Every Johto Pokémon Game Freak Forgot

[@MandJTV]

I made a weird error in this video and said Shadow Lugia was introduced in the same gen as Lugia, something I know clearly not to be true. I am befuddled and ashamed, but you can make me feel better by buying merch hahahahahaha mandjtvmerch.com/

[@geonunes10]

Even if you made that mistake the rest of the argument still holds, that form can't be used in other games

[@w_w9038]

Hahaha

[@daltonwright6514]

Typhlosion should get a mega and g max cause it's the best

[@violentwhite0]

Bruh

[@Ichiyama22]

No, you suffer in your foolishness. I shan't but your merch. Also, I can't anyway since I don't get paid for another week

[@leafeon8956]

15:19 also giving Shuckle an evolution means that Shuckle will be able to use an Eviolite, making it's defenses even more insane

[@El_Mince]

Oh god

[@bulborb8756]

tbh....Shuckle is purely a wall and that's it, it's defensive stats are astronomical....and then literally everything else is bad

[@sethstudios6206]

Yeeees 😈

[@nightmare3642]

@@bulborb8756 It's also a hazard setter.

[@owen9781]

I want a shuckle evo now

[@collettiville]

For what it's worth, Ariados was gifted a signature move in Gen 7 that would actually be a pretty solid move if given to a pokemon with better stats.

[@bulborb8756]

yeah cause ariados has god awful stats, especially with how slow it is cause it doesn't have a single niche

[@Goldy12378]

Glad someone else remembered! I loved using my Toxic Thread Ariados in the Battle Tree, even though it wasn't very good

[@jumpingspiderjesusfreak6219]

Yeah still could benefit from an evolution. Would be cool if it had a regional form that mimicked Durant since theoretically part of Ariados’s design inspiration was an Ant-Mimic Jumping Spider.

[@bluebaron6811]

I loved my Ariados, whom I named "Sheeeeeeeesh". He got me a 50-streak in Doubles at the Battle Tree. I ran a bulky biased set with Toxic Thread, Sucker Punch, Baton Pass, and Fell Stinger.

[@Dionysus999]

Lol

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

It's worth mentioning Unown did get a buff in Legends Arceus by changing how Hidden Power worked. Now it's not just one type, but it picks a type the opponent is weak to. That's a pretty giant buff, considering that's Unown's only move.

[@MaxWelton]

And then Hidden Power was restored to its original functionality in SV

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

@@MaxWelton Non-existence? AFAIK it's not in SV at all.

[@areallyshortbrontothere]

Spiritoumb.

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

@@areallyshortbrontothere No Pokemon has Hidden Power in S&V. It doesn't even work if you were to transfer a Pokemon in, currently.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Amazing how much PLA fixed

[@CasualVideoGamer]

About mega forms: "not coming back anytime soon." Time decided to make a fool of this man.

[@Furina_Purrs]

Z-A is here

[@mdjayed9267]

the video is made before the announcment @@Furina_Purrs

[@santiagovirreira121]

Not that soon

[@NA-zz4ug]

@@santiagovirreira121It’s next year

[@hampuslundborg4187]

fr

[@squishvgc]

I know you counted getting the fairy type as special treatment for azumarill, but its also worth mentioning the fact that it was given the ability huge power in gen 3 when abilities were introduced. That plus the physical/special split in gen 4 made azumarill so strong. It's just been getting better and better over the years

[@brentrobinson3275]

It had huge power in gen 3? Are u sure. I thought it was only thick fat in gen 3 but in gen 4 he got huge power which started it getting buff and better

[@squishvgc]

@@brentrobinson3275 it had both huge power and thick fat in gen 3, but at that time all water moves were special so they were unaffected by huge power. In gen 4 there was the physical/special split so moves like waterfall became physical and could utilize huge power

[@aakwok9240]

@@squishvgc belly drun+huge power=shred

[@OtisCluck]

@@BrineOkale yeah it’s so useful when it immediately dies after using belly drum

[@ofirsoroka4264]

It's like wine: the more time passes, the better

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Personally, I've had an idea of Octillary evolving into a giant pirate ship that's also a giant squid, with canons under its suckers. I gave it the water/steel typing, and named it Kalarmada.

[@Lokear]

Oh my god, that name is absolute perfection. I'd love to see this officially

[@identity_undetermined]

Honestly, Dhelmise would be much more suited to have a pirate ship evolution

[@elfilin-to6dh]

I think it would fit better as Water/Steel

[@ofirsoroka4264]

K A L A R M A D A BABY!

[@dariogomezlopez3278]

DO NOT GIVE A POKÉMON WITH MOODY AN EVO

[@Unotuchable]

Wynaut was actually really important to making Wobuffett usable as it lets Wobuffett learn Encore which is huge since it takes away the need to predict what attack the opponent is using.

[@Tele-grammeREALPM7]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[@YesImJoeKing]

Yes

[@prasannabhat1997]

Well that is true but they could have added encore to wobuffett. Atleast it is good for wynaut memes

[@ParasaurolophusZ]

The only upside I can think of for baby forms is they let some Pokemon be encountered earlier than they normally would and give the satisfaction of getting one more evolution as you play. It's neat to, for example, get a Pichu at the start of SuMo and work with it to get it to Pikachu instead of just getting a Pikachu right off. Azurill is another one like that, and I remember catching one early on in my Pokemon Y game to use as my Water type in a playthrough. Better example might be something like Smoochum, since Jinx is almost always caught super late but Smoochum could be placed in the wild early, or Igglybuff, which you can get super early in SV, but Jigglypuff normally is an early/mid encounter instead of a route 1 encounter. It's not a lot, but it's one purpose for baby forms, I guess!

[@dustinwalls5960]

There’s a reason Rowlett, Oshawott, and Cyndaquil were the chosen mons to be starters. Each of their names hold a feudal Japanese reference in which Legends of Arceus was built around- feudal Japan. Not to discount the lack of love chikorita and todadile got but there were reasons.

[@dozzy9984]

At least they could've made Chikorita and Totodile accessible somewhere, since it sucks that both of those starters are just locked away from people for like 3 regions already. And the games that had them prominently are like almost 15 years old (the only other thing they even got in those years was being a gimmick reward for qr codes in gen 7). I love all 3 Johto starters and it sucks that only one was avalible in new games (not counting BDSP, since they are remakes - and they cut the whole dex after gen4, but I'm glad they are usable there). I get it that other starters are also absent most of the time (which also sucks, since pre Switch era games tried to make all previous starters somewhat relevant/accessible, even if they were post game or hidden content).

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

@@dozzy9984 all the past-gen starters are returning in the Indigo Disk DLC!

[@itslexactually]

I really wish they would bring back the “baby Pokémon in the wild have 3 perfect IVs” thing. It really gave an incentive to catch and raise them.

[@Predated2]

I mean, while that is nice in a way, a huge issue right now is that baby pokemon cannot breed, but are the result of breeding regardless of incense. Due to baby pokemon being much more common and a lot easier to catch, I kinda get the IV thing, but on the other hand, hypertraining kinda replaced that.

[@ldmtag]

In which gen it worked?

[@robertlupa8273]

@@ldmtag Gen 6. To be precise, any wild Pokemon in the "Undiscovered/No Eggs" group would be guaranteed tp have at least 3 perfect IVs. This was presumebly done to make getting competitive-ready Legendaries less painful, but a side effect of this made Baby Pokemon (which can't breed either) be affected by this too.

[@ir0nleviathan577]

I’d love to see Lanturn get a regional variant that’s Ghost/Water, having it be a guide for the souls of people who die at sea. A regional evolution on top of that would be awesome too.

[@dontnswerthat]

game freak needs to hire you asap

[@rhodu]

Maybe in a Greek region! As the farer to the underworld!

[@Pokochi6699]

@@dontnswerthat for real.

[@jmck1701]

@@dontnswerthat I said that EXACT same thing when I read Leviathan's comment 😂😂 that idea is so sick

[@markkart]

since its based of an angler, give it shadow tag or name it differently but same effect. They could name it lure or something. basically enemy pokemon is lured in and so can't switch out

[@wahyudim.khalifa5803]

19:54 rewatching this after the Gen 9 DLC announcement officially revealed Paradox Suicune as Walking Wake Edit: Paradox Raikou and Entei for Indigo Disk as Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire, respectively

[@maryannmcconnell1049]

Yeah from the future I can confirm they got paradoxes

[@thekiingc7]

also from the future , but a bit farther -- can confirm the person above me came from the future to confirm your time stamp

[@Alouette_EXE]

I can actually see Sunflora's potential to evolve. I'd like to imagine Sunflora's evolution being a Grass/Fire type because it's a "sun" flower. Kinda like if Volcarona was a flower.

[@Rubywing4]

I highly doubt Sunflora will ever get an evolution, concidering it's a stone evo, and so far they have all been final evos. I don't know how stone evos would be able to evolve further unless GameFreak introduces a new fancy hyper-stone evolution method or such. But if such a method were to be created in, say, gen 10, Delcatty DESPERATELY needs an evolution as well, being the actual worst stone evo, even worse than Sunflora, at least imo, idk if some genuises have figured out a way to make Delcatty pseudo-OP in some way while Sunflora is still just playing hide and seek in plant pots.

[@Alouette_EXE]

@@Rubywing4 and why not both? There plenty of unexpected evolutions gamefreak did. Like people barely expected bisharp end primape to evolve.

[@Rubywing4]

@@Alouette_EXE The thing is, the new unexpected evolutions were on mons that either have no evos or evolved through level-up, not stone evos. Not sure what you mean by "both", if you mean Delcatty and Sunflora, I mean, I never said either needs an evo more than the other, they both need evos desparately. I'm just saying, Sunflora has pretty good Sp. Attack but bad everything else, while Delcatty has bad stats across the board, the only good stat being its speed at 90, which is only decent.

[@Alouette_EXE]

@@Rubywing4 well i mean both Delcatty and Sunflora. And it doesn't matter if Sunflora is a stone evo or it has a high special attack. Gamefreak always has different weird mechanics on how to evolved certain pokemon and it is still a fact that Sunflora is a first evolution so it still has a room to evolve.

[@Rubywing4]

@@Alouette_EXE I know it has room for an evolution, I'm just doubtful it will get one because stone evos so far have never gained an additional evo beyond pre-evos, which has not helped their case at all. But hey, who knows? Maybe GameFreak will surprise us with breaking their unspoken rule of stone evos in future gens.

[@alecholloway1113]

I know they already had the dialga/Celebi time travel stuff in the mystery dungeon series but it just makes so much sense to tie them into scarlet and violet DLC with time travel being such a focal point of the games. Dialga is already featured in Legends Arceus and could be a great way to tie that in and Celebi could be used as a way to explain bringing the paradox Pokemon to the present

[@BeepBoopBee]

It's certainly interesting to think about, but I disagree with it making sense. Dialga is from hisui/sinnoh, which is based on Hokkaido in Japan. Celebi is also from a region based on a place in Japan. Scarlet and Violet take place in what is very Spanish/Portuguese. The looks and feels of Dialga and Celebi don't fit neatly with the region. The time travel machine fits much better, both in the story and as design. A product of a professor becoming obsessed with learning more about this strange place and it's past/future, which has become out of control and sucking more and more pokemon from other times into the present. And aside from that, it would be really weird to have a legendary Pokemon from a different region play a main role in games that take place in a completely different region on the other side of the world. Legends Arceus and the mystery dungeon had legendaries play a role in the story where their home region is (near), so that was much less jarring

[@ujjwolchaulagain6479]

Lugia and Luigi sound like they could be two box art legendaries.

[@A_snowy_day]

Yes

[@JC_JN4]

Luigia

[@zacharygate9842]

Luigi time.

[@YesImJoeKing]

@@JC_JN4 The fusion

[@ozzie6447]

it’s a me, the legendary pokémon

[@GOODisforLUCK]

10:27 aged like milk

[@typlosionattack8595]

Delibird and Stantler getting evos/forms has made me so unbelievably happy. Two of my favorite Pokemon. I also love both of Donphony

[@bulborb8756]

i mean Johto is home to a lot of pokemon that are underwhelming

[@typlosionattack8595]

@@bulborb8756 True... But it's also my favorite region

[@AustinSPTD1996]

Delibird never got any new forms.

[@Taylorperchasemccarthy]

@@AustinSPTD1996 Iron Bundle is close enough as it’s very explicitly a future Delibird, while it’s not coded as a Delibird it is for all purposes a new form of Delibird, just under a different dex entry

[@robertlupa8273]

> Donphony

[@MasterPlan1P]

I actually think an evo for Octillery could work really well. If you give it the same treatment as Dracopult where it can use Remoraids like guns it can pull out. Make it an armory of sorts, have it evolve into a squid even. So more tentacles, Remoraids stored in its body, and then it would come full circle with the whole "gun fish" motif.

[@EnriqueLaberintico]

Glocktopus.

[@soulkeeper7691]

maybe a cthulu that is controlled my a remoraid in an egg

[@connaeris8230]

No it clearly has to evolve into a jellyfish. They have even more tentacles and are from a different phylum, which is perfect for that nonsensical evolution line.

[@p-doggo5787]

Machine gun fishes

[@xS3T0x]

@@EnriqueLaberintico yooooooo that's a name I can get behind

[@jarrodnisly3333]

Idea for Xatu evo: Xanatu (based off the concept of Xanadu, but following the naming convention of its pre-evs) Ghost/Flying After having gazed into the future for so many years, it was finally able to peer into the afterlife. What it saw was so shocking, this pokemon passed away due to shock.

[@Semudara]

Reminds me of how Gothitelle will have visions of how the universe ends and just casually shares them with other Pokémon. xD

[@Chadegon1693]

Cool concept. Kinda like annihilape who got so angry that he died

[@---oq5kb]

Wouldn't Ghost/Psychic be better assuming that it's not a bird anymore?

[@wafflehead27]

THANK U THANK U THANK U THANK U IF THIS HAPPENED IT WOULD BE FOR ME THE SAME REACTION OF ANNIHILAPE

[@tobi_versace]

The mega evolution not coming back anytime soon comment didn't age well lol

[@MnwklrGlx]

Meanwhile legends ZA

[@galixypawerpack]

Legends ZA: *’Welcome to the gates.’*

[@RiverJaguar]

😂legen ZA right now

[@DragonGo-j2l]

That’s aged well

[@Portalort]

Mega Jumpluff coming soon

[@TetrAegis]

3:46 Technically, Ledian did get some new content in Gen 5 as part of Pokéstar Studios as a trainer, ironically. It was part of the “Timegate Traveler” series and the enemy trainer was a Ledian holding a spear and was called “Future-Being Ledian” since in the movie made, it ended up that the protagonist went to a future where Pokémon control people. Not necessarily a new Ledian form, but a cool fact that a lot of people overlook

[@loganevens3581]

Cool but Jesus Christ you didn't have to write a S.A.

[@aigis0423]

Oh I forgot about that! Pokestar Studios was a trip

[@Rootspring.]

@@loganevens3581 ...essay

[@geonunes10]

Maybe because almost no one played the pokestar studios side quest? It definetely doesn't count as love, making it as a focus point in a piece of a sidequest that everyone overlooks

[@StarLee_]

@@loganevens3581 that’s not nearly an essay it just looks like it because the format is upwards

[@betabee1221]

I feel Ledian actually has the highest chance of any early route bug to get something. It just feels like it has more potential than the others

[@bluebaron6811]

Just make it a golden bug-angel-thing with winged boots. There. Excellent idea.

[@andreicuisinecapital]

Ledian does have the most potential. They better give it something.

[@nadle7459]

New Pokémon forfortress megmegmagniem

[@heroichitsuji]

Ledian looks awesome. Such an obscure pokémon but i think it looks so dang cool. Like a bug Astro-boy. I would totally be with them leaning into that more and going for another Bug x Steel type.

[@RazingFeinyx]

Make him bug/fighting

[@felipeborquez6370]

Ash-Greninja is available through the Pokémon SM demo so...that was the truly first case of a starter getting a unique form while the others didn't

[@youtube-kit9450]

Yeah, that was weird to say "First time in Pokémon history where one starter got a new form and the others did not" Greninja in gen 6 got literally everything served to him on a silver platter and Chesnaught and Delphox got shafted about a hundred ways to sunday. Imo, those two by far are the most shafted starters in history, not getting any new forms, not having any treatment, be it special or not, being both completely and utterly overshadowed by the gen 1 starters getting megas and being shoved down our throats *and* Greninja getting absurd anime exposure, a new form, a busted-ass secret ability (two if you count its other form) and so on and not being obtainable in a *single game* since X/Y, literally. You only can get them in S/M/USUM by trading them in from a game (aka X/Y) and not any way like other starters with island scan or something, you can't get them in gen 8 and gen 9... oh wait, you can. Guess which one. Yup, Greninja. The Johto starters are a case of generally not getting enough exposure until Typhlosion got some with its Hisuian form, but imo Chesnaught and Delphox are the starters that truly drew the shortest end of the stick when compared to its compatriots. Gen 5 also will have super shafted starters until the gen 5 remakes, to be clear. But even they were playable and obtainable in more games, having a pair of games and their sequels. Delphox and Chesnaught don't even have a third version.

[@linhardtvonhevring7262]

The only thing Chesnaught and Delphox have gotten since X and Y was Braixen being playable in Pokkén Tournament, which hardly counts IMO.

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

@@linhardtvonhevring7262 Delphox is playable in Pokemon Unite (the Pokemon themed MOBA game)

[@afriendlycampfire260]

@@fadhilmulyono9230 greninja is *everywhere*

[@andressoto5684]

He forgot Ash-Greninja is the first time a starter got something the others didn't get anything

[@FiddleSticks416]

10:34 oh, it's coming back alright

[@Snqwy]

18:21 Corviknight: Am I a joke to you?

[@misk-ivus2990]

As a person who loved Misdreavus, you could imagine my excitement seeing Flutter Mane in Area Zero having never heard of it before playing the game.

[@londlock]

Also, Flutter Mane is a Ghost/Fairy type. Meaning that after all these years, Mimikyu is no longer alone.

[@rachelf9686]

Noticing that most of the early Johto dex and the legendaries are featured in New Pokémon Snap - hopefully a sign that they've not been forgotten about and could possibly get something later!

[@ProfWollhoven]

MandJTV: We need more evolutions for Johto Pokemon. Gamefreak: Oh you mean like Xaxatu and Shushuckle? Yeah, we can do this.

[@justinchannel128]

To play devil’s advocate for baby forms: they DO allow trainers to get Pokémon previously overlooked or previously rare a lot earlier(such as sudowoodo and snorlax…..though munchlax’s debut was anything but common) While the baby forms are DEFINETY not upgrades, they make up for it by making trainers discover Pokémon a lot sooner

[@Ditto.007]

I love them because they're cute too. I mean who wouldn't want pichu to not exist????

[@Jadizi]

Baby pokemon are the best. They learn odd moves for their typing and have strong status effects. I wish we had MORE baby Pokemon. Igglybuff is my favorite Pokemon of all time.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

This. The whole point of them is to get a leg in early on those super strong later game Pokémon. Now admittingly some of them are probably not all that useful in that regard- Igglybuff and Jigglypuff are generally found around the same location at comparable levels. The same can be said if Azuril and Marill or Pichu and Pikachu. But there’s still the primary benefit you mentioned. Most babies have access to moves that the older forms do not have. Besides they’re honestly kind of cool. Elekid and Magby are surprisingly strong for their size. Riolu, too, is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Smoochum is also similarly strong. A fair few of the babies are kept locked off from too many stronger moves by having a limited TM pool, but not all of them.

[@BearWith_You]

Elekid and Magby evolving at 30 instead of friendship was actually genius cause in Gen 1 Electabuzz and Magmar couldn't be lower. These are the only 2 babies I wanna use cause they actually work like more traditional party members

[@MagusAgrippa8]

@@BearWith_You They’re also surprisingly strong and have a huge variety of moves. I’d argue they’re as good or better than first form starters. Munchlax is in a similar vein, being pretty bulky and capable of hitting hard even without evolving.

[@alphabetsoup6837]

I was genuinely surprised Sunflora got nothing in gen 9. Especially since it had a focus from the grass leader. It could've absolutely gotten a new Evo in Scarlet and Violet.

[@gab_gabriel7091]

To be fair, Meganium was given a lot of focus in New Pokemon Snap and was even the mascot for that game's gimmick

[@Joey3264]

Im one of the few players that like the chikorita family, id love a grass/fairy legends form❤️ (change celebi to a grass/fairy while were at it)

[@pur0.]

​@@Joey3264 chikorizzta

[@mrmochii407]

Yeah but New Pokemon Snap isn't a mainline game and it isn't that popular

[@prayagsuthar9856]

So basically they _did_ give it love...a little bit...in an indirect way. So now Feraligatr is the last one to get that sort of treatment.

[@monk3110]

@@Joey3264yea fairy does fit them. Meganium is super cute

[@dogmechanix]

The Sunflora "puzzle" was my favorite on SV. Supes adorbs seeing those happy boys prancing behind you.

[@clydae]

I would love to see Noctowl get the Dark typing. As a kid I remember hoothoot being so exciting because it was the first pokemon you could encounter that only spawned at night, something that wasn't present in the first games. I just thought that was so neat, so I think a Dark typing would be a nice nod to that.

[@476233]

That’s such a good point!

[@CoffeeFlavoredMilk]

A cool idea I could see is pulling a Lycanroc and having its evolution have forms with unique attributes based on time of day, though in this case typings. One is Dark/Flying, One Psychic/Flying, and maybe one Ghost/Flying. Yes two of those overlap with Oricorio which also has alternate forms but I think you can something different with Noctowl. Also I dunno I just think the concept of a "day owl" Pokemon kinda amusing in a way given its an inverse of basic animal biology.

[@robertlupa8273]

I can't really see Noctowl as a Dark type. It looks a bit scary, sure, but it doesn't strike me as "malicious" or "one that doesn't fight fair." Oh you meant that it's a nocturnal Pokemon? Yeah, no, that's not what the Dark type is about.

[@zarthimusprime]

20:17 Unless I’ve missed something, this is incorrect. Lugia is Gen 2 and it’s Shadow form is from XD in Gen 3. That being said, these videos are phenomenal! I particularly like the idea of a Fire/Steel Magcargo to remove it from the colossal shadow of… well, Coalossal.

[@SKsuprakirby]

Yes, XD is gen 3. but you can't use it on command unlike Megas and Gigamaxes

[@zarthimusprime]

@@SKsuprakirby True, but I was just pointing out that he said Lugia and Shadow Lugia are from the same generation.

[@MandJTV]

I have no idea how I made that error lol

[@g1lbert0]

@@MandJTV lol

[@zarthimusprime]

@@MandJTV Lol it’s all good. Is your video still top notch? Hail yeah!

[@hydrosphagus9672]

16:51 Speaking of regional form, imagine an Australian Pokemon region where Octillery becomes Water/Poison based on blue-ringed octopus.

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

Forgot to mention that Remoraid is required to evolve Mantyke

[@rangerecho]

it's been almost two years, we need a Hoenn version soon

[@JudgementsEclipse]

Ever since jumpluff got in my scarlet team as a meme, but ended carrying my team, it will always have a place in my heart

[@alexmckee4683]

Yeah I was surprised at how good Jumpluff is in Violet. I caught a Hoppip for old times sake never having actually used it it properly in GSC, and in Violet Jumpluff has become one of my favourite Pokémon to use.

[@ofirsoroka4264]

I wanted to use it, but I was locked on Spregatito and also got a Flechling

[@OmegazeroX20]

Yooo facts I named mines puffy and it was my mvp for some gym battles and titan pokemon mega drain and bullet seed saved me

[@ricefarmer8228]

Mikey: *complains about not having a big metal bird* Corviknight: am I a joke to you?

[@TheLadySilverMoon]

I think the best they could do for Sunflora, was either evolve it or give it a secondary type - like fairy. Sunflora using Dazzling gleam or play rough just makes sense to me.

[@robertlupa8273]

Or a more sun-like one that's Grass/Fire. But I could kinda see Grass/Fairy too.

[@thegreatjman1999]

"This marks the first time that only one starter got a new form while the other two did not" Greninja: 🤨

[@The73MPL4R]

I never realized how much love Johto Pokémon have gotten from the last couple games until this video and hopefully we see more now that permanent evolutions seem to be back on the table as of SV

[@eaglest0554]

Honestly Xatu is another one that would work really well as evolving into a ghost type. It already spends its time gazing into the past and future, you could give it like a "While trying to solve the mysteries of the past and future, this pokemon neglected its wellbeing in the present. Now that it's evolved, it's practically become one with the flow of time. Do wrong by it, and you might find yourself fading out of existence as it prevents your parents from ever meeting in the past."

[@ofirsoroka4264]

God...

[@gameman3981]

Now that would be neat.

[@violetbean8928]

ಠ_ಠ

[@katelundberg2029]

I can't believe I was gaslight into questioning whether Tropius was actually released in gen 2 and I just wasn't realizing it since, like Skarmory and Magcargo, it fits in almost better with gen 3 than gen 2. I had to look it up to realize that Tropius specifically fits better in gen 3 because it was released in gen 3, the other 2 were just kinda unutilized in gen 2 and more prominent in gen 3

[@prayagsuthar9856]

Idk about Skarmory, but I personally thought that _Houndoom_ and Magcargo were Gen 3 Pokémon. I first saw them in Colosseum, and thought they fit the Gen 3 style, so they must be from Gen 3. Nope! They're Gen 2. Gen 2 Pokémon are just weird like that...kind of random and mismatched.

[@Random89673]

2:00 actually the starters they chose are the ones they are because of their inspiration and how it relates to the japanese(?) themes of hisui, a samurai, an archer, and a honeybadger (if that’s what typhlosion is). And they chose a honeybadger bc it has smth to do w a samurai yokai (not fully sure if I got all the details right but you get the point)

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

Typhlosion is more like Shogun theme

[@elmsigreen]

I'd love an evolution for Sudowoodo that has decorated itself with leaves and vines and is now a Rock/Grass type since it has incorporated enough plants to actually count as a plant. Kinda like how Bulbasaur and Paras have things growing from them and therefore gain the Grass typing.

[@kirbyyy7230]

A teeny-tiny thing Meganium got recently, is that it's the mascot Pokémon of New Pokémon Snap and was one of those special Illumina Pokémon ...but I guess that's not much. Anyways, super fun video! I hope you make more of these for future generations! :)

[@adammorin2955]

I think he means in the main line generation games

[@RGC_animation]

It's not even the mascot (that would be Xerneas), it's just kinda like a midboss.

[@unbind_all]

@@RGC_animation ​ Being a box legendary doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the mascot. In advertising, and even on the box itself, Meganium is treated as the main showcase for the Illumina phenomenon, treating all the others, Xerneas included, as spoilers. So yeah, mascot.

[@CyberchaoX]

Yeah, that's true. Meganium hasn't gotten any love in mainline games but it was an Illumina Pokémon and was featured prominently on the box.

[@Armuks]

Came down looking for this comment. I agree. True, it's not a new variant or mega, but it's still something. And yes, Snap wasn't made by Game Freak, so technically they did forget, but someone remembered. I think it deserves at least an honorable mention.

[@matigamer329]

I think Skarmory didn't get a new evolution is because it would make Skarmory hold the eviolite, which boost the defense and special defense by 50% but only works if the pokémon can still evolve. Add the fact that it's only weak to fire and electric and its high physical defense and you get a Toxapex 2.0.

[@CoffeeFlavoredMilk]

Eviolite Skarmory vs Skarmory evolution would basically be Chansey vs Blissey 2.0 if all they did was just make the Skarm evolution have better defenses or w/e. I think they should go a route that sets the evolution apart to give a reason to use one over the other. Think Porygon2 vs Porygon-Z. Maybe give it a lot more offensive pressure, change the type even. I remember one time I saw someone make a Fakemon evolution of Skarmory that was, of all types, Steel/Dragon.

[@ofirsoroka4264]

That can be a Rhydon vs Rhyperior 2.0 because you can give Skarmory eviolite and make it insanity bulk, but he has to hold the eviolite while it's Evo can hold other items

[@trinketmage8145]

And it already was a top tier competitive mon in every generation before Corviknight outclassed it.

[@smackerooonii7001]

I feel that a Future Paradox Ledian would be pretty cool. It wouldn't improve actual Ledian but aside from a new evolution which would be likely to mess up the designs simplicity, it seems like a good compromise.

[@ShadowOfChaos13]

To be fair, even without an upgrade, Crobat is still a very solid ‘mon on its own. Defense typing, well rounded stats, high speed, and decent move coverage. Add in the fact that you can get it stupidly early in gens ii-iv due to it being a friendship evolution, and zubats generally being early encounters. Also, I need a Legends: Celebi, and for my boy Feralgatr to get some love.

[@KhanMann66]

Fera needs a dark typing to compliment the Sheer Force ability.

[@leargamma4912]

It's also great in gen6

[@Mr.Beeman]

If it's legends celebi Feraligatr would just be a wild encounter, like the sinnoh starters in arceus

[@sentient_typewriter]

@@Mr.Beeman Legends Jirachi, then?

[@samuellawrencesbookclub8250]

I'd say that Sudowoodo has had some special treatment from how it was highlighted in the Scarlet and Violet trailers as Brassius' ace, and a showcase for Terrastalizing

[@umwha]

It terrastalised yes but that’s not unique to it

[@Door227]

He’s considering special treatment as something that changes in later gens

[@bluebaron6811]

Now we need an evolution called "Couldowoodo." You know "Shoulda woulda, coulda woulda"

[@justicemarie7403]

Glad to see a Mikey video just chilling and talking about Pokemon I love these chill videos (I love the high energy videos with John but this is nice too)

[@CrimpyPlate]

9:48 What makes it worse is that Munchlax has a BST of 390. Making it only 20 points weaker than Sudowoodo. A fully evolved pokemon

[@Nexx06]

For what its worth, Forretress got a visual upgrade in Scarlet and Violet. It looks metallic with its shiny looking awesome as heck.

[@NAcHO-wx5vg]

At least forretress is in the game. There’s a few gen 2 mons that aren’t.

[@bluewolfie1249]

Yeah, and then it makes me pull my hair out, after it explodes because the only Pokemon I own with damp, is a Swampert trapped in gen 8.

[@Jay7707]

It also got access to body press.

[@RedMadMichael]

So excited to see this series continue, glad you waited for SV too!

[@RandomTortue]

Mikey, Your light-hearted tone, goofy comedy, and dedication to loosely following the scientific method have brought much joy to my house. My partner and I have both been struggling through a rough time and putting your videos on helps us feel more hopeful. Thank you so much for your content

[@pengun4u8329hjd]

10:22 "It would need a mega evo, which arent coming back any time soon" aged very well

[@JacobKrone-y5p]

Lol

[@SamDisconnected]

xd

[@Weavileiscool]

I really want regional forms to be available in other regions, like Paldean forms maybe being available in Kalos since they’re based on places so close to each other in real life.

[@TheJayWay101]

They're regional though.

[@BJGvideos]

@@TheJayWay101 Yeah but you gotta figure things like American robins being found in Canada and Mexico, right?

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

The two Pokémon with Paldean forms already live in Kalos, so that's a bust.

[@heroichitsuji]

@@pkmntrainermark8881 what do you mean?

[@romantheblack-cat]

Kanto is based on a region of jspan which is a continent away from the spanish peninsula which åaldea is based on

[@aotako407]

I think for Wobbufet.. there's a way to make him interesting. As we all know, the blue body isn't real. It's real body its his tail (black part). So for his upgrade, the black part should show its trueself and this time, Wobbufet aren't a gimmick pokemon no more

[@robertlupa8273]

*I AM A SHADOW [TAG]* *THE **_TRUE_** SELF!*

[@khailrosil2920]

A lot of the mons had an upgrade via the introduction of Hidden Abilities. Xatu was used because of Magic Bounce, Feraligatr was given Sheer Force and was able to acquire Dragon Dance. These, for me, were good upgrades.

[@netweed09]

Thank you! 👍 Plus, it's strange why _every_ single Pokémon 'needs' to be buffed?? Of all ironies - wasn't it the Elite 4 member, Karen who put out the ''Strong Pokémon, Weak Pokémon'' quote? Some Pokémon are simply to be admired for their design, as art. Look at Lumineon. In fact, I feel _too_ many Pokémon have received attention from Gamefreak!!!!!!!!

[@LuscaSharktopus]

1:10 actually, the first time a starter got a new form without the other two getting anything was Greninja gaining the Ash forms, while Delphox and Chesnaught getting nothing

[@hensleydodson5733]

And besides that, Samurott and Decidueye got something but the other gen 5 and gen 7 starters got nothing, so people who know what legends Arkoos is but not Ash-Greninja would also complain about that.

[@MHTheOwlHouser]

​​@shadowdragonemperor4250I'm guessing you mean "anime original". Which sure, it did show up first in the anime, but it's not an anime exclusive thing since you can get Greninja with battle bond in games through events, it has it's own base stat total of 640 which is massive compared to it's regular base stat total of 530 and it has been used in Online competitive play, meaning it's usable and ultimately has the edge over it's other fellow starters because of that.

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

​@@hensleydodson5733All Alola starters got their signature Z-Moves in Gen 7, but Rowlet is the only one to get another later gen love in Gen 8 in the form of Hisuian Decidueye

[@Fawxo]

I know smeargle doesn’t really need anything but a concept I’ve thought of is if it had a regional form where instead of it being a painter, it was more digital art based; so it’s tail could be a tablet pen, it could have several colors to represent the color wheel, maybe a paw pattern that resembles an art glove, etc!

[@Door227]

I always thought it would be cool if it was like meowth and got multiple regional forms that each represents diffrent art forms

[@robertlupa8273]

Paradox Smeargle? :o

[@jaycomplexkidrandle1889]

That's a great idea. Clever indeed 👍🏾

[@zeldzamezeeslak6082]

That would be the most unneeded pokemon ever

[@pocketscarf]

As someone who *loves* the designs for most of the Johto mons but wishes they were more useable, it's been really cool seeing them get more love over the years. Definitely agree with you on most points here. Gen 2 has my favorite starter trio designs overall, and I really hope to see the other two get new forms. Especially one that makes the chikorita line better. That line has really appealing designs that I love dearly, but it's ultimately mediocre compared to other grass starters. Pair it up with something like steel or ground, and its more bulky nature would really shine.

[@findtheshuaibs3888]

10:58 missed opportunity to say Dino-SOAR

[@matigamer329]

An update for this video: - Ursaring got a new form called Bloodmoon Ursaluna. - Raikou, Entei and Suicune in the end got each a paradox form called Raging Bolt, Couging Fire and Walking Wake respectively.

[@CuppzGeo]

Gouging

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

hope that Game Freak selects either Chikorita or Totodile for Legends Z-A and also Mega Evolutions are coming back in ZA

[@MunchyMakesStuff]

So fun thing, I actually got challenged to design more unowns by a friend and decided to make them another gimmick for my specific region. My region has a very deep and mostly unexplored cave system that houses some strange stones that have allowed the unown to, over time, gain new typings and abilities. They are based off of the statues effects, and they can only learn moves that cause/can cause said effect. Touching them also has a very likely chance of causing the effect they embody.

[@EnriqueLaberintico]

I once thought of a goofy idea of more punctuation sign Unown with them having different ability. Unown full stop has Shadow Tag because we write a full stop so that the letters don't scape.

[@gameman3981]

That's interesting.

[@Theobisiteats]

3:01 “Pidgeot being the only one to get anything” *Corvinight has left the chat*

[@namkwal]

well... thats also the only generally actually great pokemon in gen 8 so

[@XSoulfire]

⁠@@namkwal “The only great one” Have you ever heard of Toxtricity, Dragapult, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Duraludon, and so many more?

[@buldrahilgaming9140]

Im not really in favor to give Unown a new form myself, but it came to mind that they could make an "exodia" form. So if you have them all they could fuse together making a really strong, big pokemon with all letters. It would still just know hidden power though, but would have an intense increase in stats. Would also give you some kinda trophy to collect them all.

[@cameronnaylor4046]

Call it "Rosetta" named after the Rosetta Stone!

[@JCDragon2819]

I always thought Unown should have gotten its own exclusive Z-Move based off of Hidden Power that deals super-effective damage to all types regardless of combinations and abilities.

[@ofirsoroka4264]

@@cameronnaylor4046 better name is Spellseta

[@logangould9918]

I've had a very cool idea for a Shuckle evolution. Give it like a multi layer stack of rotating shells that it can shoot juice out of. Keep the defense and maybe bump the attacks just a very tiny bit. After taking a certain amount or type of damage the shells break, like Eiscue, and after that slash the defense but shoot up the attacks and speed. Boom, new Shuckle.

[@TheyCallMeDio]

Fun fact: The word for owl in Bahasa Indonesia is "burung hantu" which literally translates to "ghost bird". Mikey's suggestion about Noctowl getting Ghost typing actually makes sense

[@ericriley1985]

Decidueye is Ghost type.

[@gatto_1189]

You can continue the series "___ type: then versus now"(or something like this i don't remember). I think fire type can be pretty interesting, because it's type chart changed twice(with steel type addition and fairy type addition) and things like Charizard and his attention (megas, gigantamaxes etc.) And fire/fighting starters trend could be worth mentioning.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Plus those Pokémon are so hospitable, warm hearted, and beautiful too!

[@masterofchaos7282]

Idea for a Unown upgrade: A new ability called Power of the Unown. Gives Unown a 1 stage boost to all its stats equal to the number of Unown in the party (I.e. +1 to all if there’s 1 Unown and +6 if the whole team is Unown).

[@hux0rd]

that would actually be nice. It would go down a stage per Unown defeated. So it won't be as broken as Houndstone with Last respects haha

[@HolyCow0273]

What about something similar to Wishi Washi.

[@adammorin2955]

Maybe give unknown a proper move then just hidden power bam it’s already better

[@bluebaron6811]

Idea: A new Pokémon called "Unomenon", who acts as sort of an overlord for the Unown. Sort of like Carbink/Diancie.

[@adammorin2955]

@@bluebaron6811 1. It will never happen since the unknown are as powerful as arceus. Assuming they are his hands that arceus’s pokedex says. 2. There is no overload for diancie/carbink and they are not releated at all that we know of. 3. Unknown only knows hidden power and they need actual moves not base stats etc.

[@ZakkuTakku]

It is surprising how Lugia in particular hasn't gotten anything special after gen 2 since I remember it being very popular at the time of it's debut. Even during the early phases of Pokemon Go, I remember how people in my area got really excited when Niantic first announced that Lugia would be added to legend raid battles, and that was a good handful of years ago now lol. At least among those of us who were around back when Gold and Silver first came out, Lugia is one of the most beloved legendary pokemon! So it still baffles me to this day that aside from Shadow Lugia, which as you said doesn't count for the criteria of this video, Lugia has gotten practically no love from Gamefreak since then....

[@bfeldz1023]

Interestingly enough for Wynaut specifically, it actually made a big difference in the singles meta when it was introduced. A "lower bst Wobbuffet" was actually exactly what the mon needed to see play in a format. In this case, little cup, where it stands as currently the only pokemon in the format with access to Shadow Tag. Combined with its excellent for LC 95 base HP and it stands as a unique and powerful trapper. Is it the best, no, but it has made a splash in the format more than once.

[@robertlupa8273]

Funny how you say _"it has made a splash in the format"_ because Wynaut actually _does_ learn Splash.

[@Alec2cool]

Hey Michael, I just discovered your channel a week or so back and I've been enjoying every minute of it. It's a great ride while also being very informative, your personality is a blast. Keep rockin' on man

[@Nightingale_time]

Welcome to the community! You should check out the mandjtvplays channel too-it's a lot of fun!!

[@Alec2cool]

@@Nightingale_time I'll give it a look, much appreciated!

[@camera-is-me2606]

I know you mentioned the fairy typing, but I think granbull should get more. It’s stats are… fine but they could be better and I personally like granbull and would like more love for it.

[@KhanMann66]

Add fighting type to it and boost its stats. Too many new Pokémon getting power boosts while the og Pokémon doesn’t get any love.

[@OmnicidalClown1992]

20:11 Minor correction, but Shadow Luigi was introduced in Gen III, not Gen II. Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness was a GameCube that was introduced during the Gen III era, and therefore Lugia did get a new, albeit temporary, form in a future generation after it's introduction.

[@Toadiferous]

I always liked the idea of a regional Noctowl that looks like a snowy owl and is Ice/Psychic. Hisui would've been a great opportunity for that

[@silversalamence10]

Fun fact about Mantine, even though Man-teen is how it's pronounced these days in the anime, during the 4Kids era, the species used BOTH pronunciations, Man-tyne during the Johto saga (and Movie 3) and moving to Man-teen in the special set before Brock headed to Hoenn. I still use Man-tyne to this day because it was the original pronunciation.

[@originalcharacter7598]

1 thing about the older bugs some if them actually were given more stat points in gen 6 or 7 and some were even give quiver dance, I remember sweeping teams in random battle with a quiver dance masquerain it was very fun

[@insecdroid]

“Unless it get’s a Mega Evolution, and those aren’t coming back anytime soon.” A year later: …Well-

[@et34t34fdf]

I think Celebi belong on this list, its been more or less forgotten for some time now, i would like to see a new form, grass/fairy, and some new tools to go along with it.

[@banjo-kazooie]

It DID get the event added in virtual console so that's why its be relevant status is still...somewhat...recent even if it wasn't a new form for it.

[@JohnDoe-df7bl]

I think there should be a new Unown form that you can get after collecting all the Unown forms. They could give it a base stat total of 680. The same as each member of the creation trio.

[@alphalycan_roc55]

But if this new form kept the same move pool, it would need to make the base attack stat 0 to make the most of that new 680 base stat total

[@PKMNResearcherSkyler]

That or a new ability based on all the forms coming together and creating something stronger like wishiwashi has

[@prof.reuniclus21]

Unown-Lexicon, and probably more moves than it has currently.

[@eclipsedarksouls6036]

@@PKMNResearcherSkyler i like that idea, and perhaps while in that form hidden power could always be super effective

[@EnriqueLaberintico]

Instead of just one ability, Levitate, Protean and Unown Force. The latter doubles its special attack if another Unown is in the field. And it stacks, for that sweet powerlift gimmick.

[@Nagrom92]

Wynaut actually was an upgrade. It did increase Wobb's moveset, Tickle and Encore have been a decent upgrade to the moveset, Encore is especially good since you can counter set up Pokémon that give Wobbuffet issues.

[@Marandahir]

"Unless it's a Mega Evolution - and those aren't coming back any time soon." Hilarious in hindsight.

[@cheddarsmith6568]

"A bigger metal bird" (skarmory, 18:27) Wtf is corviknight? A penguin?

[@Dragon_Muenster]

A penguin is a bird

[@Lumberjack_king]

14:43 I refuse to accept dundunsparse they were trolling us

[@silverpumpkin1529]

You mentioned how giving Sudowoodo an evolution/regional form would change too much because of its theme, so i think giving it a Convergent line would be perfect! You'd be able to make another sudowoodo without changing the original sudowoodo!

[@TheZenithBladeMaster]

And make it Grass type

[@bluebaron6811]

@@TheZenithBladeMaster it could be like "people are so used to knowing Sudowoodo isn't actually a plant, but they'll never see this coming."

[@peterrealar2.067]

Or have Sudowoodo gain moss to make it Rock/Grass. Heck, even make the moss its own Pokemon.

[@unitds27-delta]

​@@peterrealar2.067kinda like Dhelmise

[@peterrealar2.067]

@@unitds27-delta Yeah, like that.

[@deerlife8]

3:00 Actually, Corviknight got a Gigantamax form, so Pidgeot was not the only one to get something.

[@futurecereal1505]

Can we all agree micheal does not cease to please us :) Thank you micheal for everything , your channel has been my #1 pick for four years

[@Kwevin6659]

An Unown change that might be cool is something similar to Gimmieghoul and getting all the coins. You catch all 28 forms and you get a new form with all of them coming together, kinda like how they acted in the third movie, with special moves, a new ability, and higher stats.

[@madethistocomment727]

What would the new one look like?

[@newmeta1237]

15:38 shuckle has actually been dethroned by houndstone for highest possible damage in 1 move, all you need is about 150 turns of setup and you got yourself a move that does over 1 billion hp, about 1.4 billion if you crit

[@HDragon58]

Plz elaborate since doesn't that move go off of fainted party? But u can only have 5 other party members?

[@newmeta1237]

@@HDragon58 with revival blessing you can bring back party members, and you can use revival blessing multiple times with sleep talk without the pp limit. You can use revival blessing to bring back your entire team and let it faint again to rack up more damage on houndstone's signature move. This however is impossible to recreate in a real match because it requires extremely specific setup from both parties. I don't remember how exactly the process goes because it's been half a year since i've seen it and the setup is 150 turns at least so i don't remember everything. You can find a video from a french youtuber called fildrong if you want to see it

[@newmeta1237]

@@HDragon58 you can look up "fildrong damage record" and find the video

[@miniiore]

​@@newmeta1237+ leppa berry

[@Purpylon]

I really want to see "every Hoenn Pokémon GameFreak forgot". Tropius and Castform are waiting :)

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

I wanted to see "Every Pokemon that can't be obtained on the Switch" discussing every Gen 5-7 Pokemon that are not in any Switch games as of making that video

[@RodimusMinor1987]

Mikey will be pained as Castform is a Gimmick Pokémon and thus like he said Gimmick Pokémon shouldn't get any love, I am down for Castform to evolve given its really low 420 BST.

[@JP-bg2vq]

1:30 Battle Bond Greninja would like to have a word

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

And also Hisuian Samurott

[@Korro9600]

@@fadhilmulyono9230 And Hisuian Decidueye

[@LordRemiem]

Of ALL your videos, this is the very last one I'd have expected a sequel of. And I'm very happy because I love them ❤

[@palpatinerocks3260]

I really hope Ariados gets something. I used him on my team in Moon and absolutly loved him. I hope he does get better stats for better useage in non playthroughs

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

It got a signature move, Toxic Thread, in Gen 7 actually Sucks that they immediately killed it with Dexit tho

[@palpatinerocks3260]

@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 Toxic Thread is an amazing move and my perfect tool for catching pokemon or just to get any kind of statud wether it be the speed drop or toxic. I like the effects being seperate

[@CindyHelms]

Firstly, I'd like to mention Mantine DID get special treatment in Gen 7 with the Mantine Surf minigame… And trust me, Crobat was definitely the center of my attention when I was trying to complete the Arkoos Pokédex…! Had to catch the stupid guaranteed Alpha one cuz the Golbat I was trying to evolve refused to be my best friend!

[@fadhilmulyono9230]

Remoraid got special treatment in Gen 4 by making it a requirement to evolve Mantyke

[@CaptainvonDore]

For Ledian's evolution, I have an idea of going the Maushold route. Just have 5 of them with different colours. Lediam seems to have some Kamen Rider inspiration, so it would be cool for its evolution to have some Super Sentai inspiration. Also POWER OF FRIENDSHIP.

[@12jswilson]

17:40 Mantine did get a stat buff in gen 7, going from 65 base HP to 85 so not entirely forgotten

[@samperez1727]

You can also use Shadow Lugia in Pokémon Go, which is also weirdly connected to the mainline for trading. It's specially important because it was probably the inspiration for the concept of all shadow Pokémon in Pokémon Go. Shadow Lugia could be seen as an upgrade to Lugia from a DPS perspective too. They should just make it canon as the alternative form in the mainline games since it has appeared in two pretty prominent spinoffs.

[@masterofdoots5965]

10:28 Boy were they wrong! (Legends Z-A)