Every Difference Between IRON MAN Comics & Movies Explained

[@LoweQualityTom]

What’s your favourite movie featuring Iron Man?

[@Dogwithsunglasses332]

Iron man 2

[@HereJune]

Infinity War

[@Boxcellent05]

@@Dogwithsunglasses332 iron man 3 imo was the best

[@TitanBolt99]

​@@Boxcellent05 No, you're both wrong. Ironman 1 is better. 2 and 3 are terrible. Both of you have terrible options and tastes in movies.

[@Swagmario64]

Ironman 2

[@inklingboi08]

Edwin Jarvis was a real person in the MCU. He was alive at least through Tony's childhood, and he was seen in Agent Carter and Endgame.

[@unseenasian132]

I was hella confused when he said he didnt exist In the mcu. Like bro do more research

[@Pururut]

I dont think this guy analyzed the movies at all. Tony never learned to stop being entirely selfish in iron man 1, but he did learned to use his abilities for good

[@michaelhisel1446]

Tony being adopted is a weird retcon that isn’t even brought back in most later comics. It’s not like they just changed it for the movies

[@Ham4ham8]

7:32 Loved the way you incorporated JARVIS AI's full form in the sentence.

[@thehwguy4293]

@ 0:03 he just straight up looks like RDJ from that side profile.

[@Boxcellent05]

lol

[@ArcTrooper269]

Not really, but keep allucinating

[@biofluidity2318]

​@@ArcTrooper269you're everywhere

[@antona.8659]

No, he doesn't. Not as if Don Heck's art style had any complexity to it to make it comparable to real-life people. RDJ's first appearance as Stark was based on the 90s run by Kurt Busiek.

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

Wow. I didn't know that Iron Man was this different from comic books in the movies. But at least they made him a lot better in movies. I never get tired of re-watching all of the original MCU movies, including Iron Man movies because they are great.

[@nctpti2073]

One other difference is that his armor is almost always much more durable in the comics. Just the durability differences within the MCU between the solo movies and the Avengers is striking, with the armor being a lot closer to the comics in the latter. Stane is much more effective in the comics, having weaponized Tony's alcoholism against him. Whiplash's whips are MUCH more powerful. Justin Hammer is also an actual mastermind in the comics rather than being merely a pawn of whiplash.

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

@@nctpti2073 That's interesting.

[@Bungycb]

People always say they made him better in the movies but never explain how lol

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

@@Bungycb Well, I guess via personality. The vibe of the live action version of him is very appealing and fun to watch. And then the suit, in comparison to comic book version, feels, or at least felt back then, as something fresh and new. Also the CGI of the suit was amazing back then. It felt like it was a real thing because they put some effort in to making that suit. And yeah, I personally liked the action scenes involving Iron Man in live action movies. For me personally it was fun to watch him craft something, make new suit or use some stuff that you didn't saw in previous scenes, which was a surprise. So yeah, maybe that's why live action version is better, but everyone has their own tastes so I don't know. If you don't like it then you don't have to like it. I personally like the live action version of Iron Man and that's all what matters to me personally.

[@nctpti2073]

@@Bungycb Given in the comics, it was Hank Pym who created Ultron, not Tony Stark, I also am curious how they think he is better in the movies. Although to be fair, no Armor Wars....

[@ArcTrooper269]

I honestly like much more that Iron Man gave up his secret identity to save a puppy in danger than simply due to his arrogance & ego It really shows you how much Tony has grown as a hero ❤💛

[@Pakilla64]

Similar to comic Howard Stark's treatment of his son, RDJ's dad gave him drugs when he was 5.

[@WorthyGibbon]

That’s wild💀

[@edwinstovall3334]

It's been many years since I last read the story arc where Iron Man faced off against Stane's Iron Monger suit, but I recall it as being moderately larger than the Mark 2 suit. Maybe half the size of the later Hulkbuster model. I had fancied the movie Iron Monger as being somewhat inspired by the old comic book villain Titanium Man, but maybe the inspiration was at least in part Gargantus, who I didn't know about until watching this video! I was still a young child when Shellhead (Remember that?) wore all gold and I never saw this early stuff in reprints. Thanks for this new (to me) information!👍

[@TooRudeProductions]

As somebody who is currently on his fourth month in alcoholics anonymous, I'm sad that we never got to see Tony get a sponsor and work the 12 steps because unlike how it's represented in media, it's actually a pretty chill place with a lot of young people and a lot of hopeful people

[@MichaelKurse]

They have some stories where he attends AA meetings in the comics.

[@glennparker7028]

7:40 That's what Friday??? I didn't know what to expect!!!

[@markmagician2471]

Actually hes faced Dynamo which was Whiplash in the movie they combined both characters

[@antona.8659]

Do you know why Crimson Dynamo is called Crimson Dynamo? Hint: it's because his armor is red. Anyway, they botched both characters by combining them and in the end didn't manage to make a compelling one. They didn't need Crimson Dynamo. They should've adapted Whiplash properly. In the comics he's a failed American businessman that turned to the life of crime and has a family he tries to take care of.

[@ashifarman4813]

​@@antona.8659i like the whiplash version in iron man armored adventure much more dark and sadistic

[@AmazingZane1]

Recently, I've been reading a compilation of the first Avengers comics, and it surprised me how inconsistently written Iron Man was compared to the MCU. The only times he seemed as strong as in the films was when he was turned against the Avengers for whatever reason.

[@TitanBolt99]

Ironman in the comics is WAY MORE powerful than MCU Ironman. It's not even close.

[@elozvyut]

Because noone would ever seen comics going full-scale hollywood blockbusters. It was more a like occasional hobby for Stan Lee and his followers, I suppose

[@jeffreyjohnson7359]

​@@TitanBolt99 Not in the early comics.

[@Bungycb]

@@jeffreyjohnson7359what comics have you read?

[@jeffreyjohnson7359]

@Bungycb I was a big comics fan from 5 years old (1968) until about 12 or 13.

[@bungler3000]

The Mark 5 isnt actually based off of the Silver Centurion, that would be Mark 33, its actually a nid to how Tony kept his suits in a suit-case in the comics.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

Technically both reference silver centurion.

[@jeffersonsam5316]

The coolest armor in comics and movies

[@inklingboi08]

The Mark 5 was the first to be based on the silver centurion design wise.

[@Star_Jewel_Realm]

Mind you, Tony Stark was a complicated character with strong history. MCU did an excellent job transforming Iron Man from comics to the big screen.😆😆

[@StopMotionStuds]

No, Edwin Jarvis is a real person in the movies, shown in endgame

[@matthewmartin1852]

And the same actor from "Agent Carter:

[@roncriswell2685]

Came here to say that but you beat me to it...... In a completely different event when I typed "beat" the next suggest word was "bear" LOL if you know you know😂😂😂😂

[@willpower8061]

They tried to retcon Tony's origin, which is B.S. He's Anthony Starks son. Period. Otherwise how would he have Starks genius?

[@rawcabbagesavage5046]

1:57 yk given its a joke and all but for a box of scraps how many ppl got like missiles and explosives and stuff thats like the craziest box of scraps ever unless thats the norm nowadays

[@elozvyut]

The real marvel (hah, no pun intended) here that keeps people amazed is that he created something as sophisticated as an arc reactor from something relatively rough and primitive as missile. And did it in a literal cave

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

Well, there was once a guy that tried to criticize Tony in the comics that would have followed the shallow "take the suit off" mentality, only to get a reality check by another superhero telling that person that you could drop Tony butt naked in the middoe of a desert amd he would somehow escape with a suit made off sand and powered by cactus

[@909Dominus_]

​@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686this is actually such tuff dialogue. any idea of the series and issue ?

[@Rexer083]

​@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686that's one of the reasons I didn't like Iron Man 3. Him learning how to be useful without the suit was just weird since him escaping the cave proved that he already does.

[@TooRudeProductions]

What y'all gotta remember about Afghanistan, is that America was in a full swing war with the Middle East and him blowing up that tank was supposed to be a "hell yeah America" moment. Not that I agree or disagree with that sentiment, but I'm just informing you.

[@antona.8659]

In terms of personality, CB Stark is a mix between Don Draper and James Bond. He's got dry wit, but he takes his work very seriously, be it superheroics or running his company. He never berates people with sarcasm unless they're someone he doesn't respect, nor he acts like a class clown when he's in the room. He also is against killing, unlike in the MCU. CB Stark have killed, but never by pure intent, and if he did, he had to face serious consequences for doing so. The MCU ignored his struggles with alcoholism, which made him less interesting and relatable. Pepper wasn't his primary love interest, as she later married Happy Hogan. Stark's main love interests were Bethany Cabe and Rumiko Fujikawa. Bethany because she helped to get him through his alcoholism, and Rumiko because Stark wanted to start a family with her until she wasn't killed because of him. The movies omitted many of the supporting characters, like Mrs. Arbogast. They also did his villains dirty. The Mandarin was his arch nemesis and was the one who was responsible for why Stark became Iron Man. Justin Hammer in the comics was an old British weapon's dealer and a total sociopath who framed Stark for a murderer of an innocent man to ruin his life, which is where Stark's struggles with alcoholism began. Whiplash was a failed American businessman who turned into a supervillain to take care of his wife and kid. And Stark's relationships with his parents were far more complicated. Howard was a drunk who once put a glass of scotch in Tony's hand back when he was a kid and forced him to drink it. He would abuse him and Mariah (verbally) and often refer to him as a sissy boy because he wasn't manly enough in his eyes. Tony felt very distant with his parents. In the MCU it was toned down to just a generic ''dad didn't have enough time for me'' trope. His parents died because of a rival company, Roxxon, that tried to get rid of competition, not Winter Soldier, who didn't even exist in the comics back then. So on and so on.

[@landonchambers8719]

W essay

[@soberchimera61]

Obadiah Stane is also closer in age to Tony in the comics and much smarter.

[@kanukki84]

The Mandarin had nothing to do with Tony Stark becoming Iron Man in the comics. The Mandarin first appeared only in 1964. Wong-Chu was responsible for Stark becoming Iron Man.

[@quinnbalfour2139]

Good quality video! keep up the good work!

[@LoweQualityTom]

Thanks! ☺️

[@ChrisLawton66]

A rarely mentioned point in the comics is that Tony was in charge of "the special weaponry section of SHIELD" as Tony put it, and greeted Nick Fury when he was recruited in Strange Tales #135.

[@wetslop6195]

Could you please do a daredevil version, I think now it's perfect to do since Daredevil Born Again is trending due to the leaked trailer and Charlie Cox reprising his role as daredevil.

[@LoweQualityTom]

I will definitely get around to doing a Daredevil version of this 😊

[@wayneigoe6722]

You should've mentioned Fear Itself. He sacrificed his soberiety to Odin exchange for Uru metal for him to use to make a suit to deal with the "Worthy" beings.

[@Masonicon]

Sometimes Ironman in comics got Superpowers outside his suit

[@Teatime7771]

Whiplash has some Crimson Dynamo in him. That is why we never saw him in live action.

[@Xenaboy-vt3hi]

Some of the things from the comics really were not part of Stark's origin but happened many years later. For instance, what happened to him in Vietnam reinforced his dedication to manufacturing weapons to defeat "the Red Menace". When the political wind shifted in the 1970s, he stopped making weapons. Obadiah Stane was not part of his origin but came along around 1980, I think. It was Pepper Potts and Happy Hogan who married each other. Stark didn't start acting like a spoiled juvenile until maybe the 1990s. I think making him an alcoholic was also a retcon in the 1970s although it was believable. But some of these retcons are so recent that I didn't even know about them until I saw this video, like Howard and Maria Stark not being his biological parents. That's so far after the fact that I'm going, "Yeah. Okay. Whatever." 2012? Sorry. Too late. The statute of Limitations on uprooting and drastically changing his origin and background has expired. :) I love the movie Tony. In the comics, as time goes by, I think writers can't literally mess with the origins and early adventures of characters (other than pretending stuff that happened in 1963 happened in 2023) But they retcon a bunch of stuff into it, usually dark, basket case stuff. Bruce Banner's father murdered his mother and he saw it. Sorry for the wall of text. It's just that, for me, the comic characters now are just another alternate reality that I cannot take seriously as the characters from the original reality.

[@Xenaboy-vt3hi]

Just to make it clear, that's not saying anything negative about the quality of some of the far more recent stories. It's just that there is a total disconnect in terms of being able to buy into the idea that the current Tony Stark is really the same character, the same reality, as the guy from 1963. Every shift in the timeline should be acknowledged as yet another alternate reality just as the Ultimate Universe was an alternate reality.

[@sebastiandan5645]

I love your editing style my good sir

[@LoweQualityTom]

Thank you very much 😊

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

I wish we had seen the armor as "molecular chain mail" as it is in the 90s comics.

[@sergiom1136]

Great video.

[@LoweQualityTom]

Thanks! ☺️

[@TooRudeProductions]

Imagine adopting a kid and then abusing them, that's a special kind of monster

[@galactus9807]

9:17 you for got About the model 4 which is appears in iron man 2

[@sergiom1136]

I would love if the new Dr. Doom in the movies is a lost son of Howard Stark that was raised in Europe. That would adapt the Tony's brother story.

[@elozvyut]

Europe, that which is neighboring to Saturn? In Europe where?? You know it ain't country, right?

[@CCFONESOL]

We need Arno Stark in the MCU

[@Kalurza]

i wouldn't agree that mark 5 was iron centurion, im pretty sure they changed iron centurion into way later model or didnt add it at all

[@somegenericguy2909]

It was used as the Mark 33 in Iron Man 3

[@kaistemino]

tf

[@robbie_the_mastermind2176]

So Tony from the comics wants Would peace at the expense of others, reviling Peter Parker’s identity because of the registration act ‘no superhero vigilante act’.

[@DanialDEcool]

He didn’t reveal it, Peter made the decision because he trusted stark

[@robbie_the_mastermind2176]

@@DanialDEcool to be fair I didn’t read the civil war comic.

[@ZODEdits18]

@@robbie_the_mastermind2176thats Peters fault, he Made his decission, Not Tony.

[@Bungycb]

@@robbie_the_mastermind2176yeah most iron man haters don’t read comics that’s not surprising lol

[@Bungycb]

Peter is a grown man. He made his own decision

[@matthewtubematthew321]

great vid

[@LoweQualityTom]

Thanks ☺️

[@fivefiveniner1537]

In the 80's I read somewhere that Stark was ethnic Hispanic or even African American at the very beginning early comics but that changed later as his story grew 💯 🙋🤷

[@RyeFerros]

Jarvis was both in the movies I'm pretty sure, he died in the movies

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

He was only a person in the Agent Cartee series. Prior to the existence of that show, there was never a hint indicating his existence. The idea of J.A.R.V.I.S being based of the actual Jarvis was something that was introduced as a fun fact after the series of Agent Carter existed

[@xandervampire195]

I don't know why they didn't do the whole alcoholism character arc in the MCU. Robert Downey Jr. would have been fantastic at portraying that, given his own history of substance abuse. It would have been great.

[@lax9586]

This is random but I love how most aussie youtubers refer to dollars as dollary doos.

[@LoweQualityTom]

Our official currency 🤑

[@chrisszostek6700]

The comic stark at first reminded me of Walt Disney

[@rdnowlin1206]

That's the great thing about Marvel (comics), sometimes the characters and stories are a reflection of real life. DC is not so great.

[@rambasavaraju6584]

the very last fact in the video is wrong, Bruce was the first person to weild the gauntlet with every stone.

[@LoweQualityTom]

In the comics it was Tony

[@rn6312]

@@LoweQualityTom First hero to do it was Adam Warlock.

[@LoweQualityTom]

Adam Warlock is not a person of earth

[@gaelvelez6076]

RDJ Made iron man famous

[@silverloveguns]

iron man was already known before the movie

[@Bungycb]

You’re not very bright are you

[@Bungycb]

He was already relevant before rdj

[@Bungycb]

Iron man is better written and more complex than your favorite superhero

[@BootlegGremlin]

Ok i don't get it. So is the arc reactor there to keep the shrapnel from digging deeper into his chest or is it just a replacement heart cause idk anymore

[@pian-0g445]

The first one. Hence why you in 3 you see the operation on removing the shrapnels. He could have gotten done at any time, but before, he felt it was a part of him (like the suit was).

[@elozvyut]

​@@pian-0g445no, Tony could surgically remove reactor from his chest only after he got hands on that regrowing super duper serum he appropriated from self made indestructible group of people he defeated in 3d movie. This serum gave him ability almost instantly regrowing part of rib cage and missing parts of organs, which where removed to fit big ass metal container for reactor in his chest. Do you really think anyone in their right might would leave shrapnel inside the body, after removing the only thing that neutralizes this shrapnel, for some sentimental reason (which noone but you could even think of)?

[@petermj1098]

⁠@@elozvyut​​⁠​⁠It is bad writing of taking away Tony’s damaged heart problem. Tony not having a damaged heart is like Professor X not being crippled or Daredevil not being blind. Him having a damaged heart makes him more vulnerable and restraining as a character. Tony’s damaged heart is the reason he pushed himself to make the Iron Man suit in the first place.

[@XHero220]

The MCU Iron Man should have kept his secret identity. When they got rid of Iron Man secrets identity in the comics that when the character basically when downhill.

[@Bungycb]

Yeah you don’t read comics

[@Pakilla64]

Yinsen's nationality was also changed to Afghan

[@Swagmario64]

WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS 1:56

[@Comic_NerdX]

Hulk was the first to wear infinity gauntlet in MCU

[@CharlotteGamesMC]

Actually that was the power gauntlet The only infinity gauntlet wearer was Thanos

[@jimblyjooberson]

he wasn’t

[@SuperRamtin]

What 😭

[@killo-lima9940]

He was trust us

[@Comic_NerdX]

​@@CharlotteGamesMC sorry, first person of Earth. I was correcting what he said in his video. He stated Iron man was the first tow wear it hut it was Hulk.

[@Game-42]

WOAH 1:56

[@jericencarnacion5720]

No more secret identities

[@MichaelKurse]

Because Tony Stark is a Cool Exect.🎹🎶🎺🎺☠️🎹🎵🎼

[@fortniteshenanigansguy2011]

Bruh all the villians u mentioned in the iron man villians part were there in iron man armored adventures, the best iron man tv show ever.but not in the mcu for some reason lol

[@icywill2cold4u]

anthony edward stark? sounds like he should play in the nba.

[@chrisrichardson8988]

I loved it 3k.

[@skygodofallurya]

The difference is, Iron Man in the comics is a boring asshole that no one really likes. RDJ made him amazing. Props to the man.

[@NinjaWiener]

Truly spoken like someone who never picked up an Iron Man comic! Bravo!

[@neil6349]

@@NinjaWienerhe is right tho

[@ZODEdits18]

@@neil6349hes not 100% right, all people think That Iron Man is a villain un cómics because of civil war, in which he Was an asshole at some times but not always. And then he has changed so not right at all

[@Bungycb]

Yeah you were dropped as a baby

[@Bungycb]

@@neil6349if you think he’s right then you’re not very intelligent

[@Lizlife1838]

wasn't iron man originally a robot from space and not a man in a suit

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

No

[@DanialDEcool]

That’s _The_ iron man. This is Iron Man

[@TheRealMaxdestroyer]

3:48 🤣🤣🤣

[@joseirimia]

Tony had a son in the comics during the 2nd alcoholic crisis ehile homeless.

[@galactus9807]

0:39 vinim what vinim

[@LegoBills123]

Cómics: jackass MCU: cool uncle No need for a 14 minute video

[@Bungycb]

Looks like someone doesn’t read comics

[@Bungycb]

You’re not very intelligent are you

[@Bungycb]

Yeah you should stick to anime lol iron man comics are too complex for a child like you

[@jamesmeek3442]

5:37 Yo i live there! I know its a stupid thing to comment, but bulgaria is pretty underrated

[@mterry4428]

The most annoying change and this is because of vanity on the actors part Iron Man never had his face shield up in comics ridiculous

[@whitehg6270]

most famous B class hero

[@Bungycb]

Oh, 'B-class hero? That’s rich. Tony Stark has more layers than your favorite superhero’s entire franchise. He's a flawed genius battling addiction, guilt, and his own ego, all while building tech that redefines humanity. Meanwhile, your fave is probably still stuck crying over their origin story. Complex writing isn’t for everyone, I guess.

[@whitehg6270]

@@Bungycb Never let this man cook again.

[@whitehg6270]

I grew up watching power ranger so I'm guessing you're right.

[@Darkavenger-zg2pn]

In a cave … with a box of scraps

[@JF-uf5jg]

Original comics good after the 80s to now , it’s a grifters game mostly. All movies I can’t tell the difference between Batman and Ironman and then Spider-Man. You get what you get when you hire people that want to put their tart marks so they can put their name on it. The multiverse is a schitte attempt to throw crap at the wall , hide the holes in the plot and just fill the screen with nonsense. Could you image if they took the original comics and did it almost book by book. It would be the greatest marvel/dc movie. Think.

[@hanshawks5088]

There both drunks 🥃🍺😂😂😂

[@antona.8659]

MCU Iron Man doesn't have alcohol addiction. He was drunk only one time in the entire MCU and it was played for laughs.

[@TitanBolt99]

​@@antona.8659 But, comics Ironman does have an alcohol addiction. MCU Ironman ruined that aspect of Ironman.

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

​@@TitanBolt99no, he had alcohol asiction. He's a recovery alcoholic that hates drinking so much that not only does he only drink water at parties, but him drinking alcohol was enough to count as a sacrifice to Odin during the war against Dark Asgard and that when the incursions were happening and the Illuminati were willing to let it happen, Tony poured s bunch of deinks in front of him to not deink them, just so that he could at least have a final win against it

[@Bungycb]

Yeah you’re not very intelligent

[@just_an_elli]

It smells 😢

[@Bungycb]

Amy is a bad character

[@just_an_elli]

I'd agree with you if Sonic X didn't exist. But in the games? Yeah, I agree Would you prefer Silver?

[@elliotsmith9812]

Dead Pool

[@RainyDayDance]

wait so iron mans origin story has been war propaganda since its inception??

[@TheeKingRayzor]

In the comics, he was supposed to be against war.

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

No, he was at most propaganda against comunism seeing the amount of rusians he was punching back then

[@antona.8659]

@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 based Iron Man. If Stark was real, he'd send all of his weapons to Ukraine right now. Maybe even give them the Iron Legion and train UA soldiers on how to operate them.

[@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686]

@@antona.8659 don't involve your bullshit politics into this conversation. No he wouldn't because the guy decided to stop making weapons for a reason and even during the mist of the cold war, he stopped supplying weapons to even the government to the point that Armor Wars had him going after SHIELD because they were using Stark Technology in their weapons. If Iron Man were real, he would tell the government to fuck off in spending so much money on the war while ignoring basic needs in the country while also trying to get the conflict to stop just because fuck war. Civil War was literally Iron Man not trusting the government because he knew what their plans were if he didn't comply with the Registration Act and even in the middle of the Cold War, Tony still made friends with communist and socialist to the point that one of the Crimson Dynamo became buddies with him

[@antona.8659]

​@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 my politics aren't bullshіt, you silly redpilled schmuck. Yes, IRON MAN WOULD, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, BE ON UKRAINE'S SIDE, as he's always been ''don't hurt the little guy'' type of man. He stopped weapon manufacturing business because he was profiting from Vietnam War, a war in which the US were the invaders. Ukraine did not invade; it was invaded, by a bigger country, led by a full-on dictator with delusional ambitions and evil intents. He had intervened in conflicts even with his pacifist views. Like during the story when he helped bunch of monks to overthrow Wong-Chu's dictatorship by supplying them with his armor variants. Or when he met Ayisha, where in the story the aggressor was obviously post-soviet Russia. So yeah, Iron Man would help the little guy. If Iron Man were real, he'd not use the incorrect term ''spending money'' on the war when anyone with minimal knowledge on the subject knows that the US sends old retired weapons that were up for disposal, not actual money. He'd also know, since he was briefly the Secretary of Defense, that the US is obliged to help Ukraine after what happened in 1994 during the signing of the Budapest Memorandum. He'd also know that by saying ''fuсk wars'' without acknowledging who is the aggressor, you're being a coward who tries to stay neutral and can't call out the true evil. Tony never made friends with commies. He befriended Vanko after he renounced communism and decided to stay in American. So yeah, If Iron Man were real, he'd have UA flag in his Twitter bio and would meet up with Zelensky every few months.

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

Second.

[@LoweQualityTom]

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