Every Pokémon VS One Billion Lions - The Final Argument

[@masonkay7024]

The problem is the question isn’t posed as a 1v1 duel it’s posed as if all lions and Pokémon are on the field at once

[@Goofyahartesticles]

And the lions will still get dog waked by Arceus alone

[@yalkn2073]

@@Goofyahartesticles Arceus can get killed by an electric rat

[@fresnonightcrawler4910]

​@@yalkn2073only for the sake of gameplay in canon lore he is immune

[@yalkn2073]

@@fresnonightcrawler4910 In anime, he gets killed by a rock

[@fresnonightcrawler4910]

@@yalkn2073 that's a wildly simplified version of what happens in the movie but ok

[@Jugement]

"The Pokémon can never win" With your ruleset, a ghost mon, a mon with a life steal move, or just a slightly bulky mon with leftovers can all beat 1.000.000 lions

[@traylon687]

Based on this a Trevenant with Harvest, a Leppa Berry, and Horn Leech just solos every lion.

[@DoofusLookingThang]

​@@traylon687 lions also struggle against the slowbro stall

[@DoofusLookingThang]

​@@traylon687 but it does require a trainer

[@Jugement]

@@traylon687 Or any pokemon with access to recycle along normal immunity or recovery yeah Since it used to be both a tutor move and a TM at some point, the list is quite long

[@shockwave6709]

what about attacks the hit more then one pokemon. it could hit alot of the lions. also moves like sand attack and double team

[@Dr._Styx34]

Yveltal dies All lions: wait... Wait nooooooo

[@ryaquaza3offical]

Bro really just said: “I know the lore clearly states this Pokémon could solo all the lions alone but I don’t personally believe that so I’m not going to soo much as consider that a thing” Like kyogre ALONE could just drown all the lions alone, I’m really unsure how they’d be able to stand against literal global flooding

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

This is a joke. The original vid

[@C00L_DUD31]

you forgot the 4,294,967,296 spinda in the different forms. and leftovers and the fact that with endless pp a single ghost solos. and just in general how slanted in favor the lions are.

[@kwesi.0525]

1 of every pokemon, one

[@Petah69420]

0:29 Saying the Primeape dex entry is inaccurate didn't age so well lol

[@DistractedCoder]

Haha, oh my god, you're right. He did die

[@NolanHow]

@@DistractedCoderalso magcargo is hotter then the surface of the sun for a rough equivalent is some fires there are things a lot hotter then the surface of the sun so

[@failurextreme7084]

Kyogre and Groudon literally change the earth by showing up and this is seen in game. Huge quantities of the lions are killed by the floods and volcanic destruction alone. Like the legendaries just based on what we can physically see them do to the planet throughout the series would be enough. By their very nature dialga, palkia, and giritina should be able to basically do it alone. They dont have to use moves to manipulate the world around them. This also seems to underestimate the destructive power of moves. This seems to be assuming its 1v1s but if you had a large group of lions and say Pikachu rains down a thunderbolt or two thats not going to take out a single lion thats going to have huge effects on the entire field. I also stuggle with the idea that lions could ever kill steel type pokemon. If a lion bites down on a magnemite with static that is in fact a lion that is now paralyzed and dying of hunger while the little steel magnet boy just continues obliviously floating around unfazed.

[@ComedyActionComics]

None of entries are embellishments. That magcargo is simply doing what ponyta and sharpedo did which is turn off it's bodily functions to avoid hurting those it cares about. In one episode Brock pointed out that sharpedos rough skin wasn't effecting him anymore and in another episode ponytas flames didn't hurt ash once he gained it's trust. The professors write the pokedex entries and they've spent decades researching pokemon to discover their mysteries and wouldn't just make things up. Pokemon is a game where the only way to communicate information about pokemon is through the pokedex. The pokedex was game freaks intention and hold all the feats any pokemon should ever need. A mountain a level attack from a gigalith should do the trick or maybe a mach speed multi mountain level close combat from a machamp ? The anime is also inaccurate at times and wasn't made to portray the pokedex entries.

[@TTVArgusGuy]

the issue is that the games, the pokédex and the anime follow 3 entirely different sets of logic. you can only stick to one imo. and i think the lions win in all 3

[@ocarinatales1331]

There are very much embilishments in the dex entries, no offense. Lions still handily lose, but dex entries aren't why. Ranged attacks paired with flying and underwater pokemon are a bigger reason though. Or digging pokemon. Or pokemon made of literal fire or lava.

[@REDscar9000]

@@TTVArgusGuy you think the lions win with the pokedex logic when dialga and palkia control all of time and space?? Or in the anime logic when they have been blatantly shown to have nearly destroyed/erased numerous universes on *accident* because thye were fighing with eachother??? Not to mention victini *the victory pokemon*

[@jamiepotter8802]

@@TTVArgusGuy there is no universe where the lions win in the pokedex and i think the pokemon also win in the anime as well

[@animorph17]

@@TTVArgusGuy Eeehhh ... you have three different sources to consider. The games, for which dex entries are ALL THEY GIVE YOU. If you want to consider the games, it's dex entries or fukin nothing. Or, you can discard the games and consider the anime, which means anime logic. OR you can discard both the games and the anime, which leaves you with the various pokemon manga. The place where moltzapticuno is a thing, mewtwo fights with a giant spoon, and Blaine from cinabar island is a mewtwo clone, as in someone took mewtwo DNA and tried to clone it and what came out of the tube was a strait up normal human. Which option do you really want to go with?

[@ivysaur2thefirst]

Here's a major flaw that I didn't see anyone mentioning, and that is Lions are NOT Pokémon. They don't have types and most importantly they don't use moves. There is a distinct difference between a general action and a Pokémon move. Pokemon are also surprisingly durable. A lvl 1 caterpie can take the most powerful Pokémon move to the face and the most it will do is faint. If that is the case, then a simple lion slap or bite would do jack diddly squat to any Pokemon, regardless of what they're made of.

[@cooltubes547]

There’s lots of flaws with his “accurate simulation” for example how are they going to attack Rayquaza? It lives in the stratosphere and never has to return to the ground. PP doesn’t exist in the actual Pokémon world nor does a 4 move limit. It could chill in the air and rain draco meteors or just never fight them and out live the lions.

[@Robot_972]

“The pokedex is exaggerated” Have you SEEN the things pokemon are capable of in the anime, manga, hell even in the games themselves? And that’s ignoring the pokedex consistently being proven as an accurate source

[@DistractedCoder]

"A more reliable and consistent measurement of their power comes from the games."

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

​@@DistractedCoderSure, the games. where a Rattata could beat literally anything! Surely a reliable and consistent source.

[@joshuafrazier3904]

@@DistractedCoderI agree with this statement so why aren’t you using game feats? Why won’t Dialga stop time? That is a feat from the mystery dungeon games or why doesn’t Arceus time travel? That’s a feat from legends Arceus are you saying that those games are not canon? If so I understand you clearly only meant mainline series games but that then begs the question on why Dialga and Palkia don’t work together to reset reality? I mean they were going to do that in the Sinnoh mainline story games weren’t they?

[@mr_chicken_3578]

Throw a magicarp in the ocean, and Pokemon win against 1 billion lions.

[@teabown02]

Rayquaza can breathe in space. Lions cannot. Rayquaza sits there and draco meteors the heck out of em

[@Jesus___Christ]

The ghost pokemon are literally untouchable by lions

[@a_uman7782]

Bite/crunch

[@jessequigley3528]

@@a_uman7782 in this situation they only have scratch 1:21

[@Max_Power_]

They still run out of pp and die by struggle.

[@jessequigley3528]

@@Max_Power_ oh yea forgot about that

[@rest1585]

@@a_uman7782 Plus how tf would they touch Gengar if he’s in the air

[@kbowman772]

Yeah, I'm just going to copy some other folks and bring up that if you're doing single battles only rather than double or horde battles where spread moves are a thing, allowing infinite PP from ethers should have sealed the deal for the Pokémon since the lions should never have gotten off their attacks in the first place.

[@yalkn2073]

"allowing infinite PP from ethers", might aswell give lions guns if you are allowing outside items

[@kbowman772]

@@yalkn2073 I was responding to the scenario that he brought up in the video. Wolfey already showed how it was unnecessary.

[@teathion]

@@kbowman772 Bruh, people that watched Wolfey's videos using the argument that spread moves hit all BILLION LIONS, instead of only 5. Just stop.

[@masonkay7024]

@@teathion that’s the game’s logic pick what kind of logic we are using if it’s game logic lions lose Pokédex logic lions lose anime logic lions lose no matter how you twist it Pokémon win easily

[@cooltubes547]

@@yalkn2073Actually my bad sure give them guns they can’t even fkn shoot them 😂

[@jetblock6324]

the video was very fun. But why do we have to consider that all lions and pokemon battle 1v1 and not multi battles?

[@aaronwright485]

We do consider that

[@aaronwright485]

This video did not for some reason

[@locar99]

literal wolfy already did that and man pokemon would do like 8.75958015E122 damage

[@jetblock6324]

@@locar99 ikr he did it years ago hahaha

[@jetblock6324]

If we look according to games basically kyogre alone ohko's and if according to anime...a lot of pokemon can fly and attack the lions and just go away when they get tired

[@ugochukwunyere3196]

And what if you remove the limitation of Pokémon only being able to attack one target and have them be able to attack as many as they want with any moves?

[@youtubearmy_bg8265]

lion cannon

[@ugochukwunyere3196]

@@youtubearmy_bg8265 not allowed

[@z-ro1641]

@@youtubearmy_bg8265and very impossible

[@animorph17]

@@z-ro1641 Spread moves cough in your general direction.

[@z-ro1641]

@@animorph17 Not all Pokemon are effected by it *coughs* but it will still take out the lions regardless

[@idkwhattoputhere5193]

One point I would like to make. This is to stop 'what if the Lion did this' bullshit. This would be Canon, fucking Canon Pokemon vs canon lions. What I mean by canon lions, is how they act in real life. And as you know real life lions aren't able to do the be things you guys say fanon lions do.

[@idkwhattoputhere5193]

I said this because every other video was more than a year old

[@owenbridgers]

Imagine looking at God and saying “Nah but Lions beat God”

[@splatmaster1903]

While I do appreciate the more analytical approach taken in this video, the way the pokemon are simulated puts them at an unfair disadvantage. For the sake of simplification you made it into a numbers game, 1 pokemon using their strongest attack against 1 lion using its strongest attack. But the pokemon's strength lies in strategy and outstanding individuals, not numbers. In the 1v1 format, a funbro set could easily solo the whole billion. And if the 1v1 format was abandoned in favor of a free for all, any ghost type whose move's pp adds up to more than 56(scratch's pp) can struggle stall the lions. This is all still ignoring dex entries, because if they aren't ignored then Yveltal wins by default, "When its life comes to an end, it absorbs the life energy of every living thing and turns into a cocoon once more." -Alpha Saphire dex entry

[@blumwashere]

im pretty sure any Pokémon with the harvest ability to infinitely spawn leppa berries absolutely dominates, and it's extremely improbable to miss a 50% roll 10 times in a row to miss the chance (plus just use sunny day to make it 100% lol) lions lose to tropius, trevenent, Exeggutor, and basically any Pokémon with recycle as well

[@yalkn2073]

@@blumwashere Pokemon are not that smart

[@vincentebanks3464]

​@@yalkn2073Pokemon are literally right below humans, not to mention Arceus and mew can act like trainers. If we are just going by game cannon we know gen 3 legendaries can used like literal doomsday devices. 1 billion lions would fit in Texas. Remember lions roamed most of the earth at one point but some are on the brink of extension to monkeys with sticks.

[@yalkn2073]

@@vincentebanks3464 Have you ever seen Mewtwo or Arceus use items or useful ability combos on their own? Also, 1 billion is a lot of lions. Lions can just stall the move PP

[@vincentebanks3464]

@@yalkn2073 a billion when it comes to life is not a lot when we are talking about animals they would fit in Texas. Considering humans have a hard with mild hurricanes lions stand no chance against mass flooding or even droughts. Remember a rock smaller than ny took out 90% of all life on land. You could also just starve the lions too death.

[@onup1475]

Well.... Not exactly if the pokemon truly have infinite PP than any ghost type would kill a billion lions. As it was stated all the lion has the move scratch wich is a normal move and of course ghost are immune to.

[@m4rqu1s]

Bro with your logic: - A Slowbro with Recycle, Recover and Leppa Berry solos all the lions - Any ghost type with infinite PP solos the lions - Any Fighting Pokemon with infinite PP solos all the lions seriously how does a machamp with infinite pp die to any amount of level 17 lions if it can go first and ohko the lions before the lions can strike back

[@Diretance]

infinite pp won’t exist even in lorebase.. maybe arceus cause he’s a god but machamp still has its limits can’t be fighting 24hrs a day for years.. it will run out of energy eventually *pp*

[@thelastmlg2699]

The pokedex is not wrong, we have seen what is described there multiple times, the reason they didn't die to marcago is because 1. It is it's body temperature, the heat doesn't matter if it doesn't spread enough. 2. Humans can survive pokemon attacks. 3. Pokemon can hold back their powers. And your other examples over it are weird as well, like, why does knocking mountains or jumping the eifel tower sound weird? We have seen pokemon move at extreme speeds, jump very high, and even cause massive explosions, hell in the manga a dragonair nuked a city and a drifloon caused a mountain dwarfing explosion, in the anime pikachu destroyed a small mountain early in his journey, piplup created a massive whirlpool, buneary froze a lake and sunk a ship too, that just shows what they can do, not what they fo all the time And yes, the anime and manga are canon to the games, we got evidence on that. Anyway yeah, using game marchanics made explicitly to have a balanced match, while translating lions as pokemon obviously gives lions the wins, but using real logic and information, a lot of pokemon would solo them Even team rocket's meowth would solo the lions unironically

[@МихайлоСлюсар-й6у]

It is a non-multi battle game logic

[@157kaito]

question seeing as you are using mainline game logic to answer this question would your opinion change if instead of a one vs one battle system if instead the battle system was more like mystery dungeon? Because in reality the fight would not be orderly or clean cut but instead an all out brawl where a move light thunder could one shot multiple opponent at once.

[@Yepitsmedude]

Good point. Also, what about moves like surf? In game (not mystery dungeon) surf could kill 7 level 17s easily

[@andre25salv38]

@@Yepitsmedude by game logic it would hit every single opponent in the battle

[@aaronwright485]

That’s how most people see the debate horde vs horde

[@yalkn2073]

@@andre25salv38By game logic, it would hit 5 lions

[@andre25salv38]

@@yalkn2073 nuh uh

[@skenana]

The problem with the simulation, is that almost every pokemon has a speed stat above 25, and if they are level 100, with the lions being level 17, the lions will never outspeed the pokemon. This means that the lions will never get a single hit in on a pokemon faster than them, if the pokemon has infinite pp. Take Appletun for example. It has 30 base speed, which is already double the lions, and with the level difference, no matter how bad its nature or Ivs are, it will always outspeed the lions. Have it hold a leppa berry, give it recycle, and any attacking move, and it could kill every single lion itself.

[@DistractedCoder]

I think you're the first person to mention speed. In mine, the attacks both happen simultaneously

[@Thatorangejuiceguy118]

Kingambit has gained strength for the fallen

[@ZinniaFan]

He just gets as strong as Arceus

[@viktorgorbunov7084]

As a shedinja strat user you need a random pokemon with sturdy a mew and a shedinja So first turn mew gets sturdy shedinja uses a random move and the pokemon that had sturdy uses earthquake Second turn you make shedinja undestructeble by giving it sturdy Or they are all dead cuz of earthquake

[@Gb484]

Common mistake people believe that just by being close to Macargo you would die but you would have to be almost directly touching it.

[@kannan07]

Also,fire types,every single one of them Can control their temperature I get that this info is like 26 years old and was only mentioned once and only in the anime BUT THIS SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE HOW DO THESE PEOPLE THINK,A SUNKERN SURVIVES A HEAT CRASH FROM GROUDON Yes its not gonna happen,groudon isnt gonna jump onto a sunkern AN EMBOAR MIGHT SUNKERN STILL AINT DYING

[@REDscar9000]

Im pretty sure being close to somthing that hot would kill you, i mean just being close to a garbage fire was a bit to hot for me imagine something as hot as the surface of the sun

[@masonkay7024]

@@REDscar9000 yea but like you need to stand next to it loxstin covered that because of how thermal dynamics work it would have a very short range

[@theonesithtorulethemall]

Have you ever considert, that in a world where your average animal can move mountains, the hummans are a bit stronger then normal???

[@REDscar9000]

Not enough people consider this

[@CobaltPerseverance154]

This is what I hate about these kind of videos. Sure, the Pokémon can't win... When there's no strategy. I don't care how advanced this simulation is, it's not using strategy. You're just mindlessly throwing attacks out. This is the only video I've seen with only one from each side out at once. Every single other video about this topic (regardless of the winning side) has had all Pokémon and all lions out at once and everyone saw this as the most even option. So it's clear that's the more popular option. But this may seem worse for the Pokémon. Well, ever hear of spread moves? Moves that can hit all opponents? And know how many Pokémon get spread moves? I don't the actual number, but a lot. Also claiming Magcargo isn't hotter than the sun doesn't mean the entire Pokédex is wrong and you can therefore exclude that from the video. I'd like to see you try to disprove Arceus being the Pokémon God. Disprove Palkia and Dialga have control over space and time respectively.

[@joshuafrazier3904]

Uhm they can’t since them controlling those things is consistent in all medias of Pokémon so thank you for saying what I’m saying

[@riamu94]

Mewtwo alone is enough to destroy all lions in the entire world 💀

[@DecoyZ]

Even if we only go by what we SEE in the anime and games.. the lions lose instantly because of Pokemon Emerald. Or ghost pokemon.. like just one ghost pokemon, it'd take a long time.. but just one ghost pokemon

[@fernandoj.monterosegovia1535]

Bite... is super effective against ghost. I would think a lion can bite

[@kl0diana136]

ok i get it for 0:18 but its a kids show why would they die lmao I need an explanation

[@quixotix9540]

Doesn't earthquake hit everything on the field possible though?

[@DroBoww]

👍

[@DoofusLookingThang]

in 3v3 or 2v2s this is probably 1v1s

[@TheRedRabbit08]

Excuse me excuse me yes, Arceus is fucking god, Steelix is made out of actual steel, Kyogre can flood the entire planet and most Pokemon can cause mass extinction easily. a lion is a big cat who sometimes goes hungry because they cannot catch a fast gazelle. The debate was finished before it started

[@Rick-ue3zb]

And if we do abilities shedninja has wanderguard

[@gamer-guy32]

Exactly steelix is tougher than diamonds and eats boulders

[@samykalacelle8143]

Thats using pokedex entries again, in the end you can defeat any pokemon with another pokemon that higher level and has decent moves so even a ratata or a magicarp can defeat god. If they can be defeated by a 9 year old then they arnt that good imo

[@TheRedRabbit08]

@@samykalacelle8143 Uhm, no. That's using common sense and the actual STORY, Good try though.

[@josecriollo6976]

@@samykalacelle8143 That's like saying that because sonic isn't going at the speed of light in-game he can't do it irl

[@ZBroly118]

But if lions only had scratch which has 40 pp then that means the lions will ALSO struggle since it’s game mechanics

[@DistractedCoder]

Struggle was taken out later. However, the lions never lived long enough to use a move 40 times.

[@ZBroly118]

@@DistractedCoder 👍🏻

[@REDscar9000]

How are they killing rock, steel, and *ghost* types with scratch???

[@z-ro1641]

@@REDscar9000because the guy has removed type advantages

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

What did you say, ​@@z-ro1641?

[@lightningstrike9876]

Mewtwo can learn both Recover and Recycle. Give it a Leppa berry at the start of the fight, and let it sweep through all one billion lions solo. The lions will never out-damage recover, even with the pauses to use Recycle, so Mewtwo just has to grind away at a billion of them.

[@Random_Enthusiast]

One word, teamwork makes DreamWork.

[@Vivacy_Editzz]

One word: Arceus

[@Random_Enthusiast]

@@Vivacy_Editzz one word: arceus ain't real

[@sanchitory]

​@@Random_Enthusiastone word, 1 billion lions ain't real

[@Random_Enthusiast]

@@sanchitory neither are pokemon 💀

[@GodzillaFreak]

Status moves have entered the chat. Ghost types have entered the chat.

[@deadlydingus1138]

Counter to the first argument: The sun in the Pokémon world is different from the one in our world.

[@DistractedCoder]

Prove it

[@danimgmd3510]

The thing is, pokemon will always have new pokemon, so at a certain point, the pokemon will win at certain point in time, once you reach it, you can never turn back

[@NoteGames380]

Why are they fighting them one on one though? Why not just surf them all. Lions can’t hide in pokeballs

[@anomymous1286]

Its not "1 billion lions in a row" its "1 billion lions"

[@enolopanr9820]

A hyper beam could kill like 50 lions

[@JotaroKujo-ip5wb]

Earthquake :

[@indiana47]

Lions are incapable of interdimensional travel, Giratina is.

[@willietowns8105]

the problem with this type of scaling is that video game pokemon are made to be more balanced due to that fact that the game makers dont want every running around with 6 mewtwos and destorying everyone and the pokemon anime is made for kids so they obviously arent gonna have the whole gang fucking die so the poke dex is really the only reliable source

[@Max_Power_]

Pokedex is the only reliable source: - Gardevoir makes a black hole to protect it's trainer, killing the trainer and destroying the whole world. - Wailord according to it's volume and density should be lighter than air floating to the atmosphere like a balloon, impossible to submerge under water. - Tyranitar's body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so Pokemons can't damage it in any way, doesn't matter that it has x4 weakness against fight type, it can't be harmed. - Trainers with Victini always win, doesn't matter against who, it's impossible to be defeated. Yeah... About the Pokedex being reliable...

[@bobydocky9641]

Name one time in the anime victini lost See the celebi movie for tyranitar Warlord is famous for his move bounce making him fly into the air And gardvoir could very well be able to make black holes heck even in real life making black holes is possible it’s just useless

[@bobydocky9641]

Wailord lol am dumb but point still stsnds

[@Max_Power_]

@@bobydocky9641 How can a black hole protect her trainer? It either destroys the whole world and the trainer with it, or it's completely useless and disintegrates instantly. Also I'm not talking about anime since it has a lot of nonsenses too and the story was originally based from the games.

[@bobydocky9641]

@@Max_Power_ even a black hole that would disintegrate instantly would be usable just a matter of how and there a theoretical size where you could disintegrate a Persians upper body or remove all air from the lungs while still not having enough mass to grow and (live?) etc. and as for the anime not making sense sure but neither do the games the only Pokémon media that even makes some sense is the tcg since it doesn’t really have lore

[@raxhanastha5310]

That gigantamax skyscraper would just crush these lions and don't even talk about the huge wall attack

[@jabezrodrigues5173]

This is sadly not pokemon vs 1 billion lions, but pokemon vs 1 billion pokemon

[@PinkGoldBeans6197]

Can't use game mechanics, by that logic 1000 plushies could beat a Nuclear missile. You gotta go by dex, anime or the manga. In any of them, the pokemon will DEMOLISH.

[@joshuafrazier3904]

Hell you could limit yourself to only game cutscene feats and still win for the Pokémon. It really says a lot that in order for lions to win in any version basically every Pokemon ability must be taken away from the Pokemon and even still the lions can still lose

[@ChunkyBoi5560]

magcargo is as hot as the sun, they just didnt want the main character of the pokemon anime to be incinerated instantly

[@DistractedCoder]

Hmm, sounds inaccurate then. Magcargo must not be as hot as the sun

[@Uncle_Piccolo]

i am 8 months late but in the pokemon anime when there is a hot pokemon they say that it doesnt hurt the ones they trust for example when ash wanted to ride ponita first he fire hurt but then the ponita trusted him and it wasnt hot anymore maybe magacrgo lowered his temprature

[@joshuafrazier3904]

@@DistractedCoderI mean there is an argument that Macargo can control its heat since we know fire types can control there flames temperatures which is why Ponyta and Rapidash can be ridden. Also if you are going to complain about the anime invalidati no the Pokédex then at least use anime feats because technically speaking if we were to exclude the anime there is nothing actually stopping the Pokédex entries from the games from being technically true. Of course this doesn’t matter cause Dialga and Palkia can reset the universe which is a game cutscene feat so it is definitely cannon!!

[@animorph17]

@@DistractedCoder Pssttt- a single lightning bolt is as hot as the sun. You have a pikachu in that same scene.

[@Mondaybomb]

The second he started saying the dex entries were exaggerated was when I knew this vid would be wrong 💀

[@hussainalaiwi9270]

Ya base stats are also stupid this fat can can't run faster than a jet

[@REDscar9000]

Some dex entries may be exaggerated a litte honestly. Either that or the pokemon worlds just built different. Yeah probably that i mean if slugma can exist and ponyta can make its flames not hurt its rider than going by dex entries dialga *ALONE* wipes the lions, hell, dialga and palkia nearly destroyed numerous universes as a *byproduct* of there battle

[@Nhusab]

How to win spam helping hand then use kyoger water sprot /any spread moves then W

[@DreepyDude]

So if i fought a billion lions with a single trevenant holding a leppa Berry, I win?

[@Y.T.STachi]

1 billion lions va God and his army of mytical beast. . .bruh

[@rest1585]

Bro wtf are they gonna do to Victini. 😂

[@notdog6642]

ONE haunter solos, hell, ANY ghost type pokemon solos, they CANNOT be hit by physical attacks. which is all the lions have in damage.

[@gamershane07]

The reason I think Pokémon would win because we got eternamax eternatus, Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon, Mega Rayquaza, Arceus, 100% form Zygarde, ultra Necrozma, Sun form Necrozma, moon form Necrozma, Yveltal, Palkia, Giratina, Dialga, thunderous, tornadus, landerous, enamorus, UNbound Hoopa. just these Pokemon could take out them

[@Goatx2899]

Easy explanation Rayquaza runs away and the lions cannot harm him meaning the Pokémon are not all dead yet and the lions will starve and be dead because science and stuff. You,sir have just been disproved

[@DistractedCoder]

Running away does not win a fight

[@bobydocky9641]

But it does restore wild legendary Pokémon to full health

[@Max_Power_]

@@bobydocky9641 Running away equals to surrender. And no, wild legendary Pokemon running away don't restore the hp.

[@bobydocky9641]

Running away doesn’t equal a surrender that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard I guess when a single soldier backs up a country gives up a war huh I guess when someone is wounded and is taken to a medic station they surrender like seriously running away isn’t a surrender Second yep my bad it’s pp regeneration thought it said

[@starmatter4429]

@@DistractedCoder what if Rayquaza attacks from the sky?

[@shadowthief6471]

0:32 primapes is now accurate that’s why annihilape exists you silly goose

[@cooltubes547]

How does the lions attack flying Pokemon? I didn’t know they could fly… The games are a dog water way to simulate this. PP, move limit, turn based attacks etc. all only exists for game balance. If you could obtain the actual legendary and mythical Pokémon in the games you’d literally be completely untouchable in every battle.

[@cooltubes547]

Rayquaza living in the upper atmosphere and even space htf are the lions going to attack it?

[@Yokalm]

Everyone be chillin until necrozma eats the sun. it isnt even a pokedex thing in lore the dimension of ultra megaopolix (I think that's the name) is our universe in size and necrozma consumed all the light in the universe including stars

[@Sp00D3Rm4N]

Bro if it was based on a game 1000 babies could beat a tank

[@SosoAndMe]

I've never seen such fax before

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

It's actually shown in game that Pokemon like Rayquaza can destroy planet wiping meteors and Pokemon like Eternatus can affect other creatures on a countrywide scale. Even more consistently, Z-moves like Continental Crush and Black Hole Eclipse show that Pokemon can survive a lot more than a mountain level attack. Plus, if we're using the anime as a debunk, then Pokemon like Gardevoir are able to summon black holes. Pokemon is a fantastical series, so throwing out all Pokedex entries as being inaccurate, just so you can use stats instead, when the games, manga and anime show how powerful Pokemon really are kinda sucks.

[@Mattyzer0]

So basically most of these pokemon are just killing themselves here.

[@thebanjoorder4446]

this is genuinely the dumbest calc i've seen for this argument any move like surf earthquake rock slide blizzard etc. would hit ALL THE LIONS as that is the nature of those moves so already even with ingame pokemon they stand no chance. edit: now that i think about it treating the lions like pokemon is already a huge buff so that means they couldn't even touch the pokemon without said buff showing this argument is pointless cause the pokemon win 1000% no matter what

[@baxieblur-turnip]

Wouldn't literally any ghost just kill everything with infinite pp? Scratch can't touch them

[@Sab0_]

All it would take is one helping hand to kyogre and then primordial sea. It hits ALL of the lions. Instant kill

[@jacksonpouland8227]

But how can the lions kill ghost types

[@traceymee1002]

what can do with steelix huh stronger than diamond and cant jiggypuf make all fall sleep huh

[@maikeru8770]

No just no If we just assume it like this then 1 earthquake does the trick Like this is very flawed if there all on the field at once earthquake hits all and there’s all 1 shot if it’s 1v1 then there all out sped I don’t know how you done this but like if you knew even slightly to do with Pokémon you’d know they win and if the lions only have scratch how the hell would they damage ghost and how the hell would they kill a shedninja like they can’t due to its ability it’ll never die unless super effective and giving them a dark type move wouldn’t be 1 billion lions anymore Like just no in every way

[@mildyCMF]

Him when he realizes arceus is literally god in the pokemon universe

[@smolwoop]

bro why is no one talking about competitive strats

[@ultra9612]

The question was already answered when wolfeyvgc posted the video about this topic

[@milkcloud.e]

if yveltal dies its over

[@ThatPillow]

Alright here's one argument and be aware I am not a mathematician, it could actually be something like 10^204 and I'm just really bad at math Over three hundred Pokemon learn helping hand, and the bonuses multiply each other for example a 100 power move boosted by 2 helping hands first gets boosted by 50% so 150 then the next boost is improving it to 225 since that's 150% of 150 So have Kyogre use water spout with the boost of that many helping hands, Water Spout is a Spread move so it will hit ALL the lions at once, and have Grafaiai use Doodle on Stonjurner so ALL Pokemon without any "special abilities" like disguise or hunger switch give 30% boost each to Kyogre, Kyogre doesn't boost themselves though. Now we can have Oranguru use Instruct to make it after Kyogre uses the steroid boosted a second time and Smeargle can copy that so it happens 3 times We can also have a Prankster Riolu set up wide guard to block priority effects, then Greninja with Mat Block to protect all Pokemon from all damaging effects and Klefki with Crafty Shield to block all non damaging effects This would basically make it at least 10^64 damage, and that doesn't include the 2 uses of Instruct, for scale 1 billion is 10^12 and the amount of DNA base pairs in the world is around 10^37, the amount of seconds that ticked down since the start of time is 10^20 To know how big 10^64 looks, a cheat is when doing 10^X write a 1 and follow it with X 0s So the damage would be a 1 followed by over 64 0s x3

[@DistractedCoder]

Wow, if this ever happens in real life, I'm electing you as leader of the Pokemon side. Definitely sounds plausible but I'm not simulating that.

[@dewdewloo]

@@DistractedCoder search up wolfeyvgc’s vid cuz this is literally his exact plan, just stolen by this dude lol

[@Emerald_rainbow]

We’ll if instead we used the anime as the reference for each Pokémons power level then I think we should all know that arceus would delete all of the lions within seconds

[@RigOfRoyalty]

Who’s saying the Pokémon HAVE to use a move, Shedinja could just wonder guard and sit there, it’s a husk of skin so it doesn’t need food nor water

[@thecoolcongle5128]

I like your logic, but I'm still on team pokemon... Flying just seems like it leaves the Lions helpless

[@RomanHawkins-re7wv]

I have a slight suspicion that in real life it might go different. But great vid!

[@OrianWAWA]

Yeah because pokemon are going to follow game rules and take turns, not to mention standing fucking still.

[@endercool1440]

Bro you forgot some Pokémon can destory earth without a scratch and that there a mode call hoards where spread atk exist where you can hit every lion in one battle

[@AG-tl8oq]

What about 1billion of every species of animal,plant, bacteria,etc to ever exist on the planet vs every pokemon that doesn't have medical powers/special abilities?!

[@MICHEALJACKSONHEEHEE-1]

Flying type Pokémon be like: let us introduce ourselves

[@justjackorwhatever]

heres my very quick answer lions most likely would behave like normaly types, boom ghost types.

[@nexusetmiaouss]

Bro changed the reality to make Pokémon win but lions are still better

[@rest1585]

Victini go brr

[@nexusetmiaouss]

@@rest1585 lions Victory goes brrrr

[@rest1585]

@@nexusetmiaouss How would they beat Victini when bro can fly, plus with would they do against Tera type shedinja.

[@rest1585]

@@nexusetmiaouss aslong as V is alive it’s literally impossible for the lions to win 😂

[@nexusetmiaouss]

@@rest1585 bro you juste Saw that every Pokémon would die no diff what are you trying to Say? Lmao

[@blumwashere]

there's like allota stuff wrong about this video, which probably explains the ratio it got, literally going by YOUR RULES with lvl 17 lions, a Pokemon with a leppa berry and recycle/harvest clowns them no diff not only would trevenent be immune since they only know scratch, they definitely can't kill it with crunch because they are so low lvl and giga drain out heals them

[@Coin1360]

-_- and you're typing with YOUR RULES. this is no different so boring

[@blumwashere]

@@Coin1360 this is literally going off his rules where abilities and items can be used, he's just not aknowledging them smh

[@justinrunde2373]

I will begin by declaring that my position is one of disgust. Disgust over the question on which this video is founded, as well as for the video in and of itself. The mere existence of this video acts as indisputable proof that God has truly abandoned us. Now, it must also be stated that the author of this malediction of a video essay has put forth quite the effort in entertaining this query of Pokemon vs Lions. The structure is sound, and the editing is at times quite comical. But I would be remiss in offering any further laurels to the cretin who manufactured this abominable piece of media. It is simply an unanswerable question on which of the two proposed competitors could win in a fight. The initial discounting of pokedex entries as well as abilities makes my case. To answer the question, one must first answer the important distinction, what is the strength of a pokemon. A question which Distracted Coder expresses through statistics taken from the games of which Pokemon frequently appear in. However, this distinction only works when applied in a world constructed by engineers of whom Distracted Coder is not among. The lack of authority on what constitutes a pokemon’s true strength translated from a fictional reality to the reality we all live within is unknowable to Distracted Coder. It cannot also be known by Distracted Coder what a lion's strength would be in the pokemon world when taking the situation in the inverse. The strength is important as it also applies to the previously mentioned Pokedex entries as well as pokemon's abilities. The entries were tossed aside in a case of prejudice. Distracted Coder showcases the pokemon animated show as evidence in the entries inaccuracy yet bases their argument in a realm outside the scope in which the show has basis. The show nor the entries hold no less basis to what makes a pokemon than the numbers used in the simulations. The lack of a presence for the entries and show do more to emphasize the impossibility of an answer than the so-called definitive conclusion come to by Distracted Coder. And while I could continue at length towards the sheer lack of credence shown to this question by Distracted Coder, it is my bearing that compels me to cease my treatise here. Allowing my mind and immortal soul no further distress wasted upon the godless senselessness employed here.

[@DistractedCoder]

TLDR - He's salty he's wrong

[@TheRedRabbit08]

@@DistractedCoder TLDR- Unfortunately he's not

[@Jman99152]

@@DistractedCoder stuuuuped

[@samykalacelle8143]

Touch grass ma dude

[@joshuafrazier3904]

Bro like I agree but are you ok

[@allenbouasri9074]

While there are definitely some flaws, this is still a very cool simulation. I really like what you made here.

[@iDonnieMH]

You do realize the pokemons have to USE their ability, its not always active. Each pokemon would be like a regular creature without using its ability.

[@Yokalm]

No matter what you say their are 4 gods that in every piece of material including the games created the universe and keep it stable. Also darkrai can scale near dialga and palkia. So that's 4 universal + Pokemon and a universal arceus

[@infinitywatch1537]

what about the pokemon that fly how does a lion kill them

[@Tarnishedarewe]

I’m just saying even if you where to take in the pokedex or put them in Pokémon like battle they still lose take for example kyorge can flood the earth or just do sweep moves like surf and other powerful deep moves

[@familyfungaming6925]

Remember this is following the games Think of Pidgeot just flying and coming down when needed Or Gengar being invisible until it wants to attack Gyarados flying while shooting hydro pump you need? How about Gigantamax Charizard burning like quite a bit of the lions Arceus is just ya know

[@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj]

Can I have the link to the simulation you used?

[@liamwillis860]

7:31 I have a strategy rooted in collaboration between Pokémon. Can you simulate this? (Copy Paste from the OBJECTION! Video) By the way, No Time Travel required because people tend to ban that anyhow. OBJECTION! Edgeworth. My arguments: Cooperation & Mewtwo’s Awakened Form, Xerneas & Leepa Berries, Limits of Arceus & Lastly The Darkest Day. I welcome any counterarguments. Pokémon would be able to strategize against the lions. Mewtwo can ‘Awaken’ into Mega Y without a trainer. This is the same Mega form that told many, many Pokémon about Dark Matter. Unlike in Super though, the Lions can’t petrify the Pokémon unless you count Mean Look, which can terrify but can’t turn anyone or anything to stone. For the PP Argument, Dialga, Celebi and Xerneas can farm Leepa Berries for the others. Arceus could also make some as needed because Arceus can create something from nothing. On that note, however, I will acknowledge that Arceus doesn’t have all 1,000 arms unless we say that more than one of every form of Unown are all allowed. Same for Eternatus if you’re into theories. Speaking of Eternatus, I won’t spoil Sword and Shield plot here but I do have something to say. Gigantamax and Climate Change. Nuff Said.

[@EmeraldBoi]

If the lions only had scratch then how did they kill the ghost Pokémon?

[@aaronwright485]

Bite and crunch

[@starmatter4429]

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[@DoofusLookingThang]

struggle damage

[@bewarebewear1507]

There are many pokemon that can defeat 1 million or more lions alone, kyogre can literally flood the earth and easily wipe them out with oranguru and smeargle alone dialga can stop time and wipe them out, and there are many pokemon that are literally just stone, steel, and poison that lions wouldnt be able to damage

[@BloodMoon-v3g]

They're forgetting abilities, and status moves. Mat Block will literally let the lions do nothing. Electric Tera Shedinja with an Air Ballon cannot be hit, even without the air balloon, as the lions don't know any ground attacks. EVEN IF you didn't these, the pokemon can still do Z-Moves. Also, why is this in singles!? I don't think the lions will be like, "Okay, so Lion#273 is up now, so I'm going to go as soon as he dies." If this wasn't (as I believe it should be), you could use multiple helping hands on a spread move (Water Spout on Kyogre), Role Plays on Charjabug and Stonejourner, which have the abilities Battery and Power Spot, and Araquanid use Entrainment, to give Kyogre the ability Water Bubble. You could then also Tera Kyogre, making the base power be (Helping Hands*1.5)*(Role Plays*1.3)*2. Then you can set up rain, you do STAB, oh, and if Prankster Riolu used Mat Block and Klefki used Crafty Shield, the lions can't touch them! (This is all coming from WolfeyVGC's video, by the way, I didn't come up with any of this except for the Tera.)

[@bobydocky9641]

Stealth rock poison spike boom lions lose seriously how can people be so oblivious to the most integral part of competitive play set up.

[@bobydocky9641]

Also shedinja lions auto lose by his mere existence under this system

[@afriendlycampfire260]

Three layer of spikes two layer of toxic spikes stealth rock any pokemon with moxie or any pokemon with high defense is gonna wipe out a lot of lions

[@z-ro1641]

I call bs because you implemented those conditions on purpose to make the lions win when we all know how Pokemon can actually win

[@underwazar7643]

This is supposed to be war, ALL Pokemon vs 1 billion lions, not just 1 Pokemon vs 1 lion and they keep getting switched out. There are moves like helping hand or lunar dance that needs a teammate. There's also Dondozo's Tatsugiri power ups. Rayquaza can easily fire a hyper beam and murder 53 lions, a Pokemon uses earthquake and damages lions near the hypocenter, Steelix would be invincible because it's harder than diamonds, some Pokemon teleport, some fly, Jirachi can wish for anything, etc. The Pokemon obviously win.