mono = 17lb fluoro). The only advantage I've ever found with fluoro of any kind is fluoro tippet material for fly fishing. I think it's slight visibility advantage shows with picky fish in clear water. Again, I love the videos, and am in no way disbuting what you're saying, I'm just sharing my personal experience with fluorocarbon. For me mono has many of the advantages that fluoro claims to have.

[@Steve-ev6vx]

We had the same experiences using it saltwater for tuna and swordfish with much heavier lines. We threw it all away quick after having it break for no reason with big, expensive fish.

[@americanagothic7851]

To each their own. I find floro to have lots of benefits. Seriously, tie floro knots and lube the line. I also spray the line on my spools with reel snot or kvd line lube. I have no issues. Mono line works great on sglass rods with lures that have treble hooks. I only use braid to floro on one of my pitching/punching setups, just to save on floro line but going just straight floro too, no issues using even 25lb test floro for punching but if the line gets nicked, you gotta cut and re-tie.

[@clay7514]

Use trilene 100 percent floro for past 3 or 4 years. Excellent line so far

[@RobertCramer-g6m]

I agree with these positives. Switching from mono gave me much better casting distance of light lures on ultralight gear. But the next spring I found that the line had become terrible, kinky, twisted and had to be replaced.

[@tbone6924]

Yup....one of the HUGE disadvantages of flouro is line memory. Not only is it more expensive but has to be replaced very frequently. In my opinion it is not worth it when the only benefit is maybe getting an extra couple feet out of a long cast.

[@sha6mm]

Randy I am done with FC except in ultra clear water. There are Mono lines out there that stretches less than FC. Mono is more abrasion resistance, take a look at Salt Strong line tests. I would bet Randy if you went to a Quality Mono for your fishing I bet you would notice no difference, try it in practice and buy line diameter’s of the same size so what you like for you FC line. I was at a Fishing Seminar and the Pro was asked what line he preferred and He said what ever his Sponsor was providing to Him. Now that says a lot.

[@tbone6924]

THIS

[@Steve-ev6vx]

So the question is whether Randy is being sponsored by Seaguar. He was called out on the mega bass ads and wouldn't even admit to it. He just said they put out the best products. Really? Because some are the best, but definitely not every lure they make.

[@burgermeister3443]

Red label hasnt let me down, and neither has invisx. Ive been doing braid to leader on my spinning setup but had a real mess when trying it on casting gear when the leader is long enough to go through the guides. That said i still got much to learn but thats been my experience so far

[@Tmann4437]

Great tip thanks Randy.

[@guyfoscone3193]

I love Invizx on bait casters especially for cranking. I stick to mono for spinning reels.

[@TheZeppelin14]

I use Berkley Vanish and love it, I haven't used any other kind of line in years.

[@martyepperly5803]

I bought a Shimano SLX150 bait casting reel for my med light/fast rod, and I spooled it with 15# Spiderwire braid and a flourocarbon leader. I was looking for a combo that would be good for casting smaller crankbaits(3/8 oz). Although I was very happy with the casts I was able to make, the lighter weight line was frequently cutting into itself, causing my casts to oftentimes abruptly abort midway through the cast. So, I have switched to 10# Berkley Flourocarbon. I'm having a bitch of a time getting the reel dialed in, experiencing an excessive amount of overspooling on my casts. I'm not sure what to do.

[@brettcreech3490]

Thanks Randy good information.😎

[@jameshorn6848]

Thanks, for what you do. It helps

[@michaellamb1342]

I like the sensitivity of FC line yes. However I can’t afford to respool up after a backlash. FC line is expensive. I’m primarily fishing for fun anyway.

[@mattdillion7646]

i started using P Line....no more SEGAR.!

[@MSingleton48]

I used fluorocarbon line for a year and was disappointed by the number of break-offs so switched back to Berkley Big Game. It didn’t seem to be breaking at the knots (I tried most, if not all of the suggested knots and always wet my line before tightening the knots). I think fluoro is more susceptible to weakening at kinks (after backlashes) and at nicks. Since my preferred fishing is in timber, line nicks and abrasions are quite common. I’m open to suggestions or explanations why I’ve had bad luck with fluorocarbon.

[@jeffscranton]

On Table Rock, fluorocarbon just works. I've tried mono and braid w/leader with limited success. Straight fluorocarbon gets more bites.

[@jimcendrowski6400]

Hey Randy, I only carry 6-8 rods with me in my boat, use mono for most topwater apps - frog and walking baits, but I have been using a hybrid line for everything else. What would you suggest for a person like me only carrying limited rods/reels and not wanting to break the bank for fishing line?

[@raimonds.L]

We in Europe mostly 99% use braided line between #0.6 and #1.2 PE. I was wondering why fluorocarbon is so popular in America

[@johnnyarial7778]

This is off topic. You go to lakes all over the country. What is the best approach to mapping out a new lake with submerged stumps? I see every one running it on pad. I'm always idling to the back. Losing a lot of time . Not many videos on it. I have laid down good tracks but with as much as the lake fluctuate what works one day may not work on another day

[@xendeon]

Thanks

[@mpybals8002]

The only thing about fluorocarbon that I think sucks is how it’s priced like gold. The strength and durability has came a long way with fluorocarbon which makes me still use it. When Berkeley vanish came out my brother used it for steelhead while I used green maxima. He was definitely hooking up but all his fish vanished because of the lack of abrasion resistance while I using old faithful still fed the family.

[@seatee4770]

The fish vanished hahaha!

[@FL-PHILLIP]

Just ordered 600yds 15lb from your link.

[@timmarkowicz779]

Seaguar is great line if you're a millionaire or you get it for FREE like Randy. That spool is $135.00!!!

[@schlomoshekelstein908]

just use 8' section for leader and braid fo r the mainline

[@timmarkowicz779]

@schlomoshekelstein908 That's what I do but I buy BPS Excel 100% fluorocarbon which is a lot cheaper.

[@WisGuy4]

Good video. I have a different sort of question about fluorocarbon. In addition to being nearly invisible and sinking, it is often said that fluorocarbon is more abrasion-resistant than braided line for catching toothier fish like the pike family or many types of ocean fish. That does not square with my personal experience cutting the line with scissors. Monofilament and fluorocarbon cut quite easily with nearly any type of scissors I have. In contrast, I need a very sharp or braid-specific pair of scissors to cut cleanly through braided line. Has anyone else observed this and do you really feel that fluorocarbon is tougher against sharp toothed fish then braided line? Why would a fish’s tooth cut through braided line more easily than a pair of scissors? Thanks.

[@Steve-ev6vx]

I feel the same way. I have heard people say braid doesn't work around structure because it cuts easier, but there is no way that is true. Mono or flouro gets near anything sharp and it cuts. I have never been cut off with braid.

[@tiptoeurchin]

I have finally come around. No more braid to flouro for me

[@hammer9856]

What are your thoughts on using braid as a backing on your reels to save $$$ when you have to respool your expensive fluro line?

[@tiptoeurchin]

Using a backer is pretty common, but use a cheap mono for that. Mono will grip the spool better where braid may slip and is way cheaper

[@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr]

I gave up on fluoro last year. Save money, cast further, fewer break offs.

[@bernarddigrino8665]

Randy, when it comes to bass fishing knowledge you are the GOAT, but I got news for you - fluoro line stretches just as much as mono line. Multiple tests have proven this in spite of the marketing claims of the fluoro industry. And mono line is much more "elastic" than fluoro. Fluoro line, when stretched significantly, DOES NOT return to it's original shape and size. I would have to check actual break strength, but 17lb Seaguar Invizx (.015") is the same diameter as 17lb Trilene XL (.015"). I personally find mono to be more managable and it is no secret that it is much easier on the wallet.

[@eugenefoster9120]

Some monos now have a lot less strech now than what use to have ,they higher qulatiy mono.

[@winstonrocco1981]

McCoys copoly for me flouro sucks too many breaks and too many backlashes. McCoys is all I need . Still use braid for frogs.

[@kevinstone9825]

Fluro stretches more than you think not like mono but good amount of stretch. .

[@Steve-ev6vx]

And I saw a study the other day that said every time it stretches it losses strength, because it doesn't rebound all the way like mono. Part of the stretch is permanent.

[@andybales7318]

​@@Steve-ev6vxEXACTLY...Fluoro doesn't have a controlled stretch & after every fish catch, snag, heavier lure weights, etc the line develops weak spots...there are far more break offs with fluoro than any other line...biggest reason...majority don't change it often enough..pros change it weekly, maybe even more often

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@andybales7318 Yeah Randy doesn't mention that part. For a recreational angler that has no interest in tournaments it isn't a great choice. I use mono backing with a braid top shot and usually only have to change the top shot once a year. I never get down to the backing bass fishing.

[@andybales7318]

​@@Steve-ev6vxI have 30 rod/reel combos...7 with braid & 23 with mono.....reels with braid stay a year, and mono I change out 3x/year....zero issues & catch plenty of bass

[@seatee4770]

You are mistaken about fluoro being thinner than mono. The reason that fluoro is thinner than mono is not because of fluoro being inherently thinner but rather because it came from Japan where they have set standards on diameters for fluoro and mono which are waaay thinner than here in the US. The Invisx is just being made adhering to the Japanese line standard that's all.

[@randyblaukatintuitive]

No, I am definitely not wrong. Fluorocarbon carbon line is smaller diameter per the same pound test of mono.

[@seatee4770]

@@randyblaukatintuitive Look at the diameters of JDM mono and fluoro and you will see that they are pretty close to being identical. Look on TW what the diameter of the Sunline mono line and compare it with their Sniper fluoro.

[@barbellsjoysticks9802]

I almost bought in to the hype regarding fleuro until I did the research and found that it DOES NOT have more abrasion resistance than mono. In fact, mono has better abrasion resistance. This was tested on the Salt Strong KZbin channel. Secondly, fleuro stretches as much as 30% it’s length which makes that negligible compared to mono. It essentially cancels out. This was tested on KZbin as well (can’t remember the channel). Lastly, how much does the “sinking” property of fleuro really matter? You have weight on the end of your line that will cause any line to sink regardless. Not sure how this gives any sort of advantage. My opinion is that fleuro is a marketing gimmick to get us to spend more money on fishing line.

[@williamgould2470]

I think fishing line is the most complicated part of fishing for the average angler. It affects the rod you use, And the reel you use. Floral is the most complicated of all the lines. Floral is not bad on a bait caster but on a spinning reel you better have the most supple line you can find and a big spool Or you will be sorry Because of the springiness of the line. There are a lot of things said about floral that are simply not true.I Have tried just about every floral out there and have gone back to either using straight braid, Braid to leader, Or a co polymer on my spinning outfits.

[@Artseventy6]

Does that floral line smell good, too?😉

[@williamgould2470]

Everything on the web seems to apply to pro fisherman. If I were fishing for $100000 I would probably use more of it. If I'm the average angler Even if somewhat accomplished I would never put more than 6 pound test of the softest floral on a spinning reel . If you are a beginner with a bait caster they will probably not only never buy floral again but may not use their bait caster again.

[@tbone6924]

"I think fishing line is the most complicated part of fishing for the average angler"...not really - for 99.9% of anglers, mono works great and no need to think about flouro or braid at all.

[@williamgould2470]

I agree but many will be looking at all 3 lines and wondering what they should get

[@catboyzee]

This is some really good information. But unless you're extremely competitive personally or professionally, I've found mono to be adequate for most applications, particularly for casual anglers (like myself) who fish as their schedule allows. Its kinda like another YTer once said in one of their uploads: The fish don't really care what rod/reel/lure you're using. If your presentation looks like food, or a threat to their spawn, they'll strike it. #respect

[@boblillard9282]

You give mega live lessons? LOL

[@davidharris4030]

Zebco 202!😆😆😆😆

[@thomasdickson375]

Great inventions. Fluorocarbon and live-scoping. Sorry. Couldn't resist. Lol

[@markhogquist2000]

Less stretch? Invizx is the most stretchy fluoro on the market.

[@rodw7368]

That’s not true at all.

[@markhogquist2000]

@@rodw7368 But it absolutely is. That's why so many people use it, especially on spinning reels. It's limp for a fluoro and handles well. How many good fluorocarbons have you used?

[@jx-gy3od]

I don’t break off with fluorocarbon nears as much as I do with monofilament. For wacky rig/dropshoting itshands down the best. Best cranking line as well. Mono stretches and starts tangling up at the end of your rod every cast after about an hour of cranking.

[@ivanwesley8182]

I watched a comparison video between fluoro and mono. Mono was much better, not even close.

[@clintperry799]

👍

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

Why do people think they are done spooling up with any Mono is the dam problem, once the Mono is on the rod and reel you are to tie a hook to it with what ever dumb looking knot you want to use my firend, pull out 75yards against the drag and once you have it out start fighting it back, this is best time to set some drag, Your goal is to stretche the dam line until it does not stretch anymore or coil up on you before even going fishing, repete it until no more coils show up. Maybe a user guild needs to be written for the end user on Mono line so they can stop wasting money on stuff they don't need.

[@m.j.greathouse456]

Morning New

[@bigguy7618]

It’s unnecessary. That’s all you need to know

[@mr.skeptical3071]

I understand one thing, it's expensive!!!!

[@treehunter1]

Everyone needs to know “high end” fluoro is a scam. Tatsu and Basix end up looking and performing like the same line after at most a week. Abrasion resistance is tied only to diameter. No coating is harder than a rock.

[@Fish-Erman]

That "crystal clear invisible" thing is total BS in my opinion. The "less stretch" thing is not true necessarily either, fluoro absolutely does stretch. I'll take a good mono over fluorocarbon every single day. And I save a ton of money.

[@speedeetrim4028]

ya...read my comments above...or perhaps learn from the saltwater guys...with 100# solid steel leaders...doesnt prevent them from catching monsters...agreed on crystal clear invisible

[@GarryMurray-i1y]

You want abrasion resistance and strength. PLine copolymer, not flouro. Period

[@tonyperez3666]

Another BS video about fluorocarbon line. I tried and tried to like fluoro and spent a lot of money trying different brands. I'm convinced fluoro is just a bunch of marketing hype! I use mono and am very happy with it. Watch the Salt Strong testing videos about mono vs fluoro. Fluoro is wirey, stiff, doesn't lay on the spool, has weak knot strength and is expensive. Big Game all day!

[@rodw7368]

Big game has as much memory as most floro

[@yakangler419]

Do you use braid to mono or straight mono? Is there a brand you would recommend? I’ve always been mono for top water only, but am willing to switch, if for anything, price.

[@andybales7318]

​@@rodw7368depends what size...12 & 15 big game have surprisingly low memory..

[@tommoorehouse]

Randy is incorrect on one point. Fluorocarbon line had MORE stretch than Mono. Source: I own my own professional tensile test machine. I'd be happy to share test data with people. Generally speaking expensive lines are a smaller diameter, BUT they are also not as strong. Cheap 14lb line is usually stronger than expensive 14lb line. I have LOT's of test data to backup what I'm saying.

[@yakangler419]

Do you use a specific brand?

[@rodw7368]

That’s because cheap line says 10lb and is 15 size lol

[@timdonnelly8392]

Never liked flouro carbon from the start,Just like those garbage carbon rods, Graphite only for me, Tried and proven best over and over again that's my opinion anyway!

[@anthonysnedden3319]

Mono or nothing