I'd like to see more tech reviews from you. Felt like a was watching a big tech review channel. Would be cool to see your channel grow big in future
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That's quite a compliment! Thank you very much 😁
@greendaybmt Жыл бұрын
This is so freaking helpful. I love that you tried other mouses (mice?) and kind of reviewed them. Also, talking about the kind of difficulty with adjusting to a bigger mouse is SO important. Took me like 3 days to adjust! Love your videos!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thanks Elaina, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😁😁
@AwolGG9 ай бұрын
Sadly the G600 was discontinued years ago which is why it is constantly on sale and no longer seen in stores. I loved the third mouse click for tab targeting.
@avoxtr9 ай бұрын
I saw! Sad to see it go. I hope they bring out a new version soon
@B3RING3R Жыл бұрын
The G600 is amazing, but probably has the steepest learning curve to use all the shift key combinations correctly. With practice, I can do everything from hotkeying the interface to mounting specific mounts without clicking any on screen buttons or moving either hand. Also, I got it to sometimes play with an infant in one arm and I can do all but the hardest content with one hand now.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I like to think of this as having a low skill floor, high skill ceiling. You CAN use it as a regular 12 button mouse, but you can do more with it if you learn to use that extra button!
@andrewfannin713826 күн бұрын
Clean and concise! Thank you very much! Coincidentally, I just started playing GW2 a couple months ago, and it's why I'm in the market for a mouse with a thumb number pad!
@the1only1witness Жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, most "normal" mice have a page up and page down built into their scroll wheel, and prior to getting something like this, it's an amazing help in GW2 to rebind your heal skill and weapon swap to those respective buttons (or if you main a single class, your 2 most frequently used abilities). I'm still one of those people that got use to using [shift + a key] combinations for most of the abilities, but utilizing the scroll wheel early on just to cover 2 button presses was a godsend when I was newer to the game.
@Ultraelectromagnetic26 күн бұрын
I've been using the Steelseries Rival 5 for GW2 for years now. It has exactly enough side buttons for healing, utility, and elite skills, so it's perfect if you prefer to keep using your weapon skills with the left/keyboard hand. Still need to remap or reach a bit for profession skills (f1-f5) but I've gotten used to it cuz I really like the ergonomics of the Rival 5's side button layout and I dont really like the mini-numpad layout on most MMO mice.
@VarjoPira8 ай бұрын
Currently using Corsair's Darkstar with revamped iCue, myself. Coming from G502, it's not quite as ergonomic, but feels and plays excellent. That said, anything with hypershift functionality is good for Guild Wars 2, imo, even if it's not an MMO-mouse.
@zooman1036Ай бұрын
I have and been using logitech G600, I would say this is the best mouse for MMO. It has the 3rd mouse button, where I usually assign as ctrl or shift for extra 12 keys to play with. The second best I would recommend Razer Naga, as it fits in my hand nicely, but the buttons are not very durable. I use about 3 of them over 5 years (I played a lot of MMO FF14, WoW, Guildwars 2). Logitech G600, had them for 3 years now and it still works perfectly. So this is my go to mouse for any MMO. I just wish they make the wireless version with upgrade on the design.
@WonderBlubber2 күн бұрын
Thank you sm for this. I'm an XIV player and I bought my first MMO mouse (logitech g600) for GW2 a decade ago. I've blown through two since then and it seems that it's no longer in production. 😢
@avoxtr2 күн бұрын
It's a shame about the G600. I found it a little too vanilla for me, but it was a solid option! I think the Redragon mice are probably the best alternatives, but the side buttons don't feel nearly as premium as the G600's did.
@Qstorm884 ай бұрын
Great review!
@Nephalem84 Жыл бұрын
Love the video! I used to own a Naga Molten which I enjoyed for mmo's but it was a bit too small to be really comfy for extended use. Nowadays I mostly miss the option to have the numpad AND the forward/back buttons on the side.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I hadn't seen the Razer Molten. Had to look it up, but I don't hate the shape of it! Roccat also had a numpad MMO mouse a few years back that was discontinued. I guess they aren't that popular, so maybe we just need to shout louder about them!
@user-pi1fe6rh5i5 ай бұрын
I also had many issues with the Corsair software. Having to unplug and replay the mouse for the software to recognize the mouse for profile switching between games. The profiles sometimes swapped on their own. Among other tedious issues. It was still a decent mouse to use though. Hardware was great software was a nightmare.
@LoliLikesPedobear Жыл бұрын
So, you’re a norn engineer. An unusual profession+race choice, Slayer.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
People can be two things!
@LoliLikesPedobear Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr Indeed
@Nicky-19 Жыл бұрын
I actually created a norn engineer as well for one of my characters and I was like technically this kinda doesn’t make sense for a norn, like a char engineer yeah sounds perfect but instead I was like haha big buff lady with gun.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That sounds like as good a reason as any if you ask me!
@garye41457 ай бұрын
I love my g600 and find that it's very comfortable to use. After thousands of hours in GW2 I have absolutely no complaints with it!
@avoxtr6 ай бұрын
The G600 is a great mouse. It's unfortunate they discontinued it recently!
@mikolajlipinski7087 Жыл бұрын
I only used the M908 and Scimitair pro. M908 with all the weights has that nice weight to it and ergonomics on it are really nice, it feels really good to hold it, but side buttons are small and angled. After few months you start getting unresponsiveness on those side keys. And it is getting messy after time, but you can expect that from the quality for that price. Then I spent a bit more and got scimitair pro. After 2 years its still super responsive, buttons are bigger and as you said easier to feel where your thumb is. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but for me side keys don't feel cheap, quite the contrary, since they're easier to press and have less resistance on them, your thumb doesn't get sore after hours of raiding where most of my rotation comes from the mouse keys. Software can be confusing at first, but it does allow you to store 3 profiles you set up on board and Corsair has guides on setting up software online, and in all honesty Redragon software is way worse. Razer I stay way from after having really bad experience with their keyboards so my bias is stopping me from trying it. But it's nice to see a video like that, keep it up :)
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you've been liking the Scimitar! Despite my personal experience with it, I do think it has some good qualities and your reply definitely illustrates that. I think I'd be willing to give it another shot if they ever came out with a newer (wireless) version just because the ergonomics were so good.
@mikolajlipinski7087 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr If you like steelseries, there is no need to try something you don't like. Everyone has different criteria for a mouse being good. But I wanted warn people that redragon mice don't last long.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
@@mikolajlipinski7087 The Steelseries is my favorite *so far* but there's still room for improvement. I won't rest until I find the perfect MMO mouse! 😂
@xoawolf Жыл бұрын
Thanks for makin this vid. Honestly I been lookin for a new mouse for a while now, but none seem to suit me just right. I currently run a Razer Mamba 2 button mouse, and while it feels almost perfect, 2 side buttons just isn't enough. That said, Having a whole keyboard on the side of the mouse to me is just overkill. If the Mamba had like 2 or 3 more buttons on the side, it would be the best for me. And I know there are a few other mice out there that sort of match those buttons, but they are usually butt ugly or uncomfy to hold. I'm probably gona just suck it up and roll with your best recommendation though and get the Steel Series. Maybe the Aerox 9 or 5. Again great vid, you're quickly becoming one of my top GW content creators to watch.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thanks, the compliment means a lot 😁 You might consider picking up a Naga Trinity, especially if you have larger hands. One of the side panels has 6 buttons in a circle, so you could try that without going for the full 12 key numpad. And you'd still have the option if you ever did decide to go 12 key!
@xoawolf Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr Ya I thought bout that one too, but I'm pretty sure I have a minor version of OCD, as I hate that it isn't symmetrical (hence the ugly comment) lol. But that's just me bein weird like that. And no worries man, you def earned it.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Don't worry, you're talking to the king of pickiness when it comes to electronics and peripherals!
@romzombie Жыл бұрын
I use a Logitech G602 which just has six buttons on the side, but I remap the right half of my skill bar to ZXC for Utility and V for Elite. Healing for me is a middle mouse click (which is great in frantic combat) and I use my side mouse buttons for F1-5, which are the only really awkward ones at that point. I've tried the 12-button ones before, but the keys I need always get lost in the mass of buttons when things get panicked.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That's sounds like a good setup! There can definitely be a learning curve to teaching your left thumb to control a numpad, especially if it's flat and featureless!
@fabianschocke6535 Жыл бұрын
Went from a 12-side-button mouse (corsair scimitar pro, expensive piece of glued garbage) to the Logitech G604. Fewer side buttons, but great handshape and overall feel. Overhauled my keybindings in GW2 to make use of shift-modified presses a lot more, which took some getting used to, but it's all outweighed just by how nice the G604 feels in my hand. Hint: When looking for a mouse with "more buttons", always factor in buttons that are "reserved" for hardware functions like profile- or dpi-switching because those can usually be rebind in the software and buttons that offer huge utility but are seldom mentioned like side-scroll on the mouse wheel. :)
@PeaSoupHobo Жыл бұрын
Action camera and a mice with buttons changed the enjoyment immensely for me. I have the Naga pro, but I've also gone through three of them. I've had a couple times a year where I have to outright uninstall all the razor software and reinstall it for it to start working again to detect wirelessly, and I have to use the USB dongle because I've had instances with performance issues on the Bluetooth through two separate machines and multiple mice. I still think it's the best wireless multi buttoned mouse that I've used so far playing guild wars 2, and when it is working it works pretty seamlessly.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I hope they come out with an updated version, there were some rumors on Reddit that they're due for one. And I'd hope it would bring improved quality too. But I agree, action cam + MMO mouse is the bee's knees!
@YoloVib3s5 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with everything you said!! I still have my original Scimitar which I used for Aion, Guild Wars 1 & briefly for GW2. I did try the new wireless Scimitar but jeez that thing is a brick! Switched to the Aerox 9 for GW2 & now Helldivers 2 & I couldn’t be happier!!
@Prec1gus4 ай бұрын
Are there any issues with reaching the 1-3 keys on the Aerox 9? I have seen a lot of reviewers mentioning that it either takes a while to get used to them, or you have to physically bend your wrist every time you want to reach them
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
Definitely takes some wrist adjustment!
@Chef-Juice8 ай бұрын
This looks like it will give high advantage in pvp
@B_rett_B3 ай бұрын
I used the corsair for 2 years until the switch broke and started double clicking constantly. Corsairs software can be buggy. But wasnt a huge issue for me since most of my computer was corsair so i had it running all the time anyway. I ended up going to the razor as a replacement. It was good... but i definitely preferred abd missed the corsair mouse. Im at a point where i am in need of a new mouse again. Thank you for the video!
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@PhoenixDestiny98 Жыл бұрын
I rock the razor naga x, my fav mouse thus far. Prior to this mouse i had the razor naga. Enjoy the weight of it and not many other manufacturers produce a mouse that heavy with the 12 additional buttons
@evildeadedd Жыл бұрын
I'm a pretty big fan of Red dragon. I've owned several of their products over the last 3 years, and never had an issue with build quality. Everything that I bought still works, I just upgraded to get the extra buttons. I use a lap desk for my setup, so my mouse gets yote quite a lot, and still running strong.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
They're such good value for what they are!
@BakedApple989 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I’ve used the G600 for year now I don’t even have to think about it. The way I have my key binds is everything default, but I have that third modifier click as all the need profession skills (F keys) and have my shift+number as all the mounts since there id quite the number now. Also the middle mouse button you can flick left or right for more keys. I have my flick right set to weapon swap and left to 180 my character. The other two buttons in the middle I have set to stow and auto run and they’ve en ever got in the way. Such a good mouse though I wish they made a wireless version already. 10/10 not matter which game you play.
@user-ou9nh2ic7o Жыл бұрын
The Azeron Gaming Keypad rules for GW2. I was an early adopter and never turned back. 3 years / 400hrs in and can not play without it. (It is also great for Warframe!)
@optimizedlaziness6183 Жыл бұрын
I started gw2 with that setup because I was fairly new to games that need that many keybinds. However I eventually made the change of a more classical keybind scheme and use my mouse to add modifiers and perform certain actions as I found myself struggling to meet the apm requirements for some builds and wanted to generally get better at the game.
@pringlebread4913 Жыл бұрын
I personally use a G600 and I don't know that I could use anything else. I run push to talk in voips and that is set to the ring finger button on my G600. Standard 12 button layout everywhere else. Works perfectly for me in every style of game I play and I love it.
@andreypadilha13194 ай бұрын
The funny part is that he typed "who approved this???" to the best design in the list. Its a lot easier to dont miss click when you fast move n click, specially on really fast paced mmos, its the BEST design on the list!!!!
@MrTomfoolary Жыл бұрын
the best mmo mouse I had was a Mad Catz M.M.O.7, although it looked funny the buttons for your thumb could be moved to the optimal place, the weight could be adjusted and every button was programable. Unfortunately some of the buttons stopped working, their support was non-existent and it is no longer made. I now use a aorus thunder m7
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I didn't even know AORUS made mice! And Mad Catz always had ridiculous designs, I kind of miss them
@johndurrett35735 ай бұрын
Bought the Naga Pro...and looking for how people use the side buttons to perform quick mount changes. So far still looking
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
I have my "12" Key bound to the Mount hotkey in Blishhud, so it pops a radial mount you can just drag over!
@StarkEpiphany4 ай бұрын
I learned the hard way and went with corsair kbm right when I came over to PC...icue just is what it is at this point for me. Lol
@sajanator33 ай бұрын
Can you do a video going over your keybinds in detail? There are several videos on gw2 keybinds, but not one with mmo mouse.
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
Sure but honestly for me it's just 1-0, so I just set them up numerically!
@einschwartz Жыл бұрын
By far, I think this is the best comparison video for mmo mouse! While I would love to try one (and have been looking for it a long time now), I started using an ergonomic vertical mouse couple years ago, and can no longer go back. The standard mouse hurts my wrist after some time. :( I hope these companies will look into making gaming vertical mouse in the future.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hopefully we'll see more options in the future, I think a vertical version would be kind of obvious at this point due to the challenges in making MMO mice economic!
@YoloVib3s Жыл бұрын
Being an old returning GW2 player I knew 100% I was NOT going back to my Corsair Scimitar. I’ve been a wireless mouse weeb for years now & I refuse to go back to wires. So I’m definitely thinking this will be purchased tomorrow!!!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Lately I've been going back and forth between my Steelseries AeroX 9 (which I tend to use on my laptop, since it uses Bluetooth), and a Utech Venus Pro on my desktop, which is a sketchy cheap brand I found on Amazon. It's very similar to the Redragon M913 Impact Elite but a SLIGHTLY different shape and it's way better than it has any right to be!
@YoloVib3s Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr yeah I’ve had the Utech for a while. I think I picked it up last time I tried getting back into GW2 like 2 years ago. I just started using it again last night & thought the exact same that’s it’s hella good for a $40 mouse. For me it’s the weight after a while I start to feel it.
@francb1634 Жыл бұрын
I'm on my third g600 (over a 12year span) and they're perfect for GW2. Also, as a person with not-small hands, I LOOOOVE the shape/size.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Hey even ~4 years each out of a mouse is pretty dang good! I have been more and more impressed by Logitech's more recent offerings
@bruhmanfromthefifthfloor Жыл бұрын
Solid video! i use the g604 myself, its 6 buttons instead of the 12 but they are all thumbsize buttons, makes it way easier to press. I wouldn't advise getting one though since i'm on my 4th due to double clicking
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Haha well good to know about that one at least!
@Psoewish11 күн бұрын
Since you've tried both, I have a question. Years ago I bought a Razer Naga, but I found it way too heavy, and the keypad seemed a touch too far back for my liking, making it quite difficult to press the back(?) column. how does the Steelseries offering compare to it in these regards specifically? Obviously it's lighter which is a great start, and you do mention the keypad is a little more forward, but is it enough of an offset to be a noticeable difference, or would I be better off just saving my money and rethinking my keyboard setup instead. For reference, I'm very used to very light mice (currently using the g pro superlight), so it's always going to be a challenge adjusting to a heavier mouse, but man I am not finding much joy in trying to play weaver with my keyboard 😅
@avoxtr11 күн бұрын
There's definitely an adjustment factor to the placement of the buttons on the AeroX 9, and the buttons aren't the most tactile so I feel like I'm *slightly* slower with it. But it has remained my go-to for use with my laptop and I still enjoy it. These days, this has been my go-to for my desktop which is my main GW2 rig: www.amazon.com/UtechSmart-transmission-technology-Ergonomic-programmable/dp/B07XP4K152 It is way better than it has any business being. Not as light as the Steelseries and the battery doesn't last as long, but it's lighter than the Razer, the shape is MUCH easier to grip, and the side buttons are clicky enough to be fast and have some decent tactile feedback.
@Psoewish11 күн бұрын
@@avoxtr I’ll have a look at this other one and see how they stack up (and if I can even get it in Belgium, since I’ve never heard of that brand haha). Hopefully it’ll suit my needs :) Thank you for the response, that really helps a lot!
@m4rcin8477 ай бұрын
I was looking for an MMO mouse for quite some time and the best one is... Redragon Aatrox (M811). Its in both wired and wireless version and its surprisingly solid for a chinese cheapo mouse. I know everyone wanna have Razer, Steelseries or Logitech on a desk but I suggest to give it a try.
@avoxtr6 ай бұрын
I've actually settled on a Utech Venus Pro, which is just a repackaged Redragon in a slightly different shape
@real_ez84123 ай бұрын
@avoxtr I also have that one it seems to be the best I've used in how it feels my only con is the different sweaty plastic in the middle. I wish that Textured stuff went all the way across the mouse. But by far the most comfortable to use outside the g600 which rip hopefully they get another wireless version in the not to distant future g600 is just unmatched for mmos
@larryamerson4150 Жыл бұрын
Although I bought the Corsair, it lives in a drawer and never gets used. I use the M908 and I also like the "fire" button on the index button for going into shroud or dropping shades for my necro.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That M908 is a great mouse!
@destro_04115 ай бұрын
Only issue with this mouse is the buttons are extremely small on the side
@kiuzuki4 ай бұрын
I didn't know that Bjorn Ironside played Guild Wars 2.
@jwf2327 Жыл бұрын
VERY helpful, me and the other half have been burning thru mice to find a good one. I haven't had much luck with the past couple Corsair items and absolutely am not fond of the software site at all. I like the fact you actually show the mouse being used and how you hand works on the device. And finally, where are all the BIG hand mouses! Keep up the good work and yep to the keyboard video!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Hopefully you can both find one you like. In the past I was a "two side buttons and that's it" kinda guy, but GW2 made me way too critical towards every little detail on these things 😂
@WilePezza Жыл бұрын
Been through many MMO mice and my favourite (and still using until it breaks) is the Roccat Nyth. Customisable thumb button layout (if you ever need less than 12) and two different outside attachments for different size hands/grips. Never had any problems with the software which is about as customisable as any out there. Easy-shift is great (especially if you have a Roccat keyboard too). Only problem, they don't make the Nyth anymore. :(
@hydrospanner Жыл бұрын
I have constant issues with my Nyth slowly losing tracking (which shows up usually when moving it slowly for precise selection...and the mouse is moving but the cursor isn't). This was enough for it to lose its spot as anything but a general task mouse. That said, I also have a Roccat Leadr, and it's been incredible. When they discontinued that one, I decided to reserve it for GW2 gaming-only (using the Nyth for everything else). It's not a numpad style...but its buttons and easy-shift mean that I have every single one of my skills bound to the mouse. The only thing I do on the keyboard is movement, dodging, mounts, etc.
@yetanotherrandomguy Жыл бұрын
I just recent acquired the Redragon M913 and a left hand keyboard. So far am still trying to get used to the convenience of extra buttons on the mouse (I keep reaching for keys on the keyboard instead of the thumb buttons). Definitely glad I have half a keyboard instead of the laptop keyboard for game play, just need to get my right hand to kaywoperate.
@AlaiaSkyhawk Жыл бұрын
I'm on my 3rd Razer Naga in an 11 year span (bought my first one in the run-up to GW2's launch so I'd have time to practice with it), I've over 12k hours on the game, so 4k hours average out of each and my current one is still going strong :D I could never play GW2 without it lol, I'm too used to it xD
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That's really not bad when you put it into perspective. Glad they've treated you well!
@SmokinNate Жыл бұрын
I had a razer naga pro for years. It developed a few issues like not charging while on the dock. I had to move it around just to get it to charge. Also sometimes the side buttons would stop working in the middle of a game. I recently got the razer naga v2 hyperspeed. It is amazing not dealing with side plates that I never used and uses a battery instead to charge. The only annoyance with the hyperspeed is the scroll wheel. It feels cheap and has a lot of play in mine at least.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
How is the weight of the V2 Hyperspeed? Using a battery instead of recharging is a downside to me, but might be worth the trade-off
@SmokinNate Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr it’s actually lighter than the naga pro not by much though.The naga pro weighs 120g while the hyperspeed is 110 with a lithium battery. I like the idea of the battery because I can get 250 hours of battery life out of it.
@TimeTraveler-hk5xo2 ай бұрын
How do you feel about keeping the Aerox 9 clean? I have concerns that grime and dust will slowly build up on the inside..
@avoxtr2 ай бұрын
I actually haven't had an issue with that, but that's nothing some compressed air can't solve! Everything inside appears to be coated, so it's not *actually* a bunch of exposed electronics. The only issue I've had is some gunk build up in between the side keys. I'm also obsessed about occasionally cleaning my electronics, so again, easy fix.
@Carlito.undercover3 ай бұрын
This is the best video on this topic, the side button comparisons is the most important part that other reviewers skip.
@hd9gАй бұрын
Which of these mice have scroll wheel tilt?
@gailbrookhart1777 Жыл бұрын
Data point: I tried and failed with a Naga. The place where my hand wanted to be meant that the ball of my thumb was NOT where it needed to be. Add that there was no easy way for my thumb to find my place on the side pad meant that I failed A LOT with this mouse with misclicked buttons and buttons clicked by mistake as I tried to adjust my hand or my thumb for movement/clicking. I'm envious of the people who could make it work but I was just spending too much time hating the work I was putting into the mouse and that meant I was not enjoying my gaming. No bueno!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
It's really interesting to me how much they can vary just by everyone's different grip and hand shape. But makes sense! I was never picky about mice until I started using MMO mice and now I'm TOO picky!
@vash3100 Жыл бұрын
My only problem with the G600 after having to replace my Rival 500 is the right/left click and g-shift buttons are way to easy to press. If I could go back and buy more of my old mouse at this point I would in a heart beat. also with the side buttons on the G600 i wish the rows were textured on different rows or something to make it more noticeable where each button is.
@iExisttt6 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I just picked up a Aerox 9 for cheap and am wondering if you could share you're gw2 keybinds? Thanks!
@avoxtr6 ай бұрын
I'm simple, I just set my numpad on the mouse to 1 to = (basically 1-9, 0, -, =, so I'm using the entire 12 key number row). Then my skills are just numeric as well!
@rainyday13 Жыл бұрын
Just bought the UtechSmart Venus and see it's almost identical to the Redragon M908. I just wanted enough buttons to use for my different mounts and this may be overkill. It's the first "gaming" mouse I've had so I have to spend some time learning how to set it up. I hope I can get used to it.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I actually just bought one too, just for kicks. I was certain it was a rebranded M913 Impact Elite, and it definitely uses the same sensor, but the texture is nicer and the side buttons feel a little better. Not bad for that price!
@Run_With_The_Kittens Жыл бұрын
I personally have used and continue to use over the pass 3-4 years the "Utech Venus MMO Mouse" it has most of the features of the other mice but it is weight adjustable and has good simple software for lighting colours and mouse sensitivity.....it has a great feel for my large hands...and adjustable DPI on the fly....I highly recommend it...and it was only $40 CAN.....It has servered me well in Guildwars 2 to this very day! Cheers, and thanks for the video great comparison...Subscrided!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I actually did come across this one and I BELIEVE it's the same device as the Redragon M913 Impact Elite. But I couldn't tell if it actually differed at all
@Nana-hh6qh Жыл бұрын
have the same one but seems like it doesnt work after my win 11 upgrade any more.. do you have windows 11 by any chance so I know if its the mouse or the update that causes my issues?... :)
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I've been running Windows 11 since launch with all of these and it hasn't had any problems. I would suspect the mouse, or maybe a driver issue, but they don't actually require specific drivers to use.
@Nana-hh6qh Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr strange.. happend same time I upgraded and a friend looked over my settings and said my pc doesnt even recognize the mouse, its only shown as usb device..
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Weird, maybe it is a driver thing! Maybe try right click > uninstall or remove device and try starting from scratch
@Kit-G Жыл бұрын
I still use the Steelseries Rival 500, tried using a 12 side button mouse, but I just can't get used to them. Maybe it's time to try again.
@gadomoya Жыл бұрын
I play gw2 on controller but I was curious to see the variety of mmo mice. 👀 I already know my hand would get sore within an hour of using one
@ReptilianXHologram Жыл бұрын
What controller do you use?
@wullxz Жыл бұрын
I've been using the Roccat Nyth since 2016. It has a 3 to 12 button layout on the side that you can change to your likings (3 rows with 1, 2, 3 or 4 buttons). The problem is, that Roccat doesn't produce those anymore and there's also no replacement model afaik. Because of that, I've already changed the switch for my left mouse button two times by soldering out the old one and putting in a new one (though, the first time I did this, I used a switch from an old ball-mouse from logitech which might not be the best idea ^^).
@wullxz Жыл бұрын
Also, the right side is detachable and can be replaced with a more narrow or wider option. It helps me continuing work or gaming when I notice a strain in my wrist because the attachments change my grip on the mouse a bit. I basically switch the attachment every few months.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Shame they don't make them anymore. Replacing individual switches is right up my alley though, nice job!
@matse7842 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Are you using the original numbers scheme on the mouse (1,2,3/4,5,6/7,8,9/10,11,12) or did you change this for somehow better adoption?
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I'm using mostly the original scheme, basically 1-0, then - and =. Basically mimicking the numrow on a keyboard.
@matse7842 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr thanks again! :)
@jacobww1 Жыл бұрын
i love my G600 i wish they would update it doe would love a wireless with wireless charging ver. of it would be amazing
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
It would be a Day 1 buy for me!
@rafflesmaos Жыл бұрын
As a user of the EVGA X15, the layout of the buttons is the least of its problems, unfortunately. Has issues with the scroll sensor, the cord, etc. Which is too bad, because other than the G600, it's been amazing for GW2. So far I've yet to find an ideal MMO mouse for me because everything is lacking one thing or another. Aerox 9 and Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed are a bit closer to what I seek... Aerox really needs either extra buttons like the Razer next to main button, or a third button like a G600. Razer is... well, razer. I really don't like their software. Aerox 9 for some reason also decided to put a rubber mat, like G600, on where the side buttons are, which makes their presses mushy despite them being on top of mechanical switches :(
@Hadryell Жыл бұрын
7 years using the Razer Trynity, No Regrets!
@atvkid0805 Жыл бұрын
G600 is a no brainer, it has 40 keys because of G-Shift that doubles each key
@andrerego4165 Жыл бұрын
Very cool video
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@m3ndox Жыл бұрын
My combo is the Logi G13 and Naga Trinity. It's a pity that Logitech decided not to make G13 anymore and I can't find a good replacement for that.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Those are so cool, always wanted to try one!
@probeA123 Жыл бұрын
Okay apart from all the gw2 content which I love I'm sorry but I can't get over the fact of how handsome this content creator is haha. Love the video and will check out the mouse!
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Shucks, I don't deserve this kind of praise!!
@bachigochi4 Жыл бұрын
I have been using G600 since 8 , soon 9 years after first 2 years due to the exessive playing wow it got so dirty and my right click start to not working properly so i decided to wash the mouse , after gave it a good bath under hot water a bit soap i dried it and problem solved! Started working perfectly again but after 5 years later it started to have same problems with clicking so it was again i tought here comes the bath time! After i clean it went to normal again. 3 months ago it started some double clicking and clicks got softened abit altough i use it clean this time and it started to feel heavy playing wow after 2 + hours i think i need a lighter mouse And its optic is kinda got abit wierd after 9 years its still good but sometimes it sliding a very small bit. Maybe it is time to move on and buy something new :(( You ve been a good servent g600 but i must keep playing good...
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That is an incredibly good track record!
@Armadan7 Жыл бұрын
The Trinity is a nightmare of issues. I've been using it for 2 years and it almost always has issues with "placement" of the side panels. You have to get it into the perfect little perfect angle and if you grab it too hard it disconnects. I'm looking for a replacement now since it's giving me double clicking issues.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I've actually never had this issue and I have two Trinities (don't ask lol). But I just let the side plates snap on and they're always super solid
@abhilashsharma9 Жыл бұрын
hah! jokes on you, im a clicker DH since half a decade now.
@geekwars39982 ай бұрын
While an MMO mouse can help tremendously in GW2, I would highly encourage new players to *not* build muscle memory around it and to try to use a keyboard for most of their skills. The reason is quite simple: some GW2 profession specs can be extremely high APM and you only have _one_ thumb on your right hand. You physically cannot press more than a single mouse thumb button at a time. You will never be able to play high-APM professions optimally if you rely only on MMO mouse buttons to activate all of your skills (especially if you rely on modifiers that further slow your input down).
@avoxtr2 ай бұрын
You might be surprised how quick you can get on an MMO mouse, even for high APM builds!
@geekwars39982 ай бұрын
@@avoxtr I have one. And it's impossible to play weaver optimally with just the thumb buttons. Not when Quickness/Alacrity is a thing. The rotation literally requires you to press weapon skills, _while_ shifting attunement, and while pressing two instant utilities simultaneously. Again, you only have one right thumb. You can't use it to press 3 buttons at the same time.
@avoxtr2 ай бұрын
Ok, whatever works best for you!
@Snipermunki Жыл бұрын
How does the game look on that monitor? I play on a 34" ultrawide and I've wondered if the edges of the screen get too stretched out on that super ultrawide. Up until about a week ago I was using the EVGA X15 and I really liked the feel of it and the button layout, but both the original and the replacement I got from EVGA developed problems with the scroll wheel. That was my biggest problem with searching for mice, virtually every MMO mouse I looked at had plenty of reviews talking about hardware problems (I don't even trust Logitech anymore, I've had about 4 mice get the Logitech left click issue). I also think the extra buttons have limited usefulness because I have big hands and long fingers and the side buttons always felt awkward to try and click either because of trying to stretch my thumb or because of the sideways pressure needed. Now I'm trying to get used to a Razer Basilisk V3. I still have to have dodge bound to one of the side buttons, but I got along with only two side buttons for a long time before, so I'll do it again. My real must have gadget is my Logitech G13 (sadly it's discontinued), I don't think I could play without it anymore. It has just enough keys for me to bind every command I need to it. If it ever dies I'll replace it with a Razer Tartarus. Appreciate you making videos on topics other KZbinrs don't cover as much, keep up the good work.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the feedback! For the ultrawide, the game handles it very well. The view at your periphery is definitely skewed, but because of the curve of the monitor it still looks natural. But to be honest, I normally play it in a window in the center of the screen at roughly 21:9 (so still fairly wide). This leaves room for Discord, Telegram, and a web browser open on either side.
@SebastienDelavallee10 ай бұрын
hello everyone, I just bought the razer naga x, superb mouse. unfortunately the side buttons are not supported on the playstation 5... Is the aerox 9 fully compatible on the playstation 5, in particular on call of duty modern warfare 2. Thank you for your answers.
@avoxtr10 ай бұрын
I honestly hadn't considered if any of these would be compatible with a console. The numpads output like keyboards, so I think this would come down to the individual game supporting keyboard mapping!
@ntorix599 Жыл бұрын
I've been using the 1st gen razer Naga for years and have no idea how people manage without an mmo mouse. I run thief and have steal bound to z and stolen skill to c. Originally I did this because my keyboard function keys required holding the fn button but since then I've switched keyboards and still prefer z and c.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Glad the Naga has been holding up! Also as someone who's never played a Thief and has no idea how they play, half of this sounds made up to me 😁
@solreaver83 Жыл бұрын
Just got the evga x15 i love everything about it except i wish it was maybe 10% smaller but thats a problem i have with many mice as they have such a big rise in the back it stops my fingers from fully extending. Going to try a wrist support to lift my hand higher. Otherwise its very nice
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Nice to hear from someone who has it! I just wish they had stuck another button in that center spot 🤪
@solreaver83 Жыл бұрын
@avoxtr yeah I could agree but it does give me a place to hold the thumb position without miss clicking. Buttons are nice and firm though so probably not necessary
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
That's actually a really good point, having a place to grip and lift it without triggering a misclick! And once you get muscle memory for the layout you'll never go back to a regular old mouse 😁
@solreaver83 Жыл бұрын
@avoxtr can't reach 9 and 10nthough but I also can't reach g502 sniper button without manipulating my hand either so nongreat loss. If only the logitech x master had a gaming version. Room for buttons, side scroll and fits perfectly in my hand.
@McVerdict11 күн бұрын
I got one and i struggle to use it tbh
@avoxtr11 күн бұрын
There's definitely a learning curve to "mapping" your thumb to the num pad but I think it's pretty quick to pick up
@mitch8bjukenon Жыл бұрын
I can only play i action mode camera and i am using Corsair. Do you have a good keybind GW2 video for active mode camera users? Cheers
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Honestly got keybinds in action camera, I bind all of my skills to just their number, with 10 being zero. I also set the mouse #11 key to my default mount, and #12 opens my radial mount menu (Blish). Other than that I set dodge to Mouse wheel (clocking it down), special action to Z, and About Face to X for when I use it. That's about it!
@jamalmalik3617 Жыл бұрын
I'm more of a keyboard button pusher, but my keyboard is very old and getting a bit gross, what keyboard are you using?
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I'm currently using as Keychron K1 with their optical "banana" switches, but I swapped the primary keycaps for a set from Nuphy, for their Air75 keyboard. I just prefer TKL layouts or I would have got the Air75 outright. I greatly prefer lower profile keyboards, and I can type WAY faster on thinner keyboards like the Logitech MX Keys. But the Keychron feels very nice to use, and my desktop is primarily for gaming, so it's fitting here.
@jamalmalik3617 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr Thanks! I have smaller hands and yours looks manageable enough that i might try to replicate it.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I mostly picked a TKL keyboard because I like to be able to bring my hands a little closer together. I have a few things mapped to Home/End and I like having dedicated keys for those, along with PrtScrn and the like. Again just personal preference!
Naga hex 6 button for me, wish they still made it. Dont like the 7 button new one
@realnull10 ай бұрын
Do not go with Corsair, their's mouse wheel breaks in 6-12 months. I had 3 of them, and all have the same issue.
@avoxtr10 ай бұрын
Corsair has some really interesting designs, sadly spoiled by bad software and bad build quality 🙁
@realnull10 ай бұрын
@@avoxtr Yes, we forgot to mention 3.5 GB for their software :). However, side buttons are the best design, being able to slide them so you can adjust them to your hand size. And that every second row is textured is a great design too, because it is much easier to switch from 2nd to 3rd row compared to other designs. However, we are not rich enough to pay £75 every 6 months for replacement :D
@ghostapi874 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been through 3 razer nagas. I love the feel of the mouse but all 3 had double clicking issues within 2-3 years. Now i’m logitech g600 enjoyer. Logitech’s software sucks compared to the naga but i’d rather have durability. After getting used to the new shape I think I prefer it anyway. Thirdly this might just be my copies of the trinity but the side buttons on the logitech have been more responsive.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison of the two! I actually have two Nagas and one has some mileage but I haven't had any issues with it. I wonder if the different variants have different build quality!
@ghostapi874 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr ye my first model was the literal first edition of the naga. It actually had a completely different shape than the current trinity and was even smaller. My others were the first version of the trinity. So maybe there has been a refreshed version of the naga with better switches.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I could see it! I didn't realize until I got some replies on this video there were some very early versions of the Naga I had never seen before
@Dark_Wizard_of_Mu11 ай бұрын
Mine is MSI mouse
@alinfliy1 Жыл бұрын
or you can put gw2 thru steam and use a controller like i do :D. works perfect
@zearcjustice78378 ай бұрын
my solution ? just get a smaller keyboard , so u can reach all your combo keys
@avoxtr6 ай бұрын
Big brain moves
@flooperopt55503 ай бұрын
what about keyboard?
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
I thought about doing a discussion on keyboard, but to be honest you can just run anything, it wouldn't be like an MMO/GW2-specific choice. Personally I like TKLs, and I like low profile mechanical. If those sound interesting to you, check out the Keychron K1, and maybe the Nuphy Air 96 (which isn't a TKL but it's a damn good keyboard)
@flooperopt55503 ай бұрын
@@avoxtr I have been running a 60% keyboard and iwas trying to find something else, because i used to play fps but i feel like i am missing keys for gw2
@avoxtr3 ай бұрын
It'll definitely come down to your keybinds. I will say if you're running an MMO mouse you can devote pretty much all of those keys to your skills, and that just leaves movement and ancillary functions. I used a 60% for a while, and it was fine, I just missed having dedicated home/end/PgUp/PgDn/Scrn etc for other stuff!
@flooperopt55502 ай бұрын
@@avoxtr What do you think and if do you have an opinion on logitech 502 or aerox 5, because i dont need those many buttons and it is kinda bulky and i have small hands.
@DrSharpSaw Жыл бұрын
My first MMO mouse was Utech Smart Venus (wired one). It was amazing. And I still have it. But then switched to a wireless mouse (Gamspeed V8 PRO). It's essentially the same mouse just wireless. My brother on the other hand, bought himself a Redragon. So I have experience with all these three. And I have to say, Redragon is not a good mouse. The quality of materials is bad, it's all glossy and slippery, buttons on the side are annoying and loud. Gamspeed V8 PRO and Utech Smart Venus, on the other hand - they won my heart. Both mice are working even after 2 years of abusing them.
@The308847 ай бұрын
g600 all the way
@The308847 ай бұрын
I do have a sleeper setup though :D kzbin.infoEpwsqt0iMFE
@insanemang9983 Жыл бұрын
The 12 key mouse is almost essential to playing any mmo imo. It makes using abilities SO much easier than trying to reach your fingers across the keyboard.
@kullekusk8136 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, why do they make the side panel so tough to press? A standard mechanical keyboard style would suffice. Razer introduced the Naga like a decade ago with this style of side panel. Plain stupidity.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I find Razer's to be too easy to press, and SteelSeries too hard. This shouldn't be rocket science!
@kullekusk8136 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr Which of the Razer versions do you find the easiest? I actual want them to be rather too easy than too hard?
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Honestly from what I've seen, pretty much all of the current Naga series feels about the same, the only difference being that the latest Naga Pro V2 has a different switch option. So I'd just pick the form factor that suits you best!
@kullekusk8136 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr Okey, thanks! Is any of the models slimmer (less wide?)
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I wish! They're all the same basic shape and size, they just vary in weight and function. The 4 variants are: -Naga X: Simple wired version -Naga Left-Handed: Just a Naga X, but left-handed -Naga Trinity: Wired, with a swappable side plate (12 key, 6 key, or 2 key) -Naga V2 Pro: Wireless or Wired, swappable sides, and optional wireless charging dock/puck upgrade
@sh1ro9 Жыл бұрын
I'm so used to normal gaming mice with two extra buttons so when I started gw2, I had to do a lot of remapping till I felt good. And a pretty weird one at that. I don't have any key bound to auto attack except for mouse 1 cause I thought I'd be wasting a key as I only play in action camera. Then I remapped the rest of weapon skills into 1, 2, 3, 4. So it goes as mouse 1, 1, 2, 3, 4. I hate pressing fn keys with WASD so I remapped all profession skills into mouse 5, V, G, B, 5 and F1. Six profession keys are enough for me right now. I have mouse 4 as dodge and it feels really good. Primary mount is Z with all the mounts mapped to Shift + "key". I have Q has heal, E as util 1, R as util 2, C as util 3 and T as elite. Oh, I have Alt as a toggle between action camera and tab target.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
My eyes crossed while reading all of this 😂
@sh1ro9 Жыл бұрын
@@avoxtr I can feel it lol. My issue is that my brain is hard-wired to be always on at least two of WASD keys thanks to thousands of hours in csgo. So I had to figure a way out to accommodate that and I end up using basically all the keys surrounding WASD.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
Hey as long as it works for you, that's all that matters!
@TheDacane Жыл бұрын
You skimmed over the winner. The naga x is the least awful mmo mouse on the market, fair bit ahead of the aerox, both of which are leagues ahead of the rest. Naga x has the good buttons, optical switches, lightweight (i believe slightly lighter than the aerox), quality feat, and a para like cable. MMO mice suck in general and theres a reason I only use them on tab target PVkeybaord mmos like ff14 and swtor. I use a good mouse for GW2, but if your going to use one the naga x is the least awful. That said it is a chonky shape, and slimming it down would make it an actually good mosue.
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
I agree the Naga X is a REALLY good option, especially for the price. Personally I greatly prefer the shape of the Aerox 9, though, and having a wireless option is almost a requirement for me at this point. I'm hoping they update the Naga Pro in the near future!
@jeannetitor Жыл бұрын
im also of the opinion that you absolutely should not go with the corsair one, or any corsair hardware in general. abysmal customer support that takes ages to answer a simple question... iCue is easily the worst driver software across all these peripheral manufacturers, the quality of the scimitar rgb is also just bad for that price. they get the worn (double) click switch problem very early on and if you don't send it back in time within the warranty you'll be stuck trying to fix it yourself taking the thing apart and glueing some extra tiny layer of plastic so it can make contact properly. on the other hand i've been able to use a razer naga 2014 since... 2014 and only now is it starting to give me the worn switch problem after much intensive use, and it's not even that bad yet. i do however have my gripes with razer synapse 3, yes, version 3 specifically. i don't want to use it as it's essentially a keylogger as it monitors all your clicks and keystrokes (yes, read the fine print when you keep on clicking yes on the Terms of Use/Service...) to """optimise""" user experience. some of the others may do this too so you may just want to watch out and probably just throw the software away after saving settings on an onboard memory if it has one.
@Nosfferatous Жыл бұрын
and how meny of the mice you just presentedaregone GET YOU BAN on diferit games couse of ther software ?!?!?
@avoxtr Жыл бұрын
None, why would they? They just act like keyboards giving number inputs.
@nikgervae14 күн бұрын
iCUE is indeed terrible, abysmal, horrid software. The mouse itself is all right, but configuring it is a nightmare.