Every New Jet in Update: Firebirds - In 10 Minutes or Less | War Thunder

[@Gibbo263]

F117 being at 8.7 in ARB prooves we need new modes in ARB

[@specc_s1452]

Did you use 100% of your brain for that one?

[@55....]

@@specc_s1452 y mad

[@specc_s1452]

@@55.... i'm not mad, just asking

[@waba4115]

@@specc_s1452 asking why

[@specc_s1452]

@@waba4115 because he doesn't explain ainything, just makes that statement

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

For the record, a search radar WOULD have an easier time detecting an F-117 than the track radar. Track radars near universally have much shorter wavelengths, which is much more easily deflected and dispersed by the faceted shaping of the F-117.

[@Trichobezoar_]

Gotta love there still being no NATO equivalent to the Kh-38MT, even with the patch being centered around top tier NATO CAS jets.

[@tictaculer]

So if they had bodged the brimstones to have a fnf mode it would have been able to get dam close to them

[@linkist6599]

and germany doesnt even have a good top tier cas plane

[@tictaculer]

@@linkist6599 they won't have one till the eurofighter

[@vurdel9799]

Japan doesn’t even have guided bombs

[@linkist6599]

@@tictaculer they could add a better tornado for germany but hey eurofighter coming soon

[@ComradeFury]

the Su-34 wasn't the first aircraft to have a PESA radar, the Super Etendard was since we have the SEM (Super Etendard Modernise) version in game has the Anemone PESA radar.

[@user-gv4zb9rc6u]

What does the F-14 have if not a PESA, same goes for the T-2 and F-1?

[@NCSiebertdesign]

​@user-gv4zb9rc6u just extremely powerful radar in x band mode. PESA is just more advanced/ modern radar

[@Hawkeye6941]

I don't know why the F15E didn't get the upgraded engine, like the Israel F15I version.

[@FunFishFacts]

Balance afaik , they didn't want f-15E to be better than f-15C in air , which is dumb imo because f-15I will be certainly better than baz meshupar and then it was that f-15E gets mavs while f-15I didn't but imo would much rather get 229's than mavs

[@DeadSkyWT]

Check the forums. I’ve made a poll on this.

[@nercksrule]

@@FunFishFacts Gotta give the players a reason to play the copycat tree.

[@sevenshooter2987]

The f15c and F15E both use the same 220 engines, sometimes the f15E uses the 229.

[@merf5549]

Because the US F15E with upgraded engines has a AESA radar

[@gmtom19]

Of course when Britain gets a plane with a cool weapon system then Gaijin suddenly cares about balance and everything, even when its objectively worse than the other planes added in THE SAME UPDATE.

[@Kozacc]

literally, while listening to this i was like yeah of fucking course

[@albedo826]

For the F-117 vs. Pantsir, for anyone who doesn't know how stealth works, search radars are able to detect stealth aircraft from still a decent distance away, they aren't invisible, so things like track while scan will still function at reduced ranges: it just makes it so that track radar's which need a very consistent and high PRF to track a target are unable to get a lock until very close, such as a track radar (this is because for the same reason you detect a launch warning when a friendly aircraft fires a missile from right beside you at an enemy aircraft far off over the horizon; radio waves, while very precise upon the band wave - the middle line - are quite thick, and radar receivers are quite delicate, and with combination of these two things even when the radio wave does not return back, to powerful radars such as the '1RS2' on the Pantsir, will track such a target from point blank, even though the radar is not directly feeding back to the system, the sheer girth of the radio wave at a distance on a search radar allows it to detect an aircraft, and as it gets closer and closer, the thickness of the middle line, the band, get's bigger and bigger as well -- eventually culminating in the track radar getting the strong high PRF it needs by proximity of the band to the receiver -- or point blank range). I do agree that SAM's are getting their track radars to lock too far out. So remember to keep your distance. Think of stealth as an implemented mechanic like the IRCM dazzler on the back of the Su-25T/UTG/TM - the Su-39), at distance no IR missile, IRCCM or not, will not track that target. From a close enough range, where the heat from the plume of the engines is the strongest and most clear, it brute forces its way past that defense. In this case, when a track radar gets close enough to the jet, it will by proximity of the radio wave, brute force its way into getting a return. Just remember not to open your bomb bay doors right over a SAM... P.S. No stealth aircraft is tested or built to be unlockable from point blank. For the sheer reason that the act of deflecting the radio wave means it has to hit something to be deflected by, and again, by proximity, it will get a lock. This is also where radar absorbent paint comes in, but again, this can only mitigate so much radiation from the wave. Photographs of the testing shows the distance between the F-117 and the radar they used to test it at short distance, but much like a STANAG armor test, they alter the strength and force of the test to adjust for range.

[@wivysbr]

I understand that it is correct that the Brimstone does not have the mode in which it ignores smoke etc... But why not transform it into a generic FnF missile, functioning like an AGM65? Now gaijin wants the vehicle to be realistic... interesting. Of course I'm going to keep the laser playing against a Pantsir, while playing as a Challenger I get a missile from an S25 where the kill cam doesn't even have the map rendered because it's so far away

[@Vortex_inc.]

F-117 most useful in a br were there are no radars lmao

[@tictaculer]

So the thing with the brimstones being able to see through smoke most people dont even know kh38's are coming and dont smoke

[@AMDeZani]

And thing is, they have nerfed missile's guidance systems before to make them fairer for the game. Like the Spikes which are also less capable of adjusting at longer ranges than they are in real life. Zero reason they couldn't do the same for the Brimstone and make it a generic FnF missile. But that'd be too fair.

[@NotOlzen]

I think most people can agree that LOAL wouldnt fit the game atm. But they could have just made them act like an IR TV guided missile similar to a 65D or something and it would be fine.

[@tictaculer]

@@NotOlzen yeah the lock on after launch is not the main problem as you would get 90% of the functionality with out the problem of sitting out of aa range

[@rowanyuh6326]

The "170-1" product is the result of a deep upgrade of the previous generation R-77(RVV-AE) missile and was developed primarily to fit on the Su-35S fighter (see photo) and Su-34 bomber (see photo). Add R-77-1

[@Potato-jd3ws]

me when the Kh-38MTs are so fast that people don’t smoke and when they do the missiles are IOG so they kill anyways due to the explosive mass should’ve at minimum just made brimstones behave like mavericks so we could at least have something comparable to the Kh-38MTs because right now there’s both nothing comparable nor a surface-to-air counter to those missiles. yes shooting them down works, however there is now a vehicle that carries six of these missiles. all of which go Mach 2. Brimstones could’ve finally been something to use to counter the Russians, but of course Gaijin must keep them at the top

[@NotOlzen]

To be fair, the KH38ML are the dangerous ones. The MT wont lock beyond like 10-11km similar to a 65D, its just much faster and bigger like you said, but a smaller amount (untill we get SU34 ofc, but no thermals on that one).

[@amrx78]

@@NotOlzen u can use the thermal of the kh38 :)

[@NotOlzen]

@@amrx78 You bring up a fair point, forget they have thermals too.

[@Johnny_200]

"The new russian plane has blue afterburners which is cool" Me with a custom skin: Im two steps ahead

[@DrClef_1]

Custom as one on marketplace or user one?

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

@@DrClef_1 many user skins have different color afterburner effects

[@errornamenotfound2513]

The controversy on Brimstones is *NOT* about it being able to track through smoke as let's face it. You don't even actively defend yourself against IR/TV AGMs let alone Radar guided AGMs. Hell, when was the last time you actually actively defended yourself against incoming FnF AGMs by popping smoke? The Problem of FnF Brimstones is its capability to fire a salvo of it in a general direction and let the missiles themselves find their own targets which wisely gaijin chose to not add it. The problem is they just straight up just made it Laser guided and call it a day which just straight up removes the reason why Brimstones even existed (to be used against mass formations of armored targets) They could have at least just made be guided like an IR guided AGM but nope, straight to laser guided

[@linkist6599]

@@errornamenotfound2513 even if it had its radar teamkills would be annoying af

[@Libarate17]

Yep I dont see the issue with a fire and forget missile with a radar seeker. 99% of targets wont be hidden by smoke as they wouldnt know to deploy smoke. Same as with Mavericks or the Kh38s. Obviously the 'Lock After Launch' where the missile finds its own target would be OP as hell. But you can still have the missile with the Radar seeker behave just like Mavericks or Kh38s and it would be no more broken than those missiles.

[@errornamenotfound2513]

@@linkist6599 Brimstones irl can distinguish friendlies from foes

[@theblacksplit]

@@errornamenotfound2513so can 120’s. we don’t see that happening tho do we?

[@errornamenotfound2513]

@@theblacksplit dunno about 120s but gaijin can still certainly do it. They've already done it with aircraft radars/rwr where it can distinguish/filter out friendlies from foes no matter what aircraft it is +If Tking are still a problem despite only gaining my proposed typical guidance of IR guided AGMs (ie. Requiring visual to lock and fire) then that's on u not the missile

[@krisxx9732]

Kh38t with 20km range + Tv seeker:yes balanced 🗣️ Brimstone 15km+ rader seeker: oh no need nerf🗣️🙏🏽❗

[@nicolajnielsen1522]

"In 10 Minutes or Less" The video: 10:06

[@KaguyasBeat]

He did do it in less than 10 minutes. The outro brought it over, and I don't imagine that to be part of the new jet descriptions.

[@Chounubis]

It's a joke, u weebautist.

[@rodneycook3674]

The stealth is going to be a gimmick. The directional indicator still pops up so they know you are there.

[@Brzzzyexe]

all of the tt spaas are also beam or saclos guided so as long as they can see you in the air which isn't too hard especially in the ranges that the f-117 needs to get for it to engage targets, but at 10.0 why wouldn't you just use cas that can just never get into spaas range at all. add to the fact at tt the ONLY spaa that can fight competent cas players is the pantsir every other spaa needs the pilot to fly closer than their maximum engagement range to even try to shoot them

[@spray916]

The F-15I surprised me and if it stays as is, then I will be unlocking it first.

[@firetruck1255]

The thing with the Tornado that’s confusing me are the bombs. Right now it has two guided options: EGBU-24 and Paveway IV. They use the American Mk84 and Mk82 respectively, yet on the plane you can see the visual model looks like a Mk13/18. That’s because it is, visually they’re using the model of the “Enhanced Mk.13” which is the Mk.13/18 we already have, but with added GPS guidance. The Tornado SHOULD have this as an option, yet it’s not - despite the fact both guided bomb options are using the visual model. Clearly that’s the placeholder whilst the models for the EGBU and Paveway IV are finished, but I would hope they’d add the Enhanced Mk.13 too since it really should be there already

[@iboopy-fl2ic]

Its just illegal for britain to have anything nice isnt it :C

[@sovietbanana4589]

I feel like locking the brimstones out of their individual acquire and kill mode is right for balancing. The 2 reasons are that they’d be really really strong, and that the amount of friendly fire would be crazy. Brimstones during the gulf war weren’t allowed to use the mode for that exact reason. A missile that independently acquires a target without iff while dumb launching would fuck up a lot of stuff. The issue is that without the radar mode all the thing has is its semi active laser mode. Which is what’s been implemented. Maybe gaijin could jury rig something to make them work like active laser where they go self guiding after initial laser designation. But other than that they’re stuck where they are.

[@Starkogi]

They did the Su-39 ECM system fine, but you can lock an approaching F-117 at 10+km lol

[@jusezaba8557]

I'm waiting for someone to complain when they discover at the merge that the F-15E (maybe the I too) is kind of a boat because of the heavier weight and the focus on a more multirole/ground capability

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Bro 5 kilometers with a SPAA is nice stealth, do people really thinkg Stealth fighters are 100% undetectable?

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

It’s good, much better than normal, especially considering this is literally the first one, but it isn’t useful. This thing is not particularly fast and only has two drops. Drops which might not work because, mysteriously, you happen to get gajined much more when fighting Russia , aka, the main thing you fight when playing US.

[@Brzzzyexe]

considering out of the over 1300 attacks it over 2 decades only 1 was ever shot down and the only reason was because the bay door was open i'd say it should be pretty damn near undetectable + rcs lower than the f-35

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@Brzzzyexe the bay door open was not the only reason it was shoot down.. dont take Lazerpig as a real historical source

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

@@RogueBeatsARG On top of the fact that they knew it was going to be there, yeah, it is the only reason it actually got shot down.

[@GamerFromSpace]

Ngl f117 seems like a chill plane to play in sim battles

[@301_tyron5]

2:39 f-117 won’t be facing pantirs!!!

[@microbomber575]

Now i have a reason to keep researching the uk tech tree

[@JSDFEnthusiast]

In game stealth is worst from the rear according to the files, and decently nerfed overall for some reason. Stealth is worst side on irl because that's the biggest picture. *Big brain*

[@BOBTHEBALL2169]

Thanks Unc, nice video

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Bro, the F-117’s be for ground is 10.0. It will face panstirs and osas. As well as literally everything.

[@MD-wn4ui]

They just need to add the 114L and Brimstones and remove the ability to see smoke. Just say the chaff is in the smoke.

[@RedTail1-1]

Sucks that only 2 nations get new aircraft. Maybe if they didn't give 3 Tornados to everyone else they could have gotten one this update to coincide with the Strike Fighter theme

[@phantom_ii4594]

AV-8S in the files 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@DylanAlexander-nv1ez]

Get 4 of these in a squad in sim battle to go obliterate Roland’s at the air field then have bombers come in behind to kill the airfield. Boom blue wins every game.

[@normallymute0131]

Gaijin implementing stealth so goddamn wrong, the F-117 has the smallest RCS in a front aspect attack. Ironically gets detected consistently at 10km by all radar. Side aspect where the RCS is considerably larger is treated like regular notching where air radars can’t pick them up until .5km and 5km. Backwards as usual. And the F-15E having weaker engines for no goddamn reason. They sure do love to preemptively nerf nato shot

[@BabaGrill69-cb8zn]

*F-117 and F15E baby!*

[@Bennys-handle]

my ssd is soo slow it couldent even finish patching by the time this video was done

[@CtRAlTtAb]

i feel like the F-117A's stealth would only be useful at higher BRs in sim

[@Янус_Ырт]

It is pretty useful against stuff like 2S6 in GRB

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

@@Янус_Ырт 2S6 has IRST and it will see it by the time its in bomb range tho

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

6 mavericks 8 paveways and 4 glide bombs on an F-15 yet Russian CAS is op cuz they have a jet with 4 missiles that can maybe hit something 15km+

[@BlackjackTheLad]

Words can't express how infuriated I am that the snail is gimping the Mudhen for the silliest reasons.

[@arcticiceberg9945]

Lee you need to fix the tornado not being in the thumbnail

[@mab2187]

Super Eten was the 1st with PESA, Su-34 is the 2nd yetis the more well known one. Btw i see the old style of rp and sl prompt in the battles when you get a kill, how is that working? mod? which one?

[@TheInvisibleOrange26]

What’s the expected release date?

[@Chounubis]

So, MiG-15's will fly side by side with an 80's stealth plane? Wtf, Gaijan. But guess I shouldn't be shocked after all the Cold War/post-Cold War hardware facing early-mid WW2 stuff.

[@Starkogi]

Honestly, considering the history and location the F-117 was flying, running into a MiG-15 was a very real possibility. Unlikely, but possible.

[@skipslash7367]

power creep is creeping

[@theKEY.-]

Super Etendard should also have a PESA; GJ just didnt modeld it

[@Joey_Liu]

Afro Vulcan When?

[@rodneycook3674]

The Israel f15 looks really promising for air rb

[@logicmaster756]

Plane goofy Technically a full downtier to 7.7

[@an_unknown_user0]

When is this update supposed to drop? Any ideas?

[@warthunderplayer1753]

The f15e devblog said it will get AIM120B

[@mathewtheis9139]

Even if you were going to take away the radar tracking for the brimstones they should’ve given an IR. Taking away one real world mechanic, and not adding another in its place is ridiculous. Those missiles are useless slow and you can only fire one at a time you’re better off just using the PGM’s in which case you might as well just stick with the GR3. Does another example of clear anti-British sentiment by Gaijin. Even with the active radar homing, it would’ve just forced people to move into cover areas which Gaijin is doing anyway with all the city maps.

[@suzybean13]

Wassup lee? I love how the f117 isn’t that good at its only good feature 😌

[@randomowykolegazinternetu]

Polish-Czech-Slovak-Ukrainian tech tree when

[@pyrolooga3393]

When you shut up about it

[@devendoffing7004]

@@pyrolooga3393you just like being rude to people for no reason?

[@Elturbo157]

Never!

[@randomowykolegazinternetu]

@@Elturbo157 You NEVER had parents who loved you.

[@Elturbo157]

@@randomowykolegazinternetu I will NEVER agree with that

[@The-ThunderTiger]

Romania mentioned !!! MIG-21 Lancer

[@katgut]

At 10.0 there are no good cas options for usa, if you want to go up there are but the a7s are terrible to grind and you should probably take anything else

[@Pookie539]

A10 f4c

[@Elbereth_TV]

they added RCS mod of 0.5 to the rear for some reason on the f117 xD

[@DarkLighting115]

F-117 should be even 8.3 at ARB an 10.0 in GRB

[@sgtj.peldridge4567]

Israeli F-15I getting the upgraded engines and American jet not getting them is crazy even though america put the 229 engines in the F-15E 6 years before we sold it to Israel

[@TazziedoesWT]

Ah yes, balance my tornado and give it a missile that has the same capability as a missile from a 10.3 Su-25. I mean cmon, yes I understand the brimstone irl is very very very powerful, but to neuter them so much they are no longer fire and forget is ridiculous!

[@PotatoBreadYum]

so basically if israel gets the f15 to stay at the overperforming speed then theres almost no point in me grinding japan

[@ethansnowden620]

When does it come out

[@Elbereth_TV]

and sweden gets left out again, there's so much they can add xD

[@honeybadgerbomb4469]

France not getting anything, despite being a bigger arms dealer than Sweden, Germany, and Israel combined

[@Fueled_up_CPM]

When is it coming

[@amrx78]

it was gonna be a good update if they added agm130 and the brimstone as irl but no gaijn decided to Russia bias yet again

[@honeybadgerbomb4469]

where'd the Mirage RMV go

[@Anthony1102www]

Germany CAS jet : Dieing under the sea

[@robinsonsstudios]

still no new WWII aircraft, what a letdown

[@Lalasfritas]

Why does the US f15e have the same engines as the f15c? Isnt it supposed to have F-110's (same engine as f16c and f14b)?

[@Janno32_]

Only the later models have it, and the F-15I is a later model.

[@Lalasfritas]

@@Janno32_ oh I see thanks for clarifying

[@jaek__]

@@Janno32_the one we have essentially is the later model considering its ordinance and hms but whatever

[@Hunterminez]

I called the F117 in the Q&A Video 😎 (Also this is more than 10 min long I want a refund)

[@DarkLighting115]

Su-34 or get better fm and hmd or be 13.3

[@inoo2345]

Once again my beloved mig29 doesnt get a flight model change. And for anyone saying gaijin thinks its already accurate, where are the f16 nerfs, cause you telling me the f16 being better in every type of dogfight is accurate?

[@xcauseyes6391]

sooo sweden is getting nothing again

[@Loobernoob]

The F-117 is probably the most useless aircraft added to the game

[@merf5549]

Germany still got nothing, im going to kms

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

Nothing for german top tier again. This must be a joke.

[@jjwardyjj]

Cries in brits. Another useless tornado

[@derpypotatos4610]

What of they remove the amraams, the JDAMs, and the glide bombs form the US Strike Eagle and put it at 13.0 instead. Make it an early version serving at the end of the Cold War.

[@FunFishFacts]

So it would just be a heavy f-15A with some more ground ordinance? No thanks

[@sxshi9984]

I can’t play it as a fighter 😭

[@rowanyuh6326]

Cas spam is somehow getting worse 😪

[@kyde9921]

F117 DOA

[@bagelmaster2498]

funny how none of these are german

[@swagbelly7740]

I doubt f15e with its absurd speed and power retention will be worse than f15c at same br

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

Same PW-220 engines + 1.5 tons heavier airframe, how it is not going to be worse lmao?

[@swagbelly7740]

@@СергейНикольский-я2ц maybe because each engine is 2k more thrust? Did u actually test it or say it just after hearing this guy? Go to dev and test it out, its insane what u can do in that thing

[@Bayonet_Silver]

only the f15i has improved engines

[@NotOlzen]

@@swagbelly7740 you say F15E (which dont get the better engines, thats the F15I Ra'am). So the F15E that is heavier will ofc be worse then the F15C when they have the same engines.

[@mokaso]

I hope Gaijin caves to the pressure and gives the F-15E the 229 engines. It would be a more than capable A2A platform too if given the 120C-5s it has. But the nerf to NATO vehicles this update is just weird. RIP British mains and their half baked Brimstones.

[@skipslash7367]

fuck you if you think that adding fire and forget missiles that can go through smoke is at all a good idea

[@linkist6599]

@@mokaso if the f15e gets aim 120c-5s it has no competition whatsoever being easily the best plane

[@DeadSkyWT]

Check the forums. I’ve made a poll there.

[@Re.tr-02]

Yuhhhh

[@mateuszgame1597]

F117 is gonna be so shit 😭😭😭

[@maggi98mw]

The F-117 is so fugly

[@jaek__]

me when i’m blind

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

@@jaek__ its a flying cheese block guh

[@alvarovillatoro5187]

GIVE ISRAEL MAVERICKS GOD DAMN IT!

[@Janno32_]

They will likely get their own stuff. A bug report has already been filed for that.

[@cosmeticclicks4589]

Is this out on ps5?