Every Guild Wars 2 player NEEDS one of these! [ MMO Mouse Demo & Comparison ]

[@Rebelgaist]

I'd like to see more tech reviews from you. Felt like a was watching a big tech review channel. Would be cool to see your channel grow big in future

[@avoxtr]

That's quite a compliment! Thank you very much 😁

[@greendaybmt]

This is so freaking helpful. I love that you tried other mouses (mice?) and kind of reviewed them. Also, talking about the kind of difficulty with adjusting to a bigger mouse is SO important. Took me like 3 days to adjust! Love your videos!

[@avoxtr]

Thanks Elaina, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😁😁

[@parkinsontatak]

It's great to see people loving the 12 button mouses. Before you buy the Steelseries Aerox 9, keep in mind that the ergonomics of this mouse is made for octopus fingers. If you have a small hand, to reach the side panel 1 2 3 buttons, you have to move your hand, which is a pain after some time. Razer Naga is smaller and has a pinky rest. Just fyi.

[@marcschmidt320]

For some reason, I can't get my thumb to rest properly on the side buttons of my Naga. I feel as if the mouse is a bit too small for my liking, so my thumb ends up going waaaay back behind the 10-11-12 row. I use a relaxed claw grip. I'm wondering if I'll have the same issue with Aerox 9, or if the shape will help support my hand better, so my thumb can get in a better position

[@parkinsontatak]

@@marcschmidt320 Hello 10-11-12 layer will never be close to your thumb finger tip. I use the joint part of my finger for those buttons. I have 2 Naga and an Aerox 9 (broken) My hands are not big, so I cannot reach Aerox's 1-2-3 buttons. Naga is the perfect fit for me. Since you have a bigger hand, I think you will be happier with Aerox 9. It's 12 button placement is larger.

[@Northwind82]

I played guild wars2 for years with a Razer Naga hex six buttons on the side. Bound support skills to qert and the F skills 12345, then used the 6 buttons on the mouse for weapon skills and healing. I also have a mouse with four buttons on the side in a circle around the thumb for playing helldivers 2. I can punch in my stratagem codes on the side of the mouse without having to move any of my hands off the keyboard. I also just ordered a mouse with eight buttons on the side for playing the rift breaker. I have all my support skills, balance and buttons on the side of the mouse again so I never have to shift my hand off wasd keys

[@B3RING3R]

The G600 is amazing, but probably has the steepest learning curve to use all the shift key combinations correctly. With practice, I can do everything from hotkeying the interface to mounting specific mounts without clicking any on screen buttons or moving either hand. Also, I got it to sometimes play with an infant in one arm and I can do all but the hardest content with one hand now.

[@avoxtr]

I like to think of this as having a low skill floor, high skill ceiling. You CAN use it as a regular 12 button mouse, but you can do more with it if you learn to use that extra button!

[@AwolGG]

Sadly the G600 was discontinued years ago which is why it is constantly on sale and no longer seen in stores. I loved the third mouse click for tab targeting.

[@avoxtr]

I saw! Sad to see it go. I hope they bring out a new version soon

[@RossiaIsNoMore]

What do you mean "third mouse click for tab targeting"?

[@AwolGG]

@@RossiaIsNoMore The G600 had a third click where your ring finger would rest. instead of only two where you rest your index and middle finger. I would map that key to my "target next" for games like wow, allowing me to cycle through targets quicker. The default is normally tab in MMOs, hence the common nickname for it.

[@RossiaIsNoMore]

@@AwolGG i see, you mean G-shift key. I play shooters and can't use it because ~1 sec delay (mouse ignores everything) after I press G-shift.

[@AwolGG]

@@RossiaIsNoMore you can rebind it to just act as a normal key. not gshift. that is how I had it bound and never had any sort of delay. Nowadays I use the Corsair Sabre because it has the adjustable MMO pad to change positions.

[@VarjoPira]

Currently using Corsair's Darkstar with revamped iCue, myself. Coming from G502, it's not quite as ergonomic, but feels and plays excellent. That said, anything with hypershift functionality is good for Guild Wars 2, imo, even if it's not an MMO-mouse.

[@R4b1d_turtles]

Clean and concise! Thank you very much! Coincidentally, I just started playing GW2 a couple months ago, and it's why I'm in the market for a mouse with a thumb number pad!

[@mat99rich]

I hate that logitech discontinued the g600 I have had one for almost 10 years and it is finally on it's last leg, the scroll wheel sometimes doesn't register and I am starting to get some clicking issues where either it will not hold a click or double click. But throughout its lifespan it has been such a great mouse for $60 it was well worth the price. I hope now that MMOs have seen an uptick in popularity maybe they will put out a new one.

[@Northwind82]

My favorite kinds of mouses are the ones that have six and eight buttons centered around the thumb. So that way if you need to reposition or grip your mouse, you can do so on the thumb pad without accidentally pushing buttons

[@romzombie]

I use a Logitech G602 which just has six buttons on the side, but I remap the right half of my skill bar to ZXC for Utility and V for Elite. Healing for me is a middle mouse click (which is great in frantic combat) and I use my side mouse buttons for F1-5, which are the only really awkward ones at that point. I've tried the 12-button ones before, but the keys I need always get lost in the mass of buttons when things get panicked.

[@avoxtr]

That's sounds like a good setup! There can definitely be a learning curve to teaching your left thumb to control a numpad, especially if it's flat and featureless!

[@fabianschocke6535]

Went from a 12-side-button mouse (corsair scimitar pro, expensive piece of glued garbage) to the Logitech G604. Fewer side buttons, but great handshape and overall feel. Overhauled my keybindings in GW2 to make use of shift-modified presses a lot more, which took some getting used to, but it's all outweighed just by how nice the G604 feels in my hand. Hint: When looking for a mouse with "more buttons", always factor in buttons that are "reserved" for hardware functions like profile- or dpi-switching because those can usually be rebind in the software and buttons that offer huge utility but are seldom mentioned like side-scroll on the mouse wheel. :)

[@AzaraelIsrael]

I also had many issues with the Corsair software. Having to unplug and replay the mouse for the software to recognize the mouse for profile switching between games. The profiles sometimes swapped on their own. Among other tedious issues. It was still a decent mouse to use though. Hardware was great software was a nightmare.

[@Kit-G]

I still use the Steelseries Rival 500, tried using a 12 side button mouse, but I just can't get used to them. Maybe it's time to try again.

[@Northwind82]

Great Video man!

[@the1only1witness]

For what it's worth, most "normal" mice have a page up and page down built into their scroll wheel, and prior to getting something like this, it's an amazing help in GW2 to rebind your heal skill and weapon swap to those respective buttons (or if you main a single class, your 2 most frequently used abilities). I'm still one of those people that got use to using [shift + a key] combinations for most of the abilities, but utilizing the scroll wheel early on just to cover 2 button presses was a godsend when I was newer to the game.

[@dubyajay7860]

Going back to pmay DAOC after not playing an mmo for years. This video is exactly what i was looking for, gonna try the Redragon. Ty so much for this bro.

[@avoxtr]

I played a little DAOC back in the day, it was fun!

[@dubyajay7860]

@avoxtr yeah, the rvr keeps calling me back. Played some GW2 as well, but didn't know anyone, so always comparing it in my head to daoc. Anyway, just bought the redragon on Amazon. Your vid was perfect man. Cheers.

[@PeaSoupHobo]

Action camera and a mice with buttons changed the enjoyment immensely for me. I have the Naga pro, but I've also gone through three of them. I've had a couple times a year where I have to outright uninstall all the razor software and reinstall it for it to start working again to detect wirelessly, and I have to use the USB dongle because I've had instances with performance issues on the Bluetooth through two separate machines and multiple mice. I still think it's the best wireless multi buttoned mouse that I've used so far playing guild wars 2, and when it is working it works pretty seamlessly.

[@avoxtr]

I hope they come out with an updated version, there were some rumors on Reddit that they're due for one. And I'd hope it would bring improved quality too. But I agree, action cam + MMO mouse is the bee's knees!

[@johndurrett3573]

Bought the Naga Pro...and looking for how people use the side buttons to perform quick mount changes. So far still looking

[@avoxtr]

I have my "12" Key bound to the Mount hotkey in Blishhud, so it pops a radial mount you can just drag over!

[@Northwind82]

That EVGA mouse was my favorite! The only problem with that mouse is it has some QC issues and it breaks easy expect to get only about a year out of it

[@MrTomfoolary]

the best mmo mouse I had was a Mad Catz M.M.O.7, although it looked funny the buttons for your thumb could be moved to the optimal place, the weight could be adjusted and every button was programable. Unfortunately some of the buttons stopped working, their support was non-existent and it is no longer made. I now use a aorus thunder m7

[@avoxtr]

I didn't even know AORUS made mice! And Mad Catz always had ridiculous designs, I kind of miss them

[@Psoewish]

Since you've tried both, I have a question. Years ago I bought a Razer Naga, but I found it way too heavy, and the keypad seemed a touch too far back for my liking, making it quite difficult to press the back(?) column. how does the Steelseries offering compare to it in these regards specifically? Obviously it's lighter which is a great start, and you do mention the keypad is a little more forward, but is it enough of an offset to be a noticeable difference, or would I be better off just saving my money and rethinking my keyboard setup instead. For reference, I'm very used to very light mice (currently using the g pro superlight), so it's always going to be a challenge adjusting to a heavier mouse, but man I am not finding much joy in trying to play weaver with my keyboard 😅

[@avoxtr]

There's definitely an adjustment factor to the placement of the buttons on the AeroX 9, and the buttons aren't the most tactile so I feel like I'm *slightly* slower with it. But it has remained my go-to for use with my laptop and I still enjoy it. These days, this has been my go-to for my desktop which is my main GW2 rig: www.amazon.com/UtechSmart-transmission-technology-Ergonomic-programmable/dp/B07XP4K152 It is way better than it has any business being. Not as light as the Steelseries and the battery doesn't last as long, but it's lighter than the Razer, the shape is MUCH easier to grip, and the side buttons are clicky enough to be fast and have some decent tactile feedback.

[@Psoewish]

@@avoxtr I’ll have a look at this other one and see how they stack up (and if I can even get it in Belgium, since I’ve never heard of that brand haha). Hopefully it’ll suit my needs :) Thank you for the response, that really helps a lot!

[@SebastienDelavallee]

hello everyone, I just bought the razer naga x, superb mouse. unfortunately the side buttons are not supported on the playstation 5... Is the aerox 9 fully compatible on the playstation 5, in particular on call of duty modern warfare 2. Thank you for your answers.

[@avoxtr]

I honestly hadn't considered if any of these would be compatible with a console. The numpads output like keyboards, so I think this would come down to the individual game supporting keyboard mapping!

[@Mizumelon]

I'm a big gadget nerd too. Other than the red dragons, I've used all of the mice shown in this video along with a few more "not 12 buttons" mice used for guild wars 2. My goal is slightly different, I'm searching for a mouse to use for everything; productivity, net browsing, gaming (both mmo and fps). However, I also play gw2 with 1-5 still on 1-5 on the keyboard. So I technically need less buttons overall. My hands are medium/small, I'm also weak. Here's my opinion on them when I used them without any hardware issues: Aerox 9, love the weight (below 90g) and simple shape, it is large, but I'm okay with it. The main issue I had was the 12 buttons felt mushy. I could not press 123 in quick succession like I could with naga/scimitar. I generally felt slower with the aerox 9 when it comes to playing guild wars 2. But due to the shape and weight, I was able to use the aerox 9 with "anything". Played satisfactorily with fps games as well. One minor thing to note, I often find my fingers on the holes of the left click/right click. It doesn't change my gaming performance, just something I found fiddling with. The overall best-to-do-everything mouse I've had (returned due to mouse wheel bounce back after a year). It's not perfect, but may buy it again in the future. Naga (owned 3 altogether, still have X), I agree with Avoxtr, the naga is difficult to lift. Even with grip tapes it's still kind of annoying to play with. I believe this is heavily dependant on people's mouse handling style as there are mixed opinions of it on reddit. But in my case, even though the naga x is "light" at around 85g, it is annoying to lift. I will either in the spur of the moment lift it whilst accidentally pressing thumb buttons, or that I slip. My hands were constantly "carefully tense" with lifting the mouse, causing some hand strains in a long run. I have also noticed that my fps performance is lower with this mouse. The best reason why I think I can't is because I can't clench the mouse. When I had the switchable side panels, I ended up using the 2 and 6 button panels more because I was better able to lift the mouse. Scimitar (owned 2 wireds), my favourite mouse for specifically guild wars 2. Whilst I agree that the thumb buttons feel "not as premium", it is fast to press. I can roll 123 comfortably. The shape of the mouse is overall above average for me, I have the thumb panel pushed forward as far as possible, and my thumb sits comfy on number 5. Software is poop, it's the only software that I save old profiles onto my cloud storage so that I can load it again if I need it. The main issue I have is the weight. Avoxtr said this mouse is light, but not light enough for me to play to my best with fps games. Keep in mind, different versions of this mouse have different weight values (I think I owned the heavier ones that's around 120g). Great for comfort, productivity, non fps gaming. I only wish it was 20-30g lighter (right click failed after 2-3 years daily usage for first mouse). G600, I used this over 10 years ago. It was my daily driver for many years. It was the first mouse where I felt like my fps performance dropped significantly and I didn't understand why. I only found out years later after switching to a light mouse. I honestly think this mouse is great value for money for a decent 12 thumb button mouse. Similar opinion as Scimitar. Sadly, the best alternative I've found so far is going for g502 x plus. It's around 105g, has 8 total programmable buttons excluding left/right/wheel buttons. Can do almost anything with it, gw2, fps, productivity; but it's no 12 thumb button mouse. Main reason why this fits fps for me is because I can clench it hard. One of the best feeling mouse handling I've had that is multi buttoned. It is still borderline "heavy" for me. My hope for a light, comfy, fast clicky 12 thumb button mouse continues :

[@Ultraelectromagnetic]

I've been using the Steelseries Rival 5 for GW2 for years now. It has exactly enough side buttons for healing, utility, and elite skills, so it's perfect if you prefer to keep using your weapon skills with the left/keyboard hand. Still need to remap or reach a bit for profession skills (f1-f5) but I've gotten used to it cuz I really like the ergonomics of the Rival 5's side button layout and I dont really like the mini-numpad layout on most MMO mice.

[@yetanotherrandomguy]

I just recent acquired the Redragon M913 and a left hand keyboard. So far am still trying to get used to the convenience of extra buttons on the mouse (I keep reaching for keys on the keyboard instead of the thumb buttons). Definitely glad I have half a keyboard instead of the laptop keyboard for game play, just need to get my right hand to kaywoperate.

[@Nephalem84]

Love the video! I used to own a Naga Molten which I enjoyed for mmo's but it was a bit too small to be really comfy for extended use. Nowadays I mostly miss the option to have the numpad AND the forward/back buttons on the side.

[@avoxtr]

I hadn't seen the Razer Molten. Had to look it up, but I don't hate the shape of it! Roccat also had a numpad MMO mouse a few years back that was discontinued. I guess they aren't that popular, so maybe we just need to shout louder about them!

[@garye4145]

I love my g600 and find that it's very comfortable to use. After thousands of hours in GW2 I have absolutely no complaints with it!

[@avoxtr]

The G600 is a great mouse. It's unfortunate they discontinued it recently!

[@Armadan7]

The Trinity is a nightmare of issues. I've been using it for 2 years and it almost always has issues with "placement" of the side panels. You have to get it into the perfect little perfect angle and if you grab it too hard it disconnects. I'm looking for a replacement now since it's giving me double clicking issues.

[@avoxtr]

I've actually never had this issue and I have two Trinities (don't ask lol). But I just let the side plates snap on and they're always super solid

[@Qstorm88]

Great review!

[@mikolajlipinski7087]

I only used the M908 and Scimitair pro. M908 with all the weights has that nice weight to it and ergonomics on it are really nice, it feels really good to hold it, but side buttons are small and angled. After few months you start getting unresponsiveness on those side keys. And it is getting messy after time, but you can expect that from the quality for that price. Then I spent a bit more and got scimitair pro. After 2 years its still super responsive, buttons are bigger and as you said easier to feel where your thumb is. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but for me side keys don't feel cheap, quite the contrary, since they're easier to press and have less resistance on them, your thumb doesn't get sore after hours of raiding where most of my rotation comes from the mouse keys. Software can be confusing at first, but it does allow you to store 3 profiles you set up on board and Corsair has guides on setting up software online, and in all honesty Redragon software is way worse. Razer I stay way from after having really bad experience with their keyboards so my bias is stopping me from trying it. But it's nice to see a video like that, keep it up :)

[@avoxtr]

I'm glad you've been liking the Scimitar! Despite my personal experience with it, I do think it has some good qualities and your reply definitely illustrates that. I think I'd be willing to give it another shot if they ever came out with a newer (wireless) version just because the ergonomics were so good.

[@mikolajlipinski7087]

@@avoxtr If you like steelseries, there is no need to try something you don't like. Everyone has different criteria for a mouse being good. But I wanted warn people that redragon mice don't last long.

[@avoxtr]

@@mikolajlipinski7087 The Steelseries is my favorite *so far* but there's still room for improvement. I won't rest until I find the perfect MMO mouse! 😂

[@xoawolf]

Thanks for makin this vid. Honestly I been lookin for a new mouse for a while now, but none seem to suit me just right. I currently run a Razer Mamba 2 button mouse, and while it feels almost perfect, 2 side buttons just isn't enough. That said, Having a whole keyboard on the side of the mouse to me is just overkill. If the Mamba had like 2 or 3 more buttons on the side, it would be the best for me. And I know there are a few other mice out there that sort of match those buttons, but they are usually butt ugly or uncomfy to hold. I'm probably gona just suck it up and roll with your best recommendation though and get the Steel Series. Maybe the Aerox 9 or 5. Again great vid, you're quickly becoming one of my top GW content creators to watch.

[@avoxtr]

Thanks, the compliment means a lot 😁 You might consider picking up a Naga Trinity, especially if you have larger hands. One of the side panels has 6 buttons in a circle, so you could try that without going for the full 12 key numpad. And you'd still have the option if you ever did decide to go 12 key!

[@xoawolf]

@@avoxtr Ya I thought bout that one too, but I'm pretty sure I have a minor version of OCD, as I hate that it isn't symmetrical (hence the ugly comment) lol. But that's just me bein weird like that. And no worries man, you def earned it.

[@avoxtr]

Don't worry, you're talking to the king of pickiness when it comes to electronics and peripherals!

[@matse7842]

Thanks for the video! Are you using the original numbers scheme on the mouse (1,2,3/4,5,6/7,8,9/10,11,12) or did you change this for somehow better adoption?

[@avoxtr]

I'm using mostly the original scheme, basically 1-0, then - and =. Basically mimicking the numrow on a keyboard.

[@matse7842]

@@avoxtr thanks again! :)

[@RossiaIsNoMore]

Redragon does not autoswitch ptofile on alt-tab, that's a huge disadvantage for me.

[@avoxtr]

Interesting, I didn't even know this was a thing!

[@sajanator3]

Can you do a video going over your keybinds in detail? There are several videos on gw2 keybinds, but not one with mmo mouse.

[@avoxtr]

Sure but honestly for me it's just 1-0, so I just set them up numerically!

[@Teklien]

I 100% agree with everything you said!! I still have my original Scimitar which I used for Aion, Guild Wars 1 & briefly for GW2. I did try the new wireless Scimitar but jeez that thing is a brick! Switched to the Aerox 9 for GW2 & now Helldivers 2 & I couldn’t be happier!!

[@Prec1gus]

Are there any issues with reaching the 1-3 keys on the Aerox 9? I have seen a lot of reviewers mentioning that it either takes a while to get used to them, or you have to physically bend your wrist every time you want to reach them

[@avoxtr]

Definitely takes some wrist adjustment!

[@hd9g]

Which of these mice have scroll wheel tilt?

[@iExisttt]

Awesome video! I just picked up a Aerox 9 for cheap and am wondering if you could share you're gw2 keybinds? Thanks!

[@avoxtr]

I'm simple, I just set my numpad on the mouse to 1 to = (basically 1-9, 0, -, =, so I'm using the entire 12 key number row). Then my skills are just numeric as well!

[@Snipermunki]

How does the game look on that monitor? I play on a 34" ultrawide and I've wondered if the edges of the screen get too stretched out on that super ultrawide. Up until about a week ago I was using the EVGA X15 and I really liked the feel of it and the button layout, but both the original and the replacement I got from EVGA developed problems with the scroll wheel. That was my biggest problem with searching for mice, virtually every MMO mouse I looked at had plenty of reviews talking about hardware problems (I don't even trust Logitech anymore, I've had about 4 mice get the Logitech left click issue). I also think the extra buttons have limited usefulness because I have big hands and long fingers and the side buttons always felt awkward to try and click either because of trying to stretch my thumb or because of the sideways pressure needed. Now I'm trying to get used to a Razer Basilisk V3. I still have to have dodge bound to one of the side buttons, but I got along with only two side buttons for a long time before, so I'll do it again. My real must have gadget is my Logitech G13 (sadly it's discontinued), I don't think I could play without it anymore. It has just enough keys for me to bind every command I need to it. If it ever dies I'll replace it with a Razer Tartarus. Appreciate you making videos on topics other KZbinrs don't cover as much, keep up the good work.

[@avoxtr]

Thanks for all the feedback! For the ultrawide, the game handles it very well. The view at your periphery is definitely skewed, but because of the curve of the monitor it still looks natural. But to be honest, I normally play it in a window in the center of the screen at roughly 21:9 (so still fairly wide). This leaves room for Discord, Telegram, and a web browser open on either side.

[@rainyday13]

Just bought the UtechSmart Venus and see it's almost identical to the Redragon M908. I just wanted enough buttons to use for my different mounts and this may be overkill. It's the first "gaming" mouse I've had so I have to spend some time learning how to set it up. I hope I can get used to it.

[@avoxtr]

I actually just bought one too, just for kicks. I was certain it was a rebranded M913 Impact Elite, and it definitely uses the same sensor, but the texture is nicer and the side buttons feel a little better. Not bad for that price!

[@larryamerson4150]

Although I bought the Corsair, it lives in a drawer and never gets used. I use the M908 and I also like the "fire" button on the index button for going into shroud or dropping shades for my necro.

[@avoxtr]

That M908 is a great mouse!

[@wullxz]

I've been using the Roccat Nyth since 2016. It has a 3 to 12 button layout on the side that you can change to your likings (3 rows with 1, 2, 3 or 4 buttons). The problem is, that Roccat doesn't produce those anymore and there's also no replacement model afaik. Because of that, I've already changed the switch for my left mouse button two times by soldering out the old one and putting in a new one (though, the first time I did this, I used a switch from an old ball-mouse from logitech which might not be the best idea ^^).

[@wullxz]

Also, the right side is detachable and can be replaced with a more narrow or wider option. It helps me continuing work or gaming when I notice a strain in my wrist because the attachments change my grip on the mouse a bit. I basically switch the attachment every few months.

[@avoxtr]

Shame they don't make them anymore. Replacing individual switches is right up my alley though, nice job!

[@BakedApple989]

Excellent video. I’ve used the G600 for year now I don’t even have to think about it. The way I have my key binds is everything default, but I have that third modifier click as all the need profession skills (F keys) and have my shift+number as all the mounts since there id quite the number now. Also the middle mouse button you can flick left or right for more keys. I have my flick right set to weapon swap and left to 180 my character. The other two buttons in the middle I have set to stow and auto run and they’ve en ever got in the way. Such a good mouse though I wish they made a wireless version already. 10/10 not matter which game you play.

[@GweniswasntTaken]

I started gw2 with that setup because I was fairly new to games that need that many keybinds. However I eventually made the change of a more classical keybind scheme and use my mouse to add modifiers and perform certain actions as I found myself struggling to meet the apm requirements for some builds and wanted to generally get better at the game.

[@solreaver83]

Just got the evga x15 i love everything about it except i wish it was maybe 10% smaller but thats a problem i have with many mice as they have such a big rise in the back it stops my fingers from fully extending. Going to try a wrist support to lift my hand higher. Otherwise its very nice

[@avoxtr]

Nice to hear from someone who has it! I just wish they had stuck another button in that center spot 🤪

[@solreaver83]

@avoxtr yeah I could agree but it does give me a place to hold the thumb position without miss clicking. Buttons are nice and firm though so probably not necessary

[@avoxtr]

That's actually a really good point, having a place to grip and lift it without triggering a misclick! And once you get muscle memory for the layout you'll never go back to a regular old mouse 😁

[@solreaver83]

@avoxtr can't reach 9 and 10nthough but I also can't reach g502 sniper button without manipulating my hand either so nongreat loss. If only the logitech x master had a gaming version. Room for buttons, side scroll and fits perfectly in my hand.

[@vash3100]

My only problem with the G600 after having to replace my Rival 500 is the right/left click and g-shift buttons are way to easy to press. If I could go back and buy more of my old mouse at this point I would in a heart beat. also with the side buttons on the G600 i wish the rows were textured on different rows or something to make it more noticeable where each button is.

[@TimeTraveler-hk5xo]

How do you feel about keeping the Aerox 9 clean? I have concerns that grime and dust will slowly build up on the inside..

[@avoxtr]

I actually haven't had an issue with that, but that's nothing some compressed air can't solve! Everything inside appears to be coated, so it's not *actually* a bunch of exposed electronics. The only issue I've had is some gunk build up in between the side keys. I'm also obsessed about occasionally cleaning my electronics, so again, easy fix.

[@SmokinNate]

I had a razer naga pro for years. It developed a few issues like not charging while on the dock. I had to move it around just to get it to charge. Also sometimes the side buttons would stop working in the middle of a game. I recently got the razer naga v2 hyperspeed. It is amazing not dealing with side plates that I never used and uses a battery instead to charge. The only annoyance with the hyperspeed is the scroll wheel. It feels cheap and has a lot of play in mine at least.

[@avoxtr]

How is the weight of the V2 Hyperspeed? Using a battery instead of recharging is a downside to me, but might be worth the trade-off

[@SmokinNate]

@@avoxtr it’s actually lighter than the naga pro not by much though.The naga pro weighs 120g while the hyperspeed is 110 with a lithium battery. I like the idea of the battery because I can get 250 hours of battery life out of it.

[@bachigochi4]

I have been using G600 since 8 , soon 9 years after first 2 years due to the exessive playing wow it got so dirty and my right click start to not working properly so i decided to wash the mouse , after gave it a good bath under hot water a bit soap i dried it and problem solved! Started working perfectly again but after 5 years later it started to have same problems with clicking so it was again i tought here comes the bath time! After i clean it went to normal again. 3 months ago it started some double clicking and clicks got softened abit altough i use it clean this time and it started to feel heavy playing wow after 2 + hours i think i need a lighter mouse And its optic is kinda got abit wierd after 9 years its still good but sometimes it sliding a very small bit. Maybe it is time to move on and buy something new :(( You ve been a good servent g600 but i must keep playing good...

[@avoxtr]

That is an incredibly good track record!

[@destro_0411]

Only issue with this mouse is the buttons are extremely small on the side

[@WonderBlubber]

Thank you sm for this. I'm an XIV player and I bought my first MMO mouse (logitech g600) for GW2 a decade ago. I've blown through two since then and it seems that it's no longer in production. 😢

[@avoxtr]

It's a shame about the G600. I found it a little too vanilla for me, but it was a solid option! I think the Redragon mice are probably the best alternatives, but the side buttons don't feel nearly as premium as the G600's did.

[@mitch8bjukenon]

I can only play i action mode camera and i am using Corsair. Do you have a good keybind GW2 video for active mode camera users? Cheers

[@avoxtr]

Honestly got keybinds in action camera, I bind all of my skills to just their number, with 10 being zero. I also set the mouse #11 key to my default mount, and #12 opens my radial mount menu (Blish). Other than that I set dodge to Mouse wheel (clocking it down), special action to Z, and About Face to X for when I use it. That's about it!

[@m3ndox]

My combo is the Logi G13 and Naga Trinity. It's a pity that Logitech decided not to make G13 anymore and I can't find a good replacement for that.

[@avoxtr]

Those are so cool, always wanted to try one!

[@pringlebread4913]

I personally use a G600 and I don't know that I could use anything else. I run push to talk in voips and that is set to the ring finger button on my G600. Standard 12 button layout everywhere else. Works perfectly for me in every style of game I play and I love it.

[@gadomoya]

I play gw2 on controller but I was curious to see the variety of mmo mice. 👀 I already know my hand would get sore within an hour of using one

[@ReptilianXHologram]

What controller do you use?

[@zooman1036]

I have and been using logitech G600, I would say this is the best mouse for MMO. It has the 3rd mouse button, where I usually assign as ctrl or shift for extra 12 keys to play with. The second best I would recommend Razer Naga, as it fits in my hand nicely, but the buttons are not very durable. I use about 3 of them over 5 years (I played a lot of MMO FF14, WoW, Guildwars 2). Logitech G600, had them for 3 years now and it still works perfectly. So this is my go to mouse for any MMO. I just wish they make the wireless version with upgrade on the design.

[@siruaLs_]

Can someone help me out? What keyboard is Avoxtr using in this video? Even AI can't find it.

[@avoxtr]

It's a Keychron K1, but I have half of a Nuphy keycap set on it, and half of a Keychron set. A few months after I spent way too much on PBT keycaps, Keychron released the K1 Pro which is basically exactly what I put together!

[@siruaLs_]

@@avoxtr Thank you soooo much!

[@PhoenixDestiny98]

I rock the razor naga x, my fav mouse thus far. Prior to this mouse i had the razor naga. Enjoy the weight of it and not many other manufacturers produce a mouse that heavy with the 12 additional buttons

[@Y_Grim_R]

I used the corsair for 2 years until the switch broke and started double clicking constantly. Corsairs software can be buggy. But wasnt a huge issue for me since most of my computer was corsair so i had it running all the time anyway. I ended up going to the razor as a replacement. It was good... but i definitely preferred abd missed the corsair mouse. Im at a point where i am in need of a new mouse again. Thank you for the video!

[@avoxtr]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Carlito.undercover]

This is the best video on this topic, the side button comparisons is the most important part that other reviewers skip.

[@bruhmanfromthefifthfloor]

Solid video! i use the g604 myself, its 6 buttons instead of the 12 but they are all thumbsize buttons, makes it way easier to press. I wouldn't advise getting one though since i'm on my 4th due to double clicking

[@avoxtr]

Haha well good to know about that one at least!

[@evildeadedd]

I'm a pretty big fan of Red dragon. I've owned several of their products over the last 3 years, and never had an issue with build quality. Everything that I bought still works, I just upgraded to get the extra buttons. I use a lap desk for my setup, so my mouse gets yote quite a lot, and still running strong.

[@avoxtr]

They're such good value for what they are!

[@Teklien]

Being an old returning GW2 player I knew 100% I was NOT going back to my Corsair Scimitar. I’ve been a wireless mouse weeb for years now & I refuse to go back to wires. So I’m definitely thinking this will be purchased tomorrow!!!

[@avoxtr]

Lately I've been going back and forth between my Steelseries AeroX 9 (which I tend to use on my laptop, since it uses Bluetooth), and a Utech Venus Pro on my desktop, which is a sketchy cheap brand I found on Amazon. It's very similar to the Redragon M913 Impact Elite but a SLIGHTLY different shape and it's way better than it has any right to be!

[@Teklien]

@@avoxtr yeah I’ve had the Utech for a while. I think I picked it up last time I tried getting back into GW2 like 2 years ago. I just started using it again last night & thought the exact same that’s it’s hella good for a $40 mouse. For me it’s the weight after a while I start to feel it.

[@DigitalD20]

The G600 was my all time favorite. Unfortunately Logitech stuff just falls apart. I'm pretty careful with all of my equipment but I had two Logitech headsets break in the EXACT spot as well as two G600s fail in similar ways with double clicking or button failure. All in less than a year. It's really a bummer because the G600 numpad was just superior to me. I'm using a Corsair Scimitar now and the numpad is not to my liking, my thumb hits the mousepad when I press 1 because it's so low. But the build quality is undeniable and it hasn't failed yet like all of my Logitech devices have.

[@ntorix599]

I've been using the 1st gen razer Naga for years and have no idea how people manage without an mmo mouse. I run thief and have steal bound to z and stolen skill to c. Originally I did this because my keyboard function keys required holding the fn button but since then I've switched keyboards and still prefer z and c.

[@avoxtr]

Glad the Naga has been holding up! Also as someone who's never played a Thief and has no idea how they play, half of this sounds made up to me 😁

[@jamalmalik3617]

I'm more of a keyboard button pusher, but my keyboard is very old and getting a bit gross, what keyboard are you using?

[@avoxtr]

I'm currently using as Keychron K1 with their optical "banana" switches, but I swapped the primary keycaps for a set from Nuphy, for their Air75 keyboard. I just prefer TKL layouts or I would have got the Air75 outright. I greatly prefer lower profile keyboards, and I can type WAY faster on thinner keyboards like the Logitech MX Keys. But the Keychron feels very nice to use, and my desktop is primarily for gaming, so it's fitting here.

[@jamalmalik3617]

@@avoxtr Thanks! I have smaller hands and yours looks manageable enough that i might try to replicate it.

[@avoxtr]

I mostly picked a TKL keyboard because I like to be able to bring my hands a little closer together. I have a few things mapped to Home/End and I like having dedicated keys for those, along with PrtScrn and the like. Again just personal preference!

[@WilePezza]

Been through many MMO mice and my favourite (and still using until it breaks) is the Roccat Nyth. Customisable thumb button layout (if you ever need less than 12) and two different outside attachments for different size hands/grips. Never had any problems with the software which is about as customisable as any out there. Easy-shift is great (especially if you have a Roccat keyboard too). Only problem, they don't make the Nyth anymore. :(

[@hydrospanner]

I have constant issues with my Nyth slowly losing tracking (which shows up usually when moving it slowly for precise selection...and the mouse is moving but the cursor isn't). This was enough for it to lose its spot as anything but a general task mouse. That said, I also have a Roccat Leadr, and it's been incredible. When they discontinued that one, I decided to reserve it for GW2 gaming-only (using the Nyth for everything else). It's not a numpad style...but its buttons and easy-shift mean that I have every single one of my skills bound to the mouse. The only thing I do on the keyboard is movement, dodging, mounts, etc.

[@einschwartz]

By far, I think this is the best comparison video for mmo mouse! While I would love to try one (and have been looking for it a long time now), I started using an ergonomic vertical mouse couple years ago, and can no longer go back. The standard mouse hurts my wrist after some time. :( I hope these companies will look into making gaming vertical mouse in the future.

[@avoxtr]

Thank you! Hopefully we'll see more options in the future, I think a vertical version would be kind of obvious at this point due to the challenges in making MMO mice economic!

[@ShraderDesigns]

I've been using the G600 for MMOs since Launch in 2012. Wireless is cute. But I prefer not having to worry about battery life. So even my wireless option peripherals are all plugged in. Guaranteed no lag as well. Also. I can't see the mouse while I'm looking at the screen. :) Half of my family uses them. And not just for gaming. I've convinced them it's a necessary accessory for any program with a shitload of hotkeys. Like Excel and Photoshop.

[@avoxtr]

I love wireless just because I hate the feeling of the cord dragging around, even if it's light, but I agree wired is definitely more practical. My current mouse is wireless but I also keep it plugged in most of the time!

[@francb1634]

I'm on my third g600 (over a 12year span) and they're perfect for GW2. Also, as a person with not-small hands, I LOOOOVE the shape/size.

[@avoxtr]

Hey even ~4 years each out of a mouse is pretty dang good! I have been more and more impressed by Logitech's more recent offerings

[@arge12]

Which one will you recommend today?

[@avoxtr]

My favorite lately has been the Utech Venus Pro! Very similar to the Redesign M913 Impact Elite, but a much better shape and nicer texture. Works wired or wirelessly, charges over USB-C, and stores it's settings onboard so you don't need to leave the app running!

[@jacobww1]

i love my G600 i wish they would update it doe would love a wireless with wireless charging ver. of it would be amazing

[@avoxtr]

It would be a Day 1 buy for me!

[@rafflesmaos]

As a user of the EVGA X15, the layout of the buttons is the least of its problems, unfortunately. Has issues with the scroll sensor, the cord, etc. Which is too bad, because other than the G600, it's been amazing for GW2. So far I've yet to find an ideal MMO mouse for me because everything is lacking one thing or another. Aerox 9 and Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed are a bit closer to what I seek... Aerox really needs either extra buttons like the Razer next to main button, or a third button like a G600. Razer is... well, razer. I really don't like their software. Aerox 9 for some reason also decided to put a rubber mat, like G600, on where the side buttons are, which makes their presses mushy despite them being on top of mechanical switches :(

[@dragoni_penguin]

i cant tell if the mouse is just small or if this man is just ginormous

[@avoxtr]

I do have pretty big hands!

[@hanswurst5838]

I was using the Razer Naga Molten for 4k hours and it was the best MMO Mouse. The Scimitar feels clunky and the first Buttons domt work after a few Mounths, same with all what Razer produce this Days

[@user-ou9nh2ic7o]

The Azeron Gaming Keypad rules for GW2. I was an early adopter and never turned back. 3 years / 400hrs in and can not play without it. (It is also great for Warframe!)

[@AlaiaSkyhawk]

I'm on my 3rd Razer Naga in an 11 year span (bought my first one in the run-up to GW2's launch so I'd have time to practice with it), I've over 12k hours on the game, so 4k hours average out of each and my current one is still going strong :D I could never play GW2 without it lol, I'm too used to it xD

[@avoxtr]

That's really not bad when you put it into perspective. Glad they've treated you well!

[@Run_With_The_Kittens]

I personally have used and continue to use over the pass 3-4 years the "Utech Venus MMO Mouse" it has most of the features of the other mice but it is weight adjustable and has good simple software for lighting colours and mouse sensitivity.....it has a great feel for my large hands...and adjustable DPI on the fly....I highly recommend it...and it was only $40 CAN.....It has servered me well in Guildwars 2 to this very day! Cheers, and thanks for the video great comparison...Subscrided!

[@avoxtr]

I actually did come across this one and I BELIEVE it's the same device as the Redragon M913 Impact Elite. But I couldn't tell if it actually differed at all

[@Nana-hh6qh]

have the same one but seems like it doesnt work after my win 11 upgrade any more.. do you have windows 11 by any chance so I know if its the mouse or the update that causes my issues?... :)

[@avoxtr]

I've been running Windows 11 since launch with all of these and it hasn't had any problems. I would suspect the mouse, or maybe a driver issue, but they don't actually require specific drivers to use.

[@Nana-hh6qh]

@@avoxtr strange.. happend same time I upgraded and a friend looked over my settings and said my pc doesnt even recognize the mouse, its only shown as usb device..

[@avoxtr]

Weird, maybe it is a driver thing! Maybe try right click > uninstall or remove device and try starting from scratch

[@andreypadilha1319]

The funny part is that he typed "who approved this???" to the best design in the list. Its a lot easier to dont miss click when you fast move n click, specially on really fast paced mmos, its the BEST design on the list!!!!

[@gelipterzg]

been using a G600 for years, spilled coffee on it, then bought a naga, threw it into a wall in a week, then bought another g600, never looked back again.

[@m4rcin847]

I was looking for an MMO mouse for quite some time and the best one is... Redragon Aatrox (M811). Its in both wired and wireless version and its surprisingly solid for a chinese cheapo mouse. I know everyone wanna have Razer, Steelseries or Logitech on a desk but I suggest to give it a try.

[@avoxtr]

I've actually settled on a Utech Venus Pro, which is just a repackaged Redragon in a slightly different shape

[@real_ez8412]

​@avoxtr I also have that one it seems to be the best I've used in how it feels my only con is the different sweaty plastic in the middle. I wish that Textured stuff went all the way across the mouse. But by far the most comfortable to use outside the g600 which rip hopefully they get another wireless version in the not to distant future g600 is just unmatched for mmos

[@hekasoram]

Roccat Kone XP is good as well. Leadr was fine.

[@flooperopt5550]

what about keyboard?

[@avoxtr]

I thought about doing a discussion on keyboard, but to be honest you can just run anything, it wouldn't be like an MMO/GW2-specific choice. Personally I like TKLs, and I like low profile mechanical. If those sound interesting to you, check out the Keychron K1, and maybe the Nuphy Air 96 (which isn't a TKL but it's a damn good keyboard)

[@flooperopt5550]

@@avoxtr I have been running a 60% keyboard and iwas trying to find something else, because i used to play fps but i feel like i am missing keys for gw2

[@avoxtr]

It'll definitely come down to your keybinds. I will say if you're running an MMO mouse you can devote pretty much all of those keys to your skills, and that just leaves movement and ancillary functions. I used a 60% for a while, and it was fine, I just missed having dedicated home/end/PgUp/PgDn/Scrn etc for other stuff!

[@flooperopt5550]

@@avoxtr What do you think and if do you have an opinion on logitech 502 or aerox 5, because i dont need those many buttons and it is kinda bulky and i have small hands.

[@Arting-Sir]

This looks like it will give high advantage in pvp

[@gailbrookhart1777]

Data point: I tried and failed with a Naga. The place where my hand wanted to be meant that the ball of my thumb was NOT where it needed to be. Add that there was no easy way for my thumb to find my place on the side pad meant that I failed A LOT with this mouse with misclicked buttons and buttons clicked by mistake as I tried to adjust my hand or my thumb for movement/clicking. I'm envious of the people who could make it work but I was just spending too much time hating the work I was putting into the mouse and that meant I was not enjoying my gaming. No bueno!

[@avoxtr]

It's really interesting to me how much they can vary just by everyone's different grip and hand shape. But makes sense! I was never picky about mice until I started using MMO mice and now I'm TOO picky!

[@probeA123]

Okay apart from all the gw2 content which I love I'm sorry but I can't get over the fact of how handsome this content creator is haha. Love the video and will check out the mouse!

[@avoxtr]

Shucks, I don't deserve this kind of praise!!

[@McVerdict]

I got one and i struggle to use it tbh

[@avoxtr]

There's definitely a learning curve to "mapping" your thumb to the num pad but I think it's pretty quick to pick up

[@kruptwilson6257]

Naga hex 6 button for me, wish they still made it. Dont like the 7 button new one

[@ghostapi874]

I’ve been through 3 razer nagas. I love the feel of the mouse but all 3 had double clicking issues within 2-3 years. Now i’m logitech g600 enjoyer. Logitech’s software sucks compared to the naga but i’d rather have durability. After getting used to the new shape I think I prefer it anyway. Thirdly this might just be my copies of the trinity but the side buttons on the logitech have been more responsive.

[@avoxtr]

Thanks for the comparison of the two! I actually have two Nagas and one has some mileage but I haven't had any issues with it. I wonder if the different variants have different build quality!

[@ghostapi874]

@@avoxtr ye my first model was the literal first edition of the naga. It actually had a completely different shape than the current trinity and was even smaller. My others were the first version of the trinity. So maybe there has been a refreshed version of the naga with better switches.

[@avoxtr]

I could see it! I didn't realize until I got some replies on this video there were some very early versions of the Naga I had never seen before

[@StarkEpiphany]

I learned the hard way and went with corsair kbm right when I came over to PC...icue just is what it is at this point for me. Lol

[@andrerego4165]

Very cool video

[@avoxtr]

Thank you!

[@atvkid0805]

G600 is a no brainer, it has 40 keys because of G-Shift that doubles each key

[@Hadryell]

7 years using the Razer Trynity, No Regrets!

[@kiuzuki]

I didn't know that Bjorn Ironside played Guild Wars 2.

[@realnull]

Do not go with Corsair, their's mouse wheel breaks in 6-12 months. I had 3 of them, and all have the same issue.

[@avoxtr]

Corsair has some really interesting designs, sadly spoiled by bad software and bad build quality 🙁

[@realnull]

@@avoxtr Yes, we forgot to mention 3.5 GB for their software :). However, side buttons are the best design, being able to slide them so you can adjust them to your hand size. And that every second row is textured is a great design too, because it is much easier to switch from 2nd to 3rd row compared to other designs. However, we are not rich enough to pay £75 every 6 months for replacement :D

[@abhilashsharma9]

hah! jokes on you, im a clicker DH since half a decade now.

[@tomslek7886]

Ons day There Will be one for a lefthander😢

[@avoxtr]

Behold 🙂 www.razer.com/gaming-mice/Razer-Naga-Left-Handed-Edition/RZ01-03410100-R3M1?RS_TXN_BTM_US_EGR-mice_TR&CID=201007_RS_TXN_BTM_US_EGR-mice_TR&gclid=CjwKCAiA_vKeBhAdEiwAFb_nrc5JMFhn0AhA7D-J_Tw8fi_PROlYTWpqyemPi6mEs0HEsutKjHLoSRoCTMEQAvD_BwE

[@geekwars3998]

While an MMO mouse can help tremendously in GW2, I would highly encourage new players to *not* build muscle memory around it and to try to use a keyboard for most of their skills. The reason is quite simple: some GW2 profession specs can be extremely high APM and you only have _one_ thumb on your right hand. You physically cannot press more than a single mouse thumb button at a time. You will never be able to play high-APM professions optimally if you rely only on MMO mouse buttons to activate all of your skills (especially if you rely on modifiers that further slow your input down).

[@avoxtr]

You might be surprised how quick you can get on an MMO mouse, even for high APM builds!

[@geekwars3998]

@@avoxtr I have one. And it's impossible to play weaver optimally with just the thumb buttons. Not when Quickness/Alacrity is a thing. The rotation literally requires you to press weapon skills, _while_ shifting attunement, and while pressing two instant utilities simultaneously. Again, you only have one right thumb. You can't use it to press 3 buttons at the same time.

[@avoxtr]

Ok, whatever works best for you!

[@kullekusk8136]

Exactly, why do they make the side panel so tough to press? A standard mechanical keyboard style would suffice. Razer introduced the Naga like a decade ago with this style of side panel. Plain stupidity.

[@avoxtr]

I find Razer's to be too easy to press, and SteelSeries too hard. This shouldn't be rocket science!

[@kullekusk8136]

@@avoxtr Which of the Razer versions do you find the easiest? I actual want them to be rather too easy than too hard?

[@avoxtr]

Honestly from what I've seen, pretty much all of the current Naga series feels about the same, the only difference being that the latest Naga Pro V2 has a different switch option. So I'd just pick the form factor that suits you best!

[@kullekusk8136]

@@avoxtr Okey, thanks! Is any of the models slimmer (less wide?)

[@avoxtr]

I wish! They're all the same basic shape and size, they just vary in weight and function. The 4 variants are: -Naga X: Simple wired version -Naga Left-Handed: Just a Naga X, but left-handed -Naga Trinity: Wired, with a swappable side plate (12 key, 6 key, or 2 key) -Naga V2 Pro: Wireless or Wired, swappable sides, and optional wireless charging dock/puck upgrade

[@alinfliy1]

or you can put gw2 thru steam and use a controller like i do :D. works perfect

[@sh1ro9]

I'm so used to normal gaming mice with two extra buttons so when I started gw2, I had to do a lot of remapping till I felt good. And a pretty weird one at that. I don't have any key bound to auto attack except for mouse 1 cause I thought I'd be wasting a key as I only play in action camera. Then I remapped the rest of weapon skills into 1, 2, 3, 4. So it goes as mouse 1, 1, 2, 3, 4. I hate pressing fn keys with WASD so I remapped all profession skills into mouse 5, V, G, B, 5 and F1. Six profession keys are enough for me right now. I have mouse 4 as dodge and it feels really good. Primary mount is Z with all the mounts mapped to Shift + "key". I have Q has heal, E as util 1, R as util 2, C as util 3 and T as elite. Oh, I have Alt as a toggle between action camera and tab target.

[@avoxtr]

My eyes crossed while reading all of this 😂

[@sh1ro9]

@@avoxtr I can feel it lol. My issue is that my brain is hard-wired to be always on at least two of WASD keys thanks to thousands of hours in csgo. So I had to figure a way out to accommodate that and I end up using basically all the keys surrounding WASD.

[@avoxtr]

Hey as long as it works for you, that's all that matters!